Thread 41349268

https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/gavin-newsom-vetoes-important-hrt

>Yesterday, California Governor Gavin Newsom signed a slate of pro-LGBTQ+ bills, earning quick praise from supporters who heralded the move as evidence of his commitment to equality. But buried beneath the wave of approval was a quieter, far more consequential act: a veto on an important protection bill for the transgender community. Newsom rejected a bill that would have allowed transgender people—and anyone using hormone therapy—to maintain a 12-month supply of their medication, a backstop designed to protect access amid federal crackdowns and supply disruptions. The bill would have also amended healthcare protection laws to explicitly protect gender identity. For many in the trans community, that veto could be far more consequential than any of the other bills signed.

>The bill, Senate Bill 418, passed with huge majorities earlier this year, with 60 votes for it and 18 against in the California assembly, and 29 votes for it and 10 against in the California Senate. The bill would mandate that insurers and pharmacists dispense 12 months of hormone therapy for those prescribed, unless a doctor specifically requested less. It also would state that discrimination on the basis of sex would explicitly include gender identity when it comes to insurance coverage: a key provision given that multiple California hospitals have dropped treatment for transgender youth in the wake of threats from the Trump administration. Now, this provision will not go into law given the Governor’s veto.

>>41349268 (OP)
>americans suffering

good

If he was brown /tttt/ would be calling this definitive proof that white supremacy is the only answer, but since he's white, he's a hero for this

>>41349351
>libs kowtow to fascism once again
>this is somehow white trannies' fault

god theyre really gonna push terminator for homeless people for president arent they

>>41349412
Yes and you will be shit on for not voting for him.

>>41349306
fpbp

>>41349412
and they’ve already been saying we’re not allowed to criticize him now, 3 years before the election

Before you go crying about Gavin hating trannies, read the bill and understand why it was veto'd. Letting people buy 12 months of any drug in advance without increased production just leads to extreme shortages. It sounds good in theory but the bill had nothing to explain where the extra HRT was going to come from

>>41349857
>stop trying to prepare for the future

>>41349268 (OP)
Idk why troons shit on Gavin Newsom so much. He's said "no trans women in women's sports" because like, 80+% of americans think that's the way it should be. He still supports legal sex changes, anti-discrimination laws, HRT access for minors and adults, bathroom access.

Troons would be immeasurably better off under Newsom than whatever Republican follows Trump. Idk why y'all can't just make a compromise and give up on the sports thing.

>>41349268 (OP)
Just how many reasons do we need to nuke california?

>>41349877
Nice greentext but that doesn't change reality where we can't just poof a 12 month supply of hrt for every tranny in California without first ramping up production of said hrt

>>41349880
didn’t he agree with one of his conservative dipshit podcast guests that people should wait til 25 to transition?

>>41349880
of course and if he runs for president against vance I would vote for him because I understand that isn't an endorsement of all of his positions but a statement about which of the options I actually have are best outcome, but that doesn't mean he's immune to criticism

>>41349902
Fuck off glownigger.

>>41349934
I'm sorry that basic facts upset you

>>41349911
https://www.cbsnews.com/sacramento/news/gavin-newsom-podcast-charlie-kirk-trans-athletes/

>>41349911
I haven't heard that, I just heard his trans sports comments. Regardless of what he said though his policies are across the board pro-trans. Politicians (especially super sleezy ones like Newsom) will just lie and people-please to whatever audience they're talking to, while having totally different stances when it comes to actual policy.

>>41349880
O just hate knowing they’re going to run this dipshit in 2028. He’s such an unserious wanker.

>>41349902
aren't HRT drugs multi-use drugs that are produced generically all over the world for a variety of purposes? how many trans people are there in california where letting them all get a 12 month supply is going to fuck up pharma warehouses globally?

>>41349959
he's more serious than AOC

>>41349960
seems that the bill would be for those taking hrt for non-trans reason too

>>41349959
They honestly need to run someone like Gavin in 2028. I've accepted that no Democratic politician is really going to bring meaningful change (Bernie was the last chance at that), so I'll settle for someone who at least respects the rule of law and democratic principles.

It's horrible but what the democrats don't need to do is run a woman, a POC, or a gay guy, they need to run a charismatic handsome straight cishet white dude, and Gavin fits the bill. We'll see how the primary plays out though. It'll be exciting after the 2024 snoozefest where you knew who the candidates would be 4 years in advance.

>>41349268 (OP)
12 month supply..thats living on the edge..
yeah its cool i can go have a heart attack and die, its fine.
i'll just do mad cocaine and kill myself.
bye.

>>41349972
Yeah and my dog is smarter than a goldfish but he shouldn’t be running for office

>>41349960
The problem is that the bill can't just discriminate to trannies only. Anyone on any hormone therapy could get a 12 month supply. So yes, the most populous state in the nation now asking for 12x the regular amount of specific drugs will in fact cause supply issues. Passing this leads to the rich getting their supply and then the poor being shit out of luck and unable to even get their normal supply

>>41349902
how is it that rando DIY suppliers and Chinese wholesalers never run out of estradiol but American doctors somehow can't find enough estrogen for all the trannies? that seems odd.

>>41349268 (OP)
>all trannies in california entitled to 12 months HRT
this would immediately spike the price of HRT and lead to all the troonware engineers stockpiling while you poors without insurance get forced off.

>>41350000
>rando DIY suppliers never run out
happens literally all the time

>>41349985
I know. It’s just annoying how predictable and transparent it is. It’s such a psyop of a party.

>>41350004
12 month supply of hrt for them is a hon dose to us. its more like a 4-6 month supply..

>>41349996
Yeah but are hormones for menopause women at any risk? The point of the proposal was for trans people to have a safeguard, there's no reason why rich cis women would want to hoard 12 months worth of estrogen

>>41350016
i mean you're partially right but still

if you go to a clinic you should just max dose everything and stockpile what you can and still stockpile /diy/ hrt too.

cause all it takes is 1 conflict. and this whole show will screech to a halt.
and you're on your own.

anywhere from a year to 20+ years

>>41349993
who would you propose? buttajug? sanders? hillary clinton + harris ticket?

>>41349268 (OP)

This is stupid because one vial of HRT should already last you a year unless your dose is super high. Two vials of 40 ml solution should definitely be enough fir a year.

>>41350027
i keep a 2 year supply. but presently im at 1.5 year supply. and realistically it miiight last me like 13-15 months or so.. maybe the full 1.5 years.
i just dont like my levels dipping under 400. it freaks me out too much.

>>41350033
Literally any random joe guy will do, don't do an establishment pick

>>41350045
>i keep a 2 year supply
ive been wanting to do this, how did you acquire this, like how do you convince a doctor to give you that

>>41350052
As I thought. The answer is nobody. There are no alternatives.

>>41350026
yeah..
i'm post op and can't get estrogen anymore since my doctor got spooked but i know multiple cis women who have no problems (and like completely refuse to understand my position)

>>41350010
never happened to me therefore it doesn't happen

>>41350026
With the economy going to shit, anyone who could afford it would buy a year supply because prices could spike tomorrow

The bills he actually passed which let anyone with a name or gender change permanently seal that record and the one that prevents databases on who is on hrt is what keeps us out of camps. Gavin is a real one

gavin is overrated
first of all he is from commifornia, that hollywood shit isnt going to play in the south and midwest.
Second of all all his opponent has to do is get some stock footage of fent zombies and riots and spread it across social media like tik tok and youtube and say "do you see what he did to California, can we afford to have it happen to america".

when i was a wee lad, the talking heads on tv said the front runners would be clinton and Giuliani, ended up being obama and mccain, nothing is set in stone and the 2028 democratic primaries are going to be a all out knock down slugfest with like over 9000 democrats running, can you even imagine how many skeletons patrick bateman jr has in his closet.

>>41350557
>can you even imagine how many skeletons patrick bateman jr has in his closet
This is exactly why I think he'll be fine. Trump is fine because he's comes off as a crazy retard, so if you call him a crazy retard, people will be like "yeah I know."
So if Newsom has skeletons in his closet, everyone will be like "yeah he looks like Patrick Bateman, we know"

>>41350068
i buy diy vials and get prescribed alot of different hrt things. and max them out for what they can legally prescribe and then dose them how i want. and i get a emergency stockpile. but i dont let them sit for long, i work through the oldest first, so it all stays fresh.

i get insane anxiety attacks if they keep me on the line like that and keep me limited to 1 mnth supply.
i can literally become suiciidal and go crazy and get heart problems and all sorts of shit.

its for my own safety and peace of mind.

and i dont care what people think. it works for me.

>>41349880
He doesn't actually give a fuck he does whatever will get him to the presidency and he's an asshole. If it benefitted him he'd throw us into the woodchipper without a second thought.

>>41349857
Anon this is dumb like incredibly dumb, are you retarded?

No factory only makes enough to satisfy the needs of today and ramping up production is easy. The reality is that there would be a slight dip in supply followed most likely by a slight over supply and then a leveling off as they account for new production numbers.

>>41351068
What fantasy world are you living in? This isn't fucking factorio. They cant just press the "make more estrogen" button in a factory. I mean we just fucking saw diabetics get fucked by supply issue from rich people buying their drugs for weight loss. Like that is still an ongoing issue happening right now.

>>41351642
Glownigger.

>>41349880
It's a MAGA psyop because they fear Newsom.
It's the same way they paid "lefties" to protest Kamala over Gaza

>>41351931
How much does ShareBlue pay you?

>>41349268 (OP)
>>Yesterday, California Governor Gavin Newsom signed a slate of pro-LGBTQ+ bills, earning quick praise from supporters who heralded the move as evidence of his commitment to equality. But buried beneath the wave of approval was a quieter, far more consequential act: a veto on an important protection bill for the transgender community. Newsom rejected a bill that would have allowed transgender people—and anyone using hormone therapy—to maintain a 12-month supply of their medication, a backstop designed to protect access amid federal crackdowns and supply disruptions. The bill would have also amended healthcare protection laws to explicitly protect gender identity. For many in the trans community, that veto could be far more consequential than any of the other bills signed.
jesus fuck healthcare is so fucked, in america especially (has been in general over there for centuries). basic fucking bodily autonomy what the fuck why is this an unpopular opinion why do reddit fucks go erm ackshually to 'can i have a short term stockpile of safe lifesaving medication i literally couldn't abuse or overdose to if i tried my absolute hardest and am paying for in full?'

fucking fuck fuck fuck how is china the authoritarian 1984 unlivable country when theyre 10x better with you at least actually having a say in what medications you have access to and basic control over your body. FUCK I HATE SHRINKS. how do people avoid slowly going insane and despising all state bodies, do they just live in ignorant bliss or what?

>>41349946
Didn't he veto a bill about trans women in female jails?

>>41352209
>>41349946
>Newsom vetoed several bills, passed by the Assembly by a wide margin, one of which would have instructed judges who preside over custody battles to take a parent's affirmation of a child's gender identity into account, and another of which would have mandated that insurance plans serving California residents cover the cost of gender-affirming care
Evil

>>41352220
he’s just another co-opting neo-lib, i think it’s pretty obvious he’s just gonna turn on trannies like the rest of them if he ever gets into office. trannies are the ultimate scapegoat. you can theoretically genocide a race entirely, but trannies will NEVER stop being created. they’ll never stop

>>41349880
Gavin Newsom is an asshole who would do literally anything for corporate money. He would shovel poor people into an incinerator if it got him a little more $$ from donors.

The rest of the country is worse, but the bar being in hell doesn't mean we have to speak nicely about him.

>>41352220
>Newsom vetoed several bills

Newsom has vetoed right to repair on power wheelchairs. He gives no fucks about his most vulnerable constituents.

IDC, I'm voting for Andy!

>>41349985
This, better things aren't possible

>>41352209
>>41352220
>>41352309
>>41352529
He'll be your best friend during the campaign season for the next presidential election.
Pinky swear.

>>41352209
>>41352220
>>41352309
>>41352529

fuck every single one of you niggers who votes for newscum. FUCK EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU DEMONIC SEMEN SHIT GOBBLERS.

>>41352628
what did i do to you wtf
I hope you become a hon for doing this to me

I'll still vote for him over the worse alternatives but you're a cuck, a pickme, and doing the work of the enemy if you don't acknowledge he's happy to throw us under the bus for a bit of clout or potential advisory demographic performance

>>41352209
this is another compromise troons should make. you have separate sections for trans women in men's jails especially if they've been convicted of sex crimes. it's an optics nuke to have trans women sex criminals in women's prisons.

>>41352220
Again, yeah to most people it's insane to take ppl's kids because they won't put them on hormones. I know around here y'all think it's child abuse to not trans your kid but most normal people think it should be left up to the parent.

Newsom makes reasonable compromises on trans issues while remaining steadfast on the important stuff (insurance coverage, protection from discrimination, no bathroom bills, etc) and y'all shit on him for not being like 100% a TRA. The trans community has to make compromises

>>41352309
>>41352529
I don't disagree but I'm totally blackpilled on American politics. The best I can hope for is that the government/economy doesn't collapse or become too authoritarian. With Newsom things probably don't go down the fascist route like it might with another Republican.

I don't know what people on the left expect. The left has very little political power in America- there's maybe 20-30 congressmen, 5-10 senators who could be classified as dem socs / social democrats and that's about it. The left in America is disorganized and has terrible optics. The ship has sailed on meaningful change. Time to accept reality and settle for another shitlib who at least won't send troops into American cities and go after his political rivals in the courts.

>>41352617
>He'll be your best friend during the campaign season for the next presidential election.

well, he's not doing a great job at it. he keeps floating horrible new policies one after another and backing away when people hate it

>>41352757
you support the permanent and non-consensual mutilation and rape of the soul and body of children, through forcing them to be poisoned by testosterone. You are a monster and you deserve the worst.

>>41352757
>you have separate sections for trans women in men's jails
Just say you want trannies to rot in solitary confinement until they're insane enough to beg to be v-coded. Its acceptable now, you don't have to pretend

>>41352757
>Time to accept reality and settle
Nigger.

he would be the absolute worst president of all fucking time, that's why I'M VOTING ANDY BITCHES AND ALL OF YOU SHOULD TOO

>>41350072
The alternatives are way better

>>41352782
Yeah, the natural course of someone's puberty constitutes "permanent and non-consensual mutliation". You realize we come into existence non-consensually? We don't choose to be born into bodies, to get diseases, to struggle.

I guarantee you there's no way to crater "trans rights" in America more than it already has than by insisting kids should be taken from their parents if they don't stop their puberty and give them cross-sex hormones. Y'all are seriously out of touch- make compromises!

>>41352788
No, a separate wing would be ideal. Again, it craters optics for troons to have trans women sex criminals in women's prisons. Compromises guys

>>41352757
>you have separate sections for trans women in men's jails especially if they've been convicted of sex crimes. it's an optics nuke to have trans women sex criminals in women's prisons.
I heccin love vcoding!

>>41352814
Intentionally poisoning a kid, or letting a kid be poisoned, with your knowledge, with the ability but with refusal to prevent long term harm, is monstrous.
No compromise when it comes to the well-being on children.

>>41352814
There will never be a separate wing for trannies that doesn't amount to solitary because theres simply too few of us in prison. I don't care about optics when what's at stake amounts to either state sanctioned rape or psychological torture if a tranny is ever caught with slightly too much of an illicit substance

>>41352757
lol

>>41352814
lmao

>>41352814
Recognizing GD is a legit medical issue necessitates recognizing that the refusal to treat it is the same as refusing to have your child's leukemia treated because of personal religious beliefs.

>>41352842
>There will never be a separate wing for trannies that doesn't amount to solitary because theres simply too few of us in prison.

I'm not saying it's doable in this political climate, but the obvious thing to do is a more humane prison system where there is regular socializing with professionals, especially for those not in the general population

>>41352920
Sure, and for as long as we don't have that, we still shouldn't put trans women in solitary confinement or hand them out as rape toys over imaginary concerns or 'optics'

>>41352835
natural puberty = poison apparently. Y'all are in this echo chamber and don't realize how insane you sound to normal people.

>>41352911
It's not a legitimate medical issue in the way that something like cancer is. At best, you can compare it to ADHD or depression. And in those cases, treatment doesn't entail permanent sterilization and the disruption of puberty. Of course, most TRAs today also oppose transmedicalism (as do many on this board), which is the only way this line would make sense.

>>41352966
>natural puberty = poison apparently
Oh yeah, let's let kids die by cancer, it's natural after all!
The average normie is transphobic we know that

>>41352966
>It's not a legitimate medical issue
Alright, nothing more to see here, you're not a reasonable actor.
>Muh sterilization
Oh god it's fucking gincel.

>>41352966
You should try flossing with razor wire

>>41352961
>Sure, and for as long as we don't have that, we still shouldn't put trans women in solitary confinement or hand them out as rape toys over imaginary concerns or 'optics'

I mean, yeah I agree.

>>41351642
I used to work in a factory that produced daily we would get multiple reports throughout the day of order every day. Dropping another 10,000 units on us out of the blue was simply not that big of a deal. Yes some companies keep bare minimum stock and components but preparing for something like this when it is slow moving legislation is literally an email forecast away.

This is why it helps when some of the opinionated buckets on here actually have some real world experience instead of what they think is common sense.

>>41352814
>You realize we come into existence non-consensually?
Yes, anon, now you're starting to get it!

>>41352966
>natural=le good

>>41349268 (OP)
Why do they keep pumping this guy, If everybody already knows he's gonna automatically win?

Gavin isn't terrible, he does do the bare minimum sometimes which is more than I expect from Trump.

>>41354944
Was it a hormone factory?

I am a chem eng nerd, do you know what the process was.

>>41357057
Never said he was, just, isnt it a waste of money? There is no need, His family already got it in the bag. Whats the point of fighting over it?

>>41349268 (OP)
>maintain a 12-month supply of their medication, a backstop designed to protect access amid federal crackdowns and supply disruptions.
HRT is hitting the prepper community now?!

>It's horrible but what the democrats don't need to do is run a woman, a POC, or a gay guy

Even the LGBT community would never accept a woman or effeminate gay guy, let's face it. The posts on this board tell me everything.

>>41359795
The people posting on this board are the worst specimens of the LGBT community. Everyone on this website is an awful degenerate and shouldn't be considered representative of any community

>>41349880
>Troons would be immeasurably better off under Newsom than whatever Republican follows Trump
absolutely. however, a democratic party that nominates newsom will not be capable of winning and moving the culture in a favorable in the longer term. a democratic party which nominates newsom will have looked at the 2024 campaign and concluded "we need to get more racist and sexist", rather than "we need to actually persuade people our controversial positions are good instead of refusing to talk about them and giving our opponents room to define us."
the optimal place to stop newsom is the primary. depending on how bad he gets in the inevitable pivot to the social conservative """center""", it may be worth letting him lose in the general in order to force the party to rethink itself, but i'm not going to make that call now.

WITH JEWS YOU LOSE NO MATTER WHO

>>41358352
>not already a prepper
ngmi