Thread 41013762

I think being trans is okay as is homosexual sex. I am not a Christian but I do think reproduction is a good thing. Why couldn't you just defeat his arguments? Why murder someone who hasn't hurt anyone?

The shooter was some white guy. But to answer your question, violence is an argument.

>>41013762 (OP)
Inb4 edgelord spam

>>41013771
>white guy
latinx aren't white

>>41013762 (OP)
Why don't you ask whoever did it?

>>41013762 (OP)
>but I do think reproduction is a good thing
another mindless slave of the matriarchy
we are all slaves to the womb monsters

>>41013762 (OP)
You're looking at a picture of a Bible literalist who decided to conveniently leave out the punishment for "being homo".

>>41013786
I'm asking you because it seems like the majority of you support his murder and some of you are taking credit.

>>41013762 (OP)
Brown people make us safer well just cuz ok chud! It's called being a decent person.

>>41013792
But in practice he treated gays well.

>>41013792
>noooo why couldn’t he just want to stone me to death like the heckin brownistians

>>41013794
>my source is social media, which is literally designed to keep me angry for engagement

>>41013762 (OP)
All he did was fan the fumes for widespread bigotry, racism and help fuel the election into us having a demented pedophile for a president, also bold of you to assume a leftist did it and not the many other possibilities of jew hating rightoids or anything else. go fuck yourself OP.

>>41013794
I'm about as lefty tranny as it comes and I think it's a shame society has degraded to the point assassinations are common place. At the same time, Kirk was not special. Public shootings happen every day. It's a shame, but if I mourned every unjust death I go mad with grief, and as far as people go, the kindest I can go for him "he was human too", which should guarantee him at least the protection of life in my eyes, but I'm not about to shed a tear for him either. World is going to shit, and I've been protesting against it every step of the way, idk what else you want from me dude.

>>41013762 (OP)
Charlie was an evangelical I'm a catholic
I don't like Charlie's version of christianity

>>41013762 (OP)
all he did was spam logical fallacies, lie, and gish gallop college freshmen on camera to make LIBTARD OWNED compilations for youtube
he didn't care about argumentation or debate. He never debated actual academics, philosophers, or theologians because he couldn't win a debate against anyone who wasn't a teenager. There are real philosophers who engage in real good faith dialogue about law, religion, and society, but charlie kirk was never one of them. He was a hatemongering theocrat propagandist who defended school shootings and got shot at a school.

Rightoids will post Conan the barbarian and be like he's literally me fr, smash wizards, then go nooo why won't you debate me, let's sit down and talk.

>>41013819
Who are the ones rejoicing over his death?

>he's not personally murdering people for being gay, how could you hate him
why are people like this?

>>41013819
>jew hating rightoids
is nick fuentes a suspect? he hated charlie kirk

>>41013811
But he picked the worst phrasing of all time.
And resented the unnatural order of homosexuals and transgendered people.

He appreciated how Leviticus spelled out, "God's perfect law". But that isn't necessarily stoning people and killing homos.
However, can you imagine ANY BETTER WAY to frame it than saying, "God said what He said, and it's goofy how gays were being compelled to be punished by BEING DEAD"

>>41013825
So why couldn't you just debate him and win and become the next big thing?

>>41013829
Who is murdering people for being gay?

>>41013840
I could win a debate with him, but it's irrelevant. The fact that charlie kirk has lost debates before changes nothing about the propaganda he's been spreading for over a decade

>>41013843
I think you are missing the point entirely that people have a whole host of ways to torture gays socially short of murdering them.

>>41013836
He opened up a platform for debate. Go up to him and make a good argument for why homosexuality is okay. Most leftists are dumb at shit at argumentation. It's a simple fact. I don't like DEI racial bullshit but males evolve to stick their dicks up other males asses, the anus came from the cloaca and animals are bisexual all of the time. Being gay is obviously natural. I can see why historically being gay was persecuted(because of disease and such) that was a pragmatic decision against the spread of disease and probably for social order but to a rational mind one would see treatment against stds and formation of new family structures as the answer. Christians are caught up in outdated supernatural beliefs and they are wrong but you have to show them..

>>41013847
>I could win a debate with him
of course you can you fucking bitch, HE'S DEAD!

>>41013819
>a demented pedophile for a president
like you have had with joe?
you just want to win, you're fine with demented pedophiles.
what you call bigotry is just an opinion you disagree.
people are assuming the shooter was transgender because they've found his rifle, and on his bullets there were lgbt and antifa messages.
he was 100% killed because of his opinions. he wasn't harmful and he wasn't violent. he was just talking and he got killed because of the rhetoric that "talking is violence", but he wasn't actually violent.

>>41013847
Then why didn't you?
>>41013862
I was bullied by my mom for being bisexual for many years and became homeless for a time. I still don't hate people because they're ignorant and can't understand that their religious beliefs are wrong.

>>41013862
I'm gay and I don't feel tortured by Charlie Kirk.

According to FBI statistics, male racial minorities are the biggest killers of LGBT people. Black men in particular kill gays and transgender women repeatedly. Charlie Kirk wasn't responsible for that.

>>41013888
>Then why didn't you?
because I never met him?
because it's a total waste of time to debate someone who's only interested in farming soundbites for youtube shorts?
because I have better things to do than engage with someone who thinks I should be stoned to death, and will never change his mind from my arguments?

>>41013888
women are homophobic demons, and people like Charlie Kirk did nothing but enable those women's worst urges.

>>41013890
men do physical violence at the behest of women.
people like you don't take emotional abuse seriously

>>41013780
here comes all the republiniggers already blaming anyone but themselves like alll the other right wing terror attacks

>>41013872
>Go up to him and make a good argument for why homosexuality is okay.
I can't, his artery exploded from 30-06.
>Christians are caught up in outdated supernatural beliefs and they are wrong but you have to show them..
I know, I was making a sarcastic post about how well people follow the Old Testament (pro fucking tip: no one does, and neither did Kirk). I was saying that his homosexual disgust is real but he never asked for people to die as per the WORD actually does.

I initially really don't get why this guy was a big deal. or even worth a "movement" via firearm.
But when you consider the nature of predation, it makes a lot more sense. Always attack the weakest of the pack for a surefire meal / result. Fucktard had no security.

>>41013899
Then you couldn't win the debate. You have to remain composed. Most leftists that debated him got asshurt and made themselves look stupid.

>>41013902
Idiot

>>41013801
>posts a white person

>>41013920
Looks Latino to me.

>>41013925
and you look retarded to me

>>41013934
you look hot to me, post ass

>>41013762 (OP)
No one here killed him why are you asking us.

>>41013911
yes, I could win an actual debate against charlie kirk
if I tried, charlie kirk's most common "debate" technique was to make as many lies as possible in a short period of time which is much more difficult to quickly disprove than it is to make up. Charlie kirk used to debate 19 year olds because they would flounder in situations like that and look foolish, which is the point of his "debates". Not to actually share ideas or convince each other of truths, but to lie and then embarrass "liberals" when they don't know how to respond.

>>41013762 (OP)
>Why couldn't you just defeat his arguments?
I probably could assuming he argued in good faith (from quotes it seems he didnt) but i didnt know about the guy before yesterday and i was neither in the crowd nor on the roof, so its a bit of a moot point

From the tweets people are posting (for AND against him) my impression is he was a bit of an accelerationist retard who was pro-guns unconditionally and anti-empathy. mourning him for being shot would if anything be a mockery of the ideals he stood for, but really its just a natural concequence of trying to restrict freedoms in the land of "come and tahe them"

"Man who's job is poking cobras bitten in unforseeable cobra accident". Oh no. Still, its a shame his kids had to see it

>>41013910
Regardless you're not making any argument for why homosexuality is okay and right wing people who hate it remain. Most pro-LGBT people just shame people and assume being gay is okay through dogma.

>>41013943
I dunno if the lesson is about gun control. I think the lesson is to do indoor events if you are remotely famous or controversial.

>>41013944
It's on you to show that it's not if you want something restricted. Otherwise, let freedom ring motherfuckers!

>>41013936
true, it was a redditor that killed him
>>41013941
you type like a destiny fan

>>41013965
>you type like a destiny fan
you argue like charlie kirk

>>41013954
That's not going to be persuasive by someone who believes the Bible. They could a because of disease spread. What's your rebuttal? I already told you I think it's okay because of
>>41013872
But you haven't made shit for a good argument. It's all just "I assume it's okay and if you have a problem with it you're evil."

>>41013972
it wasn't an insult it was a compliment, don't be a bitch

>>41013965
>>41013972
Destiny is a very evil creature.

>>41013771
>violence is an argument.
ready for the next debate?

>>41013944
I have to agree with this libertarian:
>>41013954

Kirk thought being homo was "an error". Which is superbly funny because it means God makes errors. BUT, to COPE with this, Kirk-adjacent people have to come up with the idea that "well, maybe homosexuality is just a curse by the corrupted parents and society, and not something from the womb's hormone levels and the genetic aspects."
The whole "God" as an day-one adjudicator thing but we're also born sinless due to Jesus's sacrifice is obviously no longer observed at a coherent level.

The only way out is to realize fetuses are sometimes made homo. Or bi, mostly. And often hetero. Which is part of the "plan" since God made us this way.

>>41013985
well you arguing like charlie kirk was an insult
when you can't justify your beliefs you resort to name calling, which is why charlie kirk never debated actual philosophers or theologians

>>41013935
I'm a chaser thoughever

>>41013996
So why couldn't someone go make an argument against him.

>>41014012
Did Kirk actually want discourse?
If we could discover that, we'd know by now.

But like most people that grandiose their belief system to better their ego, they often will not fight equals. They find morons to dunk upon.
Otherwise, they'd look like fools on their streams and quotes and other aspects of debate.

>>41013996
How was he a threat by saying "I think gays will go to hell but they deserve to be treated well like anyone else."

>>41013762 (OP)
tbqh charlie kirk's only notable quality is showing just how far normiecons have been dogwalked into schizo /pol/shit. like this dude used to be the face of romney republicanism and he died spouting racial crime statistics.

>>41013996
its just genetic, womb hormone levels have no influence, thus homosexuality is heritable and formally coded for, not an accident of mis-programming

>>41013947
I support the pro-gun principle argument AND the anti-gun practical argument. But really i dont care about this one either way. Its one isolated asassination, its not like it swings the needle in the face of the thousands of shootings this year alone. The more important thing to me is that this wasnt happening in say, 2016. Left wing exremists are increasingly starting to feel that they no longer have a choice but to violently resist the current conservative position. If conservatives push harder that window will only increase that pressure and we'll see more bodies stacking up on both sides as more and more moderates start running out of options

>>41014024
What was stopping you from showing up? . He didn't even graduate college.

>>41013998
never insulted you, you're attacking people for no reason, this kind of rethoric will backfire

Do you honestly think a trans person murdered Charlie Kirk? Really? How likely is that, given the vast, vast number of white, "independent" or conservative men with mental health issues and guns in this country? Donald Trump has done more damage to me and others than Charlie Kirk, and all his assassination attempts were by white male chuds.

I mean, I guess we'll see.

>>41013987
>Destiny is a very evil creature.
destiny is just edgy, he's not evil

>>41014053
So you honestly think blacks murder more blacks than whites do given all the le mentally ill white men? Oh wait! They do!

>>41014053
Not necessarily a trans person but a leftist and most trans are apologists for the killer.

>>41014069
per capita

>>41014025
He never said, out loud, "[gays] be treated well like anyone else."
If he did, please supply the quote.
Kirk did not like gays and thought them against the "plan" God laid out.

>>41014085
He said he didn't think someone's sexuality was what should define them.

>>41014091
Is that a direct quote? Because...

>>41014091
It defines me because people treat me like trash for being effeminately gay and people like him want me to be in the closet and repress and marry the opposite sex.
Do you think he had sympathy for gay kids who get bullied?

>>41014097
It's from a video where he talks to a gay kid. The kid says he's gay and Charlie says he's welcome in the movement

>>41014099
I don't know. He's dead. Most Christians believe people aren't really gay hence the conversion camps and shit.

>>41013911
>You have to remain composed
It’s easy to remain “composed” when it’s not your life or identity that’s being
scrutinized. I hate to be all 2014 sjw but they were right to say that to straight white guys these sort of topics are just a game to them because they only exist in the abstract
>>41013872
>make a good argument for why homosexuality is okay
Do you not understand the problem with this framing to begin with? That’s like saying “can you prove being left handed is ok?”. Just by framing it this way it makes it seem like the other side is equally as valid like it’s 2 sides of the same coin. Of course these debate bros always have to force this framing
>>41013944
I mean shaming is a powerful social tool it’s not like bigotry is based off of logic and reason in the first place so logical arguments isn’t always or even most of the time effective

>>41014111
>and Charlie says he's welcome in the movement
wtf I love compassionate christian conservatism now
lets be honest
conservatism is a smokescreen for letting women and heteronormatively allied men run amuck over gay people
you will never lead anything as a gay in a conservative world you will be given token bullshit as long as you are submissive and loyal and don't threaten the dominance of others over you

>>41014111
See thats the thing, i want to live as i see fit, not be tolerated so long as im convenient

>>41014131
Understandable. Does that justify hatred of the guy?

>>41014124
Welcome to the real world. Gays are a minority, always will be. You have to accept that. You also have to accept you will likely never hold the power the majority has. You either learn to live with the majority or site alone in a room fuming about it

>>41014138
yes
as someone who has been tortured by the rest of society my whole life for being gay your shaming games don't work on me
religious people are ultimately pushing violent tribalism under false motives

>>41014091
"I don't agree with your lifestyle. I don't think you should introduce yourself just based on your sexuality because that's not who you are.”
Correct, that's talking to a single homosexual student.

>>41014111
Right, he disagrees with homosexuality. He thinks it's an error. It shouldn't have an identity so it should be treated like an error. There's a precipice here where he ultimately does not treat this identity "well". If he thinks you're fucked up, will he honestly believe you're equal? Egalitarian? It's not a great look but your counterpoint is a good point to hold onto.

>>41014120
>Do you not understand the problem with this framing to begin with? That’s like saying “can you prove being left handed is ok?”.
But there are demonstrable ways where homosexuality was historically harmful such as disease and challenge to social structures. Those things can be largely fixed in the modern day but they're not wholly erroneous.

>>41014138
... does it in some way not? I will not live in ze box or eat ze bugs.

>>41013976
Usually it's about the tranny thing because I don't talk about my sexuality much but honestly at that point I just out myself and let them trip over themselves trying to create an exception for me on no evidence.
Did this at a press conference and a lady straight up stared at my crotch before deciding I was intersex.
BUT! If I'm intersex is it always gay to sleep with me, never gay to sleep with me, neither, or both?
>>41013996
Speaking of errors

>>41014138
yes
in fact, it justifies shooting him

>>41014146
Heterosexuals do not announce they are heterosexual during an introduction and if they did it would be weird.

>>41014160
If you believe that you're really sick in the head and I wouldn't mind if you end up in prison. You're a murderer apologist and sociopath.

>>41014164
they do when they say "and this is my wife tanya" or they mention "oh I just got back from a trip with my wife" it's casually embedded in language and custom and culture and YOU don't notice it, whereas gays have to be careful to not reveal their attraction or risk being ostracized by crazy people like you.

>>41014179
You're moving the goalposts.

>>41014164
That's kind of like declaring you're NOT an achondroplasiac to describe how you made it to 160cm tall.

OK, OK. But you mean like, "should gays have to declare?" I don't think he meant THAT. I think Kirk meant that he hated the celebration of Queerness. I really don't know.

>>41014177
but you believe that I'm sick in the head and wouldn't mind if I were in prison anyway
that's kinda why everyone hated charlie kirk and is happy that he's dead
your beliefs about me have not measurably changed, you're just offended that the people who you already hate are willing to hit back

>>41014187
many cultural labels are shared implicitly or indirectly and not through outright self annunciation
you are not acknowledging how much more taboo admitting one is gay is, since straight is the supposed default

>>41014189
I don't know. I am bisexual and I just know I can get my dick hard for a male or female behind. I don't even need a term for it.

>>41014192
I don't hate you but I think you are mentally sick. Not because of your sexuality but because of your belief that people you disagree with deserve to be murdered.

>>41014199
Or maybe he was just telling the guy: "don't worry about it. You don't even have to mention it. It makes zero difference to me."

>>41013762 (OP)
this is like the right wing kent massacre except he actually wanted americans to die in foreing wars

>>41014219
The subtle other message is "keep it to yourself". They do encourage gays to be repressed and closeted, that might not be part of his outright messaging, but that's the movement he's a part of and certainly the attitude at the churches he's endorsing.
People still get bullied and kicked out for being gay and coming out. His virtue was based on him being married to a woman and having kids.

>>41014220
I was driving through Ohio the other week and I passed a bunch of signs for Kent State, and it hit me that it was a real place, like I've only ever heard about it in movies and textbooks you know. I guess I should go back and see the campus for myself. It really spooked me to see all those signs. The government doesn't believe in gun control for itself.

>>41014225
But the point was that he showed personal respect in public. You didn't have to join his church..

>>41014062
destiny and kirk getting killed would be hillarious though

>>41014245
hasan piker is the most likely to get killed next

>>41014234
its not really respectful its just dismissive
if your thing is conservative christianity you are not helping gay people in any way
you are hyper focusing on this one particular comment when im sure he said a lot of other weird stuff about gays that im not digging up

>>41014233
>I should go back and see the campus for myself
why? is probably the same lame campus you could see anywhere else

>>41014254
idrk why normies hate hasan so much

>>41014272
spiritual significance as the place where the government said the quiet part out loud
some college campuses can be interesting to drive through, give you a feel for the area

>>41014264
How should he react to the kid saying he's gay?

>>41014225
This is probably the real story behind >>41014156
She can rationalize it all she wants but I was ok in her eyes cuz she couldn't tell. Nothing more.

>>41014279
saying that america deserved 9/11 gets all normies mad

>>41014286
"I'm not a natalist, I'm fine with you not breeding or acting girly or kissing other men in public. In fact, I think churches should marry your kind, too."

>>41014211
>people you disagree with deserve to be murdered
I like how you're framing this as just "disagreement"
charlie kirk was someone who hated me for who I am and nothing more, and believed that I should have less rights or no rights because of it. Charlie kirk believed that it is entirely moral for me to be tortured for eternity simply based on a difference of sexuality or identity.
he was also someone who made it his life's work to spread this ideology, and get believers of this ideology into positions of power in the government so that they can enact their ideology into law, and use real political violence through the inherent monopoly of force of the state to harm or otherwise oppress me.
yes, I do believe people like that deserve to die

>>41014296
So he has to believe that?

>>41014286
Id take "ok"

>>41014279
He mogs heavily and destroys the leftist basedboy narrative

>>41014279
hasan openly supports real terrorist organizations and stuff
also he has a really small head, he's like opposite charlie kirk

>>41014308
he's balding though

>>41013794
Nobody on the left seriously support murdering alt right influencers.

>>41014313
>he's like opposite charlie kirk
that's why he was so traumatized when he saw the video of charlie kirk dying, he knows he could be next

>>41014298
He didn't think you deserved to die so you thinking he should is obviously more fucked up than whatever he believed. Do you have solid proof he wanted your rights taken away?

>>41013762 (OP)
thoughts and prayers for more dead nazis! <3

>>41014317
a lot of commies and muslims do though

>>41014315
High test causes balding doesn't it or genetics

>>41014317
This guy does
>>41014298
By the way who cares what someone thinks will happen to you AFTER YOU DIE!? You're not alive anymore. It doesn't fucking matter. Scenario A. They're right and they tried to warn you
Scenario B. They're wrong and their opinion was irrelevant.

>>41014324
>Do you have solid proof he wanted your rights taken away?
I've seen enough of his beliefs, I'm not going to go dig up quotes
he absolutely did say that the bible says gays should be stoned to death, in response to being told "love thy neighbor". So I think that's close enough to "no rights, deserves to die"

>>41013762 (OP)
follow in your leaders steps

>>41014346
So you're not even sure and going off half ass second hand quotes? Any evidence Charlie Kirk wanted to institute stoning?

>>41014332
if that's true why is asmongold balding too?

>>41014303
no, he just has to say it out loud
I don't care if he thinks gays are grids apes
as long he publicly says nothing but encouragement for open homosexuality - I welcome his reincarnation

>>41014363
its not about t levels its about how your body processes dht

>>41014340
>By the way who cares what someone thinks will happen to you AFTER YOU DIE!?
morally there isn't really a difference given that charlie kirk believes that I'm basically just as alive after dying as before. I would still be a conscious, thinking human in hell, regardless of whether it's after my death or not.
obviously I don't believe in hell, but I also don't believe that there's any possible crime that could warrant eternal punishment.
so it's actually way more merciful of me to say that charlie kirk deserved to die than for charlie kirk to say that I deserve eternal torture, as that is an infinitely bigger punishment. But you don't seem to be particularly offended by that belief, so I assume you don't believe in hell either

all he did was talk to people

>>41014346
His last known words were defending his argument that we should be deprived of our 2nd amendment rights.

>>41014376
they killed MLK too for talking to people, makes you think

>>41014355
if stoning is his response to "love they neighbor", I can assume that he doesn't think too poorly of stoning

>>41014374
I think an eternal hell is silly so I don't bother being offended by someone thinking I will go there. And that's as someone who does believe in God. I know that God will not send me or anyone decent there.

>>41014372
>>41014363
asmongold's solution for balding is transitioning

>>41014387
you can believe what you want, but it's not what the bible says

>>41014385
He read Leviticus. He never answered whether he wanted it instituted.

>>41014396
Why should I care what the Bible says? I'm a Deist.

>>41014397
>he read mein kampf aloud to kids but we don't know if he wanted jews in concentration camps or not

>>41014397
unless you can find some quote where he says "actually being gay is ok and you don't deserve eternal punishment" I'll assume that the christian nationalist does actually believe the stuff he quotes from the bible

>>41014405
Perfectly possible btw but Leviticus is about Ancient Jews. Just cause ancient Jews did something doesn't mean he thought modern people should .

Why didn't the thoughts and prayers save him while he was in critical condition? Did we not pray enough or what?

>>41014409
And if he does so what? Christians are stupid. I don't hate them for being stupid. He gave people an opportunity to debunk his religion.

>>41014355
How much due dilligence am i expected to do before im allowed do dislike someone actively restricting my freedoms?

>>41014423
>And if he does so what?
well as we discussed, I think it's good that someone killed him
that's what
the world is better off without him

>>41014428
You can dislike them but you just shouldn't murder them.

>>41014412
he believe these books are all holy
he's elevating these books above all others
who cares whats IN the books
his actual beliefs were that gays were disgusting and everyone should larp as straight like he did
its petty tribalism nobody ACTUALLY cares whats in the books its just him defending that he married a woman and got paid assloads by koch brothers to lazy defend natalism to vulnerable young people

>>41014430
If.he genuinely believed that not out of hatred but because he just thought it was the truth then why should he deserve to die for it? What if he loved all people he just thought the Bible happened to be true?,

>>41014394
/ourgirl/ finally did it?

>>41014437
Or maybe he was genuine?,

>>41014082
everyone on pol was celebrating his death because he was a zionist jew or whatever

>>41014383
omg so true MLK Day should henceforth be Kirk-King Day (KK Day for short) and if another great prophet of social tolerance who name begins with and K dies we can add them too and re-adjust the name accordingly

>>41014447
I don't care why he believed it
yeah it sucks that he was indoctrinated into a hateful ideology as a child. But he believed that if his daughter was 11 and she was raped, she should be forced to give birth to it. So even his family is better off without him.

>>41014460
Not from what I saw. Even Nick Fuentes said RIP.

>>41014467
What are the odds that would actually happen?

>>41014468
/pol/ hates nick cuz he's latinx and gay

>>41014069
are you 14 or something? That made absolutely no sense and seems like an excuse to talk about Black Crime. If you're a kid I shouldn't be scolding you.

>>41014082
ok well that makes marginally more sense than suspecting a trans killer. What do you mean by "apologists", and what do you mean by "most trans [people"?

>>41014475
why does that matter?

>>41013879
There is 0 proof of joe being a pedophile besides him sniffing kids hair while being a dementia patient, i know you people are dishonest scumbags but that is quite different from being besties with a child sex trafficker and having a little girls naked body drawn on your birthday card from him. once again go fuck yourself rightoid

I wouldn't mind if all people who believe in god or religion passed on suddenly to the next world.

There’s a famous story in the New Testament about an adulteress who was about to be stoned by a mob, everyone knows it. Generally, Christians interpret the story about letting go of judgment (yet you who is without sin cast the first stone). Kirk’s take was the story is about condemning the woman as a sinner (go and sin no more).
I’m not happy that someone murdered Kirk, I’m pretty happy that he will never be elected to public office.

>>41014512
>I’m pretty happy that he will never be elected to public office.
you might say we dodged a bullet there

>>41014512
Here is the clip btw if anyone would like to listen to his interpretation for themselves:
https://youtu.be/ZgvKHXDhz2c?si=Lar9Q4RvZlNHuf2b
It’s noteworthy that he misidentifies the woman in the story (someone ACCUSED of adultery by an angry mob) into a prostitute.

>>41014376
True. Anyone else remember when all the Charlie Kirk supporters killed 6 million Jews and invaded Poland & France?

>>41014581
No and I also don’t remember that time when Adolf’s political career was prevented by an assassin’s bullet

>>41014558
see this is why evangelicals are retarded, catholics are 1000% better

>>41014595
Remember when the leader of the Jews said how brave Hitler was and what a good man he was on national TV?

>>41014376
no that guy did a lot more than talk, charlie kirk was just talk tho

>>41014434
Well its a good thing that the feds will never catch me (Anonymous Fourchannel), for the multiple murders i personally comitted

You would think that trannies, the most maligned group in the world right now, wouldn't advocate for the killing of people who you disagree with.
But then you remember that most trannies are just deranged fascist skinwalkers clawing for what power they can get in their powerless lives, as Uncle Ted observed.
It's crazy to have lived to see a time where the people being called fascists are the ones who support the free exchange of ideas and the ones who call themselves anti-fascists are the ones who think if someone disagrees with you, you should kill them.

>>41014603
there was a lot of talk in those days, leading up to more than talk

>>41014625
That nigga bbl is terrible

you trannies are kind of crazy

>>41014601
when the leader of the modern day nazis*

>>41014625
>>41014638
retard nigger

>>41014639
I hope we christians take over palestine/israel, jews and muslims don't deserve the holy land

>>41014638
There's a reason trannies are ostracized worldwide. It definitely has a connection with mental illness.

>>41014656
retard nigger

>>41014656
some people accept transness, some don't, the views are not universal
I think the people who accept trans folks are quieter than those who reject them

>>41014596
Specifically, the reason Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy are better (even setting aside any specific religious claims) is because what Christianity means is not up to any individual who just happens to be able to interpret letters as sounds. In Catholicism/Orthodoxy, there are thousands of years of experience that all have to be taken into account. This tends to prevent passing fads/new technologies from derailing practical social values that strengthen rather than tear apart societies.

>>41014655
For present-day Zionists, the Old Testament (Tanakh) and Mein Kampf have the same thesis.

>>41014647
sorry man
it's just the way you type
it's so, i dunno, neurotic. i couldn't imagine being stuck in your head

>>41014663
Yep, it works the same way with all forms of acceptance. Acceptance is passive. Acceptance renders the thing accepted invisible. Hatred is active. Hatred must do something to PREVENT what is hated from being invisible.

>>41014647
Wow bro don't shoot me now.

>>41014675
fuck zionism, the kingdom of jerusalem should make a comeback

>>41014656
>There's a reason trannies are ostracized worldwide.
>It definitely has a connection with mental illness.
It’s not just a connection — hatred of trannies (transphobia) IS a mental illness.

>>41014711
All these Palestinian lives are not lost for nothing. People will begin to Zionism for what it has always been since 1946: a continuation of Nazi ethnonationalism.

>>41014468
do you know what pol is tourist retard

>>41013943
>but really its just a natural concequence
Not really.

>its a shame his kids had to see
something that didn't actually have to happen. You're completely out of line.

>>41014702
Just stay away from kids and there won’t be a problem.

>>41014329
You really need to quit using that buzzword to try and justify your nonsense.

>>41014727
nta but if you think public shootings (including of children) are an acceptable price to pay for private ownership of firearms, then it stands to reason that you might not drag your kids into the killzone

>>41013762 (OP)
People did defeat his arguments. He made false claims all the time, with his intellectual superiors warning him that he was stoking the flames of violence. You can yell fire in a movie theater and say you did nothing wrong, but people trample each other running towards the door. He was a piece of shit and we can be glad he's gone without condoning violent murder.

That being said, we literally dont know the motive yet. The dude could have shot him because he didn't like his gum to teeth ratio.

>>41014747
can we ban the government from owning firearms?

>a random, unconfirmed individual kills him
>"why would trans people do this?"

>>41014778
only if we realize that our rights are not benefits provisionally provided to us by the government contingent upon our obedience

>>41014770
I hope the shooter is never found. Not because I endorse this or any political murder, but rather because I think we should have to grapple with all the countless answers to Why? rather than citing this or that and just moving on.

>>41014512
>Kirk’s take was the story is about condemning the woman as a sinner (go and sin no more).
Your youtube clip makes it clear that's not true. Calling someone a sinner is very different from condemnation and any Christian would know that. His response to that question was excellent.

>>41014558
>It’s noteworthy that he misidentifies the woman in the story (someone ACCUSED of adultery by an angry mob) into a prostitute.
Not really. Why do you think that's a relevant distinction here?

>>41014596
If this is a catholic's display of understanding then that makes my job as a protestant much easier lmao.

>>41014666
Catholocism has appended Christian doctrine with alchemic rituals, matriarchal worship, and the falsehood of salvation by works. That's not to mention all the modernist nonsense espoused by your popes that spits directly in the face of Christianity.

>what Christianity means is not up to any individual who just happens to be able to interpret letters as sounds.
Yeah it's about time Catholics learned that lesson and converted to Christianity already.

>This tends to prevent passing fads/new technologies from derailing practical social values that strengthen rather than tear apart societies.
Sounds like social engineering, a slip of the mask I would say. Suffice it to say this is completely aloof of scripture.

>>41014727
>Not really.
Oh well i guess that changes things then

>>41014778
Can we ban mossad from owning firearms?

>>41014747
Stop pretending he signed his own death note by not caving in to some gun violence rhetoric he was pressured with. We won't disarm ourselves in response to public displays of violence and he was right to say as much.

>>41014822
It doesn't change anything. You just were wrong about it.

>>41014841
Yes i see that now, well argued

>>41014829
mossad is an exception :^)
remember when the supreme court banned guns inside the supreme court?

>>41014179
Why yes, marriage is a heterosexual custom, good call. Why do your advocacy groups think it isn't?

>>41014852
You blaming a civilian for getting assassinated isn't much of a cause for argument. A mere correction should suffice.

>>41014730
>kids mentioned out of nowhere
Weird projection.

>>41014811
First of all, many thanks anon for watching the clip for yourself and coming to your own conclusions and posing good questions.
>Calling someone a sinner is very different from condemnation
You’re right, in the context of mainstream Christianity: sin and condemnation are not the same thing. In fact, that is the mainstream interpretation of this story and all the parts (Jesus admonishes the crowd for condemning a sinner when they themselves are sinners, Jesus sets aside condemning of a sinner, Jesus tells a sinner to sin no more) go together.
For Kirk, however, the parts do not go together but rather exist in tension. He sees one part, which he calls mercy or grace, as in tension with another part, which he calls truth; and he argues that one part can be overemphasized to the diminishment or exclusion of the other. For him, not condemning diminishes or excludes truth. Thus, for him an important part of being truthful is condemnation. If we don’t condemn sin, by emphasizes grace (mercy, forgiveness), then we lose sight of truth.
This is a major departure from mainstream Christianity, which holds that grace and truth are inseparable; that is, the highest truth is grace.
1/2

If i said what i believe in redneck alabama I would get beaten up, he decided to be an annoying fag where he wasn't welcome and got run out.

Simple.

>>41014811
Why do you think that's a relevant distinction here?
It is perforce relevant for people who think the Bible should be read literally (given that the words used are XYZ rather than ABC). In the passage, the woman is described as “caught in adultery.” Just taking the English words on their face value, the idea here is that someone credibly believes that this woman cheated on her spouse. Being a married woman whose neighbors expect to be a faithful wife is a world of difference away from being a woman who makes a living by having sex. I think Kirk makes this mistake because his reading of the story, per what I described above, emphasizes that the woman has factually done something that deserves condemnation — as opposed to emphasizing that a crowd of people are condemning her because they themselves are sinners Who are in no position to condemn.
Kirk mistakenly describes this character in the story as someone whose job (her public social role) is engaging in unlawful/taboo sex. But, if we read it in the mainstream way, the woman is a respectable member of society — her alleged crime is violating that role as respectable. And in that mainstream reading, I think the point is also not whether the woman is factually guilty of the charges, but instead the point is that the mob is condemning her precisely because they, too, are sinners.

>>41014960
Like I don't think he deserved it (his kids certainly don't), but I have to watch the government he supported deport random people around where I live and live in fear of them starting to harass me for being a queer.

I just don't get why I should feel too bad that's all, he never felt bad for any of those other people.

>>41014811
>Suffice it to say this is completely aloof of scripture.
Just like Sola This and Sola That. The Scripture did not come down to earth on a beam of light. it was received and created and conserved by a community living in a tradition of which it is a part.

>>41014870
I agree, i was totally convinced

>>41014960
This justifies every hate crime against a tranny ever. Don't want to be hate crimed? Don't be a tranny where you're not welcome.
Simple.

>>41014975
Sure those kids lost their dad, but so have a lot of others because this fucker actually pushed politics that led to that happening. If that isn't justice I don't know what is.

>>41014832
I’m not saying he asked to die. I’m saying that he said public murder was a fair price to pay. I suppose he must have included in the bargain when others, including people’s children, see other murdered publicly.

>>41014935
Just a slight repositioning of the rhetoric, considering Charlie’s entire grift was grooming kids

>>41014997
I diden't say it was right, I said that's how it is (because it is!).

Now retribution for all the people his team fucked over, now THAT's sweet. I wish we had half a countries worth of whiney fags for every soldier that dies for this country or tranny that kills themself, or family torn apart by ICE.

>>41014943
>For him, not condemning diminishes or excludes truth.
Again, no condemnation was made. What Kirk said was that grace should be given while also acknowledging the truth for what it is. The Orwellian experience of modern society is largely due to people feeling judged or condemned just because someone makes a basic observation about them. I'm reminded of a photo of a group of obese women ritualistically throwing a bunch of weight scales into a burning pile because they were deemed judgmental, even though their only function is to reflect the truth.

>>41014970
>Being a married woman whose neighbors expect to be a faithful wife is a world of difference away from being a woman who makes a living by having sex.
Maybe according to you, but scripture doesn't say anything about that one way or another. Why would it?

>emphasizes that the woman has factually done something that deserves condemnation
Jesus told her to sin no more. Therefore we can surmise she had sinned. The adultress/prostitute distinction doesn't affect the point made in John 8 nor by Kirk on the question he was asked.

>the point is that the mob is condemning her precisely because they, too, are sinners.
Sure but Kirk didn't condemn anybody in his answer from that clip.

>>41013762 (OP)
What he did might be only talking but not his fans, there are people who are harassing people just because of what he said, and that didn't start after the shooting, no, it started when he started "just talking", he was spreding hate, also you're overgeneralizing by saying that the majority of us wanted this, I think that a lot of us are really scared, we don't want more attention, yet for some reason no matter what happens we're the one that they blame for it

>>41014999
>Sure that family lost their kid, but so have a lot of other's because trannies push their agenda that causes vulnerable young people to troon out and kill themselves.
>>41015006
Gee I wonder why people don't feel sympathetic towards you people when you post a take as narcissistic as more people should feel sorry for someone who chooses to kill themselves as if that's comparable to being publicly executed in front of your family because you disagree with someone.

>>41015029
What about the other 2 categories. They diden't have much of a say in that, one of them even served their country.

Hell I never saw this kind of sympathy from you people until it was your little buttbuddy who got sent to hell.

>>41015002
>I’m saying that he said public murder was a fair price to pay.
He didn't say it was fair. That's a big word to put in someone's mouth.

>>41015040
Well i guess charlie did WANNA serve his country, but then he got rejected from west point and he tried to blame it on a lesbian. Dude was 1 lesbian away from being a war hero!

>>41015029
You do realize we get hate crimed more than these influencers, right?

I am afraid of leaving my house. Every time I do, there is some incident. My best irl trans friend got their shit beaten in. The way I see it and a lot of other people see it is that these influencers are pushing for violence against innocent and vulnerable people that are just minding their own business. But you never care and you have the audacity to act suprised

>>41015057
I hope hate crimes against trans people increase to the point where you actually stop taking hrt, instead of just complaining online.

>>41015012
>What Kirk said was that grace should be given while also acknowledging the truth for what it is
So we can rephrase this as
>do X while also doing Y
I just want to make it clear that Kirk sees this as a matter of X and Y; two different things rather than one thing. While the mainstream interpretation is that there is only one thing: grace (which is also truth).
Seeing that Kirk split truth away from grace like this, then you can also see how he sets the two in tension. So then the statement becomes
>do X but not the extent that it occludes Y
And that is the departure or, if you prefer, heresy.
>The Orwellian experience of modern society
I suspect we agree about this sort of thing in general terms, e.g., cultural and moral relativism being intellectually bankrupt. To escape that degeneration, however, is not to insist that reality is simpler than it actually is. I think we both know that things are not only what they most superficially appear to be, otherwise the weirdos who can’t even stand the sight of firearms would have a point.
>Why would it?
It does. There are actual prostitutes mentioned in the New Testament. But not in this passage. The particular words matter.
>we can surmise she had sinned
In the sense that we are all sinners, yes. But being a sinner does not make me guilty of adultery particularly.
>didn't condemn anybody
At the very least he condemned prostitutes on the basis of his poor familiarity with scripture. But in any case, his point here is not to condemn any particular group (in that moment) but rather to argue the thesis that condemnation is Christ-like.

>>41015059
this is why god laughs when your people get shot

>>41015056
>but then he got rejected from west point and he tried to blame it on a lesbian
is this true? I must know.

>>41015059
you don't know shit about trans people if you think this is how it works, you sociopathic vermin

>>41015062
I don't believe in god or trannies. I think you are just crossdressers.

>>41015019
Let me lay something down clear for you not that matters because you'll just cope and seethe instead of absorbing it.
Trannies are getting flak for this because of their reaction. People hate trannies, not because of Kirk, not because of the media, but because of trannies.
You will continue to blame the ragebaiters and grifters but you will never, ever address the problem which is that your community has embraced evil.
The belief that sharing ideas you don't agree with should be stopped is evil. These petty pseudo justifications are evil.
If you want to stop the second part of your post then shut the fuck up. Unless you're telling trannies to be less retarded, say nothing.
You are either willfully ignorant or delusional if you can't see how trannies bring this on themselves.
>>41015040
>you people
Who is that exactly? I don't follow Charlie Kirk.
I've come to realize in the last two days that trannies deserve everything they get. You're not moral, you're not good, you're just losing. You just don't have the opportunity to be scum. And this one incident shows that.
>>41015057
More of that childish narcissism.
>boohoo things bad for me so you can't say anything!
Trannies refuse to change. It is at this point psychotic to feel any sympathy for you people. Watching the mask slip has been frightfully revealing for me.

>>41015043
True, his exact words were even more vulgar; he said “worth it”.

>>41015070
>Trannies refuse to change. It is at this point psychotic to feel any sympathy for you people. Watching the mask slip has been frightfully revealing for me.

you never felt sympathy too begin with, retard. the virtue signalling you are doing is pathetic. i don't think it is narcissistic to always be nice to people and get ridiculed and humiliated in response and then feel upset about it.

>>41015069
If your not even christian then give it up, your wasting your time.

>>41015070
My dad was making fun of him, so was my mom. All the mexican kids were.

Your movement has made a lot of people very angry. Millions are praying for your brains to be splattered on the street and the flag to fly high because we didn't do shit until you fags showed up.

>>41015083
this anon has a strong point

>>41015083
I did. I no longer do.
>>41015086
>evil people are saying evil things
How does this help your argument?

>>41013762 (OP)
>all goebbels did was promote his opinions

>>41015100
They aren't evil. Many of us voted for trump because the conservatives promised us a hell of a lot.

Then they took off the mask, and your just too stupid to see that. All that's changed since Biden is now I am more afraid of the government intervening in my life, the economy is still shit.

So yeah, they can all go to hell. I know your just an idiot too sheltered to figure that out.

>>41015100
>I did.
That doesn’t seem credible. If all it takes to lose sympathy is seeing someone in a moment of frustration and anger (esp when that is understandable) then in what way did you actually have any sympathy to begin with?
At best you just blow around on the wind.

>I did. I no longer do.
we wouldn't be here if you people did.

>>41015104
well it’s a free country (until it’s not anymore)

>>41015070
I like how you assumed how I interact with the lgbtq community out of nothing, I think that this is why people hate the trannies, you didn't even ask anything, you just made assumption, you didn't try to understand where I'm coming from, you simply hate
What do you mean not because of the media? There are articles that are already blaming us while there is no evidence at all, they just blame us because they want us gone, not us as individuals, but everyone as a group
What exactly do you even want me to tell them? What part of them do you think is "retarted"? I have my own answers but I want to hear yours

>>41015112
it's a free country until anyone left of trump has something to say

>>41015060
>I just want to make it clear that Kirk sees this as a matter of X and Y
You're in no position to clarify how Charlie Kirk sees it because you're not Charlie Kirk.

>the mainstream interpretation is that there is only one thing: grace (which is also truth).
To imply that truth has no meaning separate from grace undermines the need to understand how great of a price was needed to pay for our sins. Without a truthful assessment of sin and the willingness to call it where we see it, we have no scope of what we ever did wrong that Jesus died for in the first place.

>The particular words matter.
Scripture doesn't make the distinction because it has no bearing on grace. You seem concerned about the social status involved with those labels, but God has no respect of persons so it doesn't really matter.

>At the very least he condemned prostitutes on the basis of his poor familiarity with scripture.
I don't think that stands to reason at all. Adultery and prostitution are pretty closely related such that one might use them interchangeable even if they're different in nuance. I think you're hanging him up on semantics here.

>but rather to argue the thesis that condemnation is Christ-like.
Again, no. He was asked about how his talking points reconcile with God's love. He pointed out how you can love someone without lacking the courage to point out their mistakes, which is a very Christian point of view. His controversial quote on empathy is likely an attempt at conveying this as well imo. Whether or not Kirk actually loved the people he criticized is an open question, but his answer in and of itself was good.

>>41015133
Yeah if you wanna come steal my shit and tell me how to live that's not a fucking disagreement that's a "fuck off". People disagree when one of them doesn't have their shit taken from when the other gets their way.

>>41015106
Dehumanizing people because of their beliefs and advocating for the death of people because they disagree with you is categorically evil.
The very notion that you are moral and that people who disagree with you are amoral and therefore without rights is the foundation of the belief structure that causes people to do violence against trannies.
For a tranny to celebrate that and uphold it is disgusting.
>>41015109
This isn't a moment of frustration or anger. This isn't someone being upset.
This is glee. It's pure, vile and evil.
This exposes that trannies are hollowmen. The sympathy I had for trannies was on the basis that they were human. This is fundamentally inhuman. It is undeniable proof that trannies are not any different to deranged chuds, you've had the benefit of losing to cover it until now.
>>41015118
The media and Kirk feed off of what trannies do. They shine a spotlight on them sure but it is at the end of the day that the trannies are the one's putting on the show.
I have never once seen any major pushback against trannies by trannies. Not once, no matter how disagreeable and cartoonishly wrong a tranny has been. I've seen plenty of trannies defend their pronouns, or come up with some excuses for them, or explain how it is actually everyone else's fault.
Even now with all this grave dancing where's the big push from all these "normal" moral trannies telling the scum to shut up? Where's the pushback? I've gotten plenty of replies telling me I'm wrong for calling out the behaviour, or how the behaviour doesn't reflect on trannies, or how it's actually justified, or how I am bad faith and just trying to find an excuse and not all trannies are like that.

>>41015171
I'm not a tranny. Maybe stop tearing up the families of our agricultural workers and terrorizing the fags and I will feel a little worse?

If a burgaler breaks into my house I don't disagree with him, I break the fuckers legs and throw him out. I thought you queers were supposed to be the justice party?

>>41015148
This nation is a host that your first-world sexual lifestyle relies upon for support. What makes you think you're entitled to get your way in it?

>>41015133
I’m taking Kirk’s talking points literally, using his terms as he used them. We’d be in quite a predicament if even this was not enough.
But also Kirk himself here shows no fidelity to scripture by reimagining the story to be about a prostitute rather than speaking about the actual words of the passage, about which scripture itself makes a distinction.
>Without a truthful assessment of sin and the willingness to call it where we see it, we have no scope of what we ever did wrong that Jesus died for in the first place.
We could argue about atonement and penal substitution but I don’t think it’s relevant to Kirk’s stated position, which is that if we are “overemphasize” grave then we end up sacrificing truth; which departs from Christianity’s assertion that grace leads us to to truth and vice versa because they are actually synonymous in the highest sense.

>>41015181
And hell, most trannies are much less of a hate filled asshole than I am and I don't want them screwed over either.

>>41015181
Did Charlie Kirk break into somebodies house?

>>41015192
ICE does

>>41015197
And Kirk was a crucial part of the movement to make sure ICE does

>>41015171
I mean you haven't seen me talking about how I'm happy about this, I don't see why I would be bad for this, there are a lot of cis straight white people that won't say anything either, this doesn't make me any less, also you haven't heard of people like and also you clearly haven't heard of people like Lilly Tino, she is a trans woman who is hated on this board because of what she does, there are a very few people who defend her, and we not only bitch about it on this board but I personally explained to her in comments our problems with her too. I don't think that what you said is true, I think that your txitter feed will keep showing you trannies being happy because of his death because you engage with it, and I mean this is fucking 4chan what do you expect out of people?

>>41014494
>There is 0 proof of joe being a pedophile besides him sniffing kids hair while being a dementia patient
Exactly.
Nobody has ANY RIGHT to know what was in his daughters diary.

What do you think of his argument against transgender people being allowed to serve in the US military?

>>41015188
Now here is an anon who knows the meaning of “go and sin no more”

>>41015204
your guys won because eggs were expensive and then he arrested the guys we use to grow your food

>>41015171
>Dehumanizing people because of their beliefs and advocating for the death of people because they disagree with you is categorically evil.
>The very notion that you are moral and that people who disagree with you are amoral and therefore without rights is the foundation of the belief structure that causes people to do violence against x.
Wait did we swap sides? I think we swapped sides. Hang on, uuh
"How dare you, you are collectively responsible for everything kirk did"
Is that right?

>>41015214
nah I don't want you shot, but kirk was a rich guy and he had the power to help make this happen.

Your just someone too dumb to figure out they conned you with your good values so they could cut their own taxes and hide the fact that they fuck kids

Nearly 300 replies itt. It's an obvious bait from a tourist, and you still chose to engage with it and keep it alive. You people just want to be miserable.

>>41015209
Someone hearing voices, who cant go outside and who is literally starving themselves to death. Not exactly a fair equivalence is it?

Someone capable of serving should have the right to do so

>>41015209
I think the problem is that we obviously allow people to serve in the military who have all sorts of mental illness and Kirk is position trannies as different from then in the old fashioned way of invalidating people with mental illness generally

>>41015221
>Your just someone too dumb to figure out they conned you with your good values so they could cut their own taxes and hide the fact that they fuck kids
No no see we swapped sides, but my guys dont have the epstien list. You were supposed to bring up nambla or something

>>41014317
>Nobody on the left seriously support murdering alt right influencers.
Hahahahahahahahahahaha!
LMAO!
KEK!

Convenient blindness to to publicly, and widely seen, social media posts?
You're right in the sense that Charlie wasn't alt-right.
After all, the alt(ernative) to the right is...
Left?
Unless there is some element of trans-direction, or non-binary direction?

That said though, there are literally THOUSANDS of videos of people cheering about his death, and they aren't right wing.

>>41015213
my guys are not Trump; I was saying Kirk was in favor of breaking into people’s houses — a certain class of burglars (police goons) and a certain class of homeowners (undocumented immigrants)

>>41015223
Its more fun than the fire and forget spam posts the op never replies in, and it keeps your rhetoric sharp

>>41015197
Is Charlie Kirk ICE?
>>41015205
Dunking on hons on this board doesn't count.
I don't care if you didn't celebrate it. I'm done with the argument that you can't do anything about it, because you can. If it is true that most trannies are good then do something, otherwise at this point besides the inaction being incredibly suicidal, it's straight up enabling evil.
>>41015214
No you're just retarded and the only way you can protect yourself is by coping. In this case the cope is to believe that anyone who disagrees with you is caricature.
I don't agree with Charlie Kirk, I've never followed him.
If you can identify in what I said the parallels between what he did and what you are doing then that's good because that is literally the point I was making.

>>41013771
hopefully someone violently argues with your kind of human waste as soon as possible.

>>41015241
>Is Charlie Kirk ICE?
see >>41015204

>>41015238
I support murdering all influencers regardless of allignment. String em up i say

>>41015241
>If it is true that most trannies are good then do something
They literally do
They go about their lives as reasonable and law abiding people

>>41015209
i see no problem here.

>>41015241
We don't just hate her because she is a hon, but we hate her because of her actions
But why would I want to do something about it? What could I do? If this person would have had the right to shoot me, he would have done it and even encouraged other people to do so. I don't see why I would do anything. I don't celebrate, but I also won't be a pick me for y'all

>>41015249
>Kill the grifters! (I promise I won’t take over for them.)
t. Stalin

>>41015241
Okay so just so we're clear
>Its bad to dehumanize others based on ideology and leverage that to harm them and more generally restrict their freedoms
>And people who do that are evil
And evil people should be...? You didnt finish the thought but i assume you have some strong feelings about it

>>41015249
Hasan Piker next.
If you want it to be a movement, it has to move naturally.
Right, left, right, left.

Seriously though.
You are actually quite deranged.
>"Influencers talk to people. I hate talking to people. Therefore, kill everyone who talks to people"

>>41013762 (OP)
lol the fact that this thread has nearly 300 replies. Nobody above this reply, nor below it, is a human

>>41015267
What makes you special, 301?

>>41015187
Grace is not supposed to preclude a reality check where it's due. Kirk was right about that.

>Christianity’s assertion that grace leads us to to truth and vice versa because they are actually synonymous in the highest sense.
The truth of God's glory precedes grace. We need to know how we've fallen short of that glory in order to fully appreciate Christ. Knowing you're getting bailed out for free is not all there is to being a Christian. We're expected to learn from our mistakes and use our time on earth embracing that opportunity, rather than mincing words to avoid being called a condemner for not believing things such as Sodomy being normal. Unfortunately this is usually received as an act of hate because most people aren't approaching issues as Christians but as egotists.

>>41015261
Silence, western bourgeois influencer sympathizer! Mods, take xim to the chat-mute gulag!

>>41015264
Okay get a rifle
>kill anyone who might talk to me in public
Lol yes

>>41015271
i think god made me a fag to make me afraid of him

>>41015267
>he had to die because he..I mean..just look at this thread!!

>>41015273
You will never silence the influteriat!

>>41015281
Interesting theory. Did it work?

>>41015284
My agents are deleting your posts from the archive of this thread as we speak

>>41015279
people who push stuff piss me off, hell yeah.

Death to mind control!

>>41015245
So Charlie Kirk wasn't breaking into people's houses? What does your analogy have to do with the discussion then?
>>41015250
That's not enough anymore I am afraid.
You are no different than the Catholics who cry about the reputation they got for having child predator priests.
If you're not proactively rallying against these people and the culture that protects them, if you're not actively trying to excise them, then you are co-signing them.
>>41015257
As above but also
>pick me
Literally a psyop pushed in the community by the never passing transbian hons who want to drag all trans people down with them.
It has been used in every evil movement from the dawn of time to ensure that people like yourself don't establish rapport or rebel.
The great irony is that saying you're not going to be a "pick me" is the greatest act of pick me'ism, only you're being a pick me for the people you don't agree with.
>>41015263
Evil should be met with appropriate measure.
Evil ideas should be defeated with ideas.
What you're trying to worm at and have now failed is that it is justifiable to kill someone because they are evil, which is itself an evil idea. It is the same idea that these people you supposedly disagree with have.
The fact that you aren't complete enough a human being to look at that and say "gee I'm advocating for the death of people I disagree with because they advocate for the death of people they disagree with, there's something not right there" exposes a lot about you.

>>41015271
Grace cannot preclude reality because it is the deepest and highest reality. That’s what Kirk missed in his satirical parody of scripture to cloak nationalism in the jargon of Christianity.

>>41015286
I am kind of a jerk but it allowed me to see how we are all sinners and short of perfection so I think it worked out well. Idk i would have had that revelation without the self hating tranny experience so maybe he does these things to people to save them so they can learn their lesson on earth.

>>41015297
>What does your analogy have to do with the discussion then?
You took an analogy literally to begin with, best to rewind back to that initial mistake before trying to understand your subsequent, consequential mistakes.

>>41015298
>Grace cannot preclude reality
I said reality check, as in a reality that a person on earth is not aware of. See the difference?

>>41015300
I think you're right.

>>41015301
Your analogy is completely unrelated to Charlie Kirk and the situation at hand. There is no correlation in action or context.
You couldn't even keep the analogues straight in your replies, you had to pivot from Charlie being an intruder to ICE being the intruder that he supports.
This is some incredible dunning-kruger though.

>>41015313
If you mean, that God’s grace is something that can be completely understood by you but no one else or at least no one who disagrees with you then I certainly see the difference

I said a lot of horrible things in this thread, and I lied I really am a tranny. I guess I am sorry about that.

I think that guy dying might be good, he was very divisive in life but in his death he seems to have ignited a new type of conversation.

Conservative friends, if you want to give him a good legacy let this be the moment where we come together once again.

>>41015297
>it is always unethical to kill
Okay, so for the sake of argument, how do you propose to catch the asassin? Defeating their ideas is little consolation if theres a rifle round in your throat, no?
Beyond that, you will protest them getting the death penalty?

>You hate him because you disagree with his opinions on your existence? So much for tolerance!
I swear the next time a chud calls me evil because I don't care that Kirk died, I'm going to start calling them intolerant of other opinions.

>>41015334
like he probably diden't deserve it (I will keep talking like he did but I am an angry person).

But it happened, maybe in death he can help unite people.

>>41015347
Meant to post this picture, oh well whatever

>>41015334
>Conservative friends, if you want to give him a good legacy let this be the moment where we come together once again.
Fuck off.

>>41015349
Nah he totally deserved it 100%.

>>41015349
>But it happened, maybe in death he can help unite people.
To hell with unity.

>>41015333
In other words you don't. Here's the simplest way I can put it:

1. You have grace in Christ.
2. You are still subject to confrontation when and if you commit a sin
3. This is not a condemnation.

>>41015354
if you keep blaming everyone he will just die and be remembered as a talk show guy, if politics calms down because he died, his death is a valiant sacrifice.

>>41015347
Why do you reckon he was talking about putting the doctors on trial and not the trannies themselves?

>>41015363
But no, I won't just roll over and feel bad for you fuckers. I expect some understanding before you get some empathy.

>>41015364
I can't imagine that it's because he's concerned for our wellbeing, since he and other conservative leaders advocate violence against us

>>41015339
Point to where I said or implied it was unethical to kill.
This is why I love 4chan, because it is so common that I get these replies where I am quoted as saying something I didn't and the text is right there so it is incredibly obvious that you're either lying or you have such an incredibly poor understand of what is being argued.
>>41015334
>>41015349
Him dying is categorically bad. Not even from an ethical point. This is why trannies are so fucking retarded.
You'd think after an assassination attempt solidified a presidential victory, real or not, you'd learn.
None of the normies I know knew who he was until he died. This is going to cause such a horrible shift that is going to make things way worse for trannies.
There's not going to be any uniting. The grave dancing is going to be plastered everywhere and trannies are going to have it worse.
Just like the trans shooter, just like everything else. You're never going to learn.
>>41015347
You're allowed to hate him. What you can't do in good conscience is advocate for or celebrate his death.
This is such a bad faith wormy little post. Nobody is complaining that trannies aren't having a funeral procession, people are complaining that trannies are gleefully celebrating what is both wrong and a complete net negative for them.
>>41015372
I think pretty early on. Probably around 10-12 years old children realize that this position is untenable. Sad to see you didn't mature beyond that point.

>>41015358
>confrontation
ahhhh there we go

>>41015380
if you use him for your shitty politics instead of as a lesson, his death is for nothing and I will root for more of them to be shot.

If he dies and somehow things turn out ok, I guess we can be friends like we were a year ago. And he will have died for a good cause.

>>41015376
>I can't imagine that it's because he's concerned for our wellbeing
Neither are those doctors.

>>41015364
Don’t care really

>>41015364
see this is the kind of shit that makes me want you people shot, its extra effort to interfere in peoples life.

>>41015380
>Point to where I said or implied it was unethical to kill.
Ok
>>41015297
>(it isnt) justifiable to kill someone because they are evil, which is itself an evil idea
To kill is evil, and evil does not justify evil. Your words

>>41015390
If I criticize doctors, is that some kind of threat to your existence?

>>41015385
You’re talking to someone who is only here because they’ve found a new way to justify to themselves that trannies getting fucked over is morally correct (surprise, it’s still trannies’ fault)

>>41015380
>What you can't do in good conscience is advocate for or celebrate his death.
Oh, but he can say we should be dealt with as we were in the 50s and our doctors should be dealt with like the Nazis in Nuremberg.
>This is such a bad faith wormy little post.
You have nothing but bad faith wormy posts. Why are you even here? Just fuck off.

>>41015396
Not debating you lil bro find someone else to play with

>>41015396
Sort of. It's also hilariously dumb, you don't have the education to even have an intelligent conversation about their work unless you have a medical degree.

>>41015389
You let us worry about our doctors instead of trying to limit our access to healthcare whenever you can because you think it's wrong.

>>41015392
What do you mean "you people?" I'm not trying to keep you from paying a doctor $5000 to cut your genitals off.

>>41015404
Every post you make is my plaything, unc.

>>41015416
Why do so many red states have laws to scare doctors into not doing tranny stuff with liability? Just like, fuck off. Your policies have been doing that, if they diden't I wouldn't give 2 fucks.

>>41015416
and its not "you people", its the people who con you into voting for them. I know most of yall are fine, I was conservative too until this anti lgbt stuff got too scary for me.

>>41015385
His death is for nothing. In fact worse yet his death is to propagate evil.
Trying to sugar coat things and deny reality is why you're in this situation to begin with.
>>41015395
I said that it isn't justifiable to kill someone because they are evil, as in simply because they are evil, not that killing isn't justifiable. Hope that helps.
>>41015399
>two wrongs make a right
Being seeing that a lot today, it's really pathetic.
It's wild to see trannies readily admit that they are just as disgusting and vile as the people they sit on here and cry about 24/7.
As I've said multiple times, what this makes clear is that you don't think what these people do is wrong, you just don't think that you should be the target of it, which is a special kind of vileness.

>>41015416
Conservatives do. That's why Trump is investigating hospitals and threatening to impound their funding if they provide transgender healthcare.

>>41015414
>You let us worry about our doctors
Are those the ones you're paying for yourself, or the ones LGBT groups are trying to get taxpayers to subsidize while you accuse us of "limiting" you by not wanting you to take our money for "your" dick doctor?

>>41015428
The reason your guy is dead is because he pissed so many people off.

We could end this now, but those in charge must change their ways to be less antagonistic. If not, crazy people will continue to get ideas.

>>41015442
So you implicitly agree that conservatives aren't trying to persecute our doctors out of concern for our wellbeing, at least.
I'm just not going to argue with you.

>>41015442
maybe don't use liability to bully endocrinologists into not ever doing tranny stuff and we wouldn't be mad

>>41015428
Seems odd to determine someone is evil but that there is somehow no obligation to oppose that evil. Its almost like your position is intentionally vague so you can maintain sanctimonious indignation without having to actually defend anything

>>41014279
>idrk why normies hate hasan so much
hasan is by far the most detestable figure on the left

>>41015420
>implying those procedures don't incur major liability and health risks

>>41014581
>True. Anyone else remember when all the Charlie Kirk supporters killed 6 million Jews and invaded Poland & France?
we can all agree nick fuentes is fair game though, yeah? charlie kirk wasn't a nazi but nick fuentes is

>>41015428
>It's wild to see trannies readily admit that they are just as disgusting and vile as the people they sit on here and cry about 24/7.
You're vile and disgusting for going this hard to defend who you admit is a vile and disgusting person for advocating for violence and persecution of us and make those who are ambivalent or happy about his death out to be just as bad. You're evil and you aren't endearing yourself to anyone.

>>41015447
He's not my guy.
This same excuse is used to subjugate trannies.
>>41015457
>no obligation to oppose that evil
>>Evil should be met with appropriate measure.
>>Evil ideas should be defeated with ideas.

>>41015471
The law they use is "if you don't like it you can sue your doctor". That is patently stupid because if I crash my car or shoot someone the manufacturer is not liable, and it makes it insane for any doctor to help trannies because all it takes is one idiot to ruin them.

Your going to try justifying this because you hate us but its a shitty law that does not help.

>>41015454
I'm just wondering why you're telling me to butt out of a high-dollar elective medical practice that your advocacy groups have been trying to seize tax dollars for, like that's none of our business.

>>41015471
1/10 circumcisions are botched, in some countries its the leading cause of medical penectomy

>>41015476
At no point have I defended Kirk.
Defending what is right only when it relates to people who agree with you is meaningless.

>>41015478
Which brings us full circle, how do you propose to catch the asassin? More than platitudes this time please

>>41015364
Because he is convinced that trans medicine as we know it is harmful, abusive and unnatural. He's not some oral roberts type who thinks gays and sinners need to be in camps. That's very clear in how he's dealt with people of other religions and gay people directly.

The key Third Rail case for him was the case where parental consent was overridden. Also obviously he doesn't know a damm thing about psych and medical concerns here.

>>41015482
>Your going to try justifying this because you hate us
No I don't. But I do hate illicit behavior. Maybe if tranny doctors are afraid of buyer's remorse it's because they know they're doing something highly remorseful.

>>41015484
It has clinical data to back it up, that's the thing.

A lot of GAC is pretty much cosmetic and elective but the basics have good evidence backing them up as a solid medical intervention for certain people.

I know you might not be the type to listen to evidence, but just work with me here.

>>41015499
hell, Utah even performed a study on tranny kids to try and justify banning it for kids, and their own scientists found out that it led to superior mental health outcomes. I don' think they listened but that happened.

>>41015491
Literally the same way they catch every criminal.

>>41015455
LOL. Get real. You'd be mad anyways, regardless of any of this political shit. Besides, that liability shit was used to get the hondosing endos out of the way entirely to informed consent.

>>41015497
>The key Third Rail case for him was the case where parental consent was overridden.
Yeah because overriding parental consent in order to turn their son into a daughter is a nonstarter, and nobody should ever have to debate that fact.

>>41013762 (OP)
All I do is talk to people. He thinks I should die. I think it's funny that he died.

>>41015489
Yes, agreement with our right to exist. Which you're evil to just blow over and downplay like it's no big deal and we ought to tolerate it.
Note how people like you never actually go and argue to conservatives that they're actually just as vile and evil and disgusting as the trannies they hate, because this is merely a sanctimonious smokescreen to show that because we're evil, we deserve what persecution conservatives will justify next. No one buys you being some principled neutral person who just happens to be on /lgbt/.

>>41015517
It doesn't hurt the informed consent people?

Well hell in that case I don't give a shit lol. Sorry, I wanted to like you guys I just thought you were genuinely coming for my hrt.

>>41015530
ok, I still think the ICE stuff is a terrible idea and I guess the harrasment and document stuff is annoying but really knowing that I do feel bad for getting so mad

>>41015507
Oh come now, at least try

>>41015505
>their own scientists found out that it led to superior mental health outcomes
I didn't realize gender confusion was a superior mental health outcome.

>>41015530
>>41015539
Sorry, I'm still too much of a sociopath to feel bad for Mr Kirk but I won't say anything about that to anyone then I know a lot of people seemed to like him.

>>41015528
Point to where I did any of that.
>>41015547
>find out who he is
>handcuff him
>put him in prison
What are you even asking bro?

>>41015548
you can read what they found here.

Its like a thousand pages long just skip to the conclusion section and see, they have a nuanced take on it.

https://le.utah.gov/AgencyRP/reportingDetail.jsp?rid=636

>>41015548
Compared to depression and suicide? Yeah.
Ask any trans person on hormone therapy if it improved their health. I know it did for me. Estrogen is like an antidepressant if your levels are high enough. I didn't believe it would happen before I started.
Not to mention that we actually start to like how we look after long enough on HRT, or at least dislike it less, depending on how bad it was to begin with.

>>41015530
Are you paying for your own hrt or are you getting government benefits for it?

>>41015473
I haven't paid enough attention to him, but I know the veep hates him, and the ADL hate him. I think he's aspiring to be the new Klan, which is not nearly the same as nazis. I don't think he's actually done anything worth paying attention to.

It's going to be a really shitty outcome though if a bunch of people end up turning to him as a result of this shit.

>>41015568
I pay for it myself, its pretty cheap stuff honestly.

>>41015563
Why would I ask a gender dysphoric to accurately assess how their hormone pills are working?

>>41015556
You do that by repeatedly referring to Kirk as someone who just disagrees with our opinions and calling us evil, vile and disgusting for being ambivalent or positive about his death.

>>41015556
Come on now

>>41015581
Oh, right, I actually thought you cared about our wellbeing for a second and answered honestly about how I feel HRT has affected me. I forgot that by better outcomes, you mean better outcomes for other people who think trannies are weirdos and should not appear in public.

>>41015550
Yeah unfortunately I basically am a conservative I just got drunk and got really scared that HRT was some kind of issue you guys wanted to ban.

>>41015584
That is exactly what he is fundamentally. I don't care if you're ambivalent about his death, celebrating his death is the problem, as I have clearly said.
>>41015586
Make a point or move on.

>>41015605
yeah a few years ago i even hung out with the tpusa people at my campus (Diden't agree they were just my friends), i feel pretty bad now

>>41015615
That is what he is in the same sense that Hamasniks are just people who disagree with Israelis.

>>41015628
True so long as they do nothing.

>>41015615
yeah you convinced me, i got too passionate

>>41015636
Hamas does more than nothing. Same as how conservatives do more than nothing.
At this point we're just wasting time.

>>41015605
I mean some trannies tried to pull a "gotcha" on him by shooting up HRT right in front of him, and did weed and took a rail right in front of him. He didn't lose it or call the police or get upset, or berate them for it.

He asked some questions, and it was clear he had no fucking clue about what he was looking at to begin with.

>>41015640
Good.
>>41015644
What did Kirk do?

>>41015668
Well if he didn't want to but in on my life, I won't speak ill of him in death ANY FUCKING MORE.

I guess I have to thank him for teaching me a lesson even in death don't I?

>>41015615
>That is exactly what he is fundamentally
Negative, and it’s dumb to pretend otherwise
Kirk was not just an average citizen having his say; he was an important leader in a mass movement dedicated to, among other things, infringing on the rights of the people to whom you have decided to come speak with
It’s neither surprising nor immoral for them to feel relieved that he’s dead even if it might be naive to feel that way because his death could hypothetically hurt them as much as or more than him continuing to live
But I really doubt that the world will be worse in the long run for trannies because someone murdered Kirk
First, I don’t think his murder will actually move the needle much for anyone on the topic of trannies and whatever existing transphobia it will allow people to express more openly than last week is bound to have been emboldened by one thing or another eventually
On the other hand, the fact that Kirk did not live to reap the harvest of his political efforts by becoming president or similar down the line is probably ultimately a pretty great thing for trannies

>>41015692
I'm still ambivilant about his death, he was better than a lot of the other ones but I think something is wrong with this country and a roll of the dice shakeup does have the choice to push it in a different direction, good or bad.

>>41015597
More like I'm not buying into your standard of a person's wellbeing. You being pleased with your looks doesn't imply wellbeing. Hormones aren't an antidepressant. Doctors are noping out because they know what they're doing is bad practice. I don't care how you look in public half as much as you do. I'm just not going to call you a woman. I hope that doesn't do you some terrible harm.

>>41015714
you know i posted a study on this, you 2 don't have to pull shit out of your asses someone got paid to get to the bottom of this

>>41015714
>You being pleased with your looks doesn't imply wellbeing. Hormones aren't an antidepressant.
Whatever the words, not being depressed and wanting to kill myself anymore because I'm a man is an improvement.
You might not believe me when I say it's like an antidepressant, but I'm being truthful when I say I have not felt this much happiness since I was a kid. My positive emotions are all much less muted now.

>>41015735
>because I'm a man
because I look like a man, I meant to write

>>41015713
In all honesty, I think it’s a pretty low chance his murderer acted specifically because of any trans topics or issues
But I understand and really sympathizes with all the trannies feeling shook rn that this will be one more thing to make their lives that much harder at least in the short term
I suppose the only comfort I can give, such as it is, is that I think most normies are really hung up on all the opportunities to call each other horrible for not reacting in one way or another “correctly” to the news of Kirk’s murder and the much much vastly larger issue normoids feel is at the center of this is gun control/gun violence

>>41015731
I know some people think having a link to a study settles le science on whatever you want it to and wins every argument by default, but it really doesn't. Ypu can keep calling people with common sense regressive if you think it's going to do you any good.

>>41015692
>he wasn't just someone who disagreed
>he was just someone who disagreed
Literally no cope you've just spouted is any different to the rhetoric people like Kirk use to justify oppressing trans people.

>>41015690
Who knows how he would have been if he actually ever got poltical power, but his entire game was about talking, and arguments, and filming people losing their shit getting mad at him.

>I guess I have to thank him for teaching me a lesson even in death don't I?
You don't HAVE to but there's definitely a difference between him, and Fuentes, and the Heritage foundation.

>>41015692
>On the other hand, the fact that Kirk did not live to reap the harvest of his political efforts by becoming president or similar down the line is probably ultimately a pretty great thing for trannies
I suspect you'll like the republican alternatives and even some of the democratic ones FAR less than him, but it's a moot point.

>>41015744
>I don't buy that HRT improves wellbeing of gender dysphoric people
>Okay, here's how it improved mine
>I don't trust what gender dysphoric people say about their wellbeing
>Okay, but there are studies on how it affects wellbeing
>I don't trust le science, it's just common sense that HRT bad
You just seem stupid when arguing like this.

>>41015744
It does though, i dont have to respect your opinion if mine has something from reality to back me up and yours doesn't.

>>41015740
Yeah I have always gotten the feeling we are just a side issue for most people. I like all the talk about "disagreeing" right now, maybe it will get to people. But I am also afraid of the fact that the right wing media machine might use this to go further right and even less willing to compromise than they are right now.

>>41015756
Also this, its hard for me to feel too bad because his job was pissing people off. I don't think he exactly deserves it for that, but he took a risk and he should have known what he was doing.

>>41015763
You don't have to respect reality either. When has anyone's opinion ever gotten in the way of you not doing so?

>>41015364
>Why do you reckon he was talking about putting the doctors on trial and not the trannies themselves
Don't bother.
They are literally too stupid to know that there was a video leaked in which the big medical institutions were advocating for MORE transgenderism purely because it brought in more money.

>>41015762
>You just seem stupid when arguing like this.
All I'll say in response to this is to remind you that you're on the side of this issue that thinks you can force the world to treat you like you're something you're not. Get well soon.

>>41015752
>average person saying an opinion out loud
>famous leader of a mass movement that currently controls all three branches of the federal government
how’d you miss the difference?

>>41015798
If you really wanted to decrease profits from transgender people, you'd want to reduce the number of people who need laser/electrolysis or facial feminization surgery because of testosteronized puberty poisoning us. And you can reduce that by allowing us to get treatment as minors and not outlawing it.
>>41015805
You can smugly refuse to argue because you're the ones getting our healthcare taken away sadistically. Get fucked you smarmy prick.

>>41015808
There is no difference.

>>41015756
>I suspect you'll like the republican alternatives and even some of the democratic ones FAR less
If it was just a matter of answers on a questionnaire, yeah for sure
But the real issue is none of those guys have even close to the chance Charlie did of eventually coming into a major position of power
>>41015763
>I am also afraid of the fact that the right wing media machine might use this to go further right and even less willing to compromise than they are right now.
I really sympathize with that anxiety but the truth (I strongly suspect) is that the machine in question only runs on the fuel of hate so it is bound to go that way regardless of whether Kirk lived
>>41015837
just like there’s no difference between a cis woman and a trans woman

>>41015853
>just like there’s no difference between a cis woman and a trans woman
Unrelated, weird non-sequitur that exposes some kind of odd insecurity

>>41015787
i don't know what the hell you are trying to say but in matters of public policy I think going by evidence is the way to go.

For example: "Global warming doesn't exist so we should burn coal" screams retard to me.

"Global warming doesn't exist but the practical benefits of coal exceed it" is something I could listen to and respect because we know global warming exists, but coal does have a lot of advantages maybe we do need some of it idk.

>>41015857
I responded to an non sequitur with another one, I needed to confirm that you know what it is and so are arguing in bad faith

>>41015861
He’s tired and is getting sloppy; instead of arguments he’s posting tone/snark

>>41014298
>I like how you're framing this as just "disagreement"
>charlie kirk was someone who hated me for who I am and nothing more
Alright, so everyone who doesn't like you deserves to die?
>and believed that I should have less rights or no rights because of it.
Anyone who believes you don't deserve rights, without actually depriving you of rights, deserves to die. Just by imagining commiting injustce, not even an unjustice close to death, unto you? Not actually doing it? Just talking about it?
>Charlie kirk believed that it is entirely moral for me to be tortured for eternity simply based on a difference of sexuality or identity.
I love how you're using a passive voice to obfuscate that God, the ideal and perfect being, would be the one punishing you for eternety if He saw it fit.
>he was also someone who made it his life's work to spread this ideology, and get believers of this ideology into positions of power in the government so that they can enact their ideology into law, and use real political violence through the inherent monopoly of force of the state to harm or otherwise oppress me.
This is the only decent point you've made. But you're erasing the accountability of the judges and people in political power who actually pass those laws. If anyone should be murdered, they should, rather than the debate bro who's main crime is thinking things wrong and not liking you enough.

>>41015243
Hope in one hand, shit in the other. That’s all you do.

>>41015912
This is all just fear, I was like that earlier in this thread based on a perception of him based on the worst of the chuds and not actually what he was. Fear always brings out the worst in us.

>>41015879
What I said wasn't a non-sequitur. There is no difference in action by size of audience. Your response to begin with was in bad faith because you wouldn't agree that a tranny with a large audience promoting trans ideology deserves to be shot. The audience size doesn't matter.

>>41015912
>so everyone who doesn't like you deserves to die?
strawman
>Anyone who believes you don't deserve rights, without actually depriving you of rights
strawman and blatant mischaracterization, Kirk was an important leader of a mass movement committed to and engaged with depriving trannies of rights
>obfuscate that God, the ideal and perfect being, would be the one punishing you for eternety if He saw it fit
God Himself is not involved with this; rather it’s Charlie evoking that punishing trannies is necessarily what God is like (itself an evil act)
>you're erasing the accountability of the judges and people in political power who actually pass those laws
no they are pointing out the reality that Kirk was a crucial co-conspirator of those same people

>>41015964
yeah this is more or less what I think, its not a happy event by any means but he made vocational choices that made him more than just another innocent man

>>41015912
>I love how you're using a passive voice to obfuscate that God, the ideal and perfect being, would be the one punishing you for eternety if He saw it fit.
Tangential, but you know, this sounds really weird and alienating to people who aren't already fire and brimstone Christian conservatives. I don't even believe in the existence of a god, but somehow you think this would shame someone. It's phrases like this that remind me we live in two entirely different worlds.
Also, it's spelled eternity, and I'm NTA you replied to.

>>41015943
>audience size
irrelevant factor
the issue is not the size of the audience listening; the issue is that Kirk is not a guy having his say like any other but rather a fundraiser, an activist, a power broker, a politician, a leader of an institution, a leader of a mass movement

>>41015826
>And you can reduce that by allowing us to get treatment as minors and not outlawing it.
Are there, or has there ever been, even a slightly considerable number of people that received treatment as minors, that have gone on to regret it?

>>41015981
So if a tranny is those things it is okay to kill them?

>>41016039
false equivalence
murder is wrong beyond being illegal; being relieved that a political leader committed to and engaged in infringing your rights is dead is not an argument that anyone should be murdered

>>41015989
2.5% desist or detransition. To imply that transgender care should be banned for minors because any cis children at all regret it is to devalue and ignore the suffering of all the trans children (who comprise the other 97.5%) who would have to be left untreated.

>>41016092
Where did I say that it is wrong for trannies to be relieved that he is dead?

I disagreed with a lot of stuff he said but to murder him because of disagreement is an attack on free speech.

Sorry. It is. Even a Neo-Nazi shouldn’t be killed if they aren’t hurting anyone. This is not upholding free expression.

>>41016119
I hope you never said that, it’d be pretty stupid

>>41015964
>strawman
How so? You're saying it's not because of disagreement he deserves to die, but because he hates you.
>strawman and blatant mischaracterization, Kirk was an important leader of a mass movement committed to and engaged with depriving trannies of rights
Alright, then which right specifically is he responsible for depriving trans women? How many trans women has he indirectly murdered via his debates, pretending here that the people who actually enact the laws and injustice aren't the primery people responsible for their actions.
>God Himself is not involved with this; rather it’s Charlie evoking that punishing trannies is necessarily what God is like (itself an evil act)
So your problem here is that he's mischaracterizing God? Even though you hate the bible? He's not even saying we should act in place of God and start the hypothetical evil God tranny torture session now in real life.
>no they are pointing out the reality that Kirk was a crucial co-conspirator if you don't like free expression.
Anyone who thinks and feels the wrong thing and expresses themselves publicly is a co-conspiritor technically.
>>41015978
>Tangential, but you know, this sounds really weird and alienating to people who aren't already fire and brimstone Christian conservatives. I don't even believe in the existence of a god, but somehow you think this would shame someone. It's phrases like this that remind me we live in two entirely different worlds.
>Also, it's spelled eternity, and I'm NTA you replied to.
You're not getting it. The perfect ideal being who is by definition is good and rightious and beyond our human faculties of judgment would allegidly be the one punishing trans women to an eternity of torture.

That's not even close to me saying that you deserve an eternity of torture. God is the one who casts that judgment should He choose for reasons beyond my knowing, not me. It is not my place to decide such things for trans women. It's my place to love them.

>>41016165
So then your reply is a non-sequitur.

>>41016172
no, it’s a clarification that we’re not discussing justifying or excuse murder

>>41016170
I’m starting to wonder if you actually are arguing in good faith but are just to stupid to follow the conversation

>>41016170
>It's my place to love them.
And I suppose by love you mean what exactly? confronting them with their sins?
Bro the way we live trannies around here is to be their friends and boyfriends.

>>41016192
We're discussing public celebration and condoning of murder

>>41016212
we’re discussing trannies reactions to the murder of Charlie Kirk
It’s well established by this point in the discussion that most posters agree that murder is bad including murdering Charlie Kirk
And we also mostly agree that condoning murder, including his murder, is bad
I know this is 4chan and we can just wait for a troll post to chime in to the contrary, but you know as well as I do that no one here who has been participating as a matter of good faith is saying “it is okay to murder Charlie Kirk because XYZ” at this point

>>41015525
Then you're evil.

>>41016250
You think someone is evil because they said words you dislike? So much for the tolerant right.

>>41016250
all she did was talk to people

>>41016240
This sort of reality and denial and willful ignorance is 90% of the issue. Seeing trannies janny for other trannies no matter what is insane. A tranny really would rather eat shit than admit for even a second that a trans person is capable of doing wrong.

>>41016289
I’m not trans, trans people can and do act wrongly all the time like all humans, it has nothing to do with being trans

>>41016298
So then let's not pretend that the board and social media in general hasn't been filled both with trannies earnestly celebrating and condoning his death.

>>41016305
along with all kinds of other people so you gotta ask yourself what is it about you that decided that of all the kinds of people out there to take to task on this you said “I want to spend my time with the trannies”

>>41016335
I don't think it is likely that this will have a run on effect on cis women.

>>41016348
It def will for some groups of cis women, you might want to explain it to them

>Greetings women.
>I am donating my time to let you know how you’re behaving is actually against your interests. >Save your thanks, for now let’s get right down to business.

>>41016369
I highly doubt it.

>>41016383
I bet!

>>41016202
>I’m starting to wonder if you actually are arguing in good faith but are just to stupid to follow the conversation
It's in good faith. You're just being stupid.
>>41016209
>And I suppose by love you mean what exactly? confronting them with their sins?
>Bro the way we live trannies around here is to be their friends and boyfriends.
No, I mean like caring about them and being personally involved in their lives, as they would mine, because we're all put on this Earth hellscape together and it's much better if we like each other. I would be a trans woman's boyfriend if the chance arose and I was infertile. Even still, I would plutonically be close and intimate with a trans woman and love them that way. I just also want to reproduce.
It's not my fault people interpret the Bible as an excuse to hate the most precious gifts God bestowed unto us: each other.

I love trans women. I love trans men. I love people. They're one of the few things keeping me sane. I will not lie and pretend otherwise.