Thread 40926074

people who claim to experience gender dysphoria are all lying

>>40926074 (OP)
Idk i feel dysphoria over my hair legs and deep man voice and over analyze my hibs and rib cage among other things

>>40926131
its ok to be hairy and male boned

>>40926074 (OP)
Who cares. I'll just shape my body as I please and let them do the same, even if their explanation for it were bogus.

nah you know what ill say it. he isnt trans

>>40926156
Just cause it’s okay doesn’t mean i like it fucker

>>40926074 (OP)
pov trutrans goes outside

>>40926074 (OP)
Nothing will anger more than the fact that this piece of shit transitioned right as he was being outed for being a sex pest during the metoo era, but because he came out during the era where trans-related people could do no wrong, him being a sexually perverted weirdo got swept under the rug.

If it had been a couple more years he would have ended up like Kris Tyson and faded into irrelevance. Instead we're stuck with this freakshow being a public representation of the trans community. Why Hontra never released the Toob files I will never know.

>>40926332
>right as he was being outed for being a sex pest
link?

>>40926074 (OP)
this trannie is absolutly the worst case of AGP i have ever seen holy fuck

>>40926074 (OP)
philosophytube and contrapoints suck reason #100000

>>40926074 (OP)
she’s an mi6 op

>>40926074 (OP)
I don’t like people who use it as a magic word when it literally just means bad feeling about your gender, which obviously exists and can logically develop at any time your life depending on your thoughts and outlook. Like anything else. Some kids are scared of clowns the first time they see one, some people become scared of clowns as adults after a certain experience. Reddithons want it so desperately to be some kind of ambiguous brain tumor that gives you the trans passport so they say they were born that way but it’s just not true.

>>40926298
you don't like it because others don't want you to accept yourself

>>40926074 (OP)
this was retarded but still toob won

>>40926074 (OP)
shit troll but she's half right we don't need a diagnosis to do what we want with our bodies, it's just that she's going the opposite direction to another extreme by handwaving away the very real underlying mechanisms that drive that desire

>>40926400
dysphoria is more rooted in the structures of the brain than your typical phobia, it’s like having adhd

>>40926074 (OP)
>um actually the trans stands for transhumanism, you don't even need a medical reason just change yourself into unrecognizable alien forms
Real humans will eventually kill and eradicate transhumanists for attempting to become a different species. Wouldn't be the first hominid we've erased either.

>>40926441
dysphoria is caused by unfair social conditions for the gender non conforming, but its easier to blame things people don't understand and aren't as controversial

>>40926346
none whatsoever
its just a fantasy in the heads of hontra stans

>>40926441
It’s not tho. That’s convenient honscience. They can’t even find any differences pre-adolescence

>>40926406
You chatting frl

>>40926457
most of the medical literature disagrees with you but i know that wont change your ways because people still say the same type of thing about every disorder under the sun

>>40926526
>medical literature
>says don’t eat the egg yolk for decades

>>40926526
appeals to authority are logically fallacious, the strength of your argument should be what proves it, not how important the people who believe in it are, or how widely they agree upon it

>>40926374
Contra live in your head rent free

>>40926599
studies are population surveys not ‘authorities’ stop trolling

>>40926654
you believe in the surveys because you believe in the authority of those conducting them, not because they are statistically well considered or the evidence is strong and causal

>>40926654
>survey study
nta but a survey of the socially conditioned would be the least likely experiment to provide evidence of social conditioning. How would they even be able to kno?

>I dont experience this
>therefore, no one does
actual symptom of autism

>>40926680
>Trust me I feel the love of Jesus Christ everywhere. That means god exists baka

>>40926435
The problem here is that readers are equating the phenomena of dysphoria (as experienced) and the medical diagnosis of dysphoria, her talking about the latter in this case.

>>40926709
So shes denying the existence of a medical diagnosis? That makes no sense, obviously the diagnosis exists in the system. No, she’s denying what is being diagnosed(ie gender dysphoria).

>>40926734
She's denying the validity of the diagnosis in its current form. In her view, the diagnostic criteria and the underlying assumptions used to develop them are rooted in poor science, and to be fair, a lot of it is heavily reliant on naked gender essentialism, sexist reductionism and transphobia.

>>40926709
saying the word medical doesn't make you right

>>40926776
>in her view
Nothing of what you say is even hinted at in her post. The analogy she made was to phlogiston, a false explanation to fire. So gender dysphoria is the false explanation of transitioning according to her analogy. Nothing about diagnostic criteria. Trying to twist her denial of the existence of gd into an affirmation is the type of mental gymnastics that belong in apologia of ancient religious texts whereby flat earth means round earth etc


Just to clarify, Im not saying shes correct.

>>40926457
absolute fking liar

>>40926457
>unfair social conditions for the gender non conforming
Name a modern day example in western countries

>>40926817
It can be inferred from the reference to "unreliable data" and "disgraced cis doctors" (Zucker etc.) if the reader is familiar with the history of trans medicine and the critiques thereof.

>>40926891
feminine men are hated everywhere

>>40926946
We're living in the literal golden age for effeminate onions metro libbed out males. Even flamers are tolerated even though flaming is an objectively negative quality.

>>40926939
I am and can guarantee toob is not. She shows no hint of having read any trans scientific literature. This disinterest on her part needs explaining. It is IMO the biggest sign of her insincerity. Abigail seems little more than a character from her skits

>>40927004
t. not a flamer and speaking for others
>even though flaming is an objectively negative quality.
see this is what I mean

>>40927105
>see this is what I mean
And? Did you know that being an aggressive ass is endemic to straight males and yet society frowns on it because it's almost exclusively a negative?

>>40927135
its ok to be aggressive when defending yourself as a flamer
I will not submit to toxic heteronormative shills lke u

>>40927162
>heteronormative
Bro imagine your flamer mannerisms on a cis woman for a second and ask yourself if society at large would accept or even reward her. The answer is no, most people would find that bitch annoying as shit.
Flaming being unpopular isn't an assault on your gender, it's an assault on your bad behaviors.

>>40927189
some people are intersex

>>40927327
Ok, and? Would flaming be somehow more tolerable on someone intersex? Don't you see how stupid that all sounds?

>>40927345
yeah, cuz you are comparing them to women, they aren't women, they are in between men and women, that's why we act the way we do
your objection to flaming is that it's behaviorally different from how women sound...

>>40927753
>they are in between men and women, that's why we act the way we do
No, how you act has no bearing on gender because it's annoying when presented in any gender.
You don't experience gender trauma, you're just an annoying cunt.

kys gincel

>>40926074 (OP)
>someone didn't have my experience so that means its FAKE!!!
this sounds an awful lot like the rhetoric of rightoids

>>40926624
this is the first time I've thought about her since she was brought up last time, what lives rent free in my head is my loving boyfriend who I can't stop thinking about how I'm gonna snugggle him up when he gets back from work

>>40926074 (OP)
Gender dysphoria, gender identity disorder, dual role transvestism... The label and the specifics of the definition don't matter. It's the same issue no matter what you call it. What matters is that you call it something so that it can be distinguished from everything else. 2 words are all you need to understand why:
Medically necessary

If being trans = gender dysphoria is a medical condition, then it's illegal to discriminate against trans people. Most other possible discrimination falls under sex discrimination which is also illegal and taken very seriously
If being trans isn't a medical condition, they certainly won't let anyone buy DANGEROUS EXPERIMENTAL HORMONE DRUGS for it. If being trans is a personal choice and not taking anything for it is valid, why should normal people be forced to bow down to the woke mob and deny reality?

>>40928067
>rightoids
Wtf is “toid” and where did it come from?
Right and retard put together would be rightard,but toid?

Millennial cringe slop.

>>40926450
>Real humans will eventually kill and eradicate transhumanists for attempting to become a different species.
imagine being so low iq you throw away your chance at ascension for no reason

>>40926321
literally me hahahah

>>40929979
You think you're going to edit out human imperfections and become divine, but you don't understand that imperfection is the only doorway to the divine. What you're aiming to create instead is the ultimate sterility - a completely controlled life with nothing you ever have to adapt and rise to.
And yes, normal people will collectively murder you once the transhumanist element becomes undeniable.

>>40930023
>a completely controlled life with nothing you ever have to adapt and rise to.
humans can't adapt and rise to shit right now, we're limited as fuck

>And yes, normal people will collectively murder you once the transhumanist element becomes undeniable.
only because they lack access and are jealous

>>40930177
>humans can't adapt and rise to shit right now, we're limited as fuck
They absolutely can and are, you just have a skill issue.
Also lol at
>ok well I can't even handle minor setbacks in my personal life without having a melt over how I must remake the universe to undo suffering
>only because they lack access and are jealous
Compared to trannies, normies have multiples more access and opportunity to do transhumanism, in that they definitionally control more wealth and more say over laws.

Another fun fact about transhumanists is that a lot of its adhere to are useful idiots who can't reason their way out of their own paper bags.

>>40926074 (OP)
People who claim to know more than traine professionals are full of shit

>>40926332
>Why Hontra never released the Toob files I will never know
pretty much every youtuber and certainly every tranny youtuber has skeletons in their closet. and trannies in general really

>>40930232
>They absolutely can and are,
tell that to the 6'3 gigahon repper who wants to be a cis woman, or the cripple who can't walk
>you just have a skill issue.
okay. i have a skill issue which is preventing me from attaining the things i want, so how do i solve it?

>>40930549
>the sum totality of all adversity and struggle, and all meaning possibly achievable from it, is being a 6'3" gigahon
>also casually compare it to being unable to walk
You've never had any real adversity in your life.
>i have a skill issue which is preventing me from attaining the things i want, so how do i solve it?
Accept those things that are unattainable and derive meaning from the limitation.
Bonus, wilfully accept selective limitation even in some cases where you could attain them.

>>40930823
>You've never had any real adversity in your life.
says the one who is content enough with their life and doesn't want to change anything difficult to change
>Accept those things that are unattainable and derive meaning from the limitation.
>just make up copes for why being unable to adapt and rise is actually a good thing
i can't tell if you're a repper or not

>>40930864
>i can't tell if you're a repper or not
>has the opportunity to consider any possible discrepancy between reality and human will, any at all
>once again centers trannydom

>says the one who is content enough with their life and doesn't want to change anything difficult to change
There are plenty of difficult things I've changed in my life. The difference is I don't want to eliminate all struggle from my life or preclude even the possibility for unplanned suffering from humans generally. Because doing so lessens them, makes them brittle, makes them inhuman.

>>40926074 (OP)
you are lying about believing that people who claim to have gender dysphoria are all lying so checkmate faggot

>xitter screencap

>>40930904
>>once again centers trannydom
you're on /tttt/ going on about stoicism struggle and acceptance
>There are plenty of difficult things I've changed in my life.
name the hardest things then

>>40930973
>name the hardest things then
Drug addiction, financial independence afterward
>you're on /tttt/ going on about stoicism struggle and acceptance
So? You're on /tttt/ going on about utopian transhumanism and ending human suffering

>>40931006
>Drug addiction,
and what kept you motivated to get clean?
>financial independence afterward
anything else? there's got to be harder things than money that you've wanted and attained
>So? You're on /tttt/ going on about utopian transhumanism and ending human suffering
my point is that reppers say the same stuff you're saying as a cope

>>40926074 (OP)
toob is a grapist

>>40931124
>my point is that reppers say the same stuff you're saying as a cope
Except I'm not replying, these are things that normal people say about the things in their life. Contrast with
>I hate X so much I'm going to remake humans as perfect creations in my mind so I don't encounter X again
>and what kept you motivated to get clean?
Having something to run from and something to run to.
>there's got to be harder things than money that you've wanted and attained
It's not about the money, it's about food and shelter stability within a certain level of confidence. And yes, if a black swan event happens I can accept it.

>>40931192
*repping

>>40931192
>and something to run to.
and how is this different from transitioning or transhumanism? they're both things to run to
>It's not about the money, it's about food and shelter stability within a certain level of confidence.
>it's not about the money, it's about things that money can easily buy
what about some of the harder things you've accomplished that are not solely obtained by money?

>>40931237
>and how is this different from transitioning or transhumanism? they're both things to run to
There's difference in scope, for one. Being not-a-drug-addict is the baseline human experience. Being a drug addict is also a choice, made by me, and not something that was dealt to me.
There's also the difference in magnitude. By pushing to eliminate my drug addiction, I'm not pushing to eliminate all possible negative things that might ever happen to me.

You can help disambiguate clearly: if you had a button which would eliminate all possibility of unexpected potentially-negative events from happening to you, ever, would you press it? If so, you're pushing for a degree of change that's so far off the scale of "self-improvement good" that it might as well be on Mars. But you know that.

>>40926074 (OP)
You're lying actually.

>>40931473
>and not something that was dealt to me.
and you seem to have little problem with anything dealt to you. you've accepted your place in life because you are content with your own limitations.
you talk a lot about limit breaking and struggle yet you so far have not given a single thing that you strive for

>if you had a button which would eliminate all possibility of unexpected potentially-negative events from happening to you, ever, would you press it?
we're looking at this from different perspectives. the button i am talking about is the one that opens up potential beyond what is currently possible, and of course i would press that

>>40926321
WTF how did you get into my head??

>>40926236
Baffling how this is so hard for some people to accept. The dude is straight up standing there saying it over and over himself.

>>40926428
>toob won
>lives in the yookay
I'd hate to see your idea of losing

>>40926332
And it was literally the same day or the day after SOPHIE died, right?

>>40926074 (OP)
"Gender Dysphoria" isn't an actual thing. It's literally just what feeling bad about your gender is called... like, you go to the gender doctor because your gender hurts and he diagnoses you with hurty gender.
It's all retarded, trans is fake and gay and I'm sick of it.

>>40926074 (OP)
>>40926441
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>>40926435
this is why we need to bring back polymaths tbqh

>>40934738
Haha. The doctors are like sure take these pills so you don't kill yourself

>>40926406
this line of thinking makes no sense. if society is responsible for the dysphoria then it's responsible for being trans. it's not and my aesthetics are mostly independent of society. I'm dysphoric because I don't look how I wish to look and the difference is large enough and essentially unchangeable that the severe body image problem makes me depressed and hate myself. I would feel the same even if I grew up isolated from everyone.

>>40935229
trannies don't actually kill themselves; if they did studies about tranny suicide would focus on completion rate

>>40934738
trans is fake, and not gay enough.

>>40936167
what about hsts?

>>40929978
Just “oid”—lurk more