Thread 41040905

Is it really so much to ask not to mock someone right after they've died (much too young) if they haven't done anything ACTUALLY reprehensible like murder/rape?

Honestly, being a nazi is pretty much on the same tier of awful.

>>41040933

Using threats of suicide as a way to control the people around you is a form of emotional abuse. Mocking trans suicides immunises you from this abuse, it lets potential abusers know that this manipulation wont be effective on you and that you know their game.

>>41041057
>pro ukronazi tranner
>”but he was a nazi”

>>41041159
Defending yourself against imperialist aggression is a good thing and the notion that all Ukrainians are nazis or nazi-adjacent is ridiculous, even if there are problematic aspects to Ukrainian nationalism (as there are in all nationalisms)

>>41041239

I mean, if you remove blacks from the equation Americas gun problem looks prettty unremarkable. That’s why you need to resort to this sort of retort, just as this faggot needed to shoot him. The reality of what he’s saying to too hard for you to address.

>>41040933
>action with consenting participant versus an action with victim who did not consent
suicide is a human right chud

>>41040933
>kills themselves willingly like a retard
vs
>getting killed unwillingly by a retard

>>41040933
One is the abstract concept of the statistic that transgender people kill themselves a lot after "gender affirming surgery" not really pointed at a specific person but just showing how this is a mental illness that isn't being dealt with properly and isn't healthy for us to affirm on top of it going against reality.

The other is an actual human being with a name and face and children that you are dehumanizing and degrading days after their death.

>>41041057
1. He was in no way a nazi

2. Someone having nazi beliefs isn't equivalent of rape/murder you sadistic psychopath.

>>41040933
Appeal to emotion+Moving the goalpost fallacies

>>41040933
the ones on the top are funny. the ones on the bottom are insanely evil

>>41042044
bait

>>41040905 (OP)
Yes its a lot to ask, same shit with respecting pronouns, their kids or whatever. Once you die there are no feelings to hurt.

>>41042235
There's the feelings of their loved ones and basic respect for human dignity.

>>41042253
what is basic respect for human dignity in your opinion?

>>41040905 (OP)
I think it's pretty reasonable to ask for that
I think it's also important to consider that there are things that someone can do that aren't rape or murder that open the door to people saying their death was better for the world, even if it shouldn't have happened
Charlie Kirk said on video that, if he had a 10-year-old daughter who was impregnated by rape, he would make her carry the baby to term
I am open to the idea that such a radical sacrifice by a young woman can be beautiful, but the idea that Kirk presumes this is the best course of action, seemingly over any idea of his daughter's protest since her wishes are clearly not factored into his answer, shows that his goal is not to make the best decision for his daughter, but the best decision for his the preservation of his convictions
that might sound nice until you consider that parents are meant to answer to their kids' wellbeing, not a political party's abortion perspective
being pro-life is one thing, that's a conviction I can admire. stating you would force your daughter to carry her rapist's baby to term strikes a lot of us not just as a difference of opinion but a moral failing nearly as serious as other crimes we think of as justifying a sigh of relief after their death
I feel terrible for the man and his family, and his death simply should not have happened, to him or anyone
at the same time, things that shouldn't happen that are nevertheless better for the world happen all the time
I'm deeply relieved that his daughter will not be made to grow up with a father who would force her to carry a rapist's baby the same year she turned double digits
and keep in mind this is only one of many deeply reprehensible things he's said
there are people being genuinely shitty about his death and I hate it
I think people like you also need more nuance in how you're seeing the reaction to his death

>>41042322
>I am open to the idea that such a radical sacrifice by a young woman can be beautiful
you're sick in the head mate

>>41042005
a) If it walks like a duck...

b) Nazism as an ideology is predicated on the dehumanization of others to the extent where any action is permissible against them, Nazis and right-wing extremists in general are explicitly declaring their own willingness to murder, rape and otherwise destroy, and thus void whatever semblance of a social contract that remains. We should be very clear as to what they are and they deserve to be ostracized and treated with suspicion.

>>41041855
>abstract concept of the statistic
So a shit-ton of people with names and faces but you haven't happened to learn them.

>>41042346
>genuine, empathetic attempt at a moderate viewpoint that entertains the idea of moral virtue in a position that's easy to view as reprehensible, while making clear I believe the idea sounds repugnant
sick in the head indeed
find a better way to spend your time than (prematurely) judging strangers on the internet

>>41042380
why did you call a raped ten year old a woman

>>41041603
His solution would be to ban guns from black people, and then the black population will explode and you dont want that. You want them dead. And so his argument would be fucking stupid regardless

>>41042405
it's okay, I understand some of us failed middle school English, it's my joy to disabuse you of your ignorance
"young man/woman" is a common phrase for adult to use when referring to children reaching the end of grade school age, as a matter of respect for their increasing maturity, and because that's the age they tend to start to resent being thought of as kids
or did you think I used the word for a different reason?
you really need to up your trolling
get a master's in letters. until then you're out of your league

>>41042619
>"young man/woman" is a common phrase for adult to use when referring to children
no it isn't, you're very strange talking about a raped child being a woman and making a "beautiful" "radical sacrifice" by carrying the baby to term

>>41042646
don't worry, my reading comprehension was rough once, too
it's my pleasure as a teacher and tutor to be as patient as needed until you understand
it sounds very much like you're telling on yourself; my comment about "radical sacrifice" was very clearly an attempt to acknowledge that the mere idea is not evil
that if, for example, Kirk's daughter wanted to carry a baby to term in those circumstances of her own volition, without influence from her father and with full freedom to abort if she chose, there would be a certain beauty in that
it was an effort to empathize with Kirk and entertain the idea that his position, as reprehensible as it seems, is not inherently evil except in the case he gave her no say, and that chose by her, such a decision could even be virtuous: to sacrifice immensely for something that was forced upon you, to preserve the life of someone else who did not choose
what you must have ignored is the entire rest of the post where I repeatedly articulate how awful I find Kirk's thinking, and how it leads me to be relieved if not happy that his daughter will be free from the parental influence of a man who thinks that way
no doubt you're farming memes and screen caps for the right-wing slop machine
that's fine, have your fun, but remember you're doing real damage to the world

>>41040933
FPBP
Rightwingers have no right to demand sympathy from anyone

>>41042746
no ideas are evil I didn't say you're evil I said you're sick in the head
you're gross and weird to find a raped child carrying a child to term beautiful

>>41042771
genuinely tragic you're this determined to misinterpret empathy. to each their own

>>41042785
bringing a rape baby into the world and maybe killing the 10 year old rape victim in the process is gross mate not beautific and a 10 year old is a child not a woman

but what would christopher hitchens say?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8rpqHhzIeM

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>>41042811
it's okay, I was 16 once; I insisted on many incorrect interpretations of things
deliberately misinterpreting what people say will get you in a lot of trouble as you get older; work harder to see that your horror at someone else's thinking isn't always their fault

>>41042917
not an argument is it, you're just whining because somebody pointed out you said a fucked up thing, too bad, thinking a child maybe dying after being raped isn't beautiful unless you're sick

hitler never personally killed any jews

Look I just want to remind every anon that, according to Charlie, empathy is a sin. You don’t wanna sin for your martyr right???

>>41042972
I mean, he gave explicit orders. That’s legal responsibility

>>41042999
Nta but he never said that. The propaganda you read cut out half his quote.

>>41042957
no, there's no argument, not at all: I stand by my attempt to empathize even with a man who has a viewpoint I find repugnant. the sickness is yours, the belief that's somehow wrong

>>41043012
ok so you don't know anything about the holocaust then

>>41040933
fpbp
Rightoids are the most sensitive snowflakes imaginable. The definition of paper tigers. They dish it out non-stop but can't take it.

>>41043033
you're dumb we weren't talking about you empathising with mr kirk we were talking about you calling something horrible beautiful

>>41042952
Of course a phoneposter is a fucking retard.
No dumbass, there's plenty of goombas talking out of both sides of their mouths on this issue. Mike Lee and Andrew Wilson being the prime examples in that image.

>>41043041
True bestie Hitler was innocent and didn’t know what anyone around him was doing <333

>>41043061
those aren’t analogous situations though, my sweet aspie chudjak poster

>>41043063
no, look up the functionalism vs intentionalism arguments

>>41043082
You are using words you don't understand because you are retarded.
I like how your phoneposting retarded ass immediately abandoned the argument made by the image you posted though. You didn't even read the names of any of the tweets, you just made a kneejerk response, because you are a phone-poster incapable of making anything but low quality sludge.

>>41043144
lmao you are so upset at the iphone. Transbian rage is cray

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>>41042843
TRUVTHNVKE

>>41043056
*sigh*
you genuinely can't read, can you?
I was being a bitch earlier but you actually can't?
you lasered in on the one sentence where I tried to empathize with Kirk and ignored the entire rest of the post where I was critical of him
I'm almost sure you're trolling but just in case you're genuinely that inattentive, from my original post:
>I am open to the idea that such a radical sacrifice by a young woman can be beautiful, but the idea that Kirk presumes this is the best course of action, seemingly over any idea of his daughter's protest since her wishes are clearly not factored into his answer, shows that his goal is not to make the best decision for his daughter, but the best decision for his the preservation of his convictions . . . being pro-life is one thing, that's a conviction I can admire. stating you would force your daughter to carry her rapist's baby to term strikes a lot of us not just as a difference of opinion but a moral failing nearly as serious as other crimes we think of as justifying a sigh of relief after their death
I literally agreed with you from the start you lunatic
you locked in on one sentence where I tried to empathize with someone I radically disagree with and ran with that as my actual viewpoint, apparently

>>41043196
I don't care if you criticised him, I wasn't giving a review of your post, I can pick out one point without having to opine on the rest

>>41043144
>>41042843
>Paul Pelosi didn’t die
>Nightmare on Walz street is too random and bizarre of a statement to be offensive
>implying these people aren’t lolcows

>>41040933
fpbp

Chuds burned that bridge a long time ago. Remember how they treat trannies being murdered and committing suicide? Remember how they treated the Club Q shooting?

>>41042952
LOL the people on the top and bottom of that image are the same people. Rightoids are insane with hate and have been for some time

>>41043362
>Remember how they treated the Club Q shooting?
I member. It was the moment that radicalized me. Never let them tell you shit about civility

>>41040905 (OP)
supporting the zogged US government makes you an accomplice to murder