Thread 41395508

>can't pass unless you have cis fem friends to teach you what you need to pass
>can't make cis fem friends unless you already pass
so where are you honestly even supposed to begin as an ugly, autistic socially retarded manmoder? it literally never began for hons

>>41395508 (OP)
what makes you think you need to pass as a woman to make friends with women?

>>41395508 (OP)
If you were trutrans you would never had this problem.

Your first point is off; cis women know nothing about passing and will likely give you advice that is bad.

>>41395508 (OP)
Wtf are you on about? If you don't have/cant make women friends to begin with just forget about it

You probably come off as a creepy incel
Most succesful trannies had tons of female friends because they were faggots to begin with
>>41395540
This is also true.. They can help with beauty and hair but the idea of passing is just going to offend them and make them self conscious and hate trannies more than they probably already do

>>41395535
I think that unless you were clinically intersex or anorexic, it's just world fallacy to say that you had to have a weak and delayed puberty to be trutrans

>>41395546
Yeah like I've for sure leaned some stuff from cis women but the only people who have taught me anything about passing are dolls. My cis women are friends not mentors lol. I don't imagine them as having something I lack.

>>41395540
i wouldn't ask them for direct passing advice, but you will just passively learn things like makeup and how to dress well if you're friends with cis women

>>41395559
>Makeup
They can maybe teach you some basics if you are literally starting from nothing but like, those are not hard to learn. Cis women are generally not good at makeup. Most have a few basic skills they know. They absolutely have no idea how to make you pass better using makeup, in fact many of them might masculinise their face (sharp cheekbone/jaw contouring for example). Like sure you can learn some stuff, a cis girl taught me one of my favourite ways to do my lips for example. But you are putting them on a pedestal.

If you want someone in your life to teach you makeup that helps you pass make friends with a doll. Even a giga fem twink or a drag queen would be a better bet. Cis women are not what you think they are.

Same goes for dressing well. Most don't.

>>41395559
Sorry following on from >>41395575
You should, instead of wanting to adsorb femininity passively from cis women, actively start teaching yourself these things.

>>41395575
>If you want someone in your life to teach you makeup that helps you pass make friends with a doll
just as impossible as making friends with women if you're ugly or honnish

>>41395575
maybe that's true. i had no interest or need in learning makeup to pass. i'm not putting anyone on a pedestal, but hanging around people who have been doing something that's new to you for half their life will help you find shortcuts to what suits you etc. i don't know why you write like you know some secret truth about cis women that i don't, i'm probably older than you

>>41395593
Your issue is your self esteem. I would not want to be friends with a tranny who hates herself like this, its true. Stop seeing your transsexuality as something disgusting because you're right that is a red flag and its also holding you back.

>>41395603
If you're older than me and still this kind of baby tranny then I feel sorry for you frankly

>>41395613
i think you probably took my post to mean something that it doesn't

>>41395607
my issue is i'm fucking subhumanly ugly and i'll never pass. transexuality is disgusting when ppl like me think they can try but only end up ruining it for real trans girls

>>41395639
Your right... if thats the case then just give up. your a walking psyop and part of the reason people hate trannies

>>41395535
>gynecomastia
Having this pre hrt is actually sucks, I feel like it’s the reason my boob growth wasn’t great. Sorry just bugged me lol.

>>41395639
How long have you been transitioning? Do you girlmode? Have you ever tried any of the stuff spoke about in this thread (makeup etc)? Hows your voice?
>>41395638
My point was not that I know cis women better, its that I have achieved things you say you want and therefore do know things about this that you do not. Including a better understanding of what it means to be a passing trans woman vs a cis woman. Your original posts made out that you see cis women as something they are not; they do not have something you lack other than a uterus.

>>41395706
> My point was not that I know cis women better, it’s that I have achieved things you say you want and therefore do know things about this that you do not. Including a better understanding of what it means to be a passing trans woman vs a cis woman.
NTA but I don’t have problems passing or anything but I still feel stuck in this mindset where I just assume cis women are better then me and I’m worthless, it kinda just destroys me on inside. How the hell do work your way out this?

>>41395744
I think it helps to have friends who are trans but not like the kind of trans you see on this board. If you only speak to women like you who hate themselves and their transness, you will have a harder time unlearning this. More importantly its a matter of self love. Sorry I know that sounds trite but its true. As soon as you earnestly work on being kinder to yourself you will have an easier time seeing that trans womanhood is not some worse version of cis womanhood. It is it's own thing and that can just be neutral, there is no need to imagine cis women as owning womanhood.

If I was being even more sentimental I'd say that trans women have access to a sort of femininity that cis women do not. We are more conscious of this stuff, we are self made. You can see your transness as a curse or you can see it as granting you some god given right to being a doll. Effort maxxing helped me realise this about myself. I would also suggest building yourself as much material stability as you can, its a lot easier to feel secure in yourself when you're meeting your own needs entirely.

>>41395784
THIS
You need to look at it from the POV that trans women can be more beautiful than cis women because you can customize yourself to look however you want

>>41395784
It probably doesn’t help that I have no trans friends IRL just cis ones so I don’t talk about trans stuff at all with them, I just let this space be where I can talk about it. I’m overly critical on myself in general so it plays into it maybe and I feel like purposely browsing or seeking out places just to read vile shit about us didn’t help either.
> If I was being even more sentimental I'd say that trans women have access to a sort of femininity that cis women do not. We are more conscious of this stuff, we are self made. You can see your transness as a curse or you can see it as granting you some god given right to being a doll. Effort maxxing helped me realise this about myself.
Never actually thought of it that way, thank you sis.

>>41395898
Also I think that baby trannies aside trans women have our own culture and enjoy femininity in a way cis women often don't. Its cool.
>>41395997
For what its worth figuring out how to love yourself in a world that imagines us as ugly monsters is really hard! Its something we all have to go through, regardless of if you're 4chan brained or not. At least we process it fully, I see a lot of false-positivity trans women who never get to actual meaningful self love because they never sit with this shame and self loathing. You owe it to yourself to not get sucked into the cycles you describe, of being self critical and seeking out info that validates that self hatred. Girl the world is cruel enough to us already, we cannot allow ourselves to be cruel to ourselves. I think for me this all gets tied up into feeling a lot of love for other trans women, its hard to hate yourself if you see all the ways your sisters are cool and hot. You're gonna make it nona just get your chin up.

>>41395508 (OP)
You don't. 60% of men and 30% of women have never passed on their genes. The odds of you ever getting someone to ever consider you fuckable are actually pretty low if you look make or even remotely like an ugly woman. If you're in the bottom two thirds of men, or bottom third of women, you will literally never look presentable enough to even make friends, because friends are predicated on connections with people you would be willing to fuck in the right contexts. Just because those contexts aren't met in most friendships doesn't mean the sentiment isn't there, and thus you fail at them because of this hidden agenda.