Thread 40959178

Trans activists
>AGP isn't real, it undermines the fantasy that I am really internally female so I have to undermine your sexual orientation! Why has the LGBT movement lost all of its momentum?
Conservatives and TERFs
>AGP is a disgusting narcissistic malebrained fetish, no I haven't read Men Trapped in Men's Bodies, who are Anne Lawrence and Michael Bailey?

>>40959178 (OP)
AGP is real and a greater or lesser component of individuals’ psychology. There is no other reasonable stance

>>40959190
I'd say its greater, sexuality is a fundamental part of the human experience.

>>40959178 (OP)
> trans activists
go back to twitter if you want to come here and call us all "activists" baka

>>40959562
You act like you represent this entire board, but many people on this board accept the existence of AGP just fine.

>>40959178 (OP)
>undermine your sexual orientation
What are you talking about???? AGP is kinda sorta real, but it’s drastically overstated and weaponized to draw a line between “good” and “bad” transgenders. Blanchard Iranian is given way too much credit around here.
Also snakes are cute, I hope that the two headed snake can still enjoy a good quality of life even with such a birth defect.

>>40959668
The theory is weaponized by people who don't understand it to attack trans people, but it actually isn't anti-trans at all.
Neither HSTS nor AGP are more valid than the other.

A lot of people who have AGP have normal lives and don't transition. They find ways to cope with AGP without harming people, even if it means crossdressing once or twice a week or having a female persona outside of work.

If the person goes out of their way to harm people, then that is definitely of something of concern.

>>40959782
I actually think AGPs would benefit enormously from a breakdown of gender roles.
Allosexuals don't have to hide their relationships from the world, why should we?

Do women with bimbo fetishes that get off on being seen as hyper coded versions of their gender count as having AGP?

>>40959782
Are you insinuating that transitioning is harmful to those around the trans person?

>>40959853
Maybe?
You could probably also say that a lot of male bodybuilders are AAP.

>>40959940
I would say that they do yeah. They get off on that shit a lot lol.

>>40959178 (OP)
Does anyone still think agp isn't real at this point?

>>40960557
Aside from the usual copers, it seems that AGP is starting to enter the cultural subconscious, but unfortunately via conservatives and TERFs who are maliciously redefining it.

>>40959178 (OP)
Blanchard, Bailey et al. aren't really that much accepting of AGPs either, the paraphilia label is a prime example, they constantly paint us as "actually males" and faketrans.

>>40959697
>Neither HSTS nor AGP are more valid than the other.
this must be spoken out loud

>>40959853
I'd say so, but it's hard to tell, there aren't really any actual internet forums or communities where you could just ask a woman with a bimbo fetish what does she think, it's just mostly men lusting over them and them putting a paywall around themselves so that they can afford surgeries

Still this is probably one of the best examples of cis agp

>>40959940
I wouldn't be so sure about that. Women with bimbo fetishes are becoming hyperfeminine versions of themselves mostly for a fetish. Would you tell that that men becoming hypermasculine through bodybuilding are doing it for a fetish? maybe some

>>40960557
agp would be real even if only one person reported it, and i do, therefore it's real, case closed

>>40959178 (OP)
AGPs make up the majority of trannies who transitioned in the 2010s. theyre genuinely horrid from a hussy perspective but hussies need AGPs in a strange way. i do however think were getting an entirely new kind of tranny transitioning in the 2020s, and its going to be rather spicy.

>>40961949
>an entirely new kind of tranny transitioning in the 2020s, and its going to be rather spicy.
They're called boymoders/manmoders

>>40961949
what's so horrid about us?

>>40962007
>They're called boymoders/manmoders
no, these are unrelated and are rather stages/failstates of transition. im talking about fundamental motive for transition.

>>40962008
in short, youre psychologically heterosexual. thats something that fundamentally alienates you from hussy types who are psychologically homosexual.

>>40962017
>straight people and gay people are fundamentally different
thats the reason? should straight people hate gay people bc they are different?

>>40962034
>should straight people hate gay people bc they are different?
no but they do. its not a conscious thing, very few straight people are fundamentally friendly to gay people.

agp is a cis male phenomenon, it has zero similarities to trans, like literally trying to compare a different species

>>40962037
oh ok

also, do you actually believe in the dichotomy? bc from what i know, it's more like non-straight trannies are more likely to be agp than straigh ones but every possible combination exists

>>40962040
i am transf and i get aroused when i imagine myself masturbating as a cis baddie, am i not agp by your standard?

>>40962043
i believe theyre fundamentally different motivations. the HSTS relationship to women is an intensification of the gay male relationship to women, passed off with "if i walk the walk i can take the label". the AGP relationship to women is actual identification with them, in the same way the historic western tradition of androgyny in art identifies the male unconscious with the female conscious.

>>40962046
agps don't want to be women, you don't get it at all. nothing i say will make sense to you since you're not a cis male. agp is like a hobby, not an identity lmao

>>40962055
>the AGP relationship to women is actual identification with them
>>40962057
agps don't want to be women


it really seems like everyone has a different definition of the term AGP on this board

>>40962072
>>40962057
this is actual nonsense, or AGPs wouldnt transition

>>40962040
I'm an AGP cis male, but damn I've been tempted by the idea of transition at times, also AGP often leads to dysphoria.

>>40959592
> taking anything you read here seriously
this board is half chuds and terfs

modern transgender movement heralds transvestism. cross dressing doesn't inherently have a sexualized component. transvestism is not medicalky necessary in the same way transsexualism is.

>>40962072
>it really seems like everyone has a different definition of the term AGP on this board
agp is the tranny version of "woke", it's meaningless drivel used to insult others or make themselves feel more feminine by doing the highschool meangirl routine

i honestly ignore it entirely despite being here often... there's no point of talking to people who adamantly attach themselves to labels... it's very male-brained, moreover... it gives "alpha/beta male" vibes

>>40963410
>agp is the tranny version of "woke", it's meaningless drivel used to insult others or make themselves feel more feminine by doing the highschool meangirl routine
It just isn't though? Its the sexual orientation underlying gynephilic transvestism and transsexualism.

>>40963410
TRVKE
or maybe i'm just retarded to the point when i unironically use the term agp correctly

>>40963606
its attraction to oneself as female. its not the same as being gynephilic trans, its not liking sissy porn, its not crossdressing, its not being a pervy tranny. its literally only defined as "attraction to oneself as female".

>>40963775
>its attraction to oneself as female. its not the same as being gynephilic trans, its not liking sissy porn, its not crossdressing, its not being a pervy tranny. its literally only defined as "attraction to oneself as female".
Okay, I'll backpedal slightly since I was too bold in what I said. Attraction to the self as female is the main driver of transition and crossdressing in natal males.

>>40963801
>Attraction to the self as female is the main driver of transition and crossdressing in natal males.
thats actually blanchards fairytale, it could be true, but theres no meaningful evidence and there are numerous countertheories that assume that AGP develops from gender dysphoria and not the other way around. but idk, it could be even both, there may be a feedback loop

>>40963832
Its hard to prove, true, but the idea that GD -> AGP fails to account for HSTS.

Truth be told, I don't really care all that much about this particular detail, what I care about is AGP being widely acknowledged as a valid sexual orientation.
Gay people have a script, they can literally come out by saying "I'm gay" (Of course there are variations in acceptance, but everyone understands what "I'm gay" means), AGPs don't have the same privilege.
AGPs face discrimination and ridicule for being "perverted crossdressers", I want AGP to be understood and accepted so I can live the life that makes me happy without sacrificing opportunities and relationships.

>>40959178 (OP)
>no I haven't read Men Trapped in Men's Bodies, who are Anne Lawrence and Michael Bailey?
they didn't even know blanchard lol
AGP is any tranny who disagrees with them lol or any unnatractive tranny

>>40963895
>but the idea that GD -> AGP fails to account for HSTS.
i have already discussed this on this board once and i remember having 5 arguments explaining it, one of them was that AGP/HSTS is a false dichotomy and that straight trannies also have AGP sometimes and blanchard admitted that this might be possible, there was some paper that has proven that straight trannies are on average less AGP than non-straight trannies but more AGP than cis women. the other argument i can remember is that when you are a boy into boys from an early age, you are far more likely to come up with the idea that you are actually a girl bc you know that its girls who like boys, therefore you transition earlier and are more likely to find an accepting community, therefore you dont have to rep for that long and repping is one of the supposed causes for AGP to develop. i dont remember the other 3 arguments but i have already yapped enough ig
>I want AGP to be understood and accepted
on the one hand, i get that too. on the other hand, i really dont want to be put into 1 box with sissy porn connoisseurs. personally i would rather prefer that autosexuality in general gets more understood and accepted, then you can just fit yourself into this label, kinda more convenient bc it doesnt have any connotation with weird fetishes

>>40963949
>one of them was that AGP/HSTS is a false dichotomy and that straight trannies also have AGP sometimes and blanchard admitted that this might be possible
>there was some paper that has proven that straight trannies are on average less AGP than non-straight trannies but more AGP than cis women
The best way to address this would be to redefine AGP/HSTS as a spectrum, there probably are edge cases of people who seem to be both.
>when you are a boy into boys from an early age, you are far more likely to come up with the idea that you are actually a girl bc you know that its girls who like boys, therefore you transition earlier and are more likely to find an accepting community, therefore you dont have to rep for that long and repping is one of the supposed causes for AGP to develop
Androphilic trans women are genuinely partly fembrained:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3180619/
But also, I experienced AGP since I was 4/5 years old, obviously not at the same intensity, but crossdressing would make me feel romantically flustered.

>i really dont want to be put into 1 box with sissy porn connoisseurs
Same, those guys are gross and their porn is gross, but, there are gross heterosexuals and gross homosexuals too.
>personally i would rather prefer that autosexuality in general gets more understood and accepted
I think the term "autohet/autoheterosexual" can work as an alternative label, also the "-sexual" suffix reinforces the fact that its a sexuality, not a fetish.