Thread 40928661

HRT: A placebo. My short story.

HRT does not work if you had a puburty prior to it. You need a weak or no puburty occuance for HRT to function as intended. The bonepill is the ultimate blackpill and there is no way with current medicine or surgery to change such circumstances.

Christcucks want you to not pass or get early hrt or even know its an option because one of the fundamentals of Christianity is the concept of sin. What better way to depict sin than have ideological opponents look less than normal you can imbue with all the negativity of "sin" (icarus and such).

Thanks for coming to my ted talk.

>>40928661 (OP)
I have no idea who the hell you are but you remind me of Chijo pre-meth

>>40928661 (OP)
This is false. If you dont pass with HRT it’s because you are faketrans and your body was never made to be anything other than male. You can surgerymaxx to get around that but it’s swimming against the current

>>40928661 (OP)
i should stop!, i should, uhhhh stop!!!!,

>>40928661 (OP)
>Thanks for coming to my ted talk.
YOU STOLE MY RANTING LINE!!

>>40928661 (OP)
Don't care, show butthole

It worked since you are way prettier than a guy and I would be your boyfriend

>>40928677
not true.

>>40928717
i have a boyfriend

>>40928749
Did I ask?

>>40928730
no offense but you look like a kroger ass woman

>>40928775
i have an idea. you fight my boyfriend for my entertainment. then you die after he cracks your skull with his elbow. afterwards i get so aroused i make out with him while hes covered in your blood.

I was feeling bad today, I manmode for many reasons, and I could tell some people were staring at my chest and smirking, then I realized it's part of my transition and that really made me happy, just knowing I am doing something to not die an old man makes me feel great.

>>40928805
damn you a FREAK freak

>>40928791
no offense but idk who the fuck you are.

>>40928661 (OP)
Not this thread again.

OP Keeps spamming

OP is man with broad shoulders.

You uggers and racist. can't fix one and not the other too it seems
cuteness is available to angels like picrel even in their old age

cutiepies are just angels in the world of trannies
they are the opposite of ogres. it is ogre for OP.

>>40928880
>>40928872
This is so creepy. Are you Indian?

>>40928880
kek. who is this ugly man named nicolas lang?

those eyes. those fucking eyes. it was over from day one.

>>40928922
bruh you give serial killer vibes

35 years old and sweet enough to seduce even teenagers

Such sweetness will never be known by racist ogres.

>>40928661 (OP)
can you get a tripcode already so I can filter your posts?

>>40928934
KEK
NOOOOOOOO
WHAT ARE YOU DOING NIGGER LOLOL

>>40928934
so she’s a pedophile but you’re shitting on Olive for being racist? kek

racism is a cope for mediocrity

imma confess
OP is the kinda of man who makes the duck face and thinks he a woman.

This is the level of delusion.

Thread needs to die.

>>40928661 (OP)
You trying to mutate your body to deceive those around you into thinking you're the other sex is not a "depiction" by anyone other than yourself. Blaming your own decisions on Christianity is a bitter cope. I'd rather you feel blessed in the form God made you in than to suffer from "not passing" like that benefits me or my agenda in any way.

>>40928940
he used to name fag as ogre, but now thats over.

>>40928979
would jizz on this face

>>40928973
god is a sadistic nigger

>>40928661 (OP)
Lets all gather round and take advice about the placebo effect from someone who can't spell puberty or occurrence on a website with a built in spell-check.

>>40928934
kat is just as creepy as you
you deserve each other xD
imagine simping for a pedo tranny

>>40928951
she took a babe for a ride. babe was younger but old enough to look after herself. shows the appeal of the one and only katz

>>40928999
wtf she’s 100 times worse than Olive
pedophiles deserve the rope

>>40928985
He's an unquenchable fire but he still gave his only son to validate you despite your imperfections. Your transitioning techniques will never validate you better than that. There's no need for it.

>>40928979
did Oliver detransition?

>>40929008
any red blooded guy would go for that ass. kids sexy af

>>40928999
so she’s a groomer

See a therapist

>>40929028
No he's just spamming the tttt board

>>40929012
god is sadistic and uncaring. tell me how children with cancer is a valid test of faith and not some saw level of sadism and psycopathy.

I want to facefuck you until you puke on my dick that's how pretty you are

Wow, can’t believe the concern troll that attacks Olive for supposedly being racist is obsessed with a pedophile racist junkie, Kat. I’m so shocked, I tell ya.

>>40928661 (OP)
Not this thread again


Here's how the OP look if he wasn't racist pig with huge racist bones.

>>40929055
I know Kat in real life and she is a chill lefty. Its people here that don't understand her. She'll suck bbc and come here and act edgy.

>>40929049
Is your transitioning actually about curing pediatric cancer?

>>40929102
who’s this creepy Indian that wants to skinwalk kat?

>>40928661 (OP)
I started in my late 30s and have had good results. It's a crapshot

>>40929881
god favors the good

>>40929933
This looks like a greasy crossdresser.

>>40929941
made dicks hard even before transitioning

>>40929933
>>40929963
kys

>>40929963
Yeah for faggots like you.

>>40929933
Mask ain't helping.

>>40929933
male skeleton

>>40929933
>wider neck and shoulders than (nonexistent) hips
it’s okay to be gay, anon

>>40929941
>>40930039
>>40929967
>>40930093
>>40930152
>>40930202

Those
eyes
not mirrors,
but storms that pull the soul off balance,
a flame disguised in softness, where reason falters and breath forgets its rhythm.

No man escapes
damn her!
caught in that sparkling shimmer,
stripped of guard and will alike,
longing only
to be seen,
inside
*those*
eyes.

>>40929941
>>40929967
>>40930039
>>40930093
>>40930152
>>40930202
lmao hard coping

>>40930482
Just be beautiful and every

ogrehon is going to be wishing you dead. this applies for the copers above and especially for the OP.

Is it over for me? (16 months hrt, began at 22, was attractive and manly prior, built like a triangle and lean)

>>40928661 (OP)
You DESPERATELY need to have your butt used as a cum storage unit for a man, so you can STAY THE FUCK out of 4chan with ur whining and unhappiness

>>40930698
yes

>>40930509
waow she's so pretty good for her

>>40930698
take the pink pills, drop a couple hundred thou on that face, you could be a cutie anon.

>>40928661 (OP)
I agree with the second statement but you just got delt a bad hand. I remember when I was in the military, most of the guys (50 person if I'm being honest) looked attractive and could probably pass if they wanted to. There was a guy who wanted to troon and he had the largest brow ridge, widest sholders, and ugliest prey eyes known to man. God just decided to fuck him over the most. I'm assuming the same goes for you.

>>40928661 (OP)
>Christcucks want you to not pass or get early hrt or even know its an option because one of the fundamentals of Christianity is the concept of sin.
Addendum: atheists and agnostics want you to not get early HRT because prepubescent children can't give informed consent for cross sex hormones, and doctors can't proxy consent for them.

>>40928661 (OP)
>Christcucks want you to not pass or get early hrt or even know its an option because one of the fundamentals of Christianity is the concept of sin. What better way to depict sin than have ideological opponents look less than normal you can imbue with all the negativity of "sin" (icarus and such).

Why even write out such an obvious lie? Whether you like it or not childhood transition is a red line and normal people, no need for conspiracy theories.

>>40931005
normal people would gleefully give their child treatment for cancer even with the knowledge the treatment has an inherent and serious risk even if it is effective. The only reasons why tranny shit is different is because of abrahamic religion. in countries where abrahamics have no serious influence over politics or the zeitgeist, people do not feel so strongly about childhood transition.

Its hard to theorize this as a westerner.

The functions and appearances of mental and neurological illness in the east is much different. In eastern countries schizophrenics internal voices are more playful and humerous. In the west theyre more judgmental and insidious.

>>40931137
Nta. Untreated cancer is a guaranteed death sentence.
Postponing transition until you're an adult maybe makes you an uggo, with a chance of Big Sad. Which is a cosmetic issue and a therapy series, respectively.
Not the same things, thanks for playing.

Galatians 3:28

>>40931155
I mean, if your pretty sure about it I don't see why you should put someone through that for no reason. Kids do dumb shit but some trannies figure it out very early, might as well make life better for them.

>>40931155
>wont confront the rest of it

cancer is not a garunteed death sentence. your body defeats cancer on its own several times a year. the only time it doesnt is when the cancer cells can metastasize without the immune system knowing or responding fast enough.

quality of life for late transitioners is substantially lower.

>>40931199
>>40931155
>>40931137
are you people insane? Is this what Israel's *cough cough.. our* tax money is paying for?

>>40931155
also
>cosmetic issue

no, its a bottomless money pit and impossible logistic conundrum. you cannot change bones with any medicine or surgery this century.

>>40931213
The whole point of going before puberty is because bone growth is dependent on hormones you absolute mongoloid. If pre-pubescent transitioning diden't have massive benefits like that then no one in their right mind would argue for it due to the risk of kids being dumb, but it does, so the risks may be justified.

>>40931206
all abrahamics are jews. im agnostic. no abrahamic god is seemingly a good entity. i dont ascribe to a good 80-90% of the judeo christian drivel. the best and nearly only concise thing abrahamics has produced is the rough concepts around the golden rule.

>>40931213
>you cannot change bones with any medicine or surgery this century.
clavicle reductions, rib remodelling, every procedure in ffs basically

>>40931226
trooning out gave me a hell of a lot more faith in christ because it showed me how much we all need saving because people fucking suck

>>40931222
nigger. that's a fair bit more than "cosmetic". the few things that can make miniscule changes to the overall damage that a testosterone based puberty can do to the ability for a trans feminine person to pass as feminine are more often than not locked behind tens of thousands of dollars. A substantial and demanding ask for a group who is persecuted to an extent as great as slaves or genocide victims by religious cucks for daring to exist.

>>40931190
Most people don't believe alternative sexuality is real, they think being a fag is a failing and something their kid can grow out of, not something that is a destiny so they should make it easier and better for the kid. Only the most liberal and enlightened parents will ever agree to sterilize their own kid into a genetic dead end. You will never, ever win this argument among broader society.

>>40931247
Yeah, that's why I said youth transitioning is probably a good idea if you can make sure they won't grow out of it. It seems like most youngshits are happy, so I think they got pretty good at filtering and this whole argument is just retards telling doctors how to do their jobs.

>>40928887
i thought this anglefrauding huckster's name was john?

>>40928979
and ogre it is

>>40931199
Diagnosed cancer is almost certainly a death sentence if untreated.
>wont confront the rest of it
What, the christfag shit? Irrelevant because the nonreligious exceptions stand on their own.
>>40931190
The reason is because you can't sufficiently predict who will stay trans vs detrans or desist
>97% retention rate
Even if we ignore the glaring survey issues and assume it's true, 3% MOE is too wide for peoppe to accept the risk. Acceptable MOE is probably 0.01% or 0.001%.
>but that means society values cis kids more than trans kids!
Yes.
>>40931213
Tell that to large boned cis women.
At the end of the day the childhood transition debate boils doen to lookism and whinging about lookism. There's no altering that. It's not about suicide deaths because the data doesn't bear it out. And so all that's left is
>but I'll look ugly

>>40931254
Well yeah, I would be uncomfortable transitioning a kid I had to raise too and I literally am a tranny. The real solution to all of this is to stop treating nonpassers like shit, so what if the bones are too big some guys are into that.

>>40931232
clavicle reduction is 30-60k, no insurance covers it in any country, and only takes about 2-4cm in an area with average difference between sexes being about 4-6 cm
rib remodeling doesnt change depth of thoracic or width of upper thoracic, again, not covered by any insurance, costing mid 5 figures.
ffss changes only about 25% of the skulls features. the cranial vault is insanely dimorphic, the jaw and midface aswell and the ability to reshape them is limited. once again, rarely covered by insurance. only like a dozen or so western countries cover it and its mostly private insurances.

transition past puberty is a luck/money game.

>>40931262
97% retention rate is fine. 3% chance you end up unnecessarily sterile (if your not already gay) and taught a harsh lesson. That's fine.

>>40931266
retard they dont need to be treated like shit to be incredibly dysphoric and have crippling suicidal tier depression.

im a late transitioner (21). most people are nice to me, i look sorta feminine outside 19 inch shoulders and being almost 6'1. i however notice this anytime im in public for longer than 10 minutes.

>>40931279
>97% retention rate is fine
The public disagrees. On other issues involving future reproductive health and childhood consent (minus circumcision), the medical field disagrees.
You can say 97% is fine, but you also can't read the room for shit so your opinion goes in the dumpster

>>40931262
joint replacements have a satisfaction rate of only about 60-70%.

uh oh......

>>40931285
Well, too bad? I am fine with trooning out kids to avoid this exact situation but like, inevitably a bunch of trannies are always going to figure it out too late and be screwed that's just how it is.

>>40931288
weird. some of the most influential surguries and treatments in society such as organ replacements have substantially lower satisfaction rates......

methinks its just an ideological threshold...... influenced by........ religion.....

>>40928661 (OP)
i dont think what sin is or how does affect the human soul. sin is an open wound, that can only be treated by love, not HRT. love is what a lot of you niggas need

>>40931290
Joint replacements are a treatment of last resort for midlife or geriatric mobility, and yes they're terrible which is why lots of doctors recommend not getting them even if you have a mobility issue. Which is also not the same as an unverifiable-diagnosis involving the future of minors' reproductive function.
You're going to have a while room full of these little straw men before long. You'd think after a while you'd update the talking points once it became clear they were losing you support, not winning you support.

>>40931299
so where is the compassion? someone in thsi very thread made the copes that theres all these surguries for people in my situation. i work a nice job with good insurance. they cover almost nothing that matters to passing socially. its literally only tits if you got no tit growth, and one round of ffs.

>>40931300
Most organ replacements are like cancer diagnoses. Youll die without them. Not the same thing as childhood transition, revisit >>40931155 and don't reply back until you can spontaneously increase your brain cell count.

>>40931288
The public can think whatever the fuck they want it doesn't make it right. The medical field seems ok with a cautious approach to youth transition.

You just need the public to agree with you because your an idiot who doesn't have a real reason, sort of like the anti nuclear weirdos and the other assorted trogolodytes god gave us so we learn to overcome additional challenges.

>>40931308
we? nigga there is no we. youre a concern trolling tourist. no geniunely trans person here on this shithole is anti child transition unless theyre a retarded agp living out their fetish part time or no time. fuck. even if youre on hormones i doubt anyone fucking knows because your cum stained chair has a permanent fucking imprint of your ass.

>>40931315
quality of life is quality of life. its easier to intervene early than try to change societies opinions on gender fucks. what makes people most uncomfortable about tranny shit is non passers flat out.

>>40931312
Compassion for what? Your dumbass fantasy of being an eternal 12 year old? Earn your own money and spend it on cosmetic enhancements like everyone else. If you can't blend in socially it isn't because of your bones.

>>40931312
There isn't enough compassion, that's my point. It is something that would very much help late transitioners that is currently in short supply. I know not passing is always going to be shit but the last thing we need is for it to be a visible political statement or seen as being a freak by half the population, its just unfortunate that you couldn't do it earlier and your genes diden't work out that's all.

>>40931338
sorry for wanting to look fucking mid as a female instead of mid as a gender fuck hulk.

i guess im just incrediblely selfish.

>>40931338
>>40931340

Exhibit A for someone exhibiting the behaviors I think make it worse.

>>40931338
whats funny is obese people who are addicted to food can get way more coverage for their issues than a tranny can in the west. you csn willfully be fat and get diabetes and the establishment will enable you the whole time. you can incur more cost than trannies ever can, but its ok because you cant put a fork down.

>>40931349
38 is a shitheel.
40 is less so and more just showing an attempt at pity.

>>40931346
It's alright, your a reasonable nice person its everyone being unreasonable.

>>40931368
40 was me, I am trying to use them as an example and comfort them at the same time which I think is just coming off as condescending which I diden't intend

>>40931316
>it doesn't make it right
What objective risk criterion would you weigh against broken reproductive function from dubious consent given while being <13?
The medical community generally expects the payoff to be at or very close to "you were going to die and now you're not."
That's not what childhood transition does, measurably. Once again, what it does is prevent uggos and prevent traumadumping over being an uggo.That's not a good enough tradeoff based on the medical profession's own standards.
>40931318
> no geniunely trans person here on this shithole is anti child transition
Guess that rules out a load of trips here for being not-really-trans.
>nigga there is no we
Probably because there is no "we" in my post.
If you're going to do the whole "I'm big mad I'll insult you now" thing can you at least be interesting?
>40931323
>quality of life is quality of life
See above. You're advocating destroying reproductive function based on often prepubescent consent to prevent being ugly and being sad about being ugly. It's nowhere near a tradeoff that evidence-based medicine supports.

>>40931398
yawnnnnn

>>40931398
I think I probably have GD, its not a nice feeling. Infertility is a bad side effect, but hell a 3% chance of getting it wrong in exchange for guaranteed turning out pretty good? I would take that in a heartbeat and for people who suffer it worse than me would benefit even more.

Much like how your shitty attitude trannies is unnecessarily compounding their suffering, non-passoids get all the bullying and they already hate themselves, that's not a good way to treat people.

>>40931407
>hey can you actually defend your positions instead of appeals to christfags?
>>pbbbbtbtbtbtbtbt
And you act surprised when the gender clinics are closing. Sucks to suck IG.

>>40931411
>I think I probably have GD
Ok. Wait until you're 18. You can't? Why not? Are you literally going to sudoku? Extremely unlikely given the data we have. So what's the reason you can't wait, and why does it justify that 3% being likely incapable of orgasm for their entire adult lives so you could take titty skittles 3 or 4 years early?
At least lookists and uggos have an argument to contend with. The whole
>well I have dysphoria so that's enough
bit is even worse.

>>40931428
Yeh I am probably gonna go for it pretty soon. I've always been dumb as a box of rocks when it comes to my own emotions and mine diden't develop until early teenager so I never would have transitioned that early anyways.

Still, a lot of these people get it real strong real early. That can be a great thing if you with it and give them awesome results, at that age you pass very well, at my age its a roll of the dice.

The benifits are passing are twofold

1: You feel better internally (GD weirdness)

2: People like (you) don't notice a difference from cissies so you get to live an easier life.

>>40931438
>Yeh I am probably gonna go for it pretty soon
Well you're posting here, so you surely must be 18 already, in which case it's a moot point.
>1: You feel better internally (GD weirdness)
>2: People like (you) don't notice a difference from cissies so you get to live an easier life.
Yes, aka lookism and lookism trauma, both of which are again insufficient to outweigh childhood consent issues.

>>40931468
>Here is a thing that would be good for people
>No, because of this rigid rule I am applying

Kids can't really consent but if its sufficiently obvious it would do good I think its fine. Your not pragmatic enough and kind of dumb.

>>40931476
>this rigid rule I am applying
It's not my rule, it's the medical ethicists' rules, weighed by reasoned argument and comparative practice.
But you're right, if you don't like that rule we can just toss it out and replace it with that old law of the jungle, public opinion.

>>40931416
where did i ever appeal to Christians?????
im literally the OP. i literally have beef with the infection of Christian ideology into every facet of western life.

are you stupid? like not as an insult, are you deficient?

>>40931486
They do transition kids though, that is a thing done by the medical community. In europe it seems like they have reverted to a higher level of caution but they never outright ban it like they do here because that would be stupid.

>>40931492
>literally have beef with the infection of Christian ideology into every facet of western life.
Yes, that's the appeal.
>people don't like this because dumb religion and any possible push back to it is because dumb religion
>clearly thats not the case because XYZ
>nuh uh
Can you stop being ESL as well? Thanks.

>>40931505
Like, its always a state legislature banning it never an actual medical board lol

>>40931428
3% isnt much.

>>40931515
Europe is more secular

>>40931522
>>40931506
I think they got confused by the bible verse I posted. I guess I am a little religious and I like using that because there is VERY LITTLE in the bible to justify this kind of hatred.

>>40931505
>that is a thing done by the medical community
In a narrow window of time, against evidence, and against their own comparative ethical standards. Which is an indictment of the US medical community, not some banner to wrap them in.
>bans are stupid
If you have a medical body flagrantly violating their own ethical standards and increasingly out of step with international research, don't be surprised when governments take action. I dont even agree with the ban, but it's the most unsurprising thing in the last 2 years imaginable.
>>40931518
>3% isn't much
>translation: I will personally accept 100 orgasmless kids if it will allow me to take hormones 4 years earlier
Like if that's what you really think, just say it. Own it. But don't be surprised when normies take notice.

>>40931540
why are you so obsessed with kids orgasms my good nigga?

>>40931556
Definitionally, I'm "obsessed" with future adult orgasms.
Do you think this tactic actually works, BTW?
>hey this tradeoff I'm pushing for in which kids get sterilized makes me look like shit
>uhh why are you so obsessed with kids genitals you weirdo

>>40931556
not all the desistors are going to end up unable to orgasm anyways, it is a terribly possibility but infrequent.

I think this guy is too dumb to realize that the media loves to take an uncommon event and scare the shit out of everyone with it, kids with bad enough GD to need treatment are rare as shit to begin with in a sane world this anon would only know about it from a "Believe it or not!" book he picks up at the airport.

>>40931577
>infrequent
The most favorable rates for you put it at 30%. So for 3% that desist or detrans, 1% are desistors or detrans that lose orgasm. So instead of 100 hypothetical people affected, it's 30. Do you think that helps your case?

>>40931599
Sure, I guess it sucks.

But think, how the fuck does a kid even end up in a doctors office for gender dysphoria? Then you need a few years of therapy for doing anything, and that's how you get a 97% satisfaction rate.

Like seriously it sucks that you get it wrong for 1 in 100 and they can't orgasm anymore, you end up with 97 very happy adult trannies. This is not fucking rocket science that is a good ratio its not like anyone kills themselves over not being able to jizz.

>>40931611
It's a good ratio if what you're gaining is deaths avoided.
It's a bad ratio if what you're gaining is cosmetic and baseline therapy improvements.
Again, you're trading infertility in people so that you can have more favorable rolls on not looking ugly. That's it, that's the game.

Let's pause for a second to ask, do you think that's actually defensible to anybody who isn't trans?

>its not like anyone kills themselves over not being able to jizz.
Funny considering they also measurably don't kill themselves over inability to transition until 18.

>>40931574
nigger you mentioned specifically kids orgasms multiple times

>>40931651
Do you think repeating the tactic is suddenly going to make it magically work?
Do you think you're still in the 2010s or something?

>>40931639
>hurr good luck explaining that to the public
The public can believe whatever the fuck they want, this argument is about if you are I or correct, not if my opinion is palletable to some retarded soccer mom who isn't even on board with the gays yet.

And yes, I think 97 passing trannies outweighs one lost ability to orgasm.

>>40931639
yawn

>>40931658
Especially considering how the public will treat you:

>Oooh the evil doctors with a trans agenda made you unable to orgasm? ohh I feel so bad for you!!!!!

vs no youth transition for 97 people:

>GET AWAY FROM ME RAPEHON YOU HAVE A MALE SKELETON 41% NOW

at least that's how it is in the news

>>40931658
but eem you didnt think about how sad that 1 person will be. their sadness is greater than 100 times the happiness of the passing functional trannies thooooo

>>40931684
Plus they aren't a tranny so they have a value multiplier so its like 1000x greater in adjusted value, wow good point I am convinced

>>40931658
>this argument is about if you are I or correct
Well you've already rejected the medical fields own standards as "just some rigid rules", so we're already out in the weeds on determining some objective correctness. And in the absence of an objective criteria, the public opinion becomes the dominant pragmatic force.
>And yes, I think 97 passing trannies outweighs one lost ability to orgasm.
At least you say it. Good luck though.
>>40931671
Revisit >>40931262
>>but that means society values cis kids more than trans kids!
>Yes.

>>40931692
now youre getting it!

cis people are more valuable than trans people! green line MUST go up and trannies dont make it go up as fast so obviously they shouldnt be allowed to transition before they grow into big burly males and have male privileges afforded to them to make green line go BRRRRR

>>40931695
I am fine if the FDA doesn't want to approve trans kid treatments or whatever leave the fucking legislature out of it they will always get it wrong.

>>40931695
this isnt some debate bro. youre a stupid breadtube watching faggot who thinks if you dance around the same point for 2 hours you win.

>>40931708
Yeah, I don't care what the public thinks I care what is right. MAYBE the trans kid stuff is too new to be approved under standard procedure, fine that's just how it is.

No one actually asked for the fucking state legislatures to ban it wholesale for no good reason.

>>40931708
>this isnt some debate bro.
Then why are you feeding (You)s?
If there's nothing to hash out and things are going oh so well for you on matters of policy, then I guess your day is free.
>>40931703
It wouldn't surprise me if that happened before 28.

>>40931732
When medical professionals urge caution I am not even mad, they know what they are doing. They almost never argue for a complete ban because that would be stupid, it shows promise.

I am feeding (you)'s because idk, I care about this? You kind of just wandered in here and told us what our people need, you wanted a debate and you got one.

>>40931732
Also
https://le.utah.gov/AgencyRP/reportingDetail.jsp?rid=636

>>40931741
Unless you're also >>40931708, the (You) question wasn't aimed at you.
>>40931756
Yeah, I've seen it, and it will feed into the final HHS report.

>>40931765
They seemed positive towards it, which convinced me. I used to think it was something you had to do when your older but like, mixed with my personal experience and that big ass things conclusions I recently came to the conclusion that it is a good way to do things.

>>40931769
too bad im wrong because public opinion says so LOL

Nigger I am a nuclear bitch, considering public opinion in any way useful is an insult.

>>40928671
Yeah I know it's probably placebo but it's honestly the only thing that makes me feel like I'm doing something to alleviate gender dysphoria. It's kind of either that or keep self harming as I see my life tear apart, and I'm honestly tired of being a danger to myself and a bother to people around me because my mentally ill brain is telling me to suffer everyday for not being born a woman.

>>40928661 (OP)
wow the last time i used this website was almost 5 years ago and i remember you posting incel shit then. in the time since so much has changed for me. i got married, graduated, started my career, got ffs. and you are still here investing so much of your time and energy into the attention span of other incel trannies. not to mention shit like lenso ai exists now and you still havent taken the hint.

let it go

>>40931844
i dont understand?
ive done most of those things too

>>40931848
what dont u understand? sorry

>>40931853
when did i ever post incel shit?

>>40931859
>>40928661 (OP)

>>40931864
thsts not incel shit???
im not an incel so nothing i post is incel shit.