Thread 40950422

Why does the average FTM's idea of looksmaxxing involve becoming as grotesque and unattractive as humanly possible?

men gonna men sometimes

>>40950422 (OP)
thanks, i hate it

>>40950422 (OP)
Sexual trauma

>>40950422 (OP)
Yass on that ass

>>40950422 (OP)
Imagine being convinced you had inherent value your whole life

Then, yeah, you could scrungemaxx and it would be "valid"

Those are just normal english women.

>>40950422 (OP)
People blame sexual trauma but the reality is that people have been raised wrong on purpose and there are women who are in a place mentally where they are so insecure of the fact that they are average looking that they completely fuck themselves up as a way to cope. Used to manifest as head shaving and bull rings and now it's pooning.

Because that's what they think men are like because they're retarded

>>40950676
Well, no
I think they're just breaking what miniscule fashion "rules" exist for women through a lot of hyperbole. You have to WORK to violate fashion rules for AFaBs.
They want to be different enough that they stand out.

>>40950657
This is also super real. They can't be mediocre so they instead become abysmal; any extreme will do

Some white trans doods like being gross. And most of the trans community online is white so that's why you're experiencing this as your "average". Just hangout in different ftm circles.

>>40950428
ywnbam

>>40950422 (OP)
>yaoi is xy
Raped alert

>>40950657
>>40950632
I'm ftm and look nothing like this butnive been thinking about this lately. I even had a chance to date guys in highschool, but I was worried about my schizo mom accusing me of doing drugs or having sex that I just pushed everyone away. I convinced myself I was a lesbian. I know now that if I had submitted to my God Given role and just gotten plapped at 14 or 15 I would be fine and normal now. I ruined my entire life because my mom wouldn't let me be a whore or even normal.

>>40951614
Out of curiosity, what's stopping you from fucking to your hearts content now? Why you got to live with the regret of not doing things you can still do?

>>40951690
Who would fuck me? I feel uncomfortable being the 'vaginaboi' because I haven't had top surgery nor very buff, but detransing is just a lot of work.. I wish I could be a normal woman, but if I could magically transform into a cis male, i'd do it in a heartbeat

>>40951690
also I lost out on teenage love and teenage feral sex. everyone my age either has way more experience, or is looking to date ->marriage

>>40951723
>who would fuck me?
Incels

>>40951728
Having sex as a teenager is overrated and bites you in the ass long term.

>>40951723
>>40951728
Anyone that wants to, who you consent to have sex with.
>>40951729
Stay classy.
>>40951738
Dunno about bites you in the ass, but it is overrated.

>>40951738
How?
>>40951729
I don't really know any. Why would I fuck an incel instead of a friend?

>>40951723
Sex is generally enjoyable enough that it's not rare for people to want sex. Have you tried actually finding someone to have sex with? You wouldn't have trouble finding plenty of potential partners on /soc/

Autistic cis men do the same shit.

>>40951770
i had a fwb who was a cis male. he didnt want to do piv. he mostly preferred to be a bottom
the other guys i know are straight and have gfs. i had a gay guy hit on me until he found out i was ftm and now thinks im disgusting, but hides it to bully me. i live nowhere near anyone on /soc/. I'm not spending 1100+ on a plane ticket to get some sex.

>>40951751
Because incels are desperate and your question seemed to imply you didn't have more options

>>40950422 (OP)
They are mentally ill, that’s how they perceive women. I cross dress now and then and I like nice outfits, well fitting, nice make up and nails, I hold women in the highest regard. Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate them for what they are and understand when their lips are moving they are lying.

>>40951776
No we don't. Without talking to me, it would be impossible to tell I was anything but a run of the mill person living a typical life. Even my Goth "phase" wasn't particularly garish.
>>40951793
If you're genuine, I'd look you up. I do have standards, but they're not shallow bullshit. So if you were a decent enough sort, I'd invite you to my bed. No guarantees, but the point I'm getting at is nothing you've talked about so far disqualifies you from general dudes, and I'm not so unique that I couldn't think of numerous other guys who would think the same. So it's really just up to you to actually get out there and meet guys who are into PIV. Which is the vast majority of them.

>>40950676
So what does a man actually look like?
It's not like this is a trans man problem, white boys in the west haven't had a good male role model since the doctor trooned out.
They're obviously not going to be gigachads so what are their options exactly?

>>40951824
do you think its normal to fly just to meet a stranger for sex?

>>40951833
We're currently stanning for Henry Cavill as a role model. We stopped caring about the doctor since the old one harped on about historic revisionism in the most hypocritical manner. By that time it was clear the leg beards were the preferred audience. We'd already all left by the time the doctor grew a fanny, and only found out that he let himself be condescended to by a tranny about being male presenting through perpetually angry tweeters.

>>40951837
People have started wars over sex. Besides, there's a heap of other experiences in flying out to meet someone that isn't just sex. You'd be doing those too.

If you have the time and resources, why not? It's your life.

>>40951872
I'm not flying out to have sex. Why can't I just have sex in my local area like a normal person? I intentionally turn down sex to a degree because I am dysphoric.

I'm really not interested in banging a chaser or a weirdo on an internet forum. Im not that desperate, otherwise I would have done it already

>>40951927
And I wish that everyone I wanted to have sex with would show up at my house bare assed in nothing but a hoodie. Unfortunately I do actually have to meet people to make them aware that sex is an option, and so do you.

Have you tried explaining that? Could encourage them to be patient for when you're ready.
>>40951936
>chaser
I actually think you guys have more to offer than sex, it's why I come here.
>weirdo
I suppose that's fair. I'm hardly heteronormative. But I think everyone is a little weird, most just suppress it for the social standing.
>desperate
You have to be desperate to have sex with someone you met online? What if you actually like chatting with them? They still disqualified cause you met them here?

>>40951983
What? Encourage them to be patient? What do you think my interactions are like?

Are you straight? Would you ever fuck a cis man?

Yes, I do think that meeting people online just to fly and have sex with them is weird. At least for my personal taste. You do you. The thing for me about sex is that the first time needs to be spontaneous.

>>40951862
>We stopped caring about the doctor since the old one harped on about historic revisionism in the most hypocritical manner.
I agree but that doesn't change my point.
>Henry Cavill
I don't know if you've noticed but he's not getting roles due to the fact he's actually masculine.

My point is that there are NO positive white male role models in MMXXV anno Domini. Even for cis male zoomers there's fuck all roles to emulate to learn how to be a man excepting effeminate betas, weirdos, and drug-fucked sportsball players. The doctor was the last case of an intelligent, non-violent, masculine man in pop culture.

Watching Peacemaker atm and your choice of male role model is Dumbfuck McMuscle, fat bearded autist, or effeminate asexual sociopath.
I tried to watch Twisted Metal season 2 and by episode 3 literally the only white guys in it were the village simp begging to give footrubs to the army of girlbosses and the bottom for the psycho clown.
Wednesday has the worst possible message about male disposability I've seen since Wreck It Ralph 2.


I remember how important pop culture was to me in forming the masculine identity I used to repress, I look around now and there's no possible way I could do that again. And I think about FtM and also the neurodiverse and I wonder what the fuck their options for masculinity even are?

>>40950422 (OP)
>yaoi is xy
Does she tell herself that when she goons to yaoi?

>>40951723
I would fuck you and plenty of others also would. Its a hard pill for gaycells here to swallow but just having a pussy makes you much more desirable sex partner than a male. Ftms can be really fucking cute if you out in some effort, so put in some effort

>>40952001
That you either build up the desire but stop short because your dysphoria interrupts, or you don't engage at all because it conflicts with your self image even though you're aroused.

Uh, sort of. Bi-romantic but only get hard for a pussy. I've tried fucking cis guys, even with some chemical enhancement, but couldn't get into it.

If you say so, but if you stay in your comfort zone, you're not going to experience a lot of new things. And just as a counter point, sometimes foreknowledge can build enjoyable anticipation.

>>40952039
I'd rather not have a straight man fuck me.

>>40952035
She is silly. I personally only goon to omega yaoi

>>40952049
Is this romance with trans men or cis men? Again, I'm really not interested in fucking straight dudes.

>>40952070
They are more likely bi

>>40952025
I admit, I have found some difficulty in finding these myself. John Wick brushed against it, but was pretty brain dead. Frankly, as much as revenge can feel empowering, it's not healthy, and that seems to be the only alternative to self deprecation that makes up all the other mainstream stuff. Not that previous "men are an island" stuff was good for us either. Aragorn was probably the last one.

But you're right that we're not allowed to have role models any more. Any wonder why there's that subculture sticking to obviously damaged sorts like joker, Rorschach and punisher. Closest things to male empowerment left. Though that's been pretty firmly stomped on without any awareness of what it meant.

That aspect of ftm male rolemodels is a mystery to me. Not to disparage them of course. But men barely know what it means to be a man anymore.

>>40952082
What is the difference? Though it begs the question, are you having sex because it feels good and you like the person and they like you, or just to have your identity validated? Cause if it's the latter, more power to you, but it does limit your options and you'll just have to accept that.

>>40952133
The difference is that if you're solely into trans men vs cis men, and you're into women, and you like when ftms let loose and get fucked in their pussy, then you're a chaser or just a straight guy and need to get off this board.

>>40952266
Or they just don't like biocock and it's a hard limit, just like pussy can be a hard limit for gay guys. Sorry your masculinity is so fragile.

>>40952266
Misandry aside, what's with the bi erasure?

But as you're referring to me specifically, it's more complicated than that. People aren't a fetish for me. Whatever their identity. I sleep with people because I like them and I hope they like me too. Anything else is just masturbation, which I tend to just take care of myself. Sure I have preferences and I generally stick to those as the hard limit person alludes to. But I'm not here to chase. Certainly not because of some idea that you're a confused woman and easy prey, like I've seen brought up. My self esteem isn't so low that I would bother with that just to get sex.

Seems like I'm the opposite of you. I'll sleep with someone in the manner I prefer to have sex because we both want to have sex in that manner and it's nothing to do with my identity and everything to do with whether we actually like each other.

You won't sleep with someone in the manner you both want to have sex because you think it has everything to do with your identity and it has nothing to do with you liking each other. Your hard limit is they have to want to fuck guys with bio dick's too? No accounting for love then.

I'm summary, you're like most "incels" bemoaning that you can't get sex and blaming it on what other people think of you, rather than actually being more socially relaxed and less headass.

But, do what you want. It's your life. I'm not saying you should bang every chaser and not bother with finding a gay guy that won't get hung up on a pussy. But if you're just going to attack every guy that is interested due to gatekeeping, you're going to continue being lonely and it will be on you.

>>40952591
Do you actually want sex or do you keep nitpicking all day?

>>40952637
My god, that was infuriating. So yes. Now I want to fuck that out of my system into the jack ass that annoyed me.

>>40950428
Except a cis woman is closer to being a man than them

>>40950422 (OP)
>why do ftms do [x]
because they're men

>>40950422 (OP)
Because they are mentally ill women

>>40950422 (OP)
Who would ever be attracted to this

afab: who would even fuck me? my life is over no one wants me
thread: (gives a list of options to fuck)
afab: ew yuck! yuck yuck yuck! no no no not like that yuck!
why are women like this?

>>40955637
i never said that no one would fuck me lol. say you're an incel, would you fuck this woman? no? guess you're not an incel then, since you're clearly picky about who you want to fuck...

it was never about how 'people don't want to fuck me' it's about how i would rather fuck bi/gay guys (or straight/bi women) than straight men, and I currently am too dysphoric to do any of those

>>40955618
Incels

>>40950422 (OP)
They dont want to look female and beauty is feminine

>>40952133
>are you having sex because it feels good and you like the person and they like you, or just to have your identity validated?

Not that anon but most people have certain kinds of sex that they just aren't interested in, like just not horny for. Would you let a 50 year old man pee in your butt? No? Not even if he was hot and you liked each other? Wow you must have fragile masculinity or just not want to get laid fr.

>>40950428
hot

>>40957258
see, afabs like you dont get what its like to be hated by everyone and have no one believe that you have any sort of value

>>40950422 (OP)
Most Of Them Poon Out Because They're Ugly Women Trying To Cope With Being Undesirable, Pooning Out Compensates For That Or Offers Some Kind Of External Reasoning For Being Unattractive. I Have Only Seen A Handful Of Attractive Women Who Poon Out And Try To Pass Most Just Want Attention Or To Be Included With Her Tranny Friends. Why Would A Good Looking Woman Do This To Herself Other Than Trauma ? Pooning Can Improve An Ugly Girls Chances. What Does Pooning Achieve For A Good Looking Woman ?

>>40958305
Why are you typing Like This

>>40958389
it's a typing quirk (woman thing)

>>40958305
Dysphoria

>>40957258
Dude, they literally said they wanted PIV. But wouldn't do it with am with someone who was averse to fucking people with a penis. The schizo strawman of that suddenly turning into "pee in your butt" is stupid.

Learn to read.

I'm surrounded by illiterate idiots.

>>40958389
Anon is schizoposting but also forgetting dysphoria exists

>>40958305
jaden smith plz go

>>40958389
autism

>>40958968
Jadenon is welcome to stay if he can elaborate what the fuck that post was supposed to mean

>>40950657
true desu I shaved my head when I realized I was mid
>t. tranny

>>40950422 (OP)
>MTFs: either look like a real woman, or an lanky autistic looking twink with long hair
>FTMs: become total freak abominations
why is this?

>>40959388
males are just thoroughly ugly

>>40950422 (OP)
Its an acquired taste

Pooners Don't Put Any Effort Into Transition And The Ones That Do Do not Associate With Trannies Poons Who Pass Will Have No Tranny Friends In Real Life They Will Just Pretend To Be Real Men . Pooner FemBoys Only Do It So They Can Talk About Herself More But Don't Want To Be Men. Ugly Poons Are The Most Authentic Trannies And Enjoy Being Trannies Passoid Poons Hate Themselves And Wish They Were Men

>>40958305
Worst light novel title ever desu.

>>40952119
tbdesu as an ftm i don't and have never had role models in life, i just try to be true to myself while being a decent person.

>>40959457
stfu kanaya

>>40958305
Oh wow ye pic is me? Anon what are you trying to say? What is the message or even theme behind your story mate?

If you want a reason why I transitioned specifically and what it achieved? I once wanted kms and hated myself deeply, now I don't and just get on with life.