Thread 41512007

https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/every-trans-suicide-is-a-murder-by

>Just days ago, Middlebury College in Vermont announced the tragic death of Lia Smith, a transgender student and former athlete at the school. In the days that followed, a clearer picture of her life emerged: she was a passionate advocate for transgender rights, a devoted teammate before leaving athletics in the 2023-2024 season, and someone who, like so many visible trans people today, faced relentless hostility. While we may never know the exact reasons she took her own life, her death came amid a wave of Republican attacks on transgender student athletes and sweeping Trump administration restrictions on transgender people across nearly every aspect of life. To call her death merely a suicide misses the larger truth—no suicide happens in a vacuum. Policies designed to make life unlivable for transgender people bear responsibility too; every trans suicide is a murder by those in power.

>To understand Lia’s life before her passing is to see the power of what acceptance can make possible. She was a model student—proof that when transgender people are allowed to live authentically, the benefits ripple outward. Lia double-majored in computer science and statistics, played in the Chess and Japanese clubs, loved music, and competed on the women’s swimming and diving team until she left, citing the pressure and isolation she felt as a transgender athlete who “didn’t feel welcome.” Her departure came amid a growing wave of anti-trans policies on college campuses, as states began banning transgender athletes in 2022—a wave that has only intensified since into national bans. That hostility marked the beginning of what every transgender person now recognizes: a coordinated effort to legislate us out of public life.

Nobody cares about some random bitch that couldn't handle reality.

>>41512027
Idk anon, this is pretty sad. If the trannies are killing themselves over sports exclusion I guess the question is how many ciswoman have killed themselves over losing a trophy to a tranny and since the answer to that is literally zero I guess we should flip back to allowing trannies in women's sports.

>>41512007 (OP)
there should be accountability for this

>>41512049
This is such a stupid take. It's like your gf holding you hostage because she is threatening to kill herself if you dont give her, her way.

No.

We can't compete fairly against cispeople. Deal with it.

There seems to be this misconception that we can convince cispeople to simultaneous respect us while also seeing us as disabled and offering us help like old ladies and people in wheelchairs get. It's peak delusion. The best thing we can do for us and them is let them have the sanctity of their spaces and do our own thing.

>>41512007 (OP)
Jesus christ shut the fuck up

>>41512103
>We
>How do you do fellow trannies, I think we should all be excluded from public life and treated like monsters! It's only fair!
Yeah sure.

>>41512119
Oh im faketrans because I have a realistic view of the world and our position in it?

Im fucking done pretending queer/leftists/progressive takes have any merit because it seems like all they are doing is antagonizing normal people and painting a target on us.

>>41512213
>Oh im faketrans
Not even that far, more like an obvious falseflag.

>>41512103
>It's like your gf holding you hostage because she is threatening to kill herself if you dont give her, her way
Don't care, going to favor the side of harm reduction. If ciswomen start killing themselves over trannies in sports we can re-evaluate which group has a higher suicide rate as a result of this policy at that time!

>We can't compete fairly against cispeople
That point is extremely debatable to begin with. There are extremely few examples of trannies outright crushing ciswomen and they all happen in non-professional leagues anyways.

>>41512007 (OP)
>hon
Nothing of value was lost

>>41512213
Anon, why do you not include us in "normal people"?

>>41512007 (OP)
>hons after being rejected from being in foid spaces

>>41512007 (OP)

Look i am mourning this girl too but don't use hysterical over the top language. It's everyone's responsibility to not kill themselves. Killing herself was her choice, and an extremely selfish one at that. Making her mother deal with that guilt is unthinkable to me. We also don't know every detail of her life. But if you tell people that they're transphobia caused the suicide they are just going to double down thinking transphobia gets them the results they want.

>>41512104
Do not speak to Jesus like that young man

>>41512213

NTA but it seems very weird to base all your morality on the fact that having the right position antagonize bad people. Isn't it to be expected that when you're right, bad people will disagree with you?

>>41512425
>Killing herself was her choice, and an extremely selfish one at that. Making her mother deal with that guilt
Arguments like this never made sense to me. It's like you're downplaying a person's experiences and treating them like subordinate possessions of their parents. How they feel doesn't matter, only how someone else feels.

>>41512273
That's because you are an extremist.

Im concerned with how we can coexist with normies and not have them cut off all of our medical care, cut off our access to hormones, and go scorched earth on us with jobs and housing protections. Cause those are the next steps if we keep on antagonizing them. We need to stop forcing ourselves into their lives.

>>41512277
It's funny how total harm is never reduced. Instead somebody gets enabled to keep doing whatever and the harm is redistributed to groups you don't have sympathy for. Instead of calling it harm reduction maybe call it "other people can put up with it"

>>41512293
>Normal: conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected
Trans people are 1% of the population. Unless you want to change the meaning of words, we are not normal.

>>41512049
>I guess we should flip back to allowing trannies in women's sports.
Why can't they just work for a Darwin award?

>>41512488
Nigger they don't think you're one of the good ones.

>>41512069
>there should be accountability for this
There is.
For the person who took their own life.
Their body, their choice.

>>41512471
All familycucks think like that

>>41512449
I don't understand your point well enough to give you a response

>>41512509
that post was aimed at humans with hearts, you may safely disregard it

>>41512521

Do you base every belief on what the majority wants or what "normal" people want? If so why have democracy at all? Isn't it possible for something to be right even if the majority doesn't agree with it?

>>41512534
>that post was aimed at humans with hearts, you may safely disregard it
Heckin empathy or smth

>>41512571
sh*rty is the new r*ddit, child, go back

>>41512534
I have a heart.
I just don't have tolerance for emotional blackmailing by terrorists.

>>41512588
>terrorists
schizo

>>41512501
You know, most people judge you by your appearance so if you can act normal, you fit in.

Its a really damaging belief (and a self fulfilling prophecy) to go around thinking you'll never fit in. You should work on that.

Sports are segregated by sex not gender

>>41512579
>sh*rty is the new r*ddit, child, go back

>>41512471

are you saying you're... in favor of people committing suicide?

She had accepting parents, and elite school, access to medical treatment. She also wasn't kicked off the sports team-- although she said she felt unaccepted.

She had things many trans people including me could only dream of, and if she had sucked it up and lived for another 10 years she would have had an amazing life.

Her suicide was incredibly selfish and I am guessing was assisted by alcohol or drugs that reduced her inhibition.

Acknowledging reality means understanding that only you truly have the power to take care of yourself and not kill yourself. Waiting for Donald Trump and JD Vance to change their minds in response to begging posts by Erininthemorning is just going to make you want to KYS more.

Wojak posters belong in concentration camps

>>41512608
No, I'm arguing against the philosophical basis of your argument.

>>41512615
>wojak

>>41512567
Not at all. But I do acknowledge that when im part of 1% of the population that I need to tread softly because all the progressive platitudes in the world does not change human nature or how large groups treat minorities.

They will never, ever, treat queers or any other deviants fairly. All screaming about that is going to do is produce a violent reaction. The trick is to figure out how to get your way and get what you need while slipping under the radar. The best fight is the one you dont have. We as a community need to figure out how to get what we need (core protections, medical care) with out fighting 30-50% of the country. Cause if we keep fighting the masses, the masses are going to Nazi Germany on us. We do not have the power for a head on confrontation.

>>41512488
>That's because you are an extremist.
I don't think it's an extremist position to not want to be completely exiled from public life. See, that's the thing, you're arguing that trans people shouldn't interact with society AT ALL, and live in parallel in, I don't know, ghettos? It's why it's such an obvious falseflag. You're not doing the pickme "We should just avoid sports!" shit, but outright arguing we should be isolated in ghettos like fucking third world third gender castes.

>>41512593
Terrorist

>>41512488
>Im concerned with how we can coexist with normies
>>41512698
>you're arguing that trans people shouldn't interact with society AT ALL

NO YOU HAVE TO LET ME WIN OR ILL KILL MYSELF >:((((((

>>41512727
Your ideal of coexistence is living isolated in ghettos, yes.

>>41512608
So you are jealous

>>41512698
You arent exiled. You just can't be super weird and expect non weird people to treat you like you are one of them. Why is that so fucking difficult for you to understand?

Other people are as entitled to their opinion that they want everybody in society looking like a normie as you are wanting people to be completely free. Your opinion is worth 1 unit, their opinion is worth 1 unit.

Im not arguing that trans people should be exiled. Im arguing that we need to reel it in and fly under the radar. If we want to be treated like normies we need to appear to be normies.

Why are you taking the position that it's unreasonable for society to say they don't accept the clothing choices of a 32 year old transwoman dressed like a 14 year old goth girl?

>>41512007 (OP)
People are not required to buy into your delusions and mental illness. You had a few years of government and corporate protection despite clearly being the minority, take that and be happy. Enjoy the next century of violent oppression because you deserve it. You personally and the entire movement more broadly.

>>41512069
There is accountability - its called telling LGBT to fuck off and stop bothering normal people.

>>41512843
I'm not them. I don't believe in coexistence.
Transgenderism needs to be beaten into submission and broken to the point it wouldn't be able to gain such institutional power again.

>>41513025
Nah. Society needs to accept trans people arent going away. Trans people need to be waaay more reasonable about what they expect society to concede to them.

>>41512007 (OP)
trans women are women? OK, I don't give a fuck about some stupid dumb cunt that killed herself. ugly bitch makes her death not even fit to jerk off over

>>41512471

It doesn't seem like you actually did that you just said "but what about how the person feels?" And I am not disputing that the person in question felt bad. But trying to make transphobes feel ashamed or responsible for your death that is a way harder sell than convincing yourself to not kill yourself.

>>41512935

No, not given that she's dead and I get to keep eating cheeseburgers. I didn't know who this person was until I learned about it on 4chan.

>>41512119
I strongly believe trannies are 3rd party genders/roles but should not be demonized.
Othered? Sure.
Makes sense. Tons of people are "abnormal". Tons of people are different in ways from a mainline.
That just happens, all the time.

>>41514896
based burgermaxxer

>>41512007 (OP)
>threatening suicide to get what you want
Why are troons so disgustingly abusive?

>>41514896
opportunity is everywhere just stop eating and put some work in

>>41514994
She didn't threaten anything and appeared to have made an effort to khs away from others

Blame Lia Thomas for this

>>41513023
>annoyed by group you've never had to directly deal with for ~10 years
>Enjoy the next century of violent oppression because you deserve it.
Rational "white" American male response. Make sure to turn on the heated seats while riding your F-1488 to work tomorrow.

>>41512488
>It's funny how total harm is never reduced
The harm being reduced is less tranny suicide

>the harm is redistributed
The harm is clearly NOT redistributed if ciswomen don't kill themselves in response to trannies in sports. One might even say they don't actually give a fuck about it at all.