Thread 40953973

Whenever you bring up misandry to cis women they completely lose their minds at the concept and think you are basically an incel rape terrorist or something but when cis women transition to men they instantly understand it and it makes them suicidal and shit. A good amount of men, likely a substantial majority in the west at least, can understand misogyny and empathize with it but cis women completely lack this ability, I think this points to a major issue with cis women's ability to empathize with others, cultural of course not implying this is a biologically determined issue. Do you think this provides some explanation for the rise of TERFdom? A common theme running among TERF discourse is just a complete inability to recognize the completely obvious fact that transwomen are far more socially marginalized than cis women are, even rightwingers typically recognize this with their focus on transwomen being essentially just a variety of mental retard in need of corrective medical intervention to dispel the mental illness. Its really only cis women that have this bizarre pernicious inability to empathize.

Because women hate men, simple as

>>40953973 (OP)
>I think this points to a major issue with cis women's ability to empathize with others
The gender that consistently scores higher in empathy does not have a problem relating to men’s issues. The mismatch is that men blame women for misandry, when men are largely self-abusing. Men’s inability to make friends, men going off to war, men getting their dicks mutilated, this is all being done by men to other men. We are just tired of men blaming us for their choices and problems.

>>40954093
um that's cute that you think, "[women] understand how men live!"
that's a riot
that's profound arrogance
notice how you can claim that garbage but the prevalent assumption is that transwomen can't understand how women live

males are blamed for every inconvenience and compelled to fix it, regardless of their involvement

>>40954093

Women and accountability, everyone

>>40953973 (OP)
women are the jews of gender, anything that even vaguely smells of someone trying to take a piece of the oppreshun pie is a threat that must be destroyed

>>40953973 (OP)
afabs can't experiece empathy

>>40954061
its not just that though, obviously rightoids of a particular type just hate troons but they can still demonstrate a degree of empathy with them. They implicitly understand that trannies are suffering from some sort of mental condition, they think it should be drilled out of them so as to protect the social order. Its really only cis women that have this (>>40954093 as an example) style of autistic inability to empathize

>>40954133
She is correct tho. Male on male violence is for men to solve

>>40953973 (OP)
"Women are empathetic" was a lie created by the patriarchy to brainwash women into being doormats.
Trannies pushed this lie as well because they are the latest iteration of patriarchy.
Women are as cruel as men.

>>40953973 (OP)
Ciswomen are right to do this.

>>40955448
Women are more cruel than men but not in the way you could easily imagine

>>40954133
>women are responsible for all of men’s problems
When you grow up and step into the real world the light of the sun is going to blind you so terribly that I doubt you will resist the temptation to hiss and retreat back into your little mental cave. Cest la vie.

>>40953973 (OP)
I just wish that everyone was capable of accepting that it’s okay that a demographic isn’t fully satisfied with their conditions. I think cis women and cis men both have some very reasonable concerns and we should all use our listening ears instead of getting butthurt about them or making it about our own demographic. Maybe someday.

thinking moids in the west can emphasize with cis women is fucking crazy. you know you what men are like right? like you know 1? or 2?

>>40955510
The victim complex from men on display here is a total narrative reversal. “We are actually the empathetic ones, and we are the ones always being blamed, and women are way more cruel to men than we are to women.” It’s extremely delusional. Anything to avoid accountability and further demonize women.

>>40955526
literally 10000%. i maintain that like this victim complex white moids specifically have is part of the reason young men swung for trump last year

>>40955510
I think most of you are just retarded and/or unwilling to empathize with people who are in different situations than you. Continue blaming the .1% of men in charge while the other 99.9% kill themselves and do opiates, see where it gets you

>>40955565
you reek of not interacting with men your age. it is dire. i have a dei hire cis friend and the stories i hear of cishet boys in college are just horrible. these people dont have souls and EVERYONE knows it.

>>40955448
Yet every study proves that women have more empathy. If men had more empathy they would not do 90% of all crimes

>>40955487
Mens concerns are them not getting to do everything they want, women's concerns are that men try to control their bodies and try to keep women from from decision making power

>>40955565
I would like you to read the results of surveys asking college students how often the young men have forced women into sex and how often the young women have been forced into sex. They don't even recognize it as rape.

>>40955597
90% of normies don't have souls, but that also applies to women. I agree that it generally manifests in much worse ways with men though

I'm pretty moidbrained MtF but >>40954093 is right very rarely in my life has any issue of self-esteem or social acceptance originated from women for me. You sound like a really retarded faggot though with a chip on your shoulder so I don't expect you to accept that ever though

>>40953973 (OP)
You are getting at a truth here but I think you need to redefine/reclassify "empathy" because you're losing people on a semantic level. I'm not sure how I would phrase it but there are very obviously different kinds of empathy exhibited by the different genders.
People saying "studies say women are more empathetic!" are kind of missing the point because there isnt one kind of empathy
But also, saying women entirely lack that kind of empathy is obviously an exaggeration. That goes for women taking about men too, though; its just different

>>40954442
it really is amazing how quickly they can turn so inhumane

>>40955619
Coercing someone to have sex with you is a different sex crime. Forcing someone to fuck you with violence is obviously ver different

All of this world and society revolves around women manipulating men into being their slaves so women will never point out that they are the oppressors and beneficiaries

>>40955526
>>40955536
>>40955510
>>40955471
>>40955597
>women proving they're not ensouled beings part 124283

>>40955670
Men are so empathetic that they abandon their dying wives if they get cancer. Truly peak empathy from men

>>40955675
When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression

>>40955688
You are comparing anecdotes with widespread phenomena.

>>40955729
Men abandoning their sick wives is a widespread phenomena. They even warn women about it when they get diagnosed.

>>40955754
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6qalGezr76o&pp=ygUVc2lsZW50IGhpbGwgMiBwcm9taXNl

>>40955754
>Men abandoning their sick wives is a widespread phenomena
No it's not. That's just one of these made up offhands comments everyone repeats because it conforms to the progressive hegemony.

>>40955845
its funny that ultimately its not even women defending women abusing men here, its men who think being misandrist makes them look cool to females and will earn them social inclusion by throwing other men under the bus
women have these men totally brainwashed

>>40955861
It seems to be a perennial problem that arises from time to time.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybele

>>40955845
It's true
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19645027/

>>40955681
Not an argument

>>40955845
Thats just how men often do it. Leave when things get uncomfortable

>>40955954
Any work involved in politics that conform to the current hegemon should not be taken at face value. Are there replications? Do you know whoever made this is unbiased? Did you check for methological fraud? Would an ethics committee object if their research showed the opposite results?

>>40956072
Why don't other anons ever bother looking up pubmed articles to prove me wrong? Why do I always have to do the heavy lifting and this is what I get in return

>>40953973 (OP)
>think you are basically an incel rape terrorist or something
ITT we have
>>40954129
>women are arrogant
>>40954184
>women are manipulative
>>40954260
>women don’t have empathy
>>40954442
>women are mentally deficient
>>40955466
>women are retarded
>>40955681
>women do not have souls
And you are surprised women think you are incels when your complaints about midandry all boil down to hatred of women. Amazing lack of self awareness on display

>>40953973 (OP)
Feminism is laser-focused on all the way patriarchy makes things worse for women, but few feminists are actually interested in truly dismantling the patriarchy. In fact, there are plenty of cases of feminists collaborating with conservatives, the staunchest supporters of patriarchy, because they both stand to benefit from keeping men in line.

>>40954093
Women take part in social castigation, women treat men as threats before they determine they are not, women make up just as much of the elite that profit from wars (British empire has a woman in charge for 3 quarters of the last 200 years) and there's a Gislane Maxwell for every Jeffrey Epstein, women are just as often the proponents of circumcision as the choice most often falls to them.

Men have been eating shit right alongside women, non landowners didn't even get to vote until less than a generation before women. You know who the strongest supporters of suffrage alongside women? Common ass men.

Funny things is, men didn't come up with the concept of matriarchy to undermine all women.....

But patriarchy is real, even though the social values espoused by patriarchy is most notable in Christian religion... Guess who owned the first printing presses and basically reconned history with it from the 1600s onwards after a chunk of the world died of the coof and then spent the next 400 years colonizing the rest of the world and subverting their history to resemble their social propaganda.

But hey, misandry isn't real because someone has to pay for it and everyone that shares a particular physical trait with the Pope is responsible.

>accountability

For all the shit that Chappelle spouted, he was right about one thing. I had no idea women had it so hard sitting in the Jacuzzi right beside the men. At least men aren't rolling class stratification up into a nice neat pile to place at the feet of women.

>>40956130
>women treat men as threats before they determine they are not
So women not leaving their drinks unattended at a bar is now a transgression against you. Fascinating.

>>40956150
I am owed free access to your glass to roofie, woman. How dare you

>>40956150
Society is just defending wombs from unwanted sex - literally every thought in your male brain is about defending unknown women from the possibility of sex with men who aren't chad.

>>40955610
The concerns of cis men are rigid hegemonic gender expectations; as well as drafts, laws, and judicial systems rooted in bioessentialism that discriminate against them in ways that harm both cis men and cis women.
These are happening concurrently to what cis women experience, are not caused by cis women, and do not take away from what cis women experience in any capacity. It’s really just two things happening at the same time.

>>40956090
>Why don't other anons ever bother looking up pubmed articles to prove me wrong?
Because articles aren't the arbiter of truth and reality. You are just wrapping your pre-conceived conclusions in the form selective citations. Anyone can do that.

>>40956150
>So a cheap strawman that culminates in an adhom is an argument
You think crazies advertise? That's a non binary trait sweety. Numbers don't lie, the vast majority of men don't and have never done that shit. But hey the most prolific multiple murderers of children (and this is including school shootings) is women. Guess women can't be trusted around kids no more.
>>40956240
No, that's what you project men's concerns are, because actually believing there is more depth to men is far too alien a concept to you.

>>40956240
gender expectations are set and enforced by females
men just do whatever women tell them to - women evolved to have mind control over men

>>40956273
It wasn’t a cheap strawman. It was bringing your whining to a real world example to show how completely ridiculous your complaints are. Lots of things are very unlikely - airplane crashes, home invasions, etc. But it’s not unreasonable to have precautions for unlikely things. You intuitively know and accept this in other areas of life, and it’s as simple as this: it offends you that women protect themselves from dangerous men.

It would be one thing if it were women here denying that they hold social power, but its men who larp as women and are white knighting for imaginary women they feel compelled to defend online, that's the sad part, men are THAT brainwashed that even the idea of men speaking out anonymously against female created problems in society they feel like is something that needs to be shamed and censored.

Women are very rarely forced to self reflect. People make excuses for them, and tell them if they ever did anything wrong, it's because of some kind of internalised victimhood, or "unfair" societal standards.
A lot of them really cannot comprehend that sometimes it is them that's being a bitch. At least one person is going to call me hateful for even saying that.

>>40956345
the females in my family are constantly malicious and never apologize or reflect on their own behavior at all, to the point that it has destroyed our family and we barely speak anymore
females want it this way, they would rather have total power than egalitarianism
the only men they want to interact with are men who submit to them and provide them things they want

>>40956108
It's funny to me how everything bad about the male gender seems to fall on incels. Not only do they represent a minority of the population, but they're also completely powerless to do anything the misandrists usually complain about. At the end of the day, batterers, unfaithful men, and criminals will continue to fuck and reproduce their biology and attitudes no matter what some resentful people say, that's life.

>>40953973 (OP)
>when cis women transition to men they instantly understand it and it makes them suicidal and shit.
no they dont they just like victimizing themselves and see the misandry thing as an opportunity when in reality it makes them just as shitty as they used to be pre transition. but also misandry isnt a thing, which is proof that they literally make that up to victimize themselves but in a different way than cis men do because they also add the misogyny they faced pre transition to the mix for extra victimization points. they could never "understand" what you think of as misandry because in reality it doesnt exist

>>40956359
The comparison to incels refers to violent, ideological misogyny. You can see it in this thread with conspiratorial thinking that women have far more social power than men, that women are manipulating men into being misandrists, that women are soulless unfeeling child killers, etc. I don’t think anyone really associates domestic abusers and cheaters with incels.

>>40956319
A real world example of cherry picked data that relies more on sympathy than it does on fact? And your conveniently ignoring that you're using vigilance about drinks to stop a minority of perpetrators as an excuse to malign every single man in every single situation as a potential threat. That's called a bootstrap fallacy. It would be like forcing women to undergo regular psychological evaluation in order to raise children because they could all potentially be insane. Oh it performs the duty of protecting kiddies, fuck how women would feel about that I guess.

Idiots like you are the reason our phones are basically high tech surveillance and fuck our privacy. Muh terrorists!

>>40956264
Literally proving the point. Simply lying and denying

>>40956407
>In reality it doesn't exist.
You've never read FDS before it got delisted, did you.

>>40956319
>it almost never happens but its justified for us to do it
I totally agree, that's why men should be allowed to do the same towards women, except roasties like you screech anytime something that might benefit men and cost women power comes up because you don't believe in a word of what you're saying and are just picking the words you think best rationalize your retarded ideology of woman oppression and man bad. it's incredible how fucking stupid you are and very telling that you picked such a retarded example and out of the blue as a non sequitur that you didn't even read what the person before you said, your retarded monkey brain just got angry that someone wasn't slavering over women like they're supposed to and you threw out some random garbage at them in anger. Don't complain about not being treated as a human when you make every effort to be that way and make every effort to deny it from the people you dislike because you're too stupid to comprehend being human. lmfao.

>>40956422
I hope the women around you are watching their drinks. You sound insane.

feminism is misandry, nothing more, the goal is to cause men pain

>>40956422
women rape kids 10x the rate men do, society just lets them get away with it
being around a woman is being constantly emotionally abused and told that only physical abuse matters and that's something only men do and btw you are the one causing women to get angry

>>40956416
the criminal justice system is a violent system created by women to oppress men
the ideology is that only men can harm people and that only physical harm matters

>>40956329
no one cares about defending women we're just not edmund kemper weird niggas like you and react with strong distaste towards unsettling pathetic screeds

>>40956458
All cis men are potential rapists, this is not just about you

>>40956450
How is generalizing FDS to all women any better than generalizing redpill to all men?

>>40953973 (OP)
>A common theme running among TERF discourse is just a complete inability to recognize the completely obvious fact that transwomen are far more socially marginalized than cis women are
and yknow why this is? its not due to misandry, its due to transmisogyny. youre stupid as fuck. TERFs lack empathy towards them purely because they refuse to see it this way and understand that transmisogyny is a thing separate from "misandry" that more closely resembles the oppression a cis woman would face but amplified tenfold due to transphobia. instead, they just classify it as misandry, which isnt real (and theyre right about that), but transmisogyny in fact is and it isnt misandry at all.

>>40956450
i think everyone should be reading serrano instead of whatever MRA bullshit that might be ^_^

>>40956487
You completely missed my point.

It must be the easiest thing for you to dehumanize other people while claiming to be the gender of empathy and compassion.

>>40956457
Holy cow you’re mad. First off, please don’t punch holes in your wall. Look around the room and name 3 objects you can see. Take a deep breath and contact your caretaker.

>>40954093
>The gender that consistently scores higher in empathy
According to who though?
Who is running these tests, and how many of the questions are geared in a way that just kind of presumes women are more empathetic, since that's already a societal bias?
How much of what we typically think is empathy is also just kind of a lack of perspective? An example is how animal rights activists will often indirectly hurt animals, because of some misplaced feeling of altruism. Like releasing Mink from captivity, into an incompatible environment, where they go on to kill local wildlife.

>>40956529
women do nothing but dehumanize men all day long

>>40956458
it makes total sense when you realize it's just people in power clutching to power. the words themselves have no logic or meaning, they just choose the words that they think have the highest likelihood of putting you in your place. good faith conversations involve asking why you think the way you do because no one is born out of the womb thinking wow im glad to be born i can't wait to hate [caregory of people] so there's always a reason why they ended up the way they did, and if you truly believe your way of life is correct then you'd engage them directly and as a human being who was molded by the world, not someone who has some kind of original sin for performing wrongthink. ideologues will do nothing other than try to find reasons to castigate you and discard your opinion and loftily imply you're the villain not worthy of human consideration because they know instinctually if not consciously that their opinions and positions hold no merit in direct confrontation with other ideas. that's why they can only screech that you're wrong and stupid and a threat not worth talking to and their cause is so much greater anyways so your point isn't worth considering because the alternative would be seeking the truth potentially at the cost of their own ideology that they swallowed as children and never examined.

>>40956461
Nice attempt at an adhom again. Might want to try for someone with lower self esteem and less life experience.
>>40956474
Yeah, I'm familiar with the deluth model. The rape thing is speculation though. Don't need to guess at shit when there's enough straight forward evidence that the moral high ground women claim against men is about as steep as a street curb.
>>40956495
Who said anything about generalizing women. You said misandry doesn't exist, I gave you a place you can find multiple examples of it.

>>40956356
Yep. There's a lot of women in my family. And I've seen it. They're pretty awful to each other as well. My mother has always pretty clearly been the lesser sibling, who gets to be put down by everyone else.

>>40956518
FDS is a haven for misandry. Got nothing to do with MRA.

I do like that you segued into that men's rights activists are maligned as a matter of course. Imagine that, just the concept of men rights activism is considered offensive. Men don't deserve rights hmm?

>>40956576
Thats not what ad hom is. Ad hom would be something like, “You are an incel therefore you are wrong.” I have already demonstrated with a very clean, sharp example why your complaints are ridiculous, never used an attack on your character to rebut your arguments. You then insulted me by calling me an idiot here
>>40956422
And when I returned the favor you started whining about insults. Grow up.

>>40956273
>No, that's what you project men's concerns are, because actually believing there is more depth to men is far too alien a concept to you.
Are you responding to the right anon? I consider what I listed to be completely justified concerns that would benefit from action.

>>40956598
my mom is the control freak "greater" sibling who is high on her own grasp of intellectualism and the belief that she is adhering to customs and manners and politeness and everyone falls in step with her
my sister isn't totally submissive to her and they are somewhat on the outs given that - but of course they are closer to each other than I am to either because I'm gay and women are the reason society is homophobic
they don't see gay men as people, they see you as cute obedient pets, at best, and the second you are not obedient, you are dead to them

>>40956416
>The comparison to incels refers to violent, ideological misogyny.
you made that connection, because it's easier to believe a man is evil and violent, than to believe maybe they have been screwed by circumstance and just struggle to have their needs met.
Pointing out character flaws that are very common in women also does not immediately connect to wanting to beat women up. You're the one making that leap, and you're making it because it's easy, and a cop-out.

reminder that gincel is attracted to 9 year olds

>>40953973 (OP)
It's not about a lack of empathy it's because they mistakenly believe that if they acknowledge misandry exists then it will take attention away from anti-misogyny efforts

>>40956108
Notice how the defense is always just self-victimizing and screeching about how men did something bad first. The roastie societally ostracizes you then shrieks in manufactured fear when you say anything about it.

I guess the misandrist, cis women that are also TERFs just love the gatekeep the privilege of being treated like a woman away from everyone that doesn't fully resemble them

>>40956700
You in particular should be ostracized, yes, because spreading misogyny is antisocial behavior.

>>40956717
The truth is the truth.

>>40956607
>just the concept of men rights activism is considered offensive
isnt this basically common knowledge? to give men rights is to reinforce patriarchy. theoretically, all humans should have rights, and within humans men should be included, but seeing as they are willing to take a mile when given an inch, maybe its best that they arent given any. women always deserved more rights anyway.

feminists and MRA's are such cringe niggas, get over your mommy and daddy issues

>>40956687
>be weird gender thing from birth
>sort of begrudgingly accepted by men and women but mostly just sort of invisible
>listen to men talk about women
>it's just things that women do if you listen to them and watch them, like how they're emotional or that they're not very smart (read: because they don't have to be, women usually stop developing in other ways the moment they realize they can use their looks instead of their personality or intelligence)
>listen to women talk about men
>exaggerations, histronics, blaming men for problems they created themselves like cheating and then crying after the guy leaves that he wasn't man enough for her and the victimhood tears driving him out of the friend group, talking about things that don't happen like "being scared at night" when we live in a neighborhood with 0 crime and they routinely choose to go out at night alone on purpose and aren't afraid of it at all except when it's time to claim oppression tax returns

If men really were some overbearing patriarchy machine then women couldn't get away with making up nonsense scenarios like the bear scenario where they say shit they don't mean about men to just poke them for fun with no consequences. There would be actual crackdowns on free speech and you wouldn't even be able to have those thoughts at all and they'd be eradicated and beaten out of existence. In some shithole middle east countries it's possible that happens, meanwhile over here, curiously, it's the men that get immediately silenced the instant the thought police get a whiff of wrongthink from them. Women hold a lot of power that they'll never acknowledge they have because that would result in having to take responsibility for that power.

Also
>decide as society that the bad things men do are crimes (i.e. physical violence)
>decide as society that the bad things women do aren't crimes (attacks on the identity of others, social ostracization)
>scream that men do all the crime
>never ask why they did

>>40956637
No you haven't, you bypassed my responses without addressing how they undermined your point that men are inherent threats (as the vast majority of men aren't drink spikers) and then just reiterated the argument with a straw man, which still never addressed why you believe it's reasonable to malign men as a entity. And it was an ad hom. "You sound insane".. remember?

You really don't understand that I'm not taking shots at women for the sake of it.

The rub is you blame men for your role of victim, and you blame men for men being victimized. And when that's clarified to show, no, men are actually being victimized by women too. Your fall back is women have been victimized by men so it's okay. Yet if a man were to take that position because they were victimized by women, you would call him an incel. That's without even touching the subject that women victimize women, though when that happens, it's men's fault.

And you wonder why the consensus with men is women don't take responsibility?
>>40956867
Rights are how we recognize people as human, to deny people rights is to dehumanize them. Did the civil rights era teach you nothing?

Also "the patriarchy" is a lazy straw man for class stratification that Trojan horses misandry. I'm still mystified that modern progressives are that propaganda vulnerable.

>>40956867
damn, that's some double think.

>>40956957
if the propaganda at least helps a few people stay safe by telling them to distance themselves from possible threats then it might not be really bad

>>40956967
It's at the point they're brushing up against poes law. I honestly can't tell if they're trolling or just that ignorant.

>>40956884
It doesn't make me an "MRA" to point out that women are kind of mean sometimes, and we definitely give them too much moral credit.
An MRA is an activist. I'm not an activist. I'm a person saying words.

Sometimes I wonder what it would be like being female and having all that privilege to shame men for doing anything that isn't totally conformant to female supremacy - but then I realize what they are doing is antisocial, and the idea of having to shave my body is a nightmare.

>>40956978
Propaganda exists so the elite don't have to kick down your door to force you to comply and risk you realizing there are more of you then there are of them. If you're not actually retarded, read the propaganda model by Noam Chomsky. If you are retarded, watch friendly jordies cancels the media and try not to get stuck on the Australian references.

>>40956407
>>40956518
Heads up before you read these posts! A roastie wrote them so they're not written by a human. Keep this in mind and stay safe out there.

>>40956989
you're an autistic retard with emotional issues who has let that get in the way of their lucidity in seeing the world. thats adolescence. i think a lot of women are annoying but cognitively i don't do this because i'm an adult

>>40956989
saying words makes you an activist sometimes, since youre literally agreeing with that point

>>40957000
you literally dont have to shave if youre a woman? how come so many of you dream of being one yet are still at level 1 feminism and heavily influenced by patriarchal standards? i mean, not that its a bad thing to want to shave your body hair but you also arent obliged to is what im saying. body hair wouldnt make anyone any less of a woman

>>40957038
notice all female supremacists have is personal attacks

>>40957053
keep maintaining your delusion at whatever cost nigga

>>40954093
>women have higher empathy because...some other people told me so and i want to believe that so it must be true
Spoken like a roastie, lol. They can't even admit to having their own thoughts in their dreams, they have to say 'someone else said' because that gives them a last chance to deflect when they're finally outed as an enormous retard.

>>40957034
heads up before anyone interacts with this whole thread: its filled with moids parroting incel MRA points so these posts arent made by humans. stay safe out there and always remember to stay away from dangerous moids especially for the trannies on this board who are at risk of being chased by them

>>40957071
You are a dispensable obnoxious incel just stfu no one cares about your unhinged rambling s

>>40957038
that doesn't make me an MRA.
>>40957048
No it doesn't.

>>40957087
>>40957101
notice the dehumanizing rhetoric

>>40957053
I think it's kind of mean to bully me for being autistic, but I'm used to it.
I'll wait until someone can actually argue against any of the things I've said, instead of trying to brand me Mr Poopy Pants, like I'm back in primary school.

>>40957122
it just shows what they really want is silence, they are terrified of people exposing the social crimes of females and being willing to talk about that openly
god forbid women be held to the standards they hold men to

>>40957122
>i'm going to make a bunch of ethereal unfounded statements that are grounded in my emotions and personal characterizations of people like my mom and you have to provide an argument against these statements somehow

>>40957121
you did it first im just responding to (you)

Literally women will call you an incel for anything, as if it was an insult or something

Literally the biggest achievement of a women is apparently it's capacity to fuck dudes

This entire thread proved OP right in every way.
When you have privilege, equality will feel like an attack.

>>40957183
the only value women have is their sex hole, and they prove it by only being able to repeat the word incel when you criticize them over anything

>>40957146
Ideas about misogyny is all just "muh feelings" though. You have to bring feelings to a discussion on feelings.

>>40957215
but all of a sudden when i say that my feelings are that you're a retard i'm not making a proper argument

>>40957222
I am a retard. Doesn't mean I'm not right.
Why do you get off on attacking the disabled?

>>40957234
"right" doesn't fit it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong
this is more characteristic

>>40957240
Misogyny and misandry are not scientific categories. All any of us are talking about here is emotion and experience.

>>40957252
misandry is 100000000x a bigger problem than misogyny
women are protected by society, men are not

>>40957252
not necessarily but in this case you're just like..screaming about your feelings online? can you do that some place where no one else has to hear it then please?

>>40957271
>don't come to this thread about feelings and talk about your feelings
Why? What else is the internet for?

>>40957277
productive and purposeful discussions

>women unironically trying to gatekeep the conversation by pretending to be science bros, just because it's not going their way
Can't make this shit up.

>>40957287
maam, 4chan is an open sewer.

>>40957299
i'm a male, now fuck off you whiny feminine faggot

>>40957325
gender traitor

>>40957344
aren't you gincel and don't you like prepubescent boys

>>40953973 (OP)
women have sympathy. they dont have empathy.
men are more empathic than women.
but don't have the sympathy going on as much.

women are comfy to be around.
but when you need to get shit done, the man will come through.

women are good for some social things.
but for practical things, you'd need a guy.

thats why women keep like 100 guys around.
the car guy, the plumbing guy, the carpenter guy, etc.

used to the men of the tribe doing everything.


women are like red blood cells.
they cant recognise the bad stuff.
and men are like white blood cells
and fight all the bad stuff to keep the red cells healthy.


thats pretty much the split.

>>40957354
not me, nah

>>40957366
so that means that women who aren't comfortable to be around are literally worse than useless, got it. I think most men already understood that much, you just aren't allowed to say it out loud which is why you had to say it in this roundabout way. meanwhile "men are worthless unless they do something" is more or less internalized with scars in the heart of every single man in existence.

>>40957188
>entire thread is men attacking and disparaging women
>”This proves men are being victimized and women don’t care!”
You are either completely illiterate or delusional beyond saving.

>>40954093
Are all men equally self abusing? Are scared, 19 year old conscripts forcing each other to go to war or is there state and police involvement? When male babies get their penises cut, are other babies performing the operation or is there a different character to the men and women involved?

>>40954093

This is an insightful comment, or it would be except terfism is specifically about taking medical autonomy and agency away from trans women even if it leads to cis people losing autonomy and agency in the process. If your chain of reasoning is "we got 'tired' of the minority oppressing us so we exterminated them," you probably weren't being oppressed, rather got swayed by political agitation and incitement.

>>40956957
Babe, just because you don’t understand how a single example deflated your entire screed is not my problem. Then you called me an idiot, and are still crying about me replying by calling you insane. You are literally a mouth breathing, crybaby manchild who can dish it out but can’t take it and hasn’t expressed a single opinion worth listening to. Bye bye now!

>>40958369
My comment had literally nothing to do with TERFism.

>>40955448

This is entirely circular reasoning. Are you saying men are more empathetic? Are you saying empathy is bad? It's stuff like this that makes prejudice seem so chimplike to people who are observing it from the outside and deal with individuals based on provable facts.

>>40954093
>men chose to get circumcised
>i'm empathetic

>>40958399
Baby boys are not choosing to be circumcised? Adult men are circumcising baby boys.

I swear to god the collective IQ of this board is lower than my shoe size holy fuck.

>>40958399
Abraham circumcised himself

I just hate women, they are worse than jews and should have had no rights, we should kill and rape more foids

>>40958376
It didn't though, you insufferable bellend. It just proved that you're willing to dehumanize half the planet over a tiny minority and justify it with a bootstrap that is the same excuse authoritarian regimes use to justify human rights violations. The fact you can't recognize that shows you are either a troll, or so headass that the hypocrisy of your actions is lost on you.

And I'm not crying about anything, I'm cringing at your bullshit.

>>40958417
>Adult men are circumcising baby boys.
just men?

>>40958417
>Circumcision choice most often made by the mother
How are men responsible for that. You're a retard.

>>40957057
>whore paid to kiss the freakshow and is obviously not taking it seriously
Great example

>>40958476
yes, harmful things can only be done my men :^)
women have no agency so anything bad that happens they are made to by men or it was just men without them being involved ever

>>40958522
99% that's a tranny but ok

>>40956518
sorry i falled asleep

>and yknow why this is? its not due to misandry, its due to transmisogyny. youre stupid as fuck.
Obviously transmisogyny exists, its misogyny carrying an inflection of the person being trans; "transwomen are worthless because they can't give birth" its misogynistic because it centered the locus of personhood for women on the ability to bare children but also carries the complication that subhumanity stems from the issue of being trans. Saying that transwomen are duplicitious rape machines trying to get access to women's toilets in order to rape women has nothing to do with misogyny, the locus is squarely focused on hatred of men. I think you are using words without understanding what they mean.
>>40956407
>no they dont
They do, and you can go verify it yourself by searching misandry in any FTM forum, actually the topic is so common that outstide of feminist / MRA spaces the most common place on the internet discussing misandry is FTM forums.

>>40955642
>You are getting at a truth here but I think you need to redefine/reclassify "empathy"
I agree empathy is way to imprecise maybe something like denialism is a better word? the other tripfag is apparently a ciswoman and identifies as a feminist and she simply refuses to accept the notion that you can discriminate against "men" for being "men", she also completely fails to acknowledge the basic self-evident truth that TERFism, derives much of its ire by focusing on hating transwomen for apparent male traits - invading public toilets to violently rape women, something that is completely ignorant of the actual nature of sexual violence against women and essentially just a lurid slur against men in general. Any concession that there does it exist discrimination against men qua being men has to be rewired through misogyny or patriarchy. You also see this attitude with women mocking men for high suicide rates, social isolation, men falling behind women in terms of income etc.

>>40958313
>OP says misandry causes women to be hostile because it threatens their worldview
>thread is full of women saying misandry can’t exist because it threatens their worldview
so yes, OP’s point about women and misandry is correct at least as far as the thread is concerned

>>40955353
Well we did solve it and it was unsolved after women got the right to vote.

>>40960461
Yes and it will never matter anyway

>>40960461
Another strange thing i notice is with the concept of patriarchy, obviously derived from gramsci's hegemony or something downstream from that. Its meant to be a pervasive cultural force that codes for masculine dominance or whatever which is fine and has some validity atleast, but women use it to literally mean a shadow cabal of men planning out everything. Like if you bring up issues that effect men they will go "this is just the men in the patriarchy making the decision to do this to themselves". This is very similar to Hitlerite style 'socialism of fools' style antisemitism which may also provide for some explanation to the reactionary transphobia present among feminists and ciswomen more broadly, transwomen are literally patriarchs sent by the shadow council to rape women in toilets and steal all the welfare benefits or whatever

>>40960519
patriarchy is a thought terminating cliche that means nothing other than that you have brought up an idea that makes them uncomfortable and they view patriarchy as an Uno reversi card to put you on the logical defensive and explain how whatever you just said wasn't somehow actually men's fault.
It's more like a sign you have said something taboo because they don't bring it up on their own unprompted, just where they need a deus ex machina to overlook the antisocial behavior of women

>>40960140
>Saying that transwomen are duplicitious rape machines trying to get access to women's toilets in order to rape women has nothing to do with misogyny, the locus is squarely focused on hatred of men
while hatred of men has somewhat of an influence on that, we still shouldnt call it misandry. its transmisogyny through and through, especially because theyre dehumanized by being compared to men. men on the other hand cant be dehumanized by being compared to anything because theyre just men and thats it

>searching misandry in any FTM forum
actually that would only bring up results from the stupidest people, which i guess proves the majority of ftms are as stupid as cis men when it comes to advocating for mens rights. if they werent stupid, they would shut up about it and blame only themselves for not trying hard enough to pass or whatever it is that brought violence upon them. the "misandry" most ftms refer to is always just transphobia, and they should refer to it as such instead of pretending its something nearly on the same level as misogyny. its gross and has the same energy as the "all lives matter" thing.

>>40960461
it doesnt "threaten our worldview", the existence of men literally threatens our lives.

>>40953973 (OP)
I transitioned and my life is so much easier now that I actively start bullying any other man that starts crying about muh sandy muh JBP garbage.
Being a man is easy mode on every level and it isn’t close.

>>40960530
i know that it often operates as a thought terminating cliche but i am trying to steelman the concept because i assume some people are using it in good faith and have positive motives for using it - lots of political concepts that have validity get turned into basic meaningless slurs

>>40960548
>i assume some people are using it in good faith
you are assuming wrong
its just a way to npc-blame men for everything and make you be on the defensive
its the same category as
"if women are evil why do men run governments and have the most money" its just that argument into an ideology

>>40958417
>stop circumcising yourself stop circumcising yourself

>>40960589
if women didn't exist, circumcision would end overnight

>>40960589
male babies are rape machines they are born by raping their mother and then they make their mom chop off the end of their penis with their patriarchal rape powers and rape the poor nurses hand

>>40960644
I think its a form of symbolic castration- and a sign of female control over society - namely they could have castrated you, but have spared you that, instead they simply stole your MOST SENSITIVE NERVE ENDINGS so you can never feel the complete please a female can feel - so you know you are lesser and are humiliated at having warped mutilated genitals that you are required by females to hide anyways and also circumcised genitals don't show erections as easily - with an uncut dick the foreskin retracts when erect - an erogenous symbol to others - this is stripped away in a cut male - its a way of showing that females control male sexuality
they want it to happen, and could stop it if they wanted to

>>40960656
you should see how mental they go when you call circumcision what it is: genital mutilation, they completely lose their fucking minds at that, even though it objectively is and for the exact same reason its practiced on women. Its perfectly acceptable for women to go around saying "i have a preference for a genitally mutilated penis teehee".

>>40953973 (OP)
>"cis woman who transitions into a man" that's not a cis woman that's a trans man

>>40960672
when i asked my mom why she had it done - she tried to tell me she felt it made sensation MORE intense to have nerve endings removed
I don't think she really sees males as humans they are just devices to collect resources from and since I won't give her any I'm useless
circumcision is about showing men they are deeply powerless in a matriarchy

I'm a closeted trans girl and I find conversations about these kinds of things very frustrating. After a lot of thought, I'm come to the conclusion that I just don't agree with the mainstream feminist idea that we live in a patriarchy, as in the rule of men over women. I subscribe to the older idea that we live in a PATRIarchy, as in PATER's rule, the rule of the father and husband over child and wife. With the mainstream conception of the rule of man, feminism so often divulges into complaints about how random men in your life individually treat you poorly. Which is basically useless for changing the world, because YOUR individual experiences do not necessarily reflect the experiences of all women around the world, and men can use the exact same method to argue that we live in a matriarchy and completely nullify your point.

>>40960741
It seems to me that there’s a general problem in the left (and possibly/probably across the political spectrum) of thinking about societal issues in terms of the behaviour of individuals rather than the behaviour of systems.

>>40960778
no there's a female behavior problem, and people like you make it worse

>>40960741
Part of the reason I came to this conclusion was because I'm a communist, and when I look at OLD Marxist analyses of the patriarchy, I do not find complaints about how all men all horrible to all women for some reason, I do not find people saying 'men suck' or 'kill all men', I find discussion of how the oppression of women originates in the state's laws and the system of private property.

When we look at OLD Marxist texts, the authors go out of their way to find the connection to the property question. In the classic family, the father makes all the money for his wife and children. This naturally gives him an economic position of dominance. The many regulations of marriage essentially put the wife in a position of serfdom. Women are oppressed, but not by all men equally. They are primarily oppressed by their husbands and fathers, who have financially and legally sanctioned positions of dominance. Today, the position of women as wives has improved in many (though not all) countries, but her daughters and sons are just as oppressed, by both mother and father.

Anons in this thread argue over whether men or women are responsible or the genital mutilation of children, but the truth is it's not about male or female but parents and doctors. Children are basically property, in part of the parents and in part of the state. Just as the Roman slave could be mutilated with a branding iron, children can be mutilated with circumcision and forced intersex operations.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/
https://www.marxists.org/archive/eleanor-marx/works/womanq.htm

>>40960847
you might like: this: https://endnotes.org.uk/articles/the-logic-of-gender

sociology and feminism relation to it has severely retarded feminism and pushed it into the domain ephemeral cultural warfare

>>40960741
>I subscribe to the older idea that we live in a PATRIarchy, as in PATER's rule
How can you subscribe to an institution that as already become obsolete?
Not only have things changed with the massive entry of women into the workforce, but in most European countries and social-democratic governments, single mothers, who have been an important part of family formation for at least four decades, are given a host of benefits, both for finding work and directly in monetary terms. Men, for the most part, don't play a major role in their children's education, and the nuclear family is an American kitsch that also seems to have been disappearing there for some time too

>>40960888
Very interesting article, though I didn't completely comprehend all of it and was kinda skimming it. I'll probably have to reread it. Do you find it lonely to be interested in feminism from the perspective of the property question?

>>40960538
>frog voiced roastie bullies men in their imagination
ok sweetie. so weird how all ftms just talk like retarded women though and make hilarious obvious lies just like them

>>40961655
What are the most obvious lies women tell?

>>40953973 (OP)
Do people not remember that incels also hate men too? Specifically the "Chads" who get all the girls they would want?

>>40953973 (OP)
a lot of women are like billionaires, they don't know what it's like to be poor, and they don't want to know.
Their existence is people appealing to them for no other reason than the fact that they're a woman.
Even fat women have the ego of a Fortune 500 suit.

Misandry is entirely fictional and is the male equivalent of white women co-opting minority identities for back pats
4chan is so out of touch with history though so I don’t expect it to reach anyone
If you genuinely think you’ve come across an instance of misandry, you were actually dealing one of these
>misogyny
>child abuse

>>40960741
This is how I know you never girlmoded in public
The random men in your isolated life are very much a threat and are ripples of that worldwide misogyny

>>40956717
>pointing out misandry is misogyny
yeah that about sums up how most women take it, thanks for the standard script

>>40962849
Lmfao

>>40953973 (OP)
Here's the answer mate. Men have original thought, women do not. This is why we can adapt and do everything on a much higher level than they could ever hope to achieve. They can only copy on a very superficial level but they have no ability to actually create new thoughts out of nothing. Best they can do is flip existing copied superficial knowledge around and make limited defined guesses. It's why you must always lead and deal with shit and why you must control her so her emotions don't make her do something dumb. It's also why women can't lead, can't be good teammates, can't invent anything or advance human evolution. Men are the tools for human evolution, advancement, combat, solving problems and to lead women since women lack originality and must rely on us due to this. Women are there for assist, support, hosting the baby during pregnancy, positive motivation through having good sex. Women act like delusional children and fake everything about themselves because mentally they never outgrow being a 4-5 year old even if they claim they do. It's all a lie because they are so weak compared to us that their inferiority complex is controlling her interactions with men. You gotta find a way to fix the complete logical failure in their thinking even if you have to do it by force. We're suffering now because we're just letting their emotional and nonexistent logic go rampant.

>>40963671
Men are so shit at leading society

>>40963671
To course correct we need special laws that are based on the reality that women can't think for themselves and must copy but men can. We need special schools to acceralate boys and men's understanding of this and a modernized female version of lady schools to update both gender's roles in life. Once the baseline is set and both genders are stabilized we let them do their thing and explore life with this reliable understanding always with them saving them from insanity.

>>40963686
Right now there is no teaching and every man must suffer through countless lies from women's failed understanding and it takes a really long time to reverse the mistake and figure out what exactly is wrong. By the time most guys are aware of it now they have to reverse whatever crazy accidental brainwashing happened in women and made them completely intolerable people.

>>40963716
But preventing the mistakes from happening and teaching every new generation about the original thought gift men possess will give kids the understand we always wanted and had to figure out for ourselves with not only no help but with countless things getting in our way. If we do this properly we will fix just about every possible problem in society.

The black pill is that trannies will never be safe or have rights if they keep trying to work with feminism it will just be an endless cycle of cis women wielding there false victimhood statues under feminism as a weapon to bludgeon them with as their simps physically attack them in there name.
The only way for trannies to be safe is to oppress cis women and feminism to the point that they live in a state of constant fear.

Women have no agency and are not human in the same way we men are. All problems should be blamed on men. Misandry is just men hating other men. Women are simply out of the equation. Not being able to do a paternity test in certain european countries is men wanting to cuck other men. Men being forcibly conscripted to war in ukraine while the women stay is: men wanting more power. Men in usa being circumcised at birth is: men fuck each other up right when they are born. Constant prices inflation and unlivable wages is: male greed.

>>40963736
In the past violence used to solve women's stupidity because we just preventing her from doing dumb shit via a slap or two. But now that we stopped hitting them we need a new method of prevention and doing everything perfectly from the start of every generation is the only answer. I understand the difficulty of this insane and simply allowing men to hit women again without risk of jail is a much faster and easier solution but if you truly want to remove violence from society you must also solve all the problems that violence used to prevent.

>>40963771
And as far as you lgbt folk. Idk what mental illness it is but I know it is one. We can't fix you yet but maybe we could organize to give you a corner of each country where you all live with eachother and don't bother the rest of us with your craziness. make your own mini-society in the same area where everyone knows you are and if we'll send anyone else that happens to also have gay illness to you. Anything else u fix via working yourselves and trading yourselves and the occasional improvisation. But show up in "regular" mode if you wanna be around regular people and keep the weird mode for your own area k?

>>40963816
sry for types too lazy to correct but the meaning should be clear enough.

>>40963771
You don't need violence, you just need a good shake or slap in most cases to bring her back to the physical reality. Spanking optional

>>40960594
Its a ritual created by men and uphold by men. Most women think dicks are ugly either way

>>40962714
Yes yes, girls forced to carry their rapist incest fathers babies to full term when they are just little kids themselves. There is nothing as horrible that men go through. Men have easy lives imo

>>40963671
Men ain't really creating anything, they always need someone other to tell them what to do and they ask no questions. Biggest sheeps there are desu.

women can't do anything wrong, only men can do evil, that's why men are transitioning to female, who wouldn't want to become the sex that can do no wrong?

>anti-misogynists deny that misandry exists
>anti-misandrists deny that misogyny exists
The prospects for defeating gender essentialism are grim.

>>40963941
>women forced to carry their rape babies
like 0.1% of the female population has that problem and they aren't speaking english

>>40964023
well, also, you can drop off unwanted babies at a hospital or fire station
the fact that society is centered around men being willing to get ultra violent with anyone who dares impregnate a woman but isn't chad I think says all you need to know about gender relations

>>40964033
>curse a child's entire life by denying it a mother's love because you wanted to continue partying
John Lennon was right

>>40954093
They will never understand sweetie

>>40964058
um the situation is a woman who was raped, I feel like she gets to not keep it in that case, you know what honestly I don't believe in rape I just think women make a huge fuss to flex their power and have men caged who they don't like sure sometimes women get fucked by men they don't like but I just don't think its that bad and they exaggerate how bad it is to create an entire cottage industry of sympathy farming
the behavior of women has given me zero empathy for anything they experience that they sell as unpleasant or traumatic because when they are causing you trauma they clearly don't give a fuck so empathy is a one way street for women i.e. just something you have for them but they don't care about you, a low status male, at all, and women are homophobic as fuck and will never admit that outright

>>40963941
you'd think women would be smart enough to know what's coming and cool it with the hate speech, but nope they had to help Trump get elected and roevswade their dumb asses

>>40964120
conservatism is doing the will of women, all those weird rules, women want them, even shit like "you can't touch a woman's bare skin" they have in afghanistan - women want that shit - the sooner you realize this the better
people say women have no agency but really men don't they are just violent npcs doing whatever women tell them to do

>>40964093
Women are their own worst enemy. The girl that cried rape gets to fuck over all the future real rape victims.

>>40964147
women already don't even recognise male victims of molestation and rape, it doesn't even exist to them, they are emotionally solipsistic.

>>40964180
because rape exists to farm attention and validation for a female
male suffering doesn't accomplish that goal, so why care?
women have absolutely zero empathy they are 100% sadistic psychopaths except for lesbians, who are cured by their intersex genes

>>40964090
What is wrong with men desu. They should calm down

>>40964023
Men will never have to go through something so terrible. Also being forced to marry your rapist

>>40964210
>>40964180

>>40964180
>they are emotionally solipsistic.
why care about others when you can just shame men who dare to claim you are anything but empathetic?

>>40964147
Men have never really cared about rape victims unless its their own daughter and barely even then, considering how common incest is. Often men protect the rapist so of course men would pretend that rape does not happen cause it would ruin their fishing buddies life.

>>40964236
you have to pretend to care about rape victims or you get painted as a villain and socially excluded
women use rape victimization to maintain control of society
anything that paints them as innocent victims is exploited and exaggerated to the fucking max

>>40964212
Male on male rape is something that men have to solve by themselves. My country has unisex sex crime laws and its 90% of men doing SA.
Having another man to rape your butthole is nothing compared to being raped, getting pregnant from it and then having to carry that baby to full term.

>hillary moment
bait's getting a bit too obvious

>>40964245
Of course antisocial people are shunned away from society and thats good! Everytime a bonobo gets violent, he is expelled from the tribe. Only peaceful people should be part of the "tribe". Violent people have no place in society.

>>40964245
Yet men can rape and continue their lives like nothing happened. Men don't care. Good that women care.

>>40964286
but anon, women are the most antisocial of all

>>40964321
Based on your feelings, not reality

women don't see men as people

>>40953973 (OP)
Yes. Women usually 404 when I tell them that I want to get pegged and that I think women are superior to men subconsciously and can't help it.

They either think I'm a rapist school shooter, or they think I'm a faggot. There is no in-between.

Literally all you have to do to make a cis woman malfunction is say "okay but will you peg me or not?"
>>40954093
>The gender that consistently scores higher in empathy does not have a problem relating to men’s issues.
They do have a problem. No amount of "empathy" works, since men's experiences are so wildly different. It's empathy completely without understanding or sympathy when they try. Usually, only trans women get it on the rare occasion they're not performative or agp gooning to female politics.
>The mismatch is that men blame women for misandry, when men are largely self-abusing.
I don't see men running around with rape statistics and calling people mysogynist pigs for daring to not like being needlessly profiled when all they ever had to say was "not all men" and they could talk about rape all day without being racist to men.

>Men’s inability to make friends, men going off to war, men getting their dicks mutilated, this is all being done by men to other men.
I wouldn't undercut the trauma and demonization and segregation inflicted onto men by women. But say it is that we have a patriarchy that ultimately supports misandry and women are just starfish and have no power in our society. Why is shouting "mysogyny" in order to make men even more hateful toward each other at women's benefit something I should be okay with?
>We are just tired of men blaming us for their choices and problems.
Then stop treating men like we're not people. Stop being a feminist. Stop using your woman status as an excuse to worsen men's problems and shut down any attempts to fix them and justify stepping on and dehumanizing men.

>>40964412
Women not wanting to have gay sex with men is not opression

>>40964447
women semantically cannot have gay sex with men

>>40954093
>higher empathy
>these problems are yours stop bothering us about it
tbhon it's not your problem i'm just jealous of women for existing and i wish i were one

>>40964447
>Women not wanting to have gay sex with men is not opression
That's not what I was saying at all though. I don't actually expect women to want to peg me. I just say that because it fucks with their cute female minds I feel that way about women and screws with their worldview(though in the unlikely event one of them called me out for it(they won't), I would be forced to try it.). Their worldviee either compells them to think of me as a fag or a dangerous incel after I claim I want to be pegged, so I get to either call them homophobic/bigoted or insane/morally bankrupt respectively. Right now, you're being homophobic. Pegging is not gay sex and you're reducing men to their penises.

Wanting to be pegged doesn't make me oppressed, no. But misandry does, which is exactly why I want to be pegged and forced to read radical feminist literature(propaganda) and be told what to do and think so I don't get abandoned to the swaths of men competing for her attention.