Thread 41009773

Conservative men suffer worse from gender roles than trannies do.

>>41009773 (OP)
unironically true, cisgenders are the greatest victims and proponents of enforced "gender ideology" in its most latent and traditional manifestations

>>41009773 (OP)
what is the problem with his statement?

>>41009829
>what is the problem with his statement?
Many people say that slavery is bad, yet conservatives basically believe that men are a slave caste for the purpose of keeping women entertained and making more conservatives.

>>41009773 (OP)
>Conservative men suffer worse from gender roles than trannies do.
Except they cause themselves to suffer

trannies intentionally make gender roles harsher and more binary to benefit themselves at the expense of others

>>41009843
>as if trans women who want to be submissive dolls don't believe the exact same fucking thing and that's WHY they want to be women to be pampered and stay at home while men provide for them, except without the making babies part since they are MEN

>>41009897
Joining the oppressor caste (women) from the slave caste (men) just makes it worse for the remaining slaves.

>>41009914
well, yeah, trannies are projecting here, they are just as much defenders of gender roles as conservatives
and they don't really join the privileged caste, they just are in some weird uneasy truce whereby women hate them less for being castrated

>>41009773 (OP)
Honestly glad this conservacuck died even though I voted for Trump.

>>41010023
He’s such an annoying pansy ass faggot, glad we have one less sissy boy in this world. Man the fuck up and grow up, no better then the self hating men who castrate themselves out of shame.

>>41009843
I like the idea that they'll even "make more conservatives" when half the people here are people that had conservative parents

>>41009829
Men shouldn't be enslaved to the happiness and wellbeing of women. Charlie thought we should be.

>>41009773 (OP)
it’s kind of self inflicted if they willingly subscribe to an ideology that enforces them

>>41009773 (OP)
so much of conservative male culture seems centered around deliberately making your life worse and then joking about how awful life is

>>41010059
I feel like most trannies here grew up with conservative parents.

>>41010580
Overcoming hardships is fun and makes life satisfying.

>>41009773 (OP)
>wahhhhh I'm expected to provide for the wife and children I chose to have before buying hobby stuff
What's wrong with modern moids?

>>41010606
The way the message is delivered is just as important as the content of the message itself

>>41009773 (OP)
If I had access to Koch money I'd happily preach this too lol
Dudes a multi millionaire at 30
>>41009829
If anything it's that conservative men are more likely to be deadbeats so they should be taught this

trannies are the biggest slaves to gender roles possible
how can you criticize others for doing exactly what you do

>>41010738
You can detransition at will and seitch back and forth if you really want to. Nothing slave like about that

>>41010595
hardships aren’t fun at all, you only feel happy when you look back and realize you overcame it and don’t have to deal with it anymore

>>41010738
The biggest slaves, sure trannies at least the straight ones. But those who suffer, who truely suffer are the cis men. And conservative men perpetuate their own suffering to an unfathomable degree.

>>41010874
gay trannies enforce gender roles too by trying to convince gay people to date the opposite sex

>>41009773 (OP)
I would agree if they ever actually practiced what they preached, but it’s all performative stuff they use to insult others and never actually have to give up anything so…

>>41009773 (OP)
Then they shouldnt keep enforsing them on eac other

Also not really ,in praktise this rarely happens
Its purely self inflikted if someone wishes to forgo some of their luxury spending for someone else ,whereas for other groups it is usually external forses penalizing them for disobeying their gender roles

>>41010829
Without peaks and valleys life is an aimless slog bereft of purpose. A slow euthanasia as you sink into the tepid water of nihilistic longing, wrists slit and oozing the draught of pointless ambitions.

>>41009829
If providing for someone is virtuous then your equally capable wife is just as obligated to provide for you and more importantly, you are just as deserving of that treatment

>>41011020
> equally capable wife
Oxymoron

>>41010884
You're just mad even gays get more pussy than you

>>41011029
If you really believe that then there is no reason to ever marry a woman

>>41011020
trannies are just as much female supremacists as the people they criticize
if a guy told you he wouldn't pay for your shit you would be livid

>>41009829
women(cis women) are stereotypically never satisfied

>>41011046
Maybe I just want to?

>>41011057
>trannies are just as much female supremacists as the people they criticize
>if a guy told you he wouldn't pay for your shit you would be livid
My interactions with passable trans women IRL have basically been acculturated prostitution. I wish it weren't so.

>>41011057
Not me I dislike fems who are not me and like most men because they actually have personalities

>>41011738
>acculturated
what

>>41011809
Everything about the way they interact with men is through that john/trick lens, even in regular social situations. Some of them are more clever about it than others. Think about the real meaning of the term "doll".

>>41010059
Most people have similar political leanings to their parents. We just can't choose not to be trans, which forces us to not be conservatives even if we grew up in a conservative family.

>>41009773 (OP)
>>41009858
How are you any different?

>>41011057
Not really. Most anon here are extreme masc supremacists. >>41010049 Note how even here, the guy being a piece of shit is immediately associated with femininity. And not only is masculinity the thing that defines all morality and capability, it's also such a precarious thing that is easily revoked.

I think the LGBT community now, at least on this board, is just as bad about forcing roles onto people.
I remember reading something upsetting by a butch lesbian, about why she only dates other butches because in other cases she was expected to always be unemotional and dominant and fulfill these strict masculine standards.

It's all so fucking toxic.

>>41009829
My girlfriend should provide for me and buy me silly outfits, not the other way around

>>41012043
Most of you are conservative in your ideology even though you are trans or gay.

>>41011020
so my wife should go out and make as much money as me? women have different talents. I go off to work while she gets pregnant, breastfeeds, makes food, educates the young children, and cleans up after all of us.

>>41009843
how are you this retarded?
legitimate question, because your statement is far from truth

>>41009858
Honestly I just want to be a feminine person who is also allowed to be useful and independent.

>>41009897
most of us over 25 have jobs. only rich people are single income households

>>41009942
These are systems designed to reduce people to objects

>>41009773 (OP)
This is why im a conservative, men should worship us like princesses

>>41009773 (OP)
lol nice ragebait

>>41013114
its true though

>>41010587
It makes me question a lot of trans and gay culture. It just seems to me by this point like it's guys who think they're women because they have emotions and aren't stoic robots. Or people who think that being feminine in appearance and aesthetic means they should be useless and submissive. Or women who think that a desire for respect and freedom means they must become men.

>>41009773 (OP)
I don't understand why so many young men look up to this guy when his belies are not at all friendly to gaming zoomers who want to sit back and chill in their youth. I know people in real life that glaze over his statements and beliefs so hard they have twisted him into an entirely different person. He's a born and raised bible thumper that hosts political events at the very church he attends and is practically wed to the GOP, but I talk to people who were flipping out over his death and they portray him as some kind of rational debate bro whose just asking tough questions with no bias or connections. Is it really just not being 80 years old that makes his ideas attractive to zoomers, even though most of his beliefs are identical to goofy ahh oldhead uncs no cap fr fr? Am I officially old now and out of touch?

>>41013277
>young men look up to this guy when his belies are not at all friendly to gaming zoomers

It doesn't matter. Since when has Trump really practiced what he preaches?

What matters is promoting the ideal of masculinity. Creating the justification for masculine dominance. Explaining why masculinity represents all that is moral and why it should be in charge.

And the end result is boosting Trump's own macho strongman provider image, his image of heroism of virtue, providing reasoning for why you can never have a female president.

>>41013352
And I should note that they'll always live vicariously through other guys, they don't have to be that guy themselves to uphold their ideal

>>41013200
>it's guys who think they're women because they have emotions and aren't stoic robots. Or people who think that being feminine in appearance and aesthetic means they should be useless and submissive
somehow, it's both of those combined

>>41013352
>>41013381
That's an explanation that makes sense but I really wish it wasn't and people had some self awareness. I know people whose main hobby is PS5, vape, and discord porn who listen to Charlie Kirk and love Trump.
>they don't have to be that guy themselves to uphold their ideal
Yeah, that's the frustrating part.

>>41013402
It's the fact that if people have just ONE nonconforming trait it snowballs.

>>41013521
women don't allow men to be non conforming at all

>>41013529
Maybe. I don't know anymore.

>>41009773 (OP)
It is better that he is dead. Protestants are a plague on the world.

>>41014451
>catholicucks molesting your kids is way better

>>41013352
>Since when has Trump really practiced what he preaches?
he's a tv game show host whose grandpa got rich owning a prosperous whorehouse in gold rush canada

>>41013107
good luck with that, dude

>>41010969
Nice middle school poetry

>>41014796
middle school sucked hard

>dorky man espouses society-preserving attitudes dorkily, overemphasizing some values and probably even memeing for attention
>"heh, what a chump! We should all just take downers, fund plastic surgery and cut!"
I hope none of you live in countries like UK, Netherlands or France, the consequences of your own political movements and the second order effects on demographics will have you ISIS-d in creative ways, within this generation.

Men trying to make families happen (because you can bet your ass women won't) are literally the only thing that kept the civilization alive post liberalism adoption. Now it's going to get replaced by patriarchy as imagined by tumblrites. Actual clans with clan heads and women as commodities congregating aroung a mosque, with no society outside of that. Hey, easy come easy go, right? Remember to ask for the tallest building so they don't drop you twice.

>>41014920
>gays are destroying society
>we all need to BREED
>bully the ones who don't BREED
>the book tells us so
>don't question the book

>>41014926
Commies are promoting a gay lifestyle of 47 years life expectancy and try to look down on actual culture that can propagate itself. You will not survive in your sick retardation beyond 2050. Nothing of you will be left at all.

Yes, people need to breed to preserve the values they developed. Imagine that, actual moral obligatgion besides "praxis" of shoving shit into your shit hole or going to piss parades. How aweful! Better camaign against family formation, that'll work out.
>it was da religun
you don't need religion to recognize survival is important. Core Chinese Confucian culture was basically driven by philosophy, with superstitions on the sidelines. You are the freak outlier, not all the human societies of earth up til recently. And you're without future.

>>41014950
nigga shit is just going to keep endlessly repeating itself because you and every other faggot is dumb as hell

>>41014950
>that can propagate itself
go live in africa if u want maxxed out breeding stats
you can still have babies without torturing gays

>>41009773 (OP)
Okay "Charlie Kirk" (totally not a dead person btw), I will just not have a family then

>>41015322
Torturing gays? Only parties involved in the subject that also do gay torturing are troonies demanding a faggot stick his meat in their colonic transplants.
>>41015322
No need to go anywhere, Africa is coming to YOU, you petulant little fool.

>>41014851
Relate

The true conservative position is being against gender roles. In the past things were much more relaxed and everyone did what needed to be done. The good guys lost btw the people you serve now killed them.

>>41016079
It's funny because you can basically legitimize everything by going back far enough in time, or not as far, etc. Nothing new under the sun. Conservatism is so silly.

>>41009773 (OP)
Misandry and gynocracy are so deeply embedded in our society that it can’t even be discussed in public.

>>41009829
It is an extreme burden placed on men. To make this an expectation is nothing short of cruel.