Thread 40939224

That's literally it. This is the question. I'm a transgender man and I don't know if gay dudes would actually like me in the same way I like them.

Though honestly I kind of doubt it, being a transgender man sucks sometimes because most time whilst trying to find a relationship it's always just a guy wanting to fetishize you. I've been getting desperate at this point, all I want is an actual relationship.

>>40939224 (OP)
you don't want to date the gay dudes that like you

>>40939224 (OP)
Gay men are sexually attracted to trans men who can pass as cis men. I met my husband and made sure we connected first as cis men, then when I decided I actually wanted to bang him I fished for if he could handle T dick or not, when I determined it wasn't a dealbreaker I let him know my situation, we banged and have been together ever since

>>40939263
I'm not a woman dressing like a man. I just used to be a woman because I was born as one, it was completely out of my control. I'm not sure if you're transphobic towards transmascs or not but seriously just stop.

Why not trying your luck with women?

As a BI man I think it's possible for sure
I've found some trans men attractive for their masculinity especially if they're hairy and a bit chubb

>>40939314
I'm not attracted to women, I've always been attracted to men.

>>40939308
>I can't help refusing to accept that gay men are gay

>>40939316
So do you see trans men as male?

>>40939324
Then why make yourself unappealing to them?

>>40939338
Listen, there's a huge difference between being a transgender man, and being a woman. I USED to be a woman, I live my life as a man. Cisgender women life their lives as women. You're either completely stupid or confused.

>>40939355
Wdym?/gen

>>40939347
That's hard to say
I definitely want to and I feel like I could but I definitely need to talk to more trans men first

>>40939371
gay men don't want to date women, sorry

>>40939412
Dude, seriously. Just stop calling me a woman, if I'm not misgendering you then why are you doing it to me? I wasn't being rude, I was just asking a question in the first place. I'm not a woman, I was one at a point but I no longer am.

>>40939464
have you ever been on 4chan before

>>40939464
you can "misgender" me all you like, it won't make you a man, or make gay men interested in your female body

>>40939380
Someone who looks like a pubescent soi with a beard and a vagina scares away those who like penis and those who like the female form by almost an equal measure.

>>40939404
Y'know what? Fair, I pat you on the back for being sincere with me when you don't stand to benefit from it. I hope you run into people who are that honest with you. It's easy for me to see trans men as male since I am one and was one of those boy since birth, everyone accepted me, and medically transitioned successfully as soon as possible cases. When I was young the images circulating of trans men were as masculine as possible, because the novelty was look how dramatic of a change someone can make to their body, but now most representation is saturated with men who look like women as much as possible because modern novelty is look how much someone can look like a woman and still insist they are male

In a world that's vitriocally transphobic just the willingness to see past the mockery and attempt to understand our existence as sincere is appreciated

>>40939504
What's a soi?/gen

>>40939524
being trans is homophobic
telling gay men they need to sleep with women is homophobic

>>40939531
I never said that Gay men have to sleep with people they don't want to. It's fine if a gay man doesn't like me since I have a vulva, I don't really care. What I am looking for is a gay man who would be interested in me regardless of my genitalia and birth gender, a genuine relationship is what I want where it doesn't matter what I have between my legs.

>>40939525
A living basedjak

>>40939525
Someone who looks like a living soijak

>>40939562
Just as you have your preferences and requirements, most gay men do too; in this case, a penis. So you can't simply ask someone to love you "no matter what's between your legs," because you don't do that either. Unfortunately, very few men who don't have a fetish or some other mental issue will want you. So if you're really desperate but don't want to detransition, you can try adopting a middle-of-the-road look that allows you to feel more or less comfortable while not being disgusting to other men, something more tomboiysh or butchesque

I'm currently with a FtM but i am bisexual

I just hate women

Been together with my boyfriend (ftm) for almost 5 years and I'm planning on buying a ring soon. Lots of communication and lots of love. Never known or thought of him as anything other than a man.

also sex is peak

>>40939942
But are you gay?

>>40939525
this has to be larp lmaooo

>>40939562
You have to stop engaging with the trolls.

>>40939525
please leave this website. itll be good for you. and i mean this genuinely

You guys think you know what it's like "to be a man"?

Fucking hilarious.

Being a man is not a homogenous principle except solely to describe people with a penis. Otherwise it's just a sociocultural concept. It changes depending on the society and culture. Even masculine and feminine is just an arbitrary grouping of traits that changes depending on social and cultural values. Which is ironic that you intentionally avoid being socially treated like a man - as society truly treats them... Even marking yourself as different to malign men when the chance of you being tarred with the same brush arises, or a man actually with a penis does something you disagree with.

But hey, you want to get surgery or take hormones, that's your choice. It doesn't really change anything. Doesn't matter either way. But you'll never be a man because you'll never have a penis.. at least not in your lifetime.

When technology finally catches up and you can truly "become a man" it's going to be amusing when you realize I was right and you wasted your life on a truly pointless endeavor to realize you are still you and having a dick changes nothing because what you really want is validation. Unless you want to father children, having a penis means dick. It means as little as those titties you cut off or that uterus you dug out. It's just meat.

Enjoy your fetish and cosmetic surgery addiction. Cause that's all trans is.

>>40939989
You're right and I hope he listens to you

>>40939224 (OP)
just date a bi chaser poonbro it's not worth it real gays don't want us

>>40939380
>/gen

>>40939224 (OP)
A quick look at this board shows a disproportionate number of straight men that are only “gay” for pooners saying the magic words to keep you around while plotting to forcibly impregnate and detrans you. Tbh if you haven’t had a hysto dating a cis man at all is playing with fire.

>>40939496
You're not a gay man. You're a straight woman pretending to be gay for clout and internet TERF points.

Yes I would love to cuddle an ftm.

>>40939224 (OP)

No they All Veiw pooners as Women

Especially the Ones That say they dont. Smart chasers Grift For more pussy. But its A Lie at the End Of the Day.

>>40940002

you type like the navy seals copypasta bro. this is embarrassing

>>40940828
holy shit now that you've said that I can't unsee it, the brainworms did him dirty

>>40939224 (OP)
idk if this is a troll but turn back now dude. this board sucks for ftms, i can tell youre either young or tumblry by your mannerisms and assumptions everyone here jokes about rape and racism and 70% of discussion about trans men is about how theyre actually all stupid women specially if theyre gay trans men. to answer your question its possible but the reality is that when you tell someone youre trans they are most likely to inmediately try to imagine you as a woman and it sometimes sticks as the way they see you for life. being trans is a nightmare when it comes to dating so all advice i can give you is guys are able to lie to you and tell you they see you as men and you need to try to tell them apart from the ones who genuinely like you as a guy. good luck.

>>40939371
you sound like an exasperatingly obnoxious tiktok pooner and i am willing to bet testosterone has never touched your body, and if it has then it's completely useless in your case

>>40939525
get off this board bro this place is not for you. you need thicker skin.

>>40939224 (OP)
I'm bi and I am attracted to the same sort of poonies as I am cis boys.

>>40941117

So, women ?

>>40939338
Motte and bailey

>>40941142
Yes but the irony of pooners is that the most malebrained thing an effeminate small dicked manlet can do is develop a MEF fetish and become a femboy, so the real valid FtMs are those ones.

>>40939224 (OP)
I would not want a gay man as an ftm. All gay men who approach me want me to get pregnant.
I don't have culturally anything common with gay men. Id rather date a bisexual.

>>40939308
Your the one being homophobic and trying to invade homosexual safe spaces ugh. I can’t stand people with such low self-awareness… cringeeee

>>40939868
Nothing about this is true.. Don't listen to this guy cause he has no idea what it is to live as trans. Never detrans. I have not been a single for longer than few days ever since I transitioned. Men love me :3
>t.ftm

>>40939478
The answer is obviously no

Op is a thin skinned bitch who has a lot of growing up to do

>>40941552
Homosexual safe space = dark rooms and other deviant std rave holes, circle jerk masturbation gang

Don't worry, you can keep them

>>40939978
I think it’s a child idk how they discovered this place but they need to leave

>>40939970
They didn’t answer hehe

>>40940828
I thought he sounded cool. Navy seal copypasta is an icon. New copypasta???

>>40941641
New copypasta

>>40939224 (OP)
No because you are a woman lol go back to posting yaoi on twitter

>>40939224 (OP)
Why are you going after gay dudes if youre female

>>40942187
Cause he's not a female didn't you read the thread?

>>40942201
my mistake he’s a real gay boi

I love passing poons
>t.gay

yeah, gay men loving dating women

I'm not a gay man but I have many friends who are.
I'd say that only about like... 20% of gay men would have being trans as a hard exclusion criteria. You will definitely have to work harder than most men to fit the beauty standards for gay men tho. But if you hit them, your options should be pretty broad.
Lift, be like that one tiktok/onlyfans twink Noah. Get big, most men will not care and a certain % will be REALLY excited to be with a boy with your anatomy. If you like bottoming you're on gravy lane and will have basically free success with circuit gay so long as you're built.

>>40942764
oh also you probably won't have any luck at all before top surgery with anyone other than chasers so get that immediately if you haven't already

>>40939224 (OP)
Yes. But only if you look like a man. Though most guys might not want anything to do with your cooch
>t. ex gay guy

>>40942775
trans men always look female in 3d

ftms are only attractive when they pass as cute teen twinks

>>40939224 (OP)
ew, lady parts. no stinky vagina for me thx.

>>40939371
you don't even pass. if you have wide hips, you'll never pass.

>>40942781
They always look male to me (I can only see in 2d)

>>40942829
being trans is like experiencing the world through a monocular at all times

>>40939224 (OP)
do you like your pussy eaten

>>40942784
Thats how most of them pass.

Sexual orientation has more to do with genitals than people give it credit. Especially for men. So I doubt it.

Like all the straight chasers willing to fuck an FTM for having a pussy, gay men are the opposite. They will specifically lose attraction because of that pussy. You can blur the lines a bit romantically as that's not genital related, but sex by and large is genital related.

So gay men might accept you as a male, but they'll specifically avoid sex with you because you lack the primary attribute of why they have sex with men.

If you truly want to fuck gay men, your only hope is to claim the men who you fuck you are gay. But then that's just what you're telling yourself, not what they are telling themselves, which you can never change.

>>40943038
I personally know two hard g g a y men who have a kink for trans men since they view them as natural-born bottoms who magically never have to clean out

>>40943092
Whatever novelties they use to justify the fact they're cool with pussy doesn't change that they are sexually attracted to it. Thus, bi.

>>40939224 (OP)
No gay men don't like FTMs and lesbians don't like MTFs. Not really that hard to understand is it? You're the opposite of what they want.
As an FTM you'd literally have more luck dating lesbians than gay men and I know quite a few FTMs doing exactly that.
Don't know why this stuff is so hard for some of you people to understand.

>>40943137
>Spergfaggotry means im heckin RIGHT!!!

>>40943138
You are wrong!!!!

>>40942764
>>40942769
That's basically it, only worthwhile reply in this thread, most gay men want to eventually bottom, and most want the real dick with aids and not a dildo, but past that its just about being good looking and passing well
>>40939224 (OP)
>most time whilst trying to find a relationship it's always just a guy wanting to fetishize you
You need to be more specific here, if mean most of the time guys there are down to fuck you only see you as a sex novelty but woudn't want to have a relationship with you? this tends to be true even for cis gays though lmao

gay men are generally more polite than dykes, but i can assure you the vast majority of gay men would not be into a ftm

why buy diet coke when you can get the real thing?

>>40939224 (OP)
I am a gay man who fell in love with a stealth FtM and kept loving him (and finding him extremely attractive) after finding out. Not a chaser. Never been interested in FtMs otherwise. Probably the most intense crush of my entire fucking life honestly. And I am a misogynist

So yes there is hope.

>>40944289
>gay men are generally more polite than dykes.

Why you lie? Its the opposite

>>40939224 (OP)
>Do gay guys actually like ftm's?
no
gay men like males
>but le female to male, see its in the name
you will never be a male

>>40939308
>but seriously just stop.
take your own advice.
hopefully you havent destroyed your body yet

>>40939371
>. I USED to be a woman
true but you are and always will be a female.

>>40939371
oh btw you type like a woman

>>40945388
>>40945404
>>40945409
anons are stinky today

>>40945419
Thats sexy

>>40945422
all me btw

>>40945422
Its the same gaycel hag imo

>>40945435
STINKY

thumbnail is cute

>>40945443
not as stinky as foid gash

>>40945575
you are just a little bit stinky

Not really no. I like dicks. If we dated I'd probably want some dick on the side

>>40945575
My pussy smells like heaven :3

>>40945691
This is why its better to date straight and bi men poons. Also you are less likely to get stds from them

>>40941152
Similar claims that capture the general gist of the points being made are not the same as a motte and bailey. Both the motte and the bailey, in this case, share meaningfully relevant properties; that is, that gay guys don't want anything sexually to do with ftms because ftms aren't what they are attracted to.

>>40939224 (OP)
FTMs are hot imo, but I really do not like pussy even a little bit. If I were to do anything with an FTM I wouldn’t want to interact with his genitals at all (strap on only) which is just selfish. Not to mention that my distaste for his genitals would probably make him super dysphoric.

I don’t think I could do it in good conscience. Even just telling someone this would be super hurtful. I would never admit this anywhere but here.

>>40939224 (OP)
>it's always just a guy wanting to fetishize you

People are nothing but fetishes to begin with. When you stop being so naive you notice that you really don't have a choice what role you have. Women are only objects to men. Men are only objects to women.

You'll always be a feminine person compared to the cis men you're around, no matter what. So in the eyes of men and women, by the rules established by women themselves even, that means it will always be your role to be the one being penetrated, act submissive, act weak, and degrade yourself and display inferiority. And that's not "fetishize" that's just the fucking law in the community.

So fucking grow up and accept that.

>>40946117
As a trans man it makes me happy that you hate my genitals and would never want anything to do with them and would want me to use some kind of prosthetic sexually. Thank you for sharing that, it means a lot to me that you can see me the way I see myself. Hope you have the best day

>>40946303
>by the rules established by women themselves even
I am not a woman so I don't care

>>40946480
trans men are women

>>40946488
Well I'm not

>>40946010
>still motte and baileys
holy shit

yeah i think ftms are cool
i'm a bottom though so i'm not sure if a relationship would be viable. ftms are mostly all bottoms too right?

Pooners are rapemeat

>>40946497
then grow a penis

>>40946555
Grow a tumor (benign)

>>40939224 (OP)
lmao, no.

>>40939224 (OP)
When someone fucks you it will be because they wanted a vagina, not because they saw you as a man

>>40939298
This is an exception rather than the rule. Gay men are attracted to masculine bodies, behaviors, hormones and attitudes. Looking like a man often isn't enough, you have to have been born an actual man.

>>40939224 (OP)
The short answer is no, OP. Straight men would be attracted to you because you're a chick, at least if you hadn't mutilated yourself to look like a guy. I'm not really sure where that leaves you - probably in the same loveless barren wasteland between sexes as most of T. Men won't love you because you don't look like a woman, women won't love you because you're not a man, gays won't love you because you're not a man... its not great on prospects.

>>40946771
I have a masculine body, behavior, hormones and attitude, and was born an actual guy. Being trans isn't a costume or larp, I'm male. Gay cis men are sexually attracted to trans men who pass as hot cis men, and some gay men are willing to sleep with trans men even though they have a T dick instead of a cis dick

>>40946504
>ftms are mostly all bottoms too right?

They don't have a choice, do they?

>>40946872
gay trans men are women, you can only claim to look or act male online since nobody can prove otherwise

>>40946968
>you can only claim (..) online since nobody can prove otherwise
This is true of every statement in this thread

>>40946872
Only the ugliest and most degenerate bisexual men you'll ever meet will like you. Gay pretty boys and chads don't need or want people in your condition.

>>40946968
It's very out of touch too. Because any cis man in this person's shoes would only be seen as a woman too lol

>>40939224 (OP)
I'm bi and I like androgynous women that look like emo guys.

FtM are such silly things.
Imagine a 5'4" creature walks into the gym bathroom and greets you, complaining about how long it took you to use the machines, and you just overpower him and make him carry your babies in his womb lol

>>40946931
they can't work a strap or something?

>>40947028
bros talking to himself

>>40939224 (OP)
it depends a lot, if a guy is gay because of sexual desire, you're out of luck, if it's a bisexual guy or someone who doesn't really care about sex in a relationship, you'll probably be fine.

>>40946504
>>40946931
Plenty of gay ftms top, I don't know how you could think otherwise considering the massive market of straps specifically made for ftms

>>40940843
All of this. Decent guys who like you exist but you're going to have to sift through a lot of shit before you find them.
Also it would do you good to stop being so hyperfocused on getting a cis GAY man to fuck you. So many gay ftms do this and I get that its a validation thing, but excluding bisexual men from your dating pool is honestly shooting yourself in the foot when youre trans.

>>40942936
Only when they are like 18-21 and only if they haven't blasted T for too long. Ftms always age into something horrific

>>40947928
Yeah. As a trans person you gotta accept reality and deal with what you got. The gay gold star lifestyle is not for you. But your life isn’t over. Find other ways to enjoy it

>>40946872
>I'm a surgeon!

>>40948843
i never watched the show but wasn't he actually a surgeon

>>40947028
Good thing I love degenerates

>>40939224 (OP)
Short answer? Yes I do
Long answer? I do if we share similar interests and you're cool.

>>40948884
At that point they were a pathologist.

>>40947841
>considering the massive market of straps specifically made for ftms
im sure a lot of people assume straight ftms use those mostly

>>40939224 (OP)
I'm bi and I like FTM boys. I remember a I had times where a FTM twunk hit on me twice

>>40948063
Ftms don't age. Neoteny keeps them looking young forever

Why do FtMs get so fucking mad and insinuate you're this or that when you tell them that you see them as men, but you like biocock capable of shooting sperm and the lack of that is a dealbreaker?

I'm on E and if a straight guy told me "uhhh sorry I really want a vagina" I'd be like "ok" and move on. There's no shortage of them and you can't change your sexuality. Some people care about genitals and I feel like that's reasonable since that's what most people use to have sex?

>>40952432
having a cock is more important to being a man than having a vagina is to a woman so they need the extra validation

>>40939224 (OP)
no, but bi dudes do

>>40952448
Mtf cope. You cannot be a women with a penis but you can always be breedable twink with a vagina.

>>40952432
Most troons get angry when you say to them that their penis makes them disgusting so i dunno. Maybe people don't like to be judged by their genitals

>>40946117
Tbdesu i'd maybe be fine being a stone top. No sucking my tdick though would be disappointing

>>40952694
>Most troons get angry when you say to them that their penis makes them disgusting so i dunno. Maybe people don't like to be judged by their genitals
It's hardly a judgement to say "not interested" and most people would think it's understandable? Would a cishet man be offended a lesbian didn't want to fuck him because he had a dick? (If yes, that's on him! He's not entitled to sex from anyone!) Would a straight trans woman be offended a woman didn't want to fuck him because he had a dick? Same thing. Having a vagina as an FtM is the same thing, you're not morally righteous for it, you're just up your own ass.

>>40952694
>Most troons get angry when you say to them that their penis makes them disgusting so i dunno. Maybe people don't like to be judged by their genitals
It's hardly a judgement to say "not interested" and most people would think it's understandable? Would a cishet man be offended a lesbian didn't want to fuck him because he had a dick? (If yes, that's on him! He's not entitled to sex from anyone!) Would a straight trans woman be offended a cis woman didn't want to fuck him because he had a dick? It's the same thing! Having a vagina (or even a non-bio-dick) as an FtM is the same thing, you're not morally righteous for it, you're just up your own ass. Nobody owes you shit and it's ok for someone to not want to fuck you purely because of your genitals.

Thinking "most people are agnostic to genitals" because you are is super femalebrained and shows poor theory of mind and entitlement (malebrained).

>>40946771
>masculine behaviors and attitudes.
Most ftms don’t have this. It’s so annoying the “safe space” crap most trans people are coming from you get the weakest pussyshit men that don’t know how to talk to other men.

>>40942769
EEEW
THE FUCKING SAUSAGE?
NO
FUCKING POONS
JESUS CHRIST

>>40953126
Cis het men are often very offended of ledbians not wanting them. They even rape lesbians to "correct" their sexuality.
You have no idea what you are talking about

>>40955316
>Cis het men are often very offended of ledbians not wanting them.
That's my point! Those who are offended are misogynistic and entitled and that offense shouldn't be dignified! If you're acting like someone else is in the wrong for not wanting to sleep with you, you're basically in the same boat.
>But men rape lesbians!
Sometimes, a lot of the time they don't. They're akin to the ones who don't. Still kind of shitty people!

I'm gonna lay it out straight

A lot of us gays will tell you nice things you want to hear because we are usually very empathic for women especially but trust me when I say we are not big on pussy. We'll see you through that lens always. Anybody who says anything else is fucking lying or not gay

>>40955651
i have a cis gay friend who has a tboy bf

>>40939224 (OP)
some of them dont care, my bf liked me before he knew i was trans but it didnt bother him at all when i told him i was trans

>>40956489
I wonder why...

>>40956489
me too but my bf left me after being on t for 6 months

You need to go t4t forever.
/thread

>>40953126
>UUUUUMMMMM YOU'RE FEMALE BRAINED WHICH MEANS YOU'RE BAD BUT ALSO MALE BRAINED WHICH IS ALSO BAD

This board is total fucking brainrot

>>40955383
>>40955316
I would never say the two are the same, at the end of the day we settle on saying that only AMAB have the right to feel attraction to people, despite whatever performative outrage you put out over it. Like you still have this expectation that everything should fit into these male gaze boxes despite all of your posturing.

I know better by now that men seeing two lesbians and getting upset over it isn't entirely a selfish horny thing. Especially considering all of the cases where it's a male bottom or an MTF bottom or whatever. A lot of times it's about the wider social roles and stereotypes that are expected. Like seeing it as basically two bottoms in need of a REAL masculine presence, which is why a lot of times you see them talking about. They'll have no part in it, but still disapprove heavily of gay male relationships that are masc x masc or fem x fem. And even kicking other gays out of the club for being into FTMs to maintain that order. Maybe you believe in this sort of thing yourself even.

>>40957853
You're the only one saying it was bad. I just said it WAS.

>>40952694
>Maybe people don't like to be judged by their genitals

Yea, it's definitely not considered acceptable in a straight couple where the guy says he's grossed out by her labia and says she's too fat. I think it's a more normalized in male culture to shame others bodies, even their own partners.

>>40939224 (OP)
i'm intersex, i was born with ambiguous genitalia and raised female until i hit puberty at twelve and developed male. i'm muscular with XY chromosomes, an extremely deep voice, penis and testicles with a bifid scrotum and severe hypospadias, a flat chest, sparse but distinct body hair, there is no ambiguity in my appearance other than my genitalia which by now has changed from looking ambiguous leaning female to male with a defect that looks female to some people
i get rejected by most completely gay men for both hookups and relationships even though i'm male in all the consensus ways, because i'm not male *enough*
it doesn't matter why you're not male enough, if you don't meet a guy's standard of masculinity/maleness you are permanently excluded from their definition of who's an option for sex and dating. you were born female and no amount of surgeries and hormones can make you into enough of a man to count as fuckable for pure gay men, whether it's being trans or having reproductive developmental errors or being a flamer there is a bar to clear for most gay men in order to "count"
you need to accept this and date/hook up people who actually want to fuck you and stop obsessing over their identity label

>>40953978
retard

>>40959010
:( im intersex too and I just have no idea how to articulate to people. I wish someone would understand..

>>40939224 (OP)
op, if you do not understand this image, go back.

>>40959023
>you need to accept this and date/hook up people who actually want to fuck you and stop obsessing over their identity label

As our culture is now, there is such a huge emphasis on fitting into labels above all else. So it kind of sucks seeing all these people who are just never really accounted for in that framework.

>>40959630
so ftms should just go on tinder and match with straight men who want to impregnate them because thats who will fuck them?

Worst of both worlds, would rather fuck a cute guy or girl
>t. Bifag, formerly chaser till I started reading up on all the horror stories

>>40959803
do you think that's worse than begging for sexual attention and constantly getting rejected?

>>40939224 (OP)
Ew. No.

>>40943138
This. More lesbians date pooners than gay men would ever.

>>40946480
You will always be a woman no matter how much testosterone you take

>>40947841
Ugh, being topped by a foid

>why wont gay men date women
the funny part is women have been pressuring gay men to be with them since ever, this is just a new tactic that paints you as a "transphobic" villain if you doubt their narrative
women are DEEPLY offended by men being able to escape their sexual control

>>40952432
They get mad because they know no one will ever take them seriously as men

>>40953952
Every single ftm I've ever seen in real life walks, talks, and moves like a woman. Bar none.

>>40955662
He knows he's not dating a man tho

>>40959803
Yes.

>>40959803
You will be impregnated and you will be happy

>>40939224 (OP)
Ftms are the worst of all options.

>>40960768
pooners are the evolution of fag hags who think they can wear down their gay best friend into fucking them
>>40960784
they're even more feminine than regular cis women it's crazy

>>40960831
there's no evolution its just homophobic women who don't want gay men allowed to date other men, same thing that's been happening and still happens

>>40959023
i just don't bother, some people will never see me as a real man because i was born or do see me as a man but not one that they're capable of having sex with and that's fine. i can't control them and i don't want to

>>40960838
no one is forcing you to fuck pooners bro

>>40961182
sure just like nobody is forcing gay men to stay in the closet, they just face social ruin by coming out

>>40958193
Men hating big labia is so funny. Its grows because of high estrogen. Roastbeef pussy is high estrogen, feminine pussy. Trans men on t get innie pussies cause t shrinks it back. Post menopause women get innie pussies cause lack of estrogen shrinks it back.

>>40939224 (OP)
No

Next question. Might as well ask if straight guys like trannies

>>40960708
I have never been denied sex from those I am attracted to. I dunno why non ftms always post doom shit like this when reality is that you will have men banging your door to have sex with you if are an ftm. Is it jealous cope? Pretty sure it is. Being a boy with a pussy is fun.

>>40961998
yeah this i haven't been rejected by any guy i've been interested gay straight or otherwise

>>40960882
Whats the point of "repressing" and marrying a trans man. People will just see you two as a gay couple. Gay men are so stupid. Keep writing that erotic poon fanfiction, buddy

>>40960751
Wrong

I don’t understand. Why gaydens seek out and want to fit in amongst gay men specifically?
Have you seen gay men? They’re the most unchaste demographic.
Even if I was attracted to men I’d at least feel a little ashamed and associate with bisexuality instead.

>>40962321
They don't really seek gays imo. Gaydens are fine with t4t. Men into ftms are usually weirdly pedophilic and something to be cautious with

>>40961189
nobody cares about fags anymore. you can exist freely granted you arent a huge annoying flamer. you can also easily find other cis men to have sex with and easily ignore the pooners trying to "force you straight"

I like gaydens but I'm a bi guy who exclusively tops. I think most pure faggots won't want a ftm because true homos only really care about dick in their butt. Everything else is secondary in my expirence. Hierarchy of needs and all that.

Just be handsome lol

This gotta be trolling, no way such a tumblr caricature of a human being actually exists, right? You're just a faggot. And a pooner, of course no one wants you

>>40945422
Yeah lmao people were nicer in the shota thread

>>40962429
>are usually weirdly pedophilic
You're projecting.

I’m a poon but hot in a twunk way so Idk I have had pretty good luck with gay and bi men. Typically I just look for artists, furries, and geeks who are more likely to be more knowledgeable because they’re chronically online. It’s only been older gay men and trans women who care that I don’t have a real cock. Looking good will help your chances tenfold so take care of your damn T induced acne and work out.

>>40963674
How?

>>40963258
if gay men are castrating themselves and pretending to be women - that alone is evidence that gays are still widely reviled

>>40939224 (OP)
as a bottom tranner i have no preference for trans vs cis men

>>40964043
Men are as varied and unique as women, with more overlap than people popularly believe. Without prompting, you've assumed a reasoning that could only be a product of your mindset, as it's impossible to think of things you don't think of.

So you're projecting.

>>40963258
I transitioned in major part because being seen as a woman is less bad than being seen as a gay bottom. I had my entire teens and young adulthood stripped from me because of my sexuality. How thoughtless of you to say.

>>40964349
That sucks. Hope you've at least some happiness and freedom to self express that was denied you earlier.

>>40964349
Gays are are more accepted than trans people. You did a pretty stupid move if you are not even truly trans.

>>40961189
You face that same ruin if you date a passing trans man but you choose to be blind about

>>40964448
I think a lot of the damage is done honestly. Being bullied and ostracized and too scared to get close to anyone for your entire teens will do that. It's like one step below being raped or molested as a kid. But I'm able to larp as "more normal" now.

>>40964458
I pass, and am treated much better being perceived as a "straight woman" than as a "gay man." Overall it's definitely better. It's not even close. The sexual harassment sucks but it's a small price to pay vs. my life being a living hell prior to transition.
>if you are not even truly trans
Correct, I'm not, but it's still so much better that even if I weren't dysphoric, I'd never detransition for that reason alone.

>>40964996
passing is a myth

>>40965003
You can split hairs all you want but as long as people treat me as a woman and don't treat me like poop for being gay I don't care dude

>>40965043
>people treat me as a woman

>>40965050
Yes?

>>40939224 (OP)
If they look like twinks? Yes.

>>40964996
Good luck when you are old, infertile and look like hag. Being a gay is much more fun

>>40965525
The average old gay guy is bald and fat and tries to pick up twinks with daddy issues. No fucking thanks lol

>>40962051
Delusional

>>40961998
>>40962002
You may get sad men to fuck you but none of them are gay

>>40967298
No

>>40967341
That's what a delusional pooners would say

>>40967353
Good thing I'm not a delusional pooner

>>40967333
what other word am i supposed to use for someone who only fucks and dates men

>>40967365
They're fucking pooners so they're not exclusively sleeping with men

>>40967681
Pooners are mysteriously similar to women on their promiscuity