Thread 41341831

according to a 4tran poll, trans men are very into trans women while trans women are very into... cis men
poonbros let's kill ourselves

>>41341831 (OP)
based t4c girls

>>41341831 (OP)
Gay ftms also want cis dick
It's just no one wants pooners

>>41341831 (OP)
why kill yourself over misshapen troons? cis foids are annoying but at least they have vaginas

>>41341831 (OP)
straggot trannies are the straight women of trannies after all

>yes I want a bf with no dick please
said no one ever

>73% of transbains are t4t
halimede is in shambles rn and ovarit is demanding a recount

>>41341831 (OP)
im str8 but id let a pooner hit

>>41341831 (OP)
this is taken from reddit so the real numbers are much closer to zero than 33%

>>41341831 (OP)
poor liddle pooners. i'll take you all in you cute liddle poonies

>>41341885
straight women are the most trans exclusionary out of the cissoids, I wouldn't be surprised to see trannies being different

Who would ever choose a pooner if they had the option not to?

>>41341921
don't bully my bf

>>41341921
this is why i will continue to preach celibacy for FtMs. never pay for porn, never simp, never beg. focus on becoming the best version of yourself and leave sex behind. FtMs cant impregnate women so there is no real benefit FtMs get from sex. when you need to manage your lust you should turn to hentai and a good fleshlight designed for tdick. if you still have a fetish for shemales there is plenty of futanari hentai to fap to.

>>41341831 (OP)
stay strong valiant pooner, your heart is greater than your height (from testosterone induced hypertropy)

>>41341831 (OP)
I'm into trans men. However, I don't pass at all so that's probably a dealbreaker (fmstl).

>>41341831 (OP)
you left out "tall, superstraight chud cis men"

trans women have no interest in manlets. let me rephrase that. trans women are completely repulsed by manlets. no matter how cis they are.

>>41342773
you just see trans men as an easier goal. whats attractive about trans men? why would you choose one over a cis man?

>>41341831 (OP)
T4C trannies, I love you!!!

>>41342848
>won't troon on you
>trannies have higher intelligence on average
>more likely to understand what you're going through
>more likely to be comfortable being seen in public with you
>won't leave you because you can't have babies
seems like a nobrainer desu

>>41341831 (OP)
transbian future inshallah

>>41342870
Ok so you're just coping and insecure because you cant bag Chad

>>41342870
all but one of these reasons are just things that will accommodate your trans identity, not things that are attractive. this is like when cis women can only describe their oofy doofy husband as a "good provider" so you are gmi at least. you would 100% choose a cis male over a trans male if they were both evenly matched in those traits

>>41342914
Wanting a partner who would actually be tolerable is normal anon. There are physically attractive and unattractive trans men just like there are attractive and unattractive cissoids.
>but what about penis
i dunno i just kinda don't care

>>41341831 (OP)
im an unironic untouchable mtf virgin even though i had multiple people lust over me and try to do stuff with me and i prefer ftms. ftms are much more likely to have creative fun hobbies that are about creation and less so about just consuming things and wasting time and the good ones are really driven and it's nice c:

>>41342870
>>41342953
Ideally you become a well rounded person and not just a tranny that needs coddled forever. Frankly my cis bf barely acknowledges I'm trans, straight up says he doesn't understand it, and its all fine because it doesn't mean he doesn't respect me it means he just sees me as a quirky woman. Infinitely more validating than some dood I can explore my trauma with. Seen so many trans women I know IRL fall into a sexless mire of codependency because of the t4t empathy trap.

>>41342953
yes you just want a tolerable partner, not a trans man specifically because you dont find trans men attractive. your inability to name something attractive about trans men tells me you would choose the cis man.

>>41343092
as a trans man i agree about the t4t empathy trap. the best option for a trans woman is a cis man and the best option for a trans man is his hand. with st4t trans women are at risk of being unfulfilled, and trans men are at risk of being something to fill the void until their gf finds somebody else. if you want to cry and be sappy about dysphoria with somebody it should be done with friends, not something you base a relationship on.

>>41342838
And yet you post a picture of a cis woman mocking a cis man. curious!

Ftm are so hot but i cant say that without being called a chaser >.>
~mtf

>>41341831 (OP)

Yeah I always fucking say this. Worst of both worlds. Nobody veiws FTMs as men.

>>41342870

Ok. So you just want a man that isn't transphobic. Not one that is trans.

>>41341885
I want a bf with a pussy

The implications here are crazy

>>41343326

Yeah cuz it's always some shit about Mpreg boibussy big titted breedable femboys.

Convinced anybody who claims to be into FTMs is just a desperate tranny witch will grow out of it as soon as shes on E long enough to be a passoid & bag a cis dude. Doesn't know what FTMs actually look or act like practically. Or is a detrans fetish chaser.

>>41343398

The word you're looking for is "woman"

>>41343432
People harp on all day about chicks with dicks but when I genuinely have a fetish for masculine passing men with a pussy, everyone loses their minds.
I don't like pussy on women, it's totally different. I love men, but I just despise dick.

>>41341921
Im only attracted to masculine people but I dont feel romantically attracted to cis men.

>>41341831 (OP)
this is bc straight women both cis and trans are more attracted to dick then they are to men

>>41341831 (OP)
trans women can be fucked, trans men can’t fuck. That’s the sad truth but the truth nevertheless. Plus I think pooners like the idea of queerness whereas straight trannies don’t and Transbians only do as a cope

>>41343444

Bottoming is inharently feminine & disgusting.

Why the fuck would anyone genuinely trying to be a man & pass be anything except an exclusive top.

>>41343402
Translation:
>I like to make myself look like less of a man by fucking roidmonkeys

>>41343508
LOL most zoomers are bottoms nowadays. Having this much of a sperg attack outs you. Guys ask me to dominate them all the time

>>41343444
I'm the same way. It's nice to see someone with the same tastes out there. I wish cuntboy x cuntboy and female x cuntboy was more popular.

>>41341831 (OP)
Cock, phallo, or Bussy doesnt matter to me. I just want my man to be at least 1 inches taller than me and also stronger than me and will use my poor lil' maiden body for his degenerate kinks
>t. 5'6 mtf

>>41342031
Based

>>41343564
so you want a woman to have piv sex with?

this thread + the replies are funny because pooners really think they own trans women just to be surprised when they realize that they don't

>>41343718
saar please redeem the TOEFL next time

>>41343672

>"least 1 inches taller"
>exactly 5'6

>>41343733

>pooners really think they own trans women

Nobody says this. You are making up guys to say are pathetic when you don't even need to.

>>41341854
I want pooners

>>41343564
>most zoomers are bottoms nowadays.
sex is scary

>>41343733
nobody claims ownership of trans women other than transbians and cism chasers. i do feel bad for chasers because they could have a trans gf if they just keep their stupid mouths shut and acted normal. most are currently too stupid to love

>>41343762
to plap and impregnate i bet

>>41343718
IM the woman. If I wanted to fuck one, I'd go after 50% of the pop instead of who my heart truly belongs to

>>41343733
No one thinks that thoughever

>>41341865
That we can’t even fuck so it doesn’t matter

>>41343795
do you want to stick your dick in vagina?

Do ftms like insecure boymoders or do I have to be a dominant transwoman queen

>>41343945
insecure boymoders r peak

Ill date pooners but im a manmoder that would be a hon if i socially transitioned

>>41343402
the insane thing out that account isnt that shes into race play. its that nicholas decker is one of her 20 followers.

>>41343787
not that anon but i was with my ex ftm and he made me want to get pregnant really bad and i wa slike sweating and squirting and then he broke up with me i need a furry ftm to be retargalated with me or i will cry and just like really hate hate hate hate hate hate hate my life

>>41341831 (OP)
More for me then..

>>41344302
you'll date them because they are easy to access and you cant' get anything better

>>41343137
I'm attracted to cis men and trans men because theyre men, I don't date cis men because they're cis. I don't really have a genital preference either way.

>>41343137
youre a stupid self hating pooner because you have one thing cis men never have. customizable dick size. and necessary scars (scars are cool) that being said i wish you guys played cooler video games and listened to better music stop listening to the bitches telling you to listen to QueerFurryNoisewall2892 and start listening to colchiiiiques dan les pres . Fleeuuuuuurrrissent fleurissent BUT NOWADAYS countless cis men are doing the same shit so both of you need to get your shit together but only that part. whatever. youre just gonna hate yourself anyways after this. i love you

>>41343898
Yes I want to stick my dick in a guy's holes

>>41341831 (OP)
Its because theres no satisfaction in sucking a stapon, straight women want to suck real dicks.
We know a trooner x pooner relationshould would devolve into the pooner wanting the transwomans gock whilst the transgirl also wants cock

A lot of transwomen get turned down cause they dont have pussies, but transwomen can still suck dick and get fucked so it makes sense its easier for straight dudes to overlook a lack of pussy. In contrast, its very hard for cocksuckers (Females) to overlook a lack of cock to suck.

That being said, Id fuck a pooner but wouldnt actually want a relationship with one

t.passing mtf

>>41344479
>passing
to lie on the internet is not just a right, it's a necessity.

>>41344499
A chud took his hands away from gooning to tranny porn long enough to reply to me
Im so flattered.
Anyway back to the topic of pooners being very cucked by the lack of dick that women want to suck.

>>41344460
so you are incapable of seeing one as a man

>>41344430
cis men can wear straps too, and even sheaths that go around their actual cock so they can feel it and a hole for their cum to shoot out of. also trans surgery scars do not look cool they look gross and clocky. i will work on hating myself a little less though.

>>41344598
it took you a good 12 minutes to come up with this "gotcha" reply doesnt that make you sad meanwhile i responded to you instantly with such a witty retort that it made the whole house go oooooooooooooooooooohhhh you got toooooold.
>>41344677
>cis men can wear straps too
we can talk about the can but its about the do. foolish one

>>41344693
they dont have to do anything but have a real dick

>>41344793
you literally say that because youve never experienced what having a real dick is like do you konw the expectations that come with having a dick it eneds to be thick and girthy which is already simply a genetic lottery then it has to either be white or black nothing inbetween which is also a genetic lottery and then you have to keep it clean with no dick cheese which is also arguably a genetic lottery. you skipped all of that and got character customization and you're sitting here complaining that disgusts me so much man you can't even . you can have a tentacle dick man. i dont care if that sounds like aap shit youre all aaps anyways just accept your fate and recognize the power vested withinyou

>>41341831 (OP)
I'm here for you kings if I would have voted on the poll it would have gone in your favour

>>41344811
woiu.d you let them inside you because if so i want you to fucking get in line i was here first theyre mine i love men

>>41341831 (OP)
Aw I love you, trans men. You have the best game, personalities, and some of you are stud as fuck

>>41344826
when a trans man spits game my panties drop immediately

>>41344817
you can go first angel I know a few trans boys I will likely let them hit it because they're sweethearts

>>41344693
Are you a bot?
Normal people dont sit refreshing threads for 15 minutes, I replied when I rechecked, you loser.

>>41341854
I'm a gay (well, bi but bisexuality isn't real) ftm with no interest in cis dick.

>>41344843
the last trans man i talked to told me i looked like a sad puppy that needed tending to... i still miss him

>>41344843
For real. They actually get it. It's nice

>>41344810
they can have a tentacle dick too and cum inside somebody

>>41344859
rabba rabba rabba room rabba rabba room room
>>41344848
this is a disgusting ban im upset at it im glad you were unbanned dont get banned again
>>41344892
the last ftm i had told me he wanted to take care of me in the way a man would and i wouldnt have to worry about a thing with him around and all i have to do is sit there ignore my dick and look pretty you know honestly i get little blessings and lose them just as fast
>>41344893
they also are extremely pervy but in a way that doesnt creep me out i dont get how they do it. maybe im just also a perv fujo and cis perversion is hentaihaven

>>41343498
Plus I think pooners like the idea of queerness whereas straight trannies don’t and Transbians only do as a cope
what causes this

Pooners should sell their rizz techniques to cis men

>>41344953
I will do my utmost to never get banned again I just wanted to tell everyone of my loud brap the mods are so eivl

>>41341831 (OP)
Too all my ftm friends reading this. I have never tried phallo dick so I do not know if I want this, but I am willing to try.

>>41341831 (OP)
The only hot ftm’s I’ve seen are only attracted to cis straight women. Have I ever found ftm’s hot? Yes but ones that pass and are on years of T. Them not having a dick is a turn off though, but, I’m willing to make an exception, as long as they’re masc and dominant. Then yes.

Plus being in a t4t relationship would be better as they’re more understanding. Pretty much just pass and have a long clit and be super dom and that’s hot.

>>41341831 (OP)
t4t doesnt mean ftm x mtf

>>41341831 (OP)

hi everyone, im the one that released the survey results and made the site. i kinda fucked up bad

i’m sorry about all this happening i was originally intending for these charts to be used interactively so that people can directly compare exclusive t4t vs exclusive t4c, and then enabling no preference themselves in order to see everything if they wanted.

i didn’t think about how screenshots aren’t actually interactive and so people who saw screenshots wouldn’t be able to enable the no preference option. i updated the site to make it clear that the graphs by default compare the exclusives against each other

the link to the interactive charts is desiresaregrey com/4transurvey2025/3/ so hopefully people dont get depressed cause of the screenshots anymore

>>41341831 (OP)
this means i can find my husbando!

>>41345814
no let me have my ropefuel

>>41343498
I absolutely despise being associated with queerness

>>41341831 (OP)
Wasn't 90% poons confirmed underage. I feel like they are just answering what they think they should be saying instead of what they really want.
Honestly the hate trans boys get from enjoying piv feels misogynistic

>>41341885
Cis men say so all the time

>>41346538
So you’re calling them women

I just like dick. I would happily fuck a post-phallo dood. idc how tall you are or anything like that. save up for phallo and we will put out

>>41343672
My 5'7 chaser brothers, we are so back!

>>41341831 (OP)
Considering that since maybe 5% of trans men are straigth, I feel like it does not matter

>>41343444
I feel the same way.
>>41344479
>In contrast, its very hard for cocksuckers (Females) to overlook a lack of cock to suck.
I feel like most women (females) hate dick. I never orgasm from it and sucking is 100% something you do just to make a man feel good. I get nothing out of it.

>>41346625
Congrats you are a lesbian

>>41346557
No, trans men experience misogyny. Its not misandry to hate a man enjoying piv, its misogyny cause haters see him as a woman. Cis bottoms or trans women who have their cocks sucked don't experience the same hate. If someone has a superior hole compared to shitter, why not use it?
Its funny browsing 4tran4 and see how the hate there is blown out everytime a trans man does soemething "feminine" vs when trans woman does something "masculine". Honestly 90% troons there are bitter and jealous.
Why do you care so much if a trans man does not hate everything feminine?
Honestly you people are pathetic.
>t.not a tranny but nooticing

>>41346628
I don't like women, only like men :)

>>41341854

If you’re going to troon out. There needs to be a requirement that you only go for other troons.
Tired of fucking pooners making the already TINY pool of gay men get even smaller, because they have a yaoi kink.
They also artificially increase the number of gay dudes at the same time.
“Oh I’m bi/pan bro. I’m totally into dudes” meanwhile they only want pooners.
Filling up my grindr grid and shit.
Quit.
If you wanna fuck dudes just be straight tomboys. Stop fucking with the lgb community.

I promise you’re just as heckin’ special unique and misunderstood individuals whether you’re tomboys or pooners. And there is no such thing as uwu anime boys. And heartstopper was written by a straight ciswoman—for women.

>>41346724
Heartstopper was good though

>>41346732
If you have no experience with actual gay men at all, and wanna larp then sure.

It’s not even remotely close to how gay relationships go.

A lot of teen romance shows are like that., but I mean at least sometimes irl straight relationships last and are romantic.

Gay guys? It immediately is about sex, and they don’t last a month or two.

I say this as a gay dude. Heartstopper is so unrealistic it’s disturbing.

i think i’d enjoy dating a trans guy if they’re ok with me crossdressing

>>41341831 (OP)
Poonbros are cool. I only know one poonbro though and he's gay

>>41346793
Yeah its obviously written by women. I don't need it to be accurate though. I knew gay teens that were similar enough to be able to look past the sexless relationships. I think that was mostly cus teen sex is gross to put in entertainment?

>>41346818
It is gross to put into media, but you’re either thinking anout “queer teens” or you’ve been lied to—when it comes to your experiences.

Cis-gay males are NOT anything like heartstopper.

They’re doing sex stuff the first date. And are not focusing soley on romance. They might “date” for a while and be all lovey similar to Heartstopper. But they’re not “taking things slow” like Heartstopper does. And if their relationship lasts for more than one year then they’re one in a thousand of gay couples.

>>41346625
>I feel like most women (females) hate dick
lmao
so detached from reality

Living as a ftm it's true chud experience of what incels always whine about and never experience.

Cis straight women: Can always find a cis chud who would pay and bring her mansion just cus she's pretty
Trans straight women: Need a 7'1 height beast with REAL cock and who's gonna pay for her wishes, always can have cis chud
Gay poons: They want a cis men cock.
Real lesbians: Dykes are not interested in masculine beasts
Straight cis men: Interested only in ftfemboy titty boi vaginahaver

Is over boys.

>>41346871
Its true. Dick brings no joy or orgasm. Most men have such a tiny dicks they don't even hit cervix

>>41343402
>QOS

>>41341831 (OP)
I'm mtf and would 100% unironically plow a trans boy IF he was:
>a femboy
>small and cute
>submissive
>likes piv
>willing to do near 24/7 lil bro/big sis incest roleplay with me in and outside the bedroom
Any takers?

>>41346652
It's misandry to say a man can't enjoy getting dicked

>>41342848
nta but I am into chad trans guys because they actively chose masculinity and that makes me metaphorically wet. they are self made in the most literal sense.

>>41341831 (OP)
This is funny compared to the survery made to cis people about the same topic and all the groups preffered ftm to mtf. Even gays and lesbians

>>41347048
Its misogyny since the hate comes from seeing them as women. They would be fine if a poon used his shithole for sex despite females lacking prostate and getting no pleasure from it. Idk maybe troon are bitter cause anal is their only option and they do some heavy projecting

>>41347171
Hahahaha anon afabs loooove anal. They cum from it so fast. U don't need a prostate when the vaginal wall is right there and thin. Ur silly anon

>>41347180
>t.delusional

Tfw no cis bf

I, an ftm, will never fuck transwomen again. Evil ass hoes who take advantage, bitch owes me $100 still. And no, I didn't bottom, I fuck her ass everynight

>>41347330
Ftms should date cis men anyway

>>41341831 (OP)
>trans women are very into... cis men
Fuck yeah. Cismen cant stop winning.

>>41344614
just gotta plap a tomboy

>>41346660
just gotta grind vulva and clitty with alt girls

>>41347352
>just gotta grind vulva and clitty with alt girls
I want a man of with a pussy

>>41345814
yeah this chart looks a lot more believable with the massive "no preference" columns present

>>41341889
ovarit is dead though

>>41347309
>>41347171
i hate it when virgin incel retards go online to talk about sex like they know anything about it. like someone told you, clamgirls love anal. theres a fuck ton more to anal pleasure than just the prostate. why do you think having your ass licked feels good? its sure as hell not stimulating the prostate, moron

>>41346652
It’s not a „superior hole”, it’s a „female hole”

>>41347646
Its objectively the superior hole compared to a shitter

>>41347478
Anal feels like shit so thats a massive cope. Maybe you are fine with prolapsed asshole but don't project like that

>>41347029
Bait

>>41347171
Considering it normal to do piv is considering them women

>>41347671
Why would they not use their sex organ to get plessure out of sex? You are just malding cause a person you don't know gets pleasure out of sex in a way you cannot. These arguments make no sense.

>>41346652
trans men have tdick to suck and piv isnt comparable to mtfs getting dick sucked. getting fucked in the vagina is womanly in the same way fucking somebody in the vagina with a penis is mannish.

>>41347976
No, there are cis men getting srs. Its about having an always clean nice hole to get fucked in.

>>41347702
because actual trans people have dysphoria and want to change sex and everything else is tomboy fakers or cis males who cant get laid normally. getting fucked in the vagina is a woman thing because its the woman part. and before you say "but men can have vaginas" yes they can but they shouldnt and that needs to be corrected with surgery or ignored during sex. if a trans man is without surgery then you should pretend the vagina doesnt exist. all that matters is the tdick and the asshole. stop trying to brainwash trans men into using a dry dysfunctional atrophied hole

>>41348044
90% of trans women never get srs and are just happy getting oral but they never get the same crazy amount of hate from it that a cute poon gets from enjoying piv. Why should trans men not use their pussy if it feels good? Why does it upset you so much? Not everybody has bottom dysphoria.

>>41348015
those cis men want to get fucked in the womanly way and they dont have a whole ass condition that is proven fake if they do it. and srsussy is not self cleaning (i dont mind though).

>>41341831 (OP)
I like penis. Nothing personal against trans men.

>>41348085
oral is not piv retard. transbians get rightful hate for wanting piv the same way poons do. you just want low self esteem tomboys to fuck and thats okay.

>>41347662
Sadly I am the real thing.

I'm the last strictly T4C straight trans guy

>>41341831 (OP)
There's just no reason to go for a pooner when cis men are so widely available and lonely because cis women hate them nowadays.

>>41348100
You hate when people you don't know have sex in ways that you don't like. You are a performative idiot

>>41348306
Cis people would prefer to date a poon over troon so its kinda funny circle

>>41348307
what am i performing? my hate is genuine

I tried going on a date with a trans man but he smelled weird and not like a cis man at all. It grossed me out.

>>41348335
That there is not some perfect way to be a tranny. You are not any better if you like to take a cock in your ass and have a diarrhea of cum&shit after sex. Its kind of pathetic to be so concerned over someone elsed sex life

>>41348364
you must suck at anal

>>41341831 (OP)
I don't get why poons would want date big male women when they have access to petite cis girls. Pretty sure they answered that way cause they are all underage and try to be supportive

>>41348376
Anal is piv from temu and its tiresome how you fags try to force it. Go get your prolapse girl!

>>41341831 (OP)
I mean... I don't mind st4t, even my mother some days ago was talking to me and going "Nona, I know you have it hard dating someone but I think would be cute you dating a boy who was a girl, that would make both know eachother faster... and plus you can have offspring".

Then I kinda broke her dreams of st4t telling her that one, getting my male partner pregnant is icky and two, literally biology does not recognize a uterus on t as something natural. But then told me that was okay if I can't have babies and she only wants me to see happy...

Love you mom <3

the beauty of t4t lesbianism must never be erased from the earth. I love my wife.

>>41344880
Iwish you existed irl

>>41348473
Its just two gay boys. You don't know what lesbianism is like. Gayden x gayden is more lesbian than u

>>41348502
I've been with men as a man, it's not at all the same as that.

>>41348397
you think all anal sex ends in prolapse, virgin.
>>41348473
im happy for you two

>>41348397
you are just a straight loser who cant get a normal gf because you think all sex has to be penetrative. us fags will enjoy giving and receiving anal like we always have.

>>41348652
when you take big dick all anal sex ends in prolapse
>>41348425
your mom is fujoing a st4t ship with you and some ayden

>>41348669
Haha the projection. You are a loser who cannot let other people enjoy theirs sexuality in a way it pleases them. You are a pathetic cuck. Let poons have piv if they wish.

>>41348648
Two fem males is what it objectively is since neither of you have any real concept of being female. Just call yourself transbians and stop using "lesbian"

>>41348473
they always go back to t4cis in the end sorry nona>>41347369

Pissed myself at work. Entirely uneventful as far as that goes. Being a tranny is occasionally a curse. Enjoy that fact the few freaks who are here.

>>41349151
what the fufk

>>41348844
women are free to get fucked i the vagina, i cant stop them

>>41348742
how is it fujo if its straight

>>41341831 (OP)
I'm sorry I need a man with a dick bigger than mine.

>>41349300
fujos did het ships too but also theres the added exoticized-queerness of you both being transgender so like food for eat i guess

>>41347029
>likes piv
you are disgusting chaser

>>41349371
dont give it attention

>>41349295
Men also love to get fucked in their vagina. Some cis men even get srs to to do it :3 cry about it u bitter shit. Its fembrained to be so scared what other people think that you rather get stick in your shitter vs a penis in the hole that was designed to take it.

>>41344430

>customizable dick size

Phalloplasty is a quarter of a million dollars or takes well over a decade. The cope shit about how FTMs have "earned masculinity" isn't even true given that you need to be wealthy in order to transition meaningfully.

+ Cis men can get penis cosmetic surgeries, infact far more do then trans men. Being able to spend 250k on getting a bigger dick isnt unique.

>>41344810

Women like real dick retard

>>41350128
Nah soon poons get big dicks grown in lab and they all become prison straight cause why would you put your designer penis into anything but a juicy vagina

>>41347029

You are exactly the problem.

>>41347159

Literally by 3-4% and predominantly for lesbians [IE : sees pooners as women]

If you want to be veiwed as a man it's fucking over for you.

>>41350226
Also by gay men and all bisexuals by a large a marging. Do gays also see them as women? How does that work?

>>41348085

If you don't have dysphoria you definitionally arent trans.

>>41350244

>Do gays also see them as women

Yeah. You ever been on grindr?

>>41350264
Why they want to date women?

>>41350184

Most men, if they even are lucky enough to get SRS at all, just get whatever shitty doctor they can afford. Witch often look terrible as you get what you pay for. Wanting a fucking million dollar penis is just not something realistic to expect.

>>41350276

You go on grindr, mark yourself as "gay" and play along just enough to fufill your detrans impreg fantasy with a pre-T cuntboy. Nobody seriously into men is into pooners because they don't have a dick & are less masculine. If you like FTMs you like women. Simple as.

>>41350312
Are these same men answering to surveys as a gay men? Use your brain

>>41350291
I know thailand will perfect lab grown genitals. Have some faith

>>41350332

For millions of dollars. You want a rich sugar daddy & not an FTM.

>>41342870
>troons have higher avg IQ
Only because agp males are giga geniuses and carrying the average up
Pooners and hsts are retards

>>41350324

>Are these same men answering to surveys as a gay men

Yes they are genuinely that retarded. Have you ever met these people.

question to straight T4T: why do you think ftm is better choice than cis man? both are male. trans struggle doesnt make them any better imho.

>>41350366
Its they poons that have highest iq you look at studies. Maybe cause convincing yourself that transitioning is a good idea when you are a hetero female reguires some special mindtricks

>>41342848
i would explain but then other people would be convinced and i'd have less trans men to myself

>>41343672
Is it ok if I am a 5'7 man on estrogen?

>>41350565

Ok so it's nothing.

>>41350683
no i literally mean what i said.

>>41350478
I have a fetish for them
Shared struggle makes them better
I just think they look better than any other group
I like forcemasc
I can't see myself with anyone else

And for some reason nobody ever believes me

>>41348097
This tbhon.

>>41349932
nobody is scared of tomboys and cis men with a feminization kink we just think theyre funny

>>41351237
ive been one of the most bitter people in this thread but i believe you because youre the only one who gave actual reasons other than "he will affirm my gender"

>>41351603
i litearlly gave you more reasons dawg now let me ride it

>>41341885
I want a gf with a dick

>>41347702
>You are just malding cause a person you don't know gets pleasure out of sex in a way you cannot
Yes I am malding over cis men but that’s unrelated

>>41348669
Otherwise it really isn’t sex

>>41348869
What is a concept of being female then

>>41349151
It’s always a curse, wtf are you talking about

>>41341831 (OP)
its not that i hate poonbros its just that my brain assumes lesbian background and that instantly kind of categorises FtMs as "fren" and therefore i dont view you in that kind of light. theres also, i need to be able to empathise with my partners life experiences. i chose my current bf because his specific experiences in life resonated so strongly with me it roused every aspect of my desire to look after him as well as love him.

>>41348869
>they dont know about twinkbianism

>>41341831 (OP)
trans men expect trans women to top

I am a disgusting neet agp MtF who's into trans guys, i am also chubby with big tits, 6'2" and my ass is fat. who want me

>>41349371
>>41349824
>>41350212
Wow, trans guys really hate the thought of having an mtf girlfriend...

>>41356047
why the fuck would FtMs want PiV?

>>41341831 (OP)
67 mentioned :fire: :fire: :fire:

>>41356090
The same reason a trans girl wants piv? It's hot and intimate.

>>41350312
Done this
got plap
Too fucking weird keeping up the he/him thing but it's not really a problem when you're talking to someone directly

>>41356222
so get SRS

>>41356366
No! MY penis in THEIR vagina.

>>41356423
fordidden
penis removal

>>41356429
Don't make me rip your phalloplasty off

>>41356458
im MtF

>>41356461
Okay? Get SRS and let's have some piv

>>41356608
im dating a cis man

>>41356676
So then why are you in a thread about st4t just to whine about how others get off with each other?

Girldick in boypussy

>>41357193
yeah but youre not though, are you?

>>41357211
Based and hot and fulfilling your souls primal needs

>>41357720
>>41357211
people for whom SRS should be mandatory

>>41357749
sexnegi freaks like you will be the first ones in the death camps

>>41357783
nah we wont tho
thatll be you, because straight boy in disguise jeeps are the most hated kind of tranny

Why are trans men so transphobic?

>>41341831 (OP)
Transgender people belong with other transgender people, however I don't like the idea of trannies reproducing and passing their genes on which is often the case in relationships where trannies (men) mate with ftm (women).

>>41357783
Sex before marriage should be illegal.
>>41357850
Because they’re cis women

>>41341831 (OP)
>be me, ftm
>have cis gf with nice fat hips and a soft, shortish face

i choose this over angular attention sluts who throw themselves at any validation opportunity they can due to their lack of reaffirmation as children due to being bon male.

also despite being a sperg my gf doesn't use le retard ":3" dialect like t4c trannies tend to for some reason. life is guud

>>41341831 (OP)
>they all lied, again
ACTUALLY, transwomen are primarily into each other. And other fem-leaning gynandromorphs such as femboys and HRT-femboys. An in-group dating preference, if you will.

BUT, for this survey they (predictably) claimed to be into gross cis men. Because it's all part of the act (:

You see, no transwomen wants to be labelled a "chaser" or an "AGP T4T transbian" anymore because normies would frown upon that. And the implication is Yaniv. So they have to pretend to be into men because it makes them feel more woman-like. Especially in the third-person thought fantasies. I hate to phrase it like this but biological males are inherent purity-spirallers, so they have to choose the most "what would cis women pick?" answer in these contexts.

>tl;dr the results are false for transwomen

>>41350584
No im straight. Get off that estrogen king