Thread 41574469

I hate being genderfluid I feel so stupid and autistic like "hmm yes I know I spent all this time and effort to transition and pass as a woman but now I wanna look like a femboy twunk but also still be able to pass as hyperfemme and then sometimes come off as butch but also just cisman"
Why is my gender so stupid why can't I just be someone who has one gender and it stays like that the whole time

>>41574469 (OP)
I feel you being genderfluid is mad embarrassing sometimes. I did a couple years of HRT, bought makeup, gained some muscle, and wardobemaxxed to have a range of both masculine and feminine styles to chose from depending on how I feel that day (I'm kind of a fashion faggot in general). But in the end everyone just assumes I'm a trans woman so whatever

>>41574469 (OP)
because is a very instintive thing. gender cannot be conceptualized as you think and more often than not our idealized self doesn't really have a name in our lenguage. i know this a very butlerian idea but is true. i want to dress and see myself as a woman, but not being a woman quite yet. i also love my male genitals. and is not a fetish since i dont get turn on by it. is the only thing i think about. i am non-binary? maybe, i dont want to fully accept it because how cringe it sounds, but sometimes is the only anwser left

>>41574469 (OP)
I don’t think I would feel any need to be nb if it was ok to be a cis male that takes hrt and looks like a woman

>>41574709
Hrt femboy...

>>41574469 (OP)
genderfluid/non binary is just a less offensive way of saying Peter Pan syndrome/autopedophilia

>>41574709
You can be an hrt cis male, you don't even have to identify as femboy cus thats its own next level of cringe

>>41574469 (OP)
I was genderfluid once, then my mom and dad hooked up and I became gendersolid

I've never seen the gender fluid thing in a way that isn't cope. Once every tranny becomes hot they immediately just go "whatever I'm a woman"

>>41575236
having any kind of gender identity is a cope, even for cissoids. it's all just one big performance to try and fit in where you want to belong in society.

>>41574469 (OP)
i feel the same, even if im currently just a theyfab id ideally wanna transition and what would actually describe me better in that case would be ftm. i just dont know why i feel so attached to the meaningless nonbinary label, in theory itd only serve to explain a more feminine presentation if i transitioned (like a femboy) but in more special terms. but ive still never been fond of the inevitable distinction thered have to be when someone wants to know whether youre afab or amab, and the direction you get inevitably pushed to depending on which you are, especially regarding sexuality.

>>41575236
this is true

who cares though
you're just internalizing enbyphobia

>>41574469 (OP)
everyone is genderfluid but life is about compromise. im sure a lot of straight cis men would like to look like vampire twunks, but they settle for being more masculine. ultimately you either become a feminine woman or a masculine man as thats how biology works.

>>41576198
>everyone is genderfluid but
then why does everyone hate on genderfluid people?

>>41574469 (OP)
Only gender fluid you'll get is on your chin.

>>41576198
>im sure a lot of straight cis men would like to look like vampire twunks
I'm sure you know nothing other than how to project your desires on others.

>>41576198
>everyone is genderfluid
so nobody is genderfluid
this is just "gender is a vibe" stuff
what you mean is that gendered presentation is arbitrary and you can dress more or less gendered on different days
I swear cissex genderfluid and nonbinary people literally just don't believe in gender dysphoria and think actual transsexuals are liars who just want to dress in a certain way for fun.

>>41576286
gender dysphoria ebbs and flows for some people though

>>41576311
it is normal to feel more or less gender dysphoria on different days when your mood is different. People with depression are also not 100% depressed every day.
that's not the same as claiming to feel like a man one day and a woman the next

>>41576286
i dont believe in gender dysphoria because i dont want to believe i have it

>>41576241
i would rather look more feminine but what is wrong with what im saying, the body is fixed but the mind is flexible. most men are bald hairy and ugly, why is it controversial to suggest that they dont want to look like that but simply accept and or get used to it

>>41576214
because the biological reality is something everyone has to suck up and accept and then some fag comes along trying to be special and have what literally everyone who has ever lived wants by identifying with something that everyone else usually gives up on by age 16

>>41574594
please go away to reddit

>>41574709
youre literally just a woman dumbass

>>41576897
every day i am further convinced that nonbinary was a psyop to make fewer trans people transition

>>41576434
i stopped coping with gender dysphoria this way at like 11. 99% of people do not want to be gender fluid and would feel disgusting about it

>>41576417
Because you ASSUME that all men think like you and act like you.
Most men are quite proud of dad bods, being a silver fox, being bald, etc.
It's all about being happy with yourself, something you seemingly don't understand.

>>41576980
hes probably a virgin or a bottom or something. most men would be extremely dysphoric waking up as a skinny twink who cant throw their wife around in bed and isnt taken seriously by society

>>41576926
honestly nonbinary is just gender limbo for a lot of people who are insecure about expressing who they really are desu. but i wish we really treated it more like a separate thing on its own like third gender like it was intended to initially. it just so happens that a large portion of people who think they feel like a third gender do so from a lack of self worth and its just sad

I'm not genderfluid or nonbinary, but this is reminding me that once upon a time I read a study by a neurologist that I admire about gender fluidity.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/337063431_Alternating_Gender_Individuals_Who_Frequently_Switch_Between_Feeling_Male_and_Female

>>41574469 (OP)
in my mind it just translates to
>androgynous style and submissive demeanor
and I end up having a bit of a crush on every nonbiney I've ever met because that's hot

>>41578158
at least you think of it as that and not annoying performative transmisogynistic gender abolitionist. i doubt the ones you knew were afab though

>>41578179
I knew several afab and met one amab
the last one I didn't realize was hitting on me until like a week later
regrets regrets

>>41574469 (OP)
Anyone who thinks retarded shit like this is categorically a woman, so congratulations I guess.

>>41576927
i grew up in a conservative family. i thought that transness and homosexuality were bad because everyone harboured tranny thoughts and latent same-sex attraction, that normal people suppressed them, and that only immoral people would act on them
it later dawned on me that that probably projection

>>41578350
sorry you had to go through that. this upbringing gives a weird mix of stunting you in some ways but also granting wisdom and empathy in others

>>41578447
yeah. i feel like it mellows you out and makes you cautious, too. which can be a good thing
>>41577554
bless enbycopers and enbymoders
sometimes
>who they really are
doesn't exist until it's willed into being. and if that doesn't happen, the holding pattern can also be who someone really is. there often isn't a hidden perfect truth underneath but instead a story in the making

>>41579401
trvth

>>41574469 (OP)
ok

>>41576286
i think everyone has gender dysphoria to some extent. gymbros who are roiding to be more masculine have gender dysphoria, a man going bald taking hair loss pills has gender dysphoria. a woman putting on makeup to be more pretty has gender dysphoria. we just dont call it that because its a universal experience and is much more mild than what a tranny has. in this sense everyone is genderfluid because everyone has a gendered target of what they want to be like

No one has a gender
You have a preferred presentation / character you feel you need to maintain

Everyone masks
Everyone acts
We all fucking do this

>>41583518
you're conflating gender dysphoria with body dysmorphia and general gendered social ideals/norms

>>41577007
This.
Imagine having to ask your wife to open the jar of pickles for you.

>>41583518
gender dysphoria means wanting the characteristics of the opposite sex
I get that the name isn't very precise, but "gender dysphoria" does not actually mean wanting to be prettier as a woman, or be more masculine as a man, or for a woman to be unhappy with having small boobs, or whatever else. It means wanting the characteristics of the opposite sex. By definition, a man who wants to be more masculine cannot have gender dysphoria.