Thread 41602819

The lgbt was this stupid? Why should I associate with them? Just because I’m gay doesn’t mean I’m retarded.

Gay people struggle thinking for themselves okay. For thousands of years they struggled to survive.

>>41602819 (OP)
People can have beliefs

>>41602835
Okay well, sometimes mistakes are maliciously bad, thobeit. The inability to take accountability for to poor decision making is even more dangerous, as if puts forth a horrific precedent of apathy.

Gay people have no one but themselves to blame for willingly/ignorantly supporting something that would have gotten them killed in truly horrific ways.

All they had to do was research and educate themselves on Muslim culture and Arab psychology. Or just history. To see that this shit has happened already, dozens of times. Liberals take Arabs in and then they get fucked. They get dead. Look at Iran. Look at Lebanon.

>>41602875
The inability to take accountability for this* poor decision making

as it* puts forth a horrific precedent

>>41602819 (OP)
Like almost everything on the progressive left, it's not meant to make sense. It's just meant to attack tradition. The more absurd the better honestly.

Motive how the LGBT stays quiet on the matter now? It’s because they know they have been had. They know they’ve made a big oopsie.

Notice how the LGBT stays quiet on the matter now? It’s because they know they have been had. They know they’ve made a big oopsie.

>>41602900
If "tradition" to you means supporting Israel, that's honestly kinda sad

>>41602819 (OP)
genocide is bad
apartheid is bad
universal human rights are good
if your morality permits genocide then homophobia and transphobia is just a matter of how long until you become a culture war wedge instead of a matter of human rights

>>41602819 (OP)
My sexuality is regularly ignored in LGBT spaces (gender fluid), so I don't much care for them. I like reading this board though because it's fun.
I haven't met a vocal LGBT supporter irl who wasn't weird though.

>>41602819 (OP)
I don't understand how opposing genocide and being gay are conflicting ideas

>>41602819 (OP)
Try viewing Palestinians as a people in the same way as you might view, lets say, Portuguese people, or Bulgarian people, or Tibetan people, or whatever. Instead of adhering to this view that's been actively promoted by the far right for 30+ years where all the peoples of the Middle East just get collapsed into this homogenous, inhuman mass of "Islam".

>>41603219
Good goy 50 billion to Israel right now

>>41603287
>not being selectively bleeding-heart about Palestine means I support Israel or the Jew
All desert people can bomb each other into a crater for all I care. I only care about the West and Whiteness.

>>41603381
Palestinians as a vast, vast majority support what happened on Oct 7th and don’t want Hamas disarmed. Palestinians are as vile as they come. I only have pity for their children for being indoctrinated at such a young age. They are forever fucked. You cannot save them either. Not unless you literally go in and blow up the whole goddamned system.

>>41603670
>Oh look these people who we displaced and whose land we've colonized for 70+ years want to fight back and kill the settlers
>This proves they're inherently evil and we must kill them all
You're utterly vile, like honestly beyond redemption

>>41603771
>displaced
Stop saying this. Jews lived in the region along with Muslims and Christians and the entire Islamic world was kicking out Jews from their own lands in numbers far larger than le Nakba, which only occurred because Muslims left voluntarily expecting the Jews to be massacred by incoming forces. They lost and weren’t allowed back in. The Muslims and Arabs who stayed in Israel, and fought for Israel, became Israeli Muslim. Why would Israel let back in a people who want to see all Jews dead?

Also. The region was a fucking dead land before the Jews came and revived it. It was a backwater that nobody wanted. The Jews purchased the shittiest, swampiest areas fair and square, and Jordan can be considered the true Palestinian state.

>>41603771
It’s been 70 years and now even anti Zionists are arguing that Palestinians need to grow up and move on, since Israel isn’t going anywhere, and has a right to defend itself.

boy you kikes are gonna get the gas chambers soon

>>41603771
Why is it always the Muslims attacking Israel and never the other way around? Israel always defends itself.

>>41603821
>since Israel isn’t going anywhere
that's not true, it's continuing to expand into palestine

>>41603808
The overwhelming majority of Israeli Jews are descended from Zionist settlers. The whole Zionist project was concieved from the start and supported by European empires as a colonial project where the Palestinians would be "removed" to make way for European Jews. Theodore Herzl said as much himself. Without the Zionist project, Jews never would have been forced to leave North Africa or other Middle Eastern countries. They'd lived there for centuries in relative harmony with their Muslim and Christian neighbours and without European (including European Jewish) colonial meddling there was no indication that was about to suddenly change. Stop trying to muddy the waters with this "we were always here, we were attacked first" bullshit. Israelis are the most disgusting people on the planet.

>>41603287
leftists support palestine because they've deluded themselves into believing that jews are white european settlers, when they're actually semitic and half of israel's population is brown and mizrahi/sephardi anyway. in the leftoid's eyes white = bad, it's as simple as that

>>41603869
Um. Israel left Gaza in 2005. Hamas had twenty years to make a respectable and independent state for themselves with all the money sent from Qatar and Israel.

Israel is not expanding. It’s bent over backwards conceding. It’s offered several peace deals. All rejected. Muslims want it all. They don’t want to live next to Jews period.

>>41603898
Sorry. It’s been too long. Israel isn’t going anywhere. Palestinians need to grow up and move on. They made their choices. Even anti-Zionists like Hitchens said as much. “Israel despite its dumb origins is now a western power and should be able to exist”. Etc.

Stop being butthurt about the past. Start caring about your children’s children’s children.

>>41603899
No Jews, No News.

Worse shit is happening in the world right now and nobody cares. Actual genocides are happening and nobody cares. Muslim retards do way worse shit to each other but nobody - especially not their fellow Muslims - ever seems to care.

Just shows how people are sheeple.

Christians are being massacred for being Christian in Africa but the world is silent.

Jews try to save Muslims from their evil overlords and the world screams in pain.

>>41603962
It really is that bizarro

>>41602819 (OP)
well it's not genuine. like all identity politics slogans, "queers for X" is just a way narcissist use to make something about them. if they actually respected palestinians they wouldn't try to hijack their struggle with messaging about lgbt rights that have nothing to do with their beliefs, or the conflict with israel

>>41603929
>Israel isn’t going anywhere
No state is invincible or eternal despite their delusions to the contrary
>Palestinians need to grow up and move on
This is a matter of their future, not merely of the past
>They made their choices
So did the people who died on October 7. Become a colonial frontier settler, prepare to pay the price
>Even anti-Zionists like Hitchens
lol, lmao even

You know the funny thing, despite all of this "Israel is not going anywhere" rhetoric, Israel is failing. Israel, despite two plus years of genocidal war, hasn't eliminated the Palestinian population of Gaza. They haven't eliminated the Palestinian resistance. And they've increasingly alienated large numbers of people in even their most diehard Western allies. To the point that people in New York City of all places are willing to vote in a Muslim leftist mayor. Israelis must know that if they do this again, it will only get worse. The world has increasingly had enough of that belligerent little settler state and its constant obnoxious whining about "muh antisemitism" while carpet bombing and starving civilians. Israel will lose.

>>41603899
You know, if you actually tried to think outside your dumb little /pol/ brain box where you think leftists hate white settlers for being white, you'd realise the contradiction here. Settlers suck because they're settlers, because they're by definition thieves and murderers. It doesn't matter if they're white or brown. Its just that historically, they overwhelmingly do tend to be white, and its part of how the whole idea of being "white" has been created in the first place.

>>41604078
most people in the world live in places that were conquered or stolen from someone else. you only choose to hyperfixate on israel because you think jews are white. your everpresent messaging about jews having to "go back to poland" tells me everything I need to know about your motives

>>41604047
>This is a matter of their future
Are you being ironic on purpose? Gazans had jobs in Israel.

>>41604047
>Israel, despite two plus years of genocidal war, hasn't eliminated the Palestinian population of Gaza.

That’s because it’s not a genocide. They aren’t trying to genocide Palestinians no matter how many times you claim it.

>>41604078
>Settlers suck because they're settlers, because they're by definition thieves and murderers
The white man made North America great again. Deal with it. Natives refused to accept the benefits they offered. Just like how Arabs refuse the benefits the Jews offer.

>>41604047
>Israel is failing. Israel, despite two plus years of genocidal war, hasn't eliminated the Palestinian population of Gaza
yeah almost as if that wasn't the goal and you have been delusional for the past two years

Crazy how the lgbt is now lumped in with low iq people

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>>41604333
wow the seething of this baby killer, impressive
stop killing kids

>>41604078
Because of British influence and later rule the population of India doubled. After their independence it skyrocketed. Their life expectancy is higher.

>>41604372
You’re just speaking out your mouth and not your brain at this point

>>41604372
it's not my fault that palestinians refuse to fight according to the laws of war and civilians die as a result

>>41604316
Ok, so it only becomes a genocide when every last one is dead. So the Holocaust wasn't a genocide then because there are still European Jews who survived. If the Nazis were actually attempting a genocide, why did they let people keep living in the camps, huh? Why didn't they kill all of them??? This is literally what you sound like.

>>41604534
The Nazis were trying to kill as many innocent Jews as possible. Israel isn’t trying to kill as many innocent Muslims as possible. They are in fact trying to minimize casualty. They could glass the entire region in a single day if they wanted to.

>>41604655
>They are in fact trying to minimize casualty
Yeah Auschwitz was also basically a holiday camp too

>>41604655
no actually they could not do that you fucking moron

>>41604419
it is your fault baby killer, their blood is on your hands

>>41604697
Israel isn’t throwing innocent Muslims into camps, or into gas chambers, you retarded frogposter.
>>41604711
They absolutely could wreck Gaza in a single night anon.

>>41604860
no they actually couldn't

>>41604893
Oh yes they could. That you are denying this is hilarious.

>>41602819 (OP)
>if you’re gay you HAVE to like genocide or else you’re a RETARD
double digit IQ post. next time please add the following disclaimer: “I have never read or listened to any opinions that disagree with me”

>>41602819 (OP)
Because retards don't understand that solidarity is a two way street, and that tolerance is a contract not a virtue.

There's no virtue in enabling your own oppression just because InTeRsEcTiOnALiSm

>>41602819 (OP)
Identities are always propagandized. Just dont make being queer ur personality

>>41604925
It’s not genocide, though. It’s just war. You may as well argue that any instance of two ethnic factions battling it out is a genocide. Arabs are Semitic too, by the way.

Hamas/Gazans started this war. You’re supposed to hate them for that reason alone. They put Israel in this position. They forced them to retaliate. Sinwar knew this. He uses families and children as fuel for the PR war. Sacrifices.

When you’re a wartime leader you’re at times forced to become indistinguishable from a psychopath to save or defend your own people. The alternative is not doing anything and letting yourself get killed.

Liberals basically expect Israel to just not do anything. “Just let them attack you. Put up a better fence if you hate it”.

>>41604987
Israel should never have been created

>won't somebody think of the poor Arabs that would throw me off a roof / stone me to death / imprison me for life / burn me alive for my immutable characteristics????

It's bad guys killing bad guys over there. Who fucking cares, and what am I supposed to do about it, and why should I stick my neck out for people who's stone age blood God tells them to kill me?

>>41604960
you are in denial or have been lied to. sorry bud
>Arabs are Semitic
nobody asked

>>41604987
>The alternative is not doing anything and letting yourself get killed.
Israel didn’t actually have to retaliate. It could have just ignored the retards. But they took hostages, so…..
>Liberals basically expect Israel to just not do anything
They will cheer for the death of someone who supported gays. They will support terrorists who will murder gays. Liberals are pathetic and frightened pushovers.
>“Just let them attack you. Put up a better fence if you hate it”.
Pretty much. They will let Muslims get away with literally anything.

>>41605012
Arabs do worse shit to each other and no one calls it a genocide. Look at what they are doing to Afghans. Muslims don’t give a single fuck about what’s happening to the Uighurs in China either.

>>41605011
What’s scary if they can’t see who’s the more evil of the two. One is so massively more so evil and yet they cannot see it.

>>41605027
>They will cheer for the death of someone who supporter gays
Who is that

>>41605035
> what’s happening to the Uighurs in China
lmao you actually fell for that CIA meme? like I said, you have been lied to. and you are just a supremely stupid person so it’s easy to fool you. sorry again bud

>>41605068
Charlie Kirk. He didn’t consider gay marriage canon. That’s it. He had gay friends who he invited over for dinner. He knew married gay people. He didn’t want their right to get married taken away, he just didn’t consider it biblically canon, and that was his opinion.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FJmcqjP8mhk&pp=ygUYQ2hhcmxpZSBraXJrIHZzIGFudGkgZ2F5

But liberals are happy about his death. It is so fucking bizarre.

>>41603287
Lets not forget that jews are the ones who propped up a lot of lgbt movements while also importing mudslimes, its called divide and conquer

>>41605071
I’ve seen the photos. Keep sperging out.

>>41604419
israel backed hamas to help it overcome rival secular palestinian resistance movements
https://web.archive.org/web/20090926212507/http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123275572295011847.html
israel therefore bears moral responsibility for hamas's actions and can't use them to exonerate itself. if israel can't work things out with these guys like civilized people, maybe israel shouldn't have put them in power. yes, that puts israel in a difficult position today. too bad. israel should have thought of that possibility before it backed them.

>>41605120
>I’ve seen the photos
Lmao you really are a midwit. it’s actually scary that ppl like you probably vote.

>>41603771
Now let us see you say the same about brown people colonizing white countries
Oh wait your belief system is hating whites and you think jews are white so brown people are always angels and whites always evil

>>41604860
>Israel isn’t throwing innocent Muslims into camps, or into gas chambers
Nah they've just been raining high explosives on them, destroying all infrastructure, and creating a vast refugee crisis, tens of thousands of displaced people and the conditions for famine.

Like seriously, does anybody actually believe that Israel just wants to topple Hamas and that they ultimately want to live in peace with the Palestinian people of Gaza and the West Bank after that? Well we can already see how they've been colonizing the West Bank. We've already seen members of the Knesset say they want to see Jewish settlements built on the ruins of Gaza. Its not exactly a fucking secret that Israel ultimately wants the Palestinian population of Gaza either dead, removed or depleted to the point they can be outnumbered by Israeli Jewish settlers and for the whole territory to be completely conquered and integrated into the rest of Israel. People in Israel fly flags saying "Make Gaza Jewish Again". They want this. Trump has openly boasted of his proposal to turn Gaza into a "riviera" for rich Israelis and first world tourists to enjoy themselves over the bones of the people who once lived there. None of this is being kept secret. You are a wretched lying cunt and the fact you feel the need to lie shows that you know you are in the wrong.

>>41605114
That’s not unique to Jews. Jews and white people are both to blame for allowing immigration to happen. Liberal cancer. Only the minority of whites and Jews pointed out that this would spell the end for the west. And it’s happening in real time. No one is apologizing to the people who warned society.

>>41605050
>oppressed because brown, and bad people can never be oppressed, therefore, good BECAUSE oppressed
Liberal logic

>>41605137
Oh wow look at that, the noble defenders of Israel regurgitating /pol/ neo-nazi talking points, how surprising

Mmmmmmhh

>>41605106
I only wish that the video had more pizazz. It was so tame, ppl acted as if it was the most horrible video ever and I was expecting Tarantino grindhouse levels of arterial spray but I saw worse shit online when I was 9

I'm no fan of idiot midwit performative fake liberal allies who think all minorities are saints, but pretending Charlie kirk was in favour of gay marriage or trans people is profoundly intellectually Dishonest. He was cut from the exact same cloth of religious zeal and hatred as the ppl in the middle east. All stone age blood cults are bad, all stone age blood cults hate us. The only difference is the frail separation of church and state here in the west (which is in the process of being abolished because of project 2025, Charlie kirk and his kindred) compared to the fusion of church and state in the middle east.

>>41605156
>defender of Israel
lol
>neo-nazi
They are a bit to the left of me

>>41605144
A two state solution is not possible in this generation due to 1. Hatred for Jews, and 2. You don’t reward bad behaviour

But, setting morality aside, why and how do you even care for children who will grow up to try to kill more of Jews, and their own people in tribal warfare? Why not? Don’t you want to save Palestinians from themselves?

The sad reality is that the only people in Israel who don't want total genocide are sociopathic capitalists who hate the idea of the Palestinian race dying out because it would mean the loss of a huge revenue stream for the military industrial complex. Nobody has any illusions about peaceful coexistence being possible.

No genocide is happening, in fact. Those famines are self inflicted by Hamas who shoots at their own trying to get to food. Just like how Hamas executes its own on a daily basis. If you aren’t in, you’re dead.

Palestinians need to grow the fuck up. Israel left Gaza in 2005, vacating entire Jewish settlements for the sake of the Gazans, and Hamas had twenty fucking years to use the millions given to them by Qatar and Hamas to make a respectable and independent state for themselves. But they didn’t. They instead turned their water pipes into bombs and turned the hospitals the Jews built/left for them into terrorist bases, when they crowd kids and families to use as PR fuel.

You’d have to be an idiot to favor Muslims over Jews. Sorry. The latter aren’t a race of Luddites who want to return to a sand age where familial honor killings happen regularly. Jewish fathers don’t stone their daughters to death.

>>41603317
>nnnnyyyyoooooo I can't become a wedgerinoooooo I simply have to allow brownoids to throw my own people off the rooferiniiiiiis
listen to yourself retard

>>41605192
>but pretending Charlie kirk was in favour of gay marriage or trans people is profoundly intellectually Dishonest
He wasn’t in favor of gay marriage. But he wasn’t against it being legally allowed. He was an advocate for free speech and free expression within reasonable means. He did not care what you did behind your own closed doors. Some people just like the heteronormality of the marriage ritual, and there’s nothing wrong with that.

>>41605213
Qatar and Israel* (and yes, Israel actually tried to retard wrangle Hamas so they could do something good for once - in a desperate attempt to prevent a unified Palestinian state at the time - you don’t allow a state to form that pays money for dead Jews)

Just another reason why a Palestinian state cannot exist in this generation. That level of hate has to die out first.

>>41605213
This is genocidal rhetoric. At least just be honest about it instead of being so mealy mouthed.

>>41605231
He was a Christian nationalist. He was cut from the same cloth as Hamas. LGBT people will never be safe while religoids have influence and control over states.

If I had a button I could press that would make all religoids disappear forever I'd press it, because I know for a fucking fact if they had a button they could press to make all fags disappear they'd press it in a heartbeat.

As much as I want to be virtuous, tolerating intolerance is a losing game, and I'm not going to die the chump who chooses trust in the prisoners dilemma when I know the other party fucking hates me

>>41605144
Trump will realize what Israel has been dealing with for decades once they break their peace deal and Trump says “fucking go for it” and Jews and Americans both annihilate Poopestine forever.

Hamas doesn’t realize how fucked it is. It cannot afford to go back to its ways without making orange man mad. And by that point Israel is assured victory.

>>41605265
Nah it’s just math. The math says this will continue happening if Israel lives next to a bunch of insane freaks who keep trying to kill all Israeli.

>>41605213
"israel left gaza" is misleading here, because israel has consistently asserted a right to control all flows of goods and people into and out of gaza while denying any responsibility for what happens to its population
you can't run an independent state on that basis. israel has to choose: it can control gaza and bear responsibility for its inhabitants, or it can leave gaza to its own devices and lift the siege.

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>>41605296
>there's no genocide happening but they deserve it

>>41605268
>If I had a button I could press that would make all religoids disappear forever I'd press it
This would get rid of the majority of the scientific community since science is now a religion in essence. Religious thinking, or cult mentality, isn’t exclusive to religion or cults. Humans are sheep addicted to fads. Blindly following authority or dogma are traits inherent to man.

>>41605315
The majority of Palestinians support what happened on Oct 7th and don’t want them to disarm Hamas - the people who are terrorizing them. They have Stockholm syndrome for their oppressors (not the Jews) and they voted them into power.

Even the son of the founder of Hamas is saying that Palestinians are indistinguishable from Hamas terrorists at this point. Many of them were seen invading alongside Hamas on Oct 7th. They are complicit for the most part. They cheer for the death of Israel.

Palestinians are just retarded anon. There is a very good reason why no other Islamic nation will take them in. Muslims know how Muslims act. White people just don’t.

>>41605321
>science is now a religion
Holy retard take. Science can be demonstrated. If I doubt something, it can be tested. Religion is non falsifiable, intangible, faith based. Faith and trust are definitionally and categorically different and you're an actual midwit and or retard if you can't distinguish between the two. Calling Science a religion is the biggest fucking religoid cope ever and assumes that everyone else is just as baselessly uninformed about their own beliefs as you are yours.

>>41605353
Sorry. Half of the scientific community can’t even tell you what a woman is. If you say black people are less intelligent than white people, or that men cannot get pregnant, you are labeled the equivalent of a witch.

Quantum quacks also believe in a variant of God in the form of quantum uncertainty to be sure.

You aren’t intelligent enough to spot the parallels. Religion is itself a precursor to science in observation-theory.

>>41605353
Physicists get mad when you say anything that isn’t verifiable is indistinguishable from magic. They hate this because they hate empowering the unknown. This is because humans hate being in the unknown. This is why religion was formed. Atheists are another form of gnostic. Pic related.

>>41605353
>Faith and trust are definitionally and categorically different
You sound indoctrinated. Replace trust with truth.

>>41605472
If the Precursor is definitionally the same as the iteration, then surely we human beings are single cell organisms, yesterday is tomorrow, and houses are trees.

>>41605472
>science doesn’t support my racism or transphobia therefore it must be wrong
lmao your caretaker definitely spits in your food

>>41605472
>Quantum quacks also believe in a variant of God in the form of quantum uncertainty to be sure.
you are genuinely mentally retarded (but also popular science was a mistake. someone with your brain should be able to live a full, healthy life doing manual labor in decent work conditions and never have to hear the word "quantum".)

>>41605353
>Calling Science a religion
Trust
The
Science™

(The greatest scientific minds in history were dissenters)

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>>41605500
You guys are actual retards, enjoy pleading about being one of the good ones when ICE pivots to rounding up trannies and fags next

>>41605509
Do you really think biological variance stops at the brain? Do you really think life doesn’t have a goal(“goal”)? Fuck me. You are why the LGBT is associated with low IQs now.

>>41605520
Not only are you an indoctrinated scum bag, you’re insane to boot! Meds.

>>41605512
Take it up with /sci/

>>>/sci/16829236

>>41605529
The only fathomable "goal" life has is turning as much nonliving matter into living matter as it can, and even that isn't a conscious thing, just a byproduct of the ouroboros of existence.
>>41605543
Ok retard I'm gonna go fuck my boyfriend but keep seething and malding about science being fake and religion being real lmao

>>41605563
The goal of physics is to change. The goal of life is to propagate. You can only argue these aren’t goals in the sense that causality/evolution isn’t aware / an overly sophisticated blind idiot.

>>41605529
>I cannot imagine a goal or meaning to life beyond the base, animalistic, biological imperatives I infer by observation. I will never transcend this and self-author or ascribe meaning from a complex system of interrelational, abstract symbols as human beings have some for tens of thousands of years because I am mentally deficient. My existence must be reducible to the most fundamental chemical interactions which I believe are somehow dictating a teleology I accept as absolutely and universally true because I am again a double digit IQ, profoundly uncreative, likely autistic retard
yea we know bro.

>>41605558
gibberish
the OP image is word salad just like your earlier "quantum quacks" bit i replied to
/sci/ is unusable for any topic which has been the victim of science popularization, because too many people have heard the terms involved without ever having to actually learn what they mean, so all they can do with them is generate slop.

>>41605576
Correct, causality and evolution are not aware and therefore cannot have a goal any more than a chemical reaction has a goal. It has a thing it does, but its categorically not a "goal" because it is not willful.

>>41605641
Yeah. No. We know causality is motion. There’s a very simplistic goal there. Do plants not have goals? Do clams not have goals?

>>41605632
/sci/ is based because it didn’t fall for the religious psyop like you did. You don’t think for yourself. You listen to high priest Fauci and take the jab like a good boy.

>>41605695
... are you comparing physics, like the entirety of physics, to a clam?

Dude you are genuinely the dumbest motherfucker who thinks he's smart that this hurts. I am actively losing what little faith I have in humanity in this sorry excuse for a conversation.

Religious people genuinely need to be removed from humankind because things will never get better while dumb monkeys like you are enabling narcissists and psychopaths around the globe because you're too fucking stupid to think

>>41605641
Adaptation is a goal.

>>41605723
Do you think clams aren’t physics? Your only argument is that goals require a conscious awareness. That isn’t exactly true. There are goals being met in nature all the time. You’re just being pedantic because you’re pissy about reality.

>>41605723
Religiously scientific people who reject all forms of dissent are indistinguishable from religious zealots. Remove those as well and I agree.

>>41605723
>like, dude, you are dumb and I am like so wow’d
You sound cringe

>>41605758
Science is built on dissent and iteration. A world without dissent is a religious one.

>>41605768
>>41605749
See you in the ICE rape camp bestie, maybe they'll go soft on you if you tell them how much you hate science and love jesus

>>41605641
Life appears to have a goal without being self-aware due to biological mechanisms shaped by natural selection that result in goal-directed behavior, a concept known as teleonomy, rather than conscious intention (teleology). Organisms respond to environmental cues to survive and reproduce, a process that looks purposeful but is driven by non-conscious programming and feedback loop.

>>41605707
>You listen to high priest Fauci and take the jab like a good boy.
i didn't, actually. the whole US government response to wuhan sars was mentally retarded, including the vaccine rollout
most people simply weren't at much risk from the disease by the time the vaccines were available, and it was knowable ahead of time that the vaccines weren't going to stop transmission, but government lied about both those things in order to increase vaccine uptake
that is what i believe about wuhan sars. that is who is telling you that you do not understand contemporary physics well enough to even make a statement about it that can be straightforwardly analyzed as being true or false. you are stringing words you have heard together without ever having had to do any actual work of predicting reality using the concepts that the words refer to. you don't know what you're saying, you're not even really saying anything.

>>41605770
And yet according to big brains like Weinstein we’ve been in an intellectual dark age since the 70s and string theorists and their haughty ostracizing behaviours is why fundamental physics has stagnated.

And no. Bringing up UFOs is a form of dissent that will get your funds removed.

>>41605796
I love how we shut the world down and fucked up our lives careers education and future and turned a whole generation of adolescents entering adulthood into fucking retards to protect boomers from themselves and they hate us for it

>>41605749
NTA but something categorically cannot be a “goal” if it is highly contingent, random, arbitrary, etc. Evolution and change are by their nature highly contingent and arbitrary. There is no objective “goal.” The natural world is a void of benign indifference and chaos. Even if we assume the “goal” of a fungus, it tells us nothing about what to value or establish for ourselves as goals as human beings. “Adaptation” and “change” for example are not a goal - they are observed properties of the natural world. That’s like saying what I should have for breakfast is digestion. Fundamentally incoherent.

>>41605770
Religion is about dogma. There’s definitely scientific dogma. Science is an authority. I don’t think you realize how simple of a concept religion is. It’s not just believing in gods or spirits.

>>41605818
>NTA but something categorically cannot be a “goal” if it is highly contingent, random, arbitrary, etc
Life’s propagation is actually quite simple and quite specific. The randomness is in between that point. It’s not inevitable, but it’s the only actual goal in that sense. To survive.

>>41605832
Sure I'll give you that, but religion is THE dogma that has been used to justify a great deal of harm to human beings. I think the big difference is that science fundamentally should not be dogmatic, while religion can only be dogmatic.

>>41605818
>There is no objective “goal.”
Nah. Of course there is. Things Happen. That’s the goal/“goal” of causality. Again, even unaware forms of life seek to propagate. If your idea of a goal is something conscious, then your semantics is quite limited.

>>41603317
not all humans are equal or equally valuable. palestinians have been nothing but a violent pain in the ass to everybody. they earned this the same way a murderer earns execution.

>>41605849
>but religion is THE dogma that has been used to justify a great deal of harm to human beings
No. It’s just dogma and tribal ape logic. The inability to think critically. Because again, religion was the science of antiquity. Religion and spirituality were laced with understanding of the natural world, and vice versa. Some narratives are a lot more disastrous than others. The Jews for instance didn’t actually care if their God actually existed or not. They knew the true power of religion was just community and family values. That’s the dogma they worked with. Their rabbis are closer to priest-therapist hybrids. They don’t convert, they ask you questions. “Why do you feel this way? What are you doing to do about it? Hey I know a gut who might be able to help…”. Meanwhile Muslims will fucking behead you for daring to interpret Allah as anything other than a literal divine being in the sky.

Humans love to overcomplicate and compartmentalize things redundantly and arbitrarily, so unnecessarily. The way the miracles of Christians were indistinguishable from pagan practices, or “magic”. Something can look the same, or share the same essences, and still not be identified for what it is. They will be seen as different even though they’re not.

>>41605818
Human goals =|= incomprehensible goals of nature

Somehow nature knew that prey animals cannot see the color orange, instead seeing it as a shade of green, and because naturally green fur is impossible it somehow knew that orange sufficed

This is why there’s so many shades of green in nature. Nature is eerie.

>>41603381
I remember growing up in the 1990s, bombing after bombing in israel covered on the US news. There have been so many rocket attacks over the years that it made sense for israel to develop their own missile defense systems. stop simping for violent savages that would hapilly toss you off a roof for your lifestyle.

>>41605856
You are trying to define casuality and goal as synonyms and its not going to work buddy no matter how hard you try to mince it

>>41605856
Causality is a necessary property of the natural world, with no observable agent who started the chain of causality. Something completely random with no known cause cannot in any sense be described as a “goal.” You also haven’t (and cannot) explain why your inference of reproduction as a “goal” in species lacking agency should necessarily apply to human beings, whose defining feature is the transcendence of that very same natural order. You are the one limiting goals and values to observations about the natural world. A very dehumanizing worldview that reduces us all to mere biological machines with no self determination.

>>41605909
Still not a goal. Adaptation by natural selection and random mutation is not authored or purpose driven

>>41605928
They’re not synonyms. But causality is so pure as a concept that motion can be considered a goal. Even stars are destined to be born and die.

Your idea of goal appears to be synonymous with conscious life, though.

>>41603898
Historical revisionists like yourself are the most disgusting people on the planet.

>>41602819 (OP)
I don't get the obsession either, I feel the same way about it like how the average person cares about the many civil wars in africa, or the politics of some random small 3rd world shithole

I am much more interested in my life and the things that are happening in my life

>>41605950
Nope. Evolution/adaptation is definitely a goal. Your understanding of the word is semantically limited. Broaden yourself.

>Adaptation by natural selection and random mutation is not authored or purpose driven
Life’s purpose is to propagate. Like a cancer. :^)

>>41605964
>reasserting the same falsehoods with no new arguments or evidence
The equivalent of kicking your feet and crying.

>>41605964
>accept my self serving, borderline schizophrenic semantics that nobody agrees with
No.

>>41604047
It's the same stupid argument democrats say about ukraine and russia. If russia wanted to wipe ukraine off the map, it would have been over in a week. That wasn't the goal.

Israel has had their kid gloves on the whole time.

>>41605934
> A very dehumanizing worldview that reduces us all to mere biological machines with no self determination.
We are mere biological machines. We have free will within what’s allowed, or what’s possible. That doesn’t mean life has no sophistication to it. There is definitely purpose to adaptation. It’s why animals are shaped at all.

>>41606006
What you want to do, what you are capable of doing, and what you can get away with doing, are rarely ever the same thing

>>41605951
Stars don't have goals retard

>>41605984
>>41606005
Your idea of goal is limited and one sided and does not appreciate the sheer complexity that is unaware nature, which despite its unaware state does in-fact appear to want life to continue, even in bottlenecked conditions. External factors like meteors are not a part of this. Biological life is an infection on the planet and like all infections it wants to thrive.

>>41606032
Not the way you know it. The existence of sperm and eggs implies a biological goal transcending consciousness. :^)

>>41606050
No it doesn't lol

Philosophy tards lmao

Life has an apparent "goal" or "purpose" without self-awareness due to biological imperatives and evolutionary drives, which are fundamentally different from the philosophical concept of purpose that self-aware beings contemplate.

Conscious goals don’t predate the goals of the cosmos. Fuck off.

>>41603346
>My sexuality
>(gender fluid)
fuck off retard

>>41606056
Yes it does. The goal of life is to create gametes for them to interact with each other. That’s why we’re here at all. That’s the propose of our iteration of life we call humans.

You only argue for there being no goal or purpose because deep down you want reality to have no meaning. Well, I hate to break it to you, but the meaning of life is to LIVE. If there’s no propagation then there’s no life.

>>41606023
What is the purpose of adaptation? It isn’t even generative without random mutation. If it demands propagation then it similarly demands the death of millions of species and beings. If it involves entropy as much as it involves equilibrium. There is no single factor in a process like adaptation that you can single out as the “goal” without ignoring the exactly opposite outcome recurring on a massive scale. It is literally just as valid for me to say the goal of adaptation is death, since all life dies and all species are destined for extinction.

>>41606094
>What is the purpose of adaptation
Jesus fucking Christ

>>41606094
The purpose of adaptation is to adapt lol

>>41606100
>no argument

>>41605353
We literally just watched it with covid. both sides dug in and started trying to find evidence to support their ideology rather than letting the evidence guide them. they made conclusions then tried to support them under the guise of science

>>41606006
early on, russia acted like it wanted to win the war quickly. if i went back in time and showed you the battle lines as of november 2025 in march 2022, your first reaction would be to think things had gone horribly wrong for russia.
all this stuff that came along later about russia not wanting to take territory is simply cope.

>>41605213
>1. Hatred for Jews
you ever consider being less overtly evil and psychotic so less people will hate you?

>>41606123
I wouldn’t try arguing with that one. He is borderline cooked in the head.

>>41605472
agreeing with you, anon. imo the only reason we ended up with science is monotheistic religions saying "there is one set of rules for the cosmos". all science is, is twisting that concept from being based on the whims of an imaginary sky guy to being based on observable, predictable phenomena

>>41606131
The Jews have bent over backwards trying to appease the Muslims anon. It’s the Muslims who are psychotic and evil and refuse to let the past to (something everyone else in the world has been able to do - even fucking Japan). Everyone is laying claim to some part of some piece of soil back to some part of history. Fuck.

Imagine if Japan kept suicide bombing America after Hiroshima and Nagasaki screaming “coast to coast America is toast!”. No more weeb shit for you!

I am so fucking tired of Muslims and their immunity to criticism. Why can atheists bash Christianity and Judaism but not Islam? Why the fuck not? The Jews bash their religion all the time. They know it’s retarded but they still enjoy the art and the history and the community/culture.

There is nothing good or wholesome about Islamic culture except perhaps its love for cats (because even a pedophilic warlord like Muhammad condemned a woman to the deepest pits of hellfire for starving a kitten to death - not even joking - it’s canon to the Quran that you will go straight to hell if you ever mistreat a cat) or their tasty as fuck food.

>>41606151
Do you honestly, earnestly believe that anyone takes you seriously when you pretend Israel is just some poor dindu nuffin state and that they don't view all non-jews as subhuman cattle?

>>41606130
Russia was trying to do the style of war we waged in Iraq.

If russia actually wanted to smash ukraine they would have carpet bombed all their infrastructure and cities. we might have also seen the use of low yeild nuclear weapons. instead they engaged with ukranian armed forces.

>>41606197
Israel left Gaza in 2005. It vacated entire Jewish towns. IT GAVE THEM GAZA AND THEY DID NOTHING WITH THE LAND LOOOL.

>>41606213
False

>>41606182
White people are subconsciously and consciously terrified of Arabs for some unknown reason. The Jews that bred in with Europeans - the Ashkenazim - appear to have inherited this trait while their Sephardim (non-white Jew) brethren appear to have retained their aversion to Arabs.

>>41606213
Israel is Gaza

>>41606198
obviously russia wants to subjugate ukraine rather than simply destroy it. i am taking issue with the idea that you can make some kind of revealed preferences argument based on the progression of the war, assuming that the way things have gone is the way they want things to have gone.

>>41606213
>goy, please understand, we left some of the land we stole, and now we only control all access to that land and murder its people regularly

>>41606265
I totally agree with you that there is no way russia wanted the protraced war they got.

Im saying there is a liberal point (which was also being made about gaza) that israel and russia are paper tigers, and that gaza and ukraine are incredible fighters. its total bullshit. the only reason ukraine and gaza still exist is because their oponents spared them.

Ignoring the human costs, I hope china goes total war on taiwan when that happens, and the entire world gets a reminder of what it looks like when a 1st world nation throws down. I'm on taiwans side but they arent winning that one and I dont want the US getting involved.

reminder if you know a chud in real life to poison their food in minecraft

>>41606235
Nope. Not false. Hams/Poopestine had twenty years and millions of dollars given by both Israel and Qatar. They did nothin’ with it. They kept being terrorist bitches.

>>41606325
At this point just say you want all of the land and the Jews to have nothing.

>>41602819 (OP)
Shut up jew stop astroturfing for israel

>>41602819 (OP)
you’re probably retarded for unrelated reasons, yeah

>>41606364
Yes. Fuck you.

>It's not enough that we stole most of their land, we must also exert total control over what little they have left, or we'll have nothing

Fuck off, you satanic fuckers deserve nothing.

The only people still arguing in favour of Palestinians are the people desperately trying to find a way to make themselves look smart again. But they won’t be able to. They will forever be remembered as the worst of the worst that the LGBT had to offer. They will forever have this scar. They supported literal terrorists who kill gays and murder women. Imagine being gay and a feminist and siding with that.

>>41606391
They didn’t steal most of their land. The Jews bought it fair and square. A swampy backwater nobody wanted. Jews and Muslims and Christians were all referred to as Palestinians before Israel, btw. In the 18th century Jews living in Europe were referred to by Kant as “Palestinians living amongst us”, lmao.

Palestinians are just butthurt that another group of Palestinians came out ahead and renamed themselves Israeli after their recent success. Oh, and all of the Muslims/Palestinians who stayed in Israel became Israeli too.

>>41606415
>They didn’t steal most of their land. The Jews bought it fair and square.
lol

>>41606421
That’s how it works, pal. The true Palestinian state is Jordan. Palestine is a big fat lie.

>>41606403
I'm not in favor of Palestine, I just hate Israel

>>41606445
>I don’t hate the planet, I just want it filled with literal shit

>>41606421
In July, 1922 Britain gave 73% of "Palestine" to the Arabs, most of which today is modern Jordan. Jews had purchased land in parts of this land, and they lost the rights to that land. They later gave them another 4%.

3,240,000 Palestinians today live in Jordan while 1,650,000 live in Israel.

More than 2,175,491 registered Palestine refugees live in Jordan, the largest number of Palestine refugees of all UNRWA fields.

This was all before Israel was purchased. Arabs had everything and more.

>>41606331
basically nobody ever wants to utterly destroy a country, especially in the modern era. it's a lot of work, doesn't really get you much in the way of material benefits, and tends to cause other countries to consider you a Problem.
if russia tried to do this it would find itself in a hot war with NATO very quickly. there is a reason the invasion was initially pitched as a "special military operation" rather than a war.
there are two possible outcomes of an attempted chinese invasion of taiwan: either the invasion fleet never reaches the shore, or US operatives destroy TSMC's fabs and the taiwanese government surrenders immediately afterward because without US support there's zero hope for success. there will be very limited fighting on the island itself because the US will not risk TSMC being taken intact.

The sale of land to Jews, whether by on land owners, or absentee owners, was legal. Notice how people can't just say that and stop. But it was 100% legal. Once you buy land, you have the right to decide who lives on it. In my home only live relatives of mine.

Second, the amount of land Jews bought versus how much they have now is irrelevant. In 1948 Arab armies and the Palestinians decided to exterminate the Jews and steal all their land. They were defeated. Just like Germans have no right to complain (and mostly they don't) at losing land after WWII, the Arabs cannot claim land was stolen. Is anyone going to dare to claim that ANY land would be left in Jewish hands if the Arabs and won the 1948 wars? What part of "drive Jews into the sea" was ambiguous? From the river to the sea is a call for all Jews to be exterminated.

So the main point is that the Arab predilection for wanting 100% keeps ending in disaster for Palestinians yet they can't dislodge this mode of thinking.

Arabs want it all. Jews only want a bit of it.

>>41606516
Your puppet state was created by western powers artificially

>>41606564
Yes. It’s a bastion of western ambition. Is there a problem with that? Western culture is superior to all others. Fucking deal with it.

>>41606602
>Is there a problem with that?
Yeah, the fact that's it's a literal jewish plot

>>41606182
the zionist project is principally ethnonationalist and not really about religion at all (as evidenced by their treatment of ethiopian jews)
if all the palestinians sincerely renounced islam tomorrow, israel would treat them no differently than it does today.

Muslims are retarded. Their supporters are even more retarded.

>>41606624
>if all the palestinians sincerely renounced islam tomorrow, israel would treat them no differently than it does today.
Probably because they’re genetically sand apes regardless of religion LMAO

current israeli government isn't some kind of pinnacle of lgbt support either

believe it or not, i don't support genociding people just because they don't like gays.

>>41606648
You come across as dangerously naive if you think Israel isn’t a gay paradises in comparison to surrounding lands. You’re actively fighting to remove the rights of gays when you argue that Israel has no right to exist.

>>41606182
Imagine pretending that any and all criticism of the jews hasn't been called antisemitism for literally decades at this point

Imagine if Japan kept combing America because they felt “emasculated” kek this is bonkers

>>41606671
Jews and Muslims are both Semites and as such both get insufferable sensitive whenever you criticize them or even congratulate them (this is only for the Jews) and yet Jews won’t try to slice my throat open for drawing a cartoon image of their pedophile prophet. Jews would rather fire you. They aren’t that insane.

>>41606627
Nigger you hook nosed kikes are the ones who can't stop displacing people and stealing their homes, and then pretending that other people are oppressing you. Fuck off.

>>41606698
Jews aren’t displacing anyone without reason. They aren’t putting up walls with no good reason. Maybe stop trying to kill Jews and they’ll stop retaliating?

>>41606660
>in comparison to surrounding lands
I don't give a shit about surrounding lands. The Israelis and Palestinians can all get fucked, fuck them. I'm not going to support the "less bad" people who are committing genocide just because you say the other guys are worse. Fuck off. Stop sending my money to Israel, I don't care if they get themselves bombed to fuck.

>>41606712
>The Israelis and Palestinians can all get fucked, fuck them
Ah. I see. You’re a doomsday centrist who doesn’t actually care about anything. You cannot weigh bastards.
>Stop sending my money to Israel
The global mismanagement of money isn’t unique or exclusive to Israel.

>41602819
Do you just get paid the $7k upfront, or do you need a certain amount of (You)s?

>>41606720
>who doesn’t actually care about anything
I care about not sending MY MONEY to Israel so they can buy jets to bomb sandniggers with. I care about the problems in my own country, not the problems of a bunch of entitled fucking jews and muslims who think they have a divine right to a specific patch of desert.

>Arabs leave their lands empty waiting for Jews to get massacred
>shocked when the Jews win and take all the land they left willingly

Muslims have no one but themselves to blame

>>41606743
>I care about not sending MY MONEY to Israel so they can buy jets to bomb sandniggers with
In order to free the sand people from the sand niggers ruling over them, they must be bombed, sorry, there is no other way—and those sand niggers are using the sand people as living shields / an excuse to keep fighting

Damn, I didn't realize all the stuff about troons being agents of israel was real

>>41606743
>I care about the problems in my own country, not the problems of a bunch of entitled fucking jews and muslims who think they have a divine right to a specific patch of desert.
I mean. That’s fair. Except Muslims are here now, too. Muslims entire identity is with the Middle East even if they live in fucking America. Whether you like it or not, Israel is a bastion of western values and this is a test to see who will win in the western sphere. Israel losing means the west is over, since it implies Muslims will always get their way, even when this is about 0.01% of their shitty ass waste of a desert. They want it ALL. This includes making America shit (“um it’s Ramadan you’re not allowed to eat burgers in front of me in public”).

Why didn't Hamas allow the Gazan civilians to take shelter in their tunnels? Why do they keep them above at all times?

>>41606906
Because Hamas is evil and hates Jews a lot more than their own? This really isn’t a hard question. Anyone who supports this tactic technically hates Palestinians. This ‘Queers for Palestine’ shit is hating on the people of Palestine since it’s clear they’re not willing to have Israel save them—and this will absolutely require harsh action. It isn’t pretty, but this is war, and in war it’s just a fact that calamity is the price to pay for peace. There can be no peace without death. You should condemn the people who put others into this position, where you’re forced to be a psychopath to save your own, or others, because otherwise nothing changes.

>>41606906
The question makes assumptions that aren’t fair:

a. Hamas cares about Gazan civilians

b. The tunnels exist to keep those civilians safe

When you make these assumptions, scores of details about the entire conflict become dramatically unclear.

These two statements are more indicative of the reality of the situation:

a. Hamas uses Gazan civilians as pawns for a greater cause, and their death is important for progressing their agenda

b. The tunnels exist to store weapons and as safe places for Hamas fighters to hide

What happens (time and time again) is Hamas pokes the bear. They attack Israel, pushing Israel to chase them in order to retaliate. Hamas runs and hides in their tunnels, conveniently placed in areas of great civilian density. Israel attacks and causes massive casualties, while doing very little physical damage to Hamas. Then Hamas claims Israel is the aggressor and is committing war crimes for intentionally killing civilians.

And none of that agenda is accomplished by giving civilians a place within the tunnels to hide.

It’s perfect terrorist math. Ding Dong Ditch. Then the people in the house get blamed for ringing their own bell.

>>41606945
>>41606956
What’s sad is this shit only works if the people observing it are retarded and can’t see what’s really happening. This implies that the majority of the human race is retarded.

>>41605129
there are no moderate palestinian resistance movements though. they're all full of terrorists. the pflp, fatah, the PLO, whatever

>>41605129
Israel conveniently retard wrangled Hamas so a Palestinian state ruled by Jew hating terrorists wouldn’t form. That’s correct. There should not be a Palestinian state in such a hateful generation. Israel should not have to live next to that.

“Israel have Hamas money! They are to blame!”

How about no? This means Hamas has all the time and all the money to make an independent state for themselves, but didn’t. They had twenty fucking years.

>>41607253
gave*

>>41605144
>Like seriously, does anybody actually believe that Israel just wants to topple Hamas and that they ultimately want to live in peace with the Palestinian people of Gaza and the West Bank after that?
After decades of offering peace deals? Nope. Only an idiot thinks a Palestinian state is possible, or safe. Not in this generation anyway. You can’t blame Israel for not wanting to live next to that.

>>41602891
>Liberals take Arabs in and then they get fucked.
Maybe it's like Socialism and just hasn't been done right yet.

>>41603808
I was literally going to say all of this haha.
However, as an addition, a lot of the "Palestinians" only came to Israel for work when the Jews started building.

>>41603898
>Jews never would have been forced to leave North Africa or other Middle Eastern countries. They'd lived there for centuries in relative harmony with their Muslim neighbours
Absolute bull crap.

>>41607229
>Israel should not have to live next to that.
in fact, they don't have to! no one is forcing israelis to live there.

>>41604228
They don't know about the Canaanites.

>>41607253
you cannot have an independent state on territory where all entry and exit is controlled by another state. that's simply not how independence works. israel wants the right to control everything that goes in and out of gaza without any responsibility for what happens in there. this has remained consistent even when they have not had troops on gazan soil.

>>41607947
Um. Gazans had livelihoods in Israel before Oct 7th. They had jobs. They’re objectively in a worse position due to Hamas.

>>41607947
>israel wants the right to control everything that goes in and out of gaza without any responsibility for what happens in there
Probably because Gaza’s top export is fired rockets

>>41608197
It truly is hilarious. Thousands of Gazans had permits to work in Israel before October 7th, 2023. The number of work permits for Gazans had been gradually increased in the months and years leading up to the attack, as Israel hoped to provide economic incentives for calm.

Now imagine if a Jew tried finding a job in Gaza.

>>41608197
True, but made me lol.
The other person probably doesn't even know that on one night alone there were thousands of rockets launched.
Like the one that misfired, hit an empty hospital carpark and seemingly resulted in 500 people dying and the hospital collapsing.
It was rebuilt in minutes though, and no bodies were ever found.
>>41608171
It was actually the ones that worked in Israel that told Hamas exactly where to target because they knew the layout, where people go, where they might hide, etc.

>>41608247
Yep. They bite the hand that feeds them and then they piss and shit and scream and wonder why their lives suck now.

>>41608247
Gazans suck at building rockets so they resort to quantity over quality

>>41608258
>>41608268
The underlying issue in Israel, and other areas, is actually an Islamic issue.
One day you'll see it in areas like Deerborn, New York, as well as places like Nigeria.
Islam is a territorial and conquering religion.
They don't handle giving up conquered lands easily, they find the idea unthinkable as their book tells them to spread Islam. By force if necessary.

>>41608321
Libtarded white people let this happen.

>>41608247
Why do Muslims blame others when it’s literally their own fault for pressing the button? It’s so fucking weird, this level of unaccountability.

>>41608366
Because they’re like the Chinese but worse. Not as smart and they genuinely believe their lies.

>>41608366
>>41608448
Without sounding like I am pro or anti Islam, remember that their book is law.
Sharia law is literally Islamic law applied legally (courts, jail, etc).
They don't have the kind of separation between church and State like the West does.

>>41608171
>Gazans had livelihoods in Israel before Oct 7th
nonresponsive. goods and people can only enter or leave gaza with israel's approval. obviously israel sometimes grants that approval. the fact that they claim the right to deny it, even for methods of entry and exit that do not cross israeli territory (the egyptian border and the mediterranean sea) is what violates independence.

>>41608525
So they’re too stupid to think critically or interpret a book of STORIES properly. Okay. This is why I prefer shit like Protestantism (in theory not in practice), since it’s fostering self interpretation, not this mass idiot syndrome where everyone is an insane motherfucker. Jews also don’t care if their God is real or not.

>>41608197
if israel had set up the same kind of blockade it has against gaza around, say, cyprus, the cypriots would be justified in retaliating with military force. nobody would even be arguing the point except the absolute most extreme zionists, it's just a basic reality of relations between sovereign states.

>>41609028
Why do you think they put up the blockade?

>>41602835
Like throwing gays off a roof

>>41609922
Those people deserve to come into our country chud

>>41609028
>and one day, for no reason at all, Israel blockaded Gaza