Thread 40915728

why do trannies deny the obvious sociological reasons that cause people to troon out?

such as
>marketing that implies women are beautiful and cherished objects that have inherent worth
>social failure leading to a disidentification with maleness after being rejected by boys and ignored by girls
>desire for community, having something in common with others

like is it just me but the whole female brain from childhood thing sounds like a fantasy explanation whereas the truth is most of it is just trauma to the point of identity death most likely

because admitting homophobia is real would turn women against them, and their ultimate goal is to please and submit to the women who rule society

>>40915728 (OP)
I don't think you really want to talk to people about this, you've made your mind up and just want to bitch on a 23 year old anime forum about it.

>>40915728 (OP)
Hatred of femininity drives a lot in our culture.

>>40915728 (OP)
because nome of those apply to me??

>>40915828
sure but you can't deny that most people troon out for those reasons though. i trooned out because it was simply the easiest way to make friends, feel wanted, and have a sense of belonging at the time.

t. detrooner

whatever it is I'm here for it

>>40915924
same. i'm invested in big pharma

>>40915728 (OP)
i do not, 10000% i trooned out because my mom did my makeup and showed me too much project runway. i'm not even joking, like if i didn't have almost exclusively female socialization growing up i think i for sure would just be a happy if not slightly bicurious guy

>>40915878
>most
>but I detransitioned
...
Doubt many share your way of thinking, I lost all my friends, I feel undesirable now and feel like I belong nowhere, but when I had all of that I wasn't happy, so throwing it all away was easy if it meant my mind would be finally clear.

>>40915728 (OP)
no I just have AGP, this only applies to trenders

>>40915972
there are more detrooners who think like me than you'd think. they don't publically declare their detransition, they just stop taking hormones, change their online personas, and frequent new social circles as if nothing ever happened.

i'm willing to bet more than half of transphobic stuff online is from detrooners who grew bored and disillusioned with being trans and just decided to attack them for fun

Because Blanchard's etiology is a far more persuasive explanation but admittedly from the ages of 9 onward I did think of the reasons you provided as explaining why I wanted to be a girl, it was just that I hadn't discovered AGP yet

>>40916269
>i should attack my past self
what? just because you went through something means you get to shit all over people in a similar situation? even if i take you at your word you're still a piece of crap. go fuck yourself
>>40915878
what? if anything i've faced more social rejection than ever before
>>40915756
homophobia? i'm bisexual and mostly interested in cis and trans woman, maybe the occasional theyfab or ftm, even twinks sometimes, but i mostly prefer woman and spent most of my life being known as straight and not facing homophobia. you're all retarded. fuck each and every last one of you ignorant trolls

>>40915728 (OP)
>marketing that implies women are beautiful and cherished objects that have inherent worth
I always thought guys were cooler, I'm just not one.
>social failure leading to a disidentification with maleness after being rejected by boys and ignored by girls
I had a friend group, dated, went to parties
>desire for community, having something in common with others
I never sought out lgbt community beyond having some friends that liked to go to gay bars.

>>40916357
>if anything i've faced more social rejection than ever before
over time being trans does begin to feel that way, but you officially came out of the closet when you were surrounded by people who validated you for being trans. you're totally full of shit if you deny it.

once everyone either silently quits or ACKs themselves the only thing left in your life is the social rejection

>>40915728 (OP)
This is basically just like saying only losers transition because it gives them an opportunity to press the reset button on their self esteem along with a new identity but transitioning is hard and takes a lot of conviction something losers typically don't have.

>>40916448
>but transitioning is hard and takes a lot of conviction something losers typically don't have
it's not hard at all. it's just as easy as saying "i'm a girl" and then changing your pronouns on social media. most trannies have never touched hormones

>>40916436
you know nothing about me bitch. who validated jack shit? my friends who left me or my family who still calls me their son? you're moving the goal posts, too. first you were saying i'm trans because it's fun and validating for attention now you're saying being trans sucks and i should just kill myself. you're full of shit and just a HATEFUL person. fuck you

>>40915728 (OP)
>marketing that implies women are beautiful and cherished objects that have inherent worth
Marketing or biology? All male animals will sacrifice themselves for pussy

>>40916503
Doubt that's true it wouldn't give you any relief in real life so what would even be the point.

>>40916503
that isn't transitioning and they aren't actually trannies

>>40916510
i'm saying being trans is fun as fuck. it's euphoric like a drug in fact.

just like a drug the high is temporary and before you know it you're living under a bridge forgotten about by society

>>40916540
>it wouldn't give you any relief in real life
wut? the validation is the relief. you don't need to actually medically transition
>>40916565
why not? you don't need hormones to be trans

>>40915728 (OP)
wen are beautiful, its not "marketing". identofication with malenes in its current incarnation is result of trauma as its heavily enforced. having "identity" or "ego" itself is pathological. there are only thoughts and feelings. identity stuff is prison for mind.
>>40916448
very true. its downrigjt frightening thimg oitside of woke bubbles.
>>40915970
lucky you hehe. most would be beet red from shame from truing make up and likes.

>>40916448
Well they're overwhelmingly deemed losers.

>marketing that implies women are beautiful and cherished objects that have inherent worth

And it's not really that, but the idea that being a woman is the only way people will accept your feminine traits, the only way people will accept you having emotions.

>>40916357
>>40916510
The thing with anti-trans people (mostly led by women*cough cough*) is that they're so deeply dug in with their beliefs that men should be unfeeling monsters, and the way they rank the value of men.

>>40916574
>it's euphoric like a drug in fact.
what? wearing clothes in different shapes and colors is an addictive drug? or bioidentical estradiol, a human hormone that occurs naturally in both men and women, is the drug, despite not being intoxicating? and society forgets about me under a bridge or afrirms and validates me? which is it? you're fucking retarded

>>40916867
i'm saying the validation is like a drug. sitting in a discord having people encourage you and engage with you intimately is an amazing feeling. you can COPE all you'd like but that's undeniably why and how you trooned out. you didn't troon out by walking up to your dad, saying you're a girl, and saying you want to grow tits

>>40915728 (OP)
Huh? I don't. Sucks to be a guy, etc.
Trooning is just like the solution so I don't see why it's bad?

>>40915728 (OP)
>>desire for community, having something in common with others
Desire for community.... In 1% of the population.....? It's not like it's a giant community... You could easily gain more community by going to church or being a Marvel fanboy.

>>40915818
i really do though, i dont deny that some people have gender dysphoria from birth, but when you go to a gaming convention and half the attendees are wearing thigh high socks and amazon miniskirts i have to say the lady doth protest too much

>>40915728 (OP)
>>40915756
Most obvious samefag of all time

>>40917119
that 1% of the population is special in that the trans community has no standards or gatekeeping so anyone can feel welcomed. every other community has some form of gatekeeping whether they admit it or not.

>>40915972
thats cool i had no friends, was an unlovable incel and i thought well transitioning cant make things any worse than they already are, and i was right, trooning out made me friends and got me sex, it was a unconvential status upgrade. ofc the flaw in this plan is i dont actually feel like a woman and i am some kind of bisexual incel skinwalking femininity to feel like a real human but i guess my point is that theres many reasons someone might troon out and people are very very very defensive about these reasons

>>40916801
>beet red from shame
i never learned to be ashamed of it until i was like 11. Went from a very pretty young girl to a weirdly small male nerd through a single haircut the weekend before picture day

>>40917088
it promotes homophobia and misandry

>>40917119
i dont want community with old people in a church or a bunch of bearded 30 year olds who watch marvel movies i want to have sex with goth bitches and snort ketamine instead of being an incel loser

>>40917232
how is it homophobic for someone simply to choose not to be gay?

>>40917200
yeah most people troon out because they see it as a social status upgrade. that's undeniable.

if you're an incel chud who gets zero (0) validation then trooning out to get friends and a sex life just makes perfect sense

>>40917190
That doesn't really matter if the community you're accessing only exists online and during pride month in certain big cities. Otherwise you are interacting with it online, which is about as much "community" as the average Discord server or subreddit.

>>40917245
because being gay isn't a choice

>>40917237
Where, pray tell, does one find these so called "goth bitches"? Asking for a friend

>>40916574
its hilarious to see people still in denial over this. people DO transition because being trans is seen as being fun. go look at the kind of timeline propaganda is out there if you dont believe me, the average one is like "yeah i was a depressed nerdy loser but then i took hrt and now im a goth bad bitch that does drugs and parties every weekend with my puppygirl friends/polycule"

>>40917338
a straight cis man would castrate himself and grow boobs so that he can do drugs with other trannies?
I find this hard to believe.

>>40917357
they could just be bisexual or porn addicted or both.

also you underestimate the desperate lengths someone will go to to be seen when they feel invisible

>>40915728 (OP)
Why? Because they would lose the social capital they need to abuse children and animals.

>>40917384
porn addiction would cause a straight cis man to want to self-castrate?
why?
if he wants attention why not just do steroids or something?

>>40917289
but not all gay people are gender dysphoric, which is also not a choice

>>40915728 (OP)
>why do trannies deny [random bullshit I find plausible with no evidence]

>>40917394
i never said anything about straight cis men, but if they are agp it could happen.

steroids is just another side of the same coin, some people go that route. but steroids just dont have the same addictive pull that taking on a whole new identity and community does.

>>40915728 (OP)
>the truth is most of it is just trauma to the point of identity death most likely
unironically coming to this conclusion for myself in therapy, it's not even conversion therapy, it's just therapy
Ah well, too late now, kinda like how I am now, I will find my way back to my core self in this altered body. My body has been altered before by disease, by wounds, by training, it's ok that it was altered in my process of self discovery. I do quite like it how it is now and I don't wanna stop hrt

>>40915728 (OP)
Take yer pills faggot

>>40919527
yeah, you are what you do, definitely not your feelings. who is more trans, a john 50 who had dysphoria since he was 3 or an agp coomer who troons out for fun and becomes a passoid. trannies will never answer this simple question

>>40919527
What OP is extra retarded about is that he doesn’t know that identity death and reformulation is a normal, periodic part of development. They typically happen after major life changes, and the person having the crisis learns more about their actual values and feelings and grows/changes.

>>40919681
If what you do is constantly at odds with your feelings, even unconsciously, then you will fuck yourself up. Repping does nothing but damage.

>>40916686
yes you do

>>40917338
>having fun w/ it is le bad o algo

>>40917072
>you didn't troon out by walking up to your dad, saying you're a girl, and saying you want to grow tits
no i trooned out by taking estrogen, something which my dad told me to stop when he found put
>sitting in a discord having people encourage you and engage with you intimately is an amazing feeling. you can COPE all you'd like but that's undeniably why and how you trooned out.
discord didn't troon me out, reading the Wikipedia article on virilization, then other medical information about the physical and mental effects of estradiol did. i told no one except for my close friends/roommates

>>40917172
this guy has been shitting up the board for the past few days
>homophobia exists!
>that's bad
>yeah fuck women
>???

I want to troon out but I do think more scrutiny would be good, some trannies seem very happy in their skin and for others it seems to fix nothing and I think that's something very important to look at.

>>40917172
>>40921001
the second one is obviously just gincel newfriends

>>40915878
>i trooned out because it was simply the easiest way to make friends, feel wanted, and have a sense of belonging at the time.
You're insane and retarded.

>>40917190
this is true in most churches too. you can just go no matter who you are and participate in your community. it might skew a bit old but everywhere has a lax liberal church and a catholic parish these days

>>40921278
Nta, those libchurch social gatherings are dead and dying precisely because they're for zero stakes. People actually want martyrdom and zealotry when lonely and seeking social affirmation, it's just more interesting and compelling.

OP's biggest error is that the trans community isn't a free for all for acceptance, it has a rigid cast of boogeymen along with excommunication for specific wrongthink.

>>40915728 (OP)
>marketing that implies women are beautiful and cherished objects that have inherent worth

Only because of pussy and womb. Trans women won't ever feel this acceptance

>>40916436

>the social rejection

There is life after high school anon. And you will retransition.

>>40915728 (OP)
No one wants to be trans Op. Most of us only choose it because we recognize we were sauntering towards suicide. Idk many trans women who even consider themselves women (even tho they think other trans women are). Which means we went into this knowing we werent going to get the "cherished object, community, acceptance" or any other prize at the end.

Instead of the bs you said,, its way more like u have played a videogame to death and u are done with it so u start fucking around before u quit

>>40917072
first part yup, very true...

>>40915728 (OP)
i think 4chins would be a lot better if the average user had some amount of life experience and perspective
>marketing that implies women are beautiful and cherished objects that have inherent worth
doesn't apply to trannies, nobody transitions because of this
>social failure leading to a disidentification with maleness after being rejected by boys and ignored by girls
okay then why did i transition despite being a fuckboy who always had his dick wet pre-transition? hmmmmmm, maybe it's the dysphoria after all
>desire for community, having something in common with others
????? people lose their families over transitioning. this is seriously the dumbest one

>>40919706
Assuming you even understand the nature of your repping.

>>40915878
> i trooned out because it was simply the easiest way to make friends, feel wanted, and have a sense of belonging at the time
so why did you detroon if transitioning gave you all those things.

Most honest conversation about being a tranny I've ever seen. Not to say the ones glazing it were lying. Just that there's always this idea that any criticism or allusions that it's not super cereal identity awareness is wrongthink or transphobic, so no one is allowed to be genuinely honest.

>>40915728 (OP)
>the obvious sociological reasons that cause people to troon out?
my niggy there's plenty of trannies that were chad, getting their d wet and bitches lusting all over them that still had to tran it up
>marketing that implies women are beautiful and cherished objects that have inherent worth
>social failure leading to a disidentification with maleness after being rejected by boys and ignored by girls
>desire for community, having something in common with others
I'm getting hit by all three and had my shit pushed in, life-wise, yet I still didn't tran and have no desire to, and if anything, got a healthy amount of AAP.