Thread 41106102

Its just upsetting to me that men want to be women but don’t know what it feels to be a woman. Dont know what society makes us feel since our first moments of consciousness. The way teachers adults any authority figure or peers treat us since literally the beginning of our conceptions of ourselves. And then trans people dont want to sacrifice. They want to be women but want to keep their penis and only interact with other men and stay misogynistic but use our resources. How about developing a kind soul and feeling bad for what women go through with menstruation and childbirth instead of being like bitch we want this [thing we cant even conceive of experiencing]. Idk. Some of u are trutrans on here cuz ive read your posts and felt sadness in my heart for you and compassion but some need to really dig deep and realize you want to be a man with boobs and a penis and have gay sex without feeling bad about it

boo hoo sorry i guess my life is just that easy

>>41106126
Perchance it is if u say so

>>41106102 (OP)
It's transphobic to think this now. Sorry!

Women gatekeep their gender but men don't care about transguys

>>41106599
A large percantage of gay guys gatekeep gaydens

>>41106102 (OP)
I don't like misogynististic mtfs either but it is what it is. I mean even my mom will say misogynistic stuff about other women so it's not like it's outlandish. There's plenty of ftms that absolutely hate men but still want to transition too

>>41106102 (OP)
I do get annoyed at misogynist trans women. I feel like they'd benefit from just having listened more to what cis women experience prior to transition and reading feminist literature.
However:
>How about developing a kind soul and feeling bad for what women go through with menstruation and childbirth instead of being like bitch we want this [thing we cant even conceive of experiencing].
I can know that menstruation and childbirth are painful, and be sympathetic to it, and still wish I had a uterus and a vagina. Because I was supposed to be born a woman and hate having a penis or having to use it. That's just how dysphoria works, and I feel like you don't understand it.

women dont want men to suceed accept this /r9k/
eg this thread

>>41106618
Afabs are misogynistic in a completely different way than amabs
It comes from a place of insecurity and lifelong conditioning and is sad when afabs are misogynistic. When amabs are misogynistic it’s just their egocentric souls exposing themselves-wanting to consume their symbolic mother for being capable of creating life while they arent

>>41106102 (OP)
I don't want to have a penis
I'm not misogynistic
in real life I'm a male feminist

>>41106102 (OP)
I transitioned at 9 and prior to that I was raised gender neutrally. How did I not experience a "female childhood" if I was stealth from such a young age? I absolutely did.

>>41106102 (OP)
>And then trans people dont want to sacrifice. They want to be women but want to keep their penis

not true i want it cut off

>and only interact with other men and stay misogynistic but use our resources.

i emotionally abused, stole from, and cut off all my ex friends because they were evil misogynistic men. my friend group now consists of cis women, twinks, and a few other trannies


>some need to really dig deep and realize you want to be a man with boobs and a penis and have gay sex without feeling bad about it

there is something to be said abt this desu

>>41107544
I seriously doubt you were actually stealth and people treated you like a girl and not a little freak.

>>41106599
Gay men cry like terfs about trans men existing. Gays are terfs

>>41107544
You experienced infancy as a male. There are studies that show how differently male and female babies and toddlers are treated. biases that adults hold about children based on their gender that permeates their interactions. Im sorry but even by age 9 you had a completely different upbringing than that of a female child. There is no such thing as gender neutrality, especially in childhood. Im sorry this is dysphoria inducing and im sure you pass now but this key difference in upbringing is why youre a transwoman and can’t ever really be a woman like an afab. Plus if you have a penis still then youre just forever othered from the afab mind body experience

>>41108005
You'd think spending pre-pubescence and adolescence as a teenage girl would make up for it at least partly. It's not like there aren't girls who were raised basically like boys but then have a really hard time with adjusting to cultural expectations of femininity and womanhood as soon as puberty hits. I'm not that anon, BTW.

>>41106102 (OP)
This is just run of the mill dysphoria. I feel the same way about ftm.

>>41107416

This kind of seems like a warped version of Christianity where women have eternal salvation for their sins without repenting while men are naturally impure and only through repentance can be good and worth saving.

Not saying it's false necessarily but I could see the argument that it's also sexist, just in a different way-- defining yourself in relation to men for one thing. My brain is too tired to think of it though.

>>41107660
picrel. This was my experience and it really has no bearing on my life whether you believe it or not.
>>41108005
You seem like a ?nice? person nona, That was simply my childhood. I would argue that cis women don't all have the same childhoods either, or trans men for that matter. I'm good friends with an ftm who raised himself gender neutrally in the slums of Mexico, who then only realized at the start of puberty that something was different. People aren't necessarily socialized with uniformity.

both terfs like you and trannies get the woodchipper, so you might as well be friends now

>>41108190
this is what i’ve been saying desu it’s annoying hearing trannies online always complaining about “the terfs” like its some big scary powerful thing. it makes u look like a clocky moid and its tranny redditor coded and it’s giving power snd validity to them by acting like that. no one irl knows or cares about what a “terf” is. my enemy is men and the patriarchy and the government not other random women that just don’t like me

but also i don’t live in uk so ive literally never met a trans exclusionary radical feminist irl idk if theyre acc prominent over there or if its just redditor slop

>>41108132
beaming suicidal thoughts into your head with my moid rage

>>41106102 (OP)
Its not hard being a woman you are just a pussy. Imagine having real hardships to overcome

>>41108089
To be fair i have the same but reverse view regarding misandry. When men do it it’s just misguided and sad but when women do it it comes from an immature psychologically disturbed place yadda yadda something about their fathers or penis envy most likely

>>41108475
T. Has never been a woman and will never be

>>41108647
Not every woman is a femcel queer who takes it hard bb. Make some conservative freinds and see how much they love being women. You just have gender related trauma which is why you are even here

>>41107882
>gay men
i've only seen bottoms cry over ftms which is very funny to me
>>41108005
bait but alas you're retarded and should kill yourself
>autist ftm

>>41108005
>You experienced infancy as a male

>>41108728
Ty

>>41108711
>>41108728
https://bmcpsychology.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40359-016-0123-6

>>41108696
You lowkey just sound super privileged and white (and male) thoughever

>>41108406
>i don’t live in uk so ive literally never met a trans exclusionary radical feminist irl idk if theyre acc prominent over there or if its just redditor slop
very common in britain desu

>>41108406
>my enemy is men and the patriarchy and the government
This is so based

>>41109710
Meaning u are poor and colored? Yikes

>>41106102 (OP)
>sabrina is a shoulderhon
excellent....

>>41106102 (OP)
I did exactly what you're asking for and all I learned is how horrible women are. To each other. To their fathers. To their husbands and brothers. To their own children.
You deserve everything bad that ever happened to you. I went from feminist believe all women to misogynistic after seeing first hand how you really are. I wish I'd known sooner.
I no longer care about being a real woman. I care about relieving my dysphoria and making my husband happy. I don't give a shit if we're just 2 faggots. So be it. We're happy together and fulfill each other's needs

>>41106102 (OP)
>at some point or another our ancestors didn't menstruate or experience crippling childbirth
>suddenly, some protowomen do, and eventually outcompete those who don't
you guys did it to yourselves

>>41106102 (OP)
I got bullied by my peers, teachers, and every other authority figure but ok

>>41106102 (OP)
I feel like this post misses the point that trans women weren't privileged by male socialization, we were subjected to it. like yes I don't know what a menstrual cycle feels like, but do you know what it feels like to have to carefully watch every single word you say or small movement you make 24/7 with no breaks to relax ever, and suppress your own personality and act as a character you hate, or else you'll be bullied and ostracized by your own friends and family? we have our own struggles to deal with too

>>41109815
Don't forget fat and ugly too. They scream the most about privilege

>>41110082
>carefully watch every single word you say or small movement you make 24/7 with no breaks to relax ever, and suppress your own personality and act as a character you hate, or else you'll be bullied and ostracized by your own friends and family
Cisfs will 10000% insist this is SOP for wombyn lmao it's not worth engaging

>>41110128
that hasn't been my experience at all, fourth wave feminism is mostly focused on stuff like rape culture and abortion. there's usually an awareness that for all it's faults, female socialization isn't nearly as restrictive as male socialization anymore.

>>41107416
No, that’s just a bunch of nonsense you made up. Men and women are not entirely different species separated by some sort of mystical gulf

>>41106102 (OP)
I have a lot of sympathy for cis women. I'm always in their corner. I always bring up how a lot of trans issues hit cis women the hardest out of sheer numbers. What hurts them, hurts us, what hurts us, hurts them. We're different, but we're also so similar.

The period and pregnancy stuff I have sympathy for, for sure. I usually keep my feelings to myself, because no matter what I say they won't understand how I feel. I know it's hard and it's scary in ways I can't comprehend, but a lot of us want to be able to have that burden, that choice. Cis women rub it in my face all the time by talking about how lucky I am to not have to deal with that, but they don't realize they are othering me. I'm one of the girls until it's time to remind me I'm not. I even see it happen to infertile women or women who struggled having kids and it's too late. They're othered by mothers. I feel such a strong comradery with women until they do and say things to let me know that I'm not really like them. The thing I'm "so lucky I don't have" is also the reason I remain alone. The 2 men I thought I was going to marry left me for a cis woman because she could have his kids. Telling me "I love everything about you, you're honestly almost perfect, but I want to have kids".

Anyway that's my sob story. I know it's hard having that burden. Being treated like that's the only thing about you that's important. Being groomed from a young age to be quiet and to people please and doing things only to get a mate. Dealing with creepy old men who hit on you when you're 11. Having to pay extra money every month for something you didn't ask for. Being forced to work and go to school when you're in agony 1 week out of every month. Being left with a baby alone because men can't commit. Having to use various birth control methods that hurt or fuck you up emotionally because men are like weh condoms don't feel good...I ran out of comment space to keep listing more. ilu <3

>>41109815
Tru colors revealed yikes find buddha

>>41110074
Im sorry u didnt deserve that

>>41110045
Well when you put it like that..

>>41110318
Theres lowkey a small gulf

>>41109739
damn then that’s gay and stupid but i’d still prob js ignore them

>>41109798
i often am

>>41110443
This post is so genuine it made me sad. I dont want to be mean anymore. Im deleting this thread. Idk why i vacillate from being an ally (silent) to being lowkey mad or jealous of transwoman and lash out. Probably bpd idk. But i lurk here in the first place cuz im an othered cis woman too and then i get annoyed by some trans posters and feel like i want to tweak and make a mean post. But then i read something like this and i feel bad again. Sorry all anons on this saturday in september. Ill be better. Deleting now

>>41110572
I cant delete the thread.. everyone stop responding