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Anonymous No.41624468 [Report] >>41624474 >>41624477 >>41624480 >>41624507 >>41624715 >>41625338 >>41625465 >>41626679 >>41626837 >>41628089 >>41631886 >>41633120
Trannies actually think hormones magically just turn all of these off!
sage No.41624474 [Report]
>>41624468 (OP)
the purpose of hormones is to circumvent these actually
Ayden !!E6HsAaBdTqd No.41624476 [Report]
Phenotypically I am female
What's the problem
Anonymous No.41624477 [Report] >>41624478
>>41624468 (OP)
I don't think anyone really thinks that unless they're too gullible
Anonymous No.41624478 [Report]
>>41624477
trannies are pretty fuckin' gullible
Anonymous No.41624480 [Report] >>41624491
>>41624468 (OP)
"No I'm not going to assemble that pile of wood into a chair, I got the instruction manual right here - that's basically the same thing."
Anonymous No.41624491 [Report] >>41624496 >>41624500
>>41624480
humans are wood products
Anonymous No.41624496 [Report]
>>41624491
that would be cool
Anonymous No.41624500 [Report] >>41624506 >>41628326 >>41628353
>>41624491
Jesus Christ do they not teach you kids metaphors anymore????
Anonymous No.41624506 [Report] >>41624516 >>41628045
>>41624500
it isn't an apt metaphor
trannies do not change form enough to resemble females
Anonymous No.41624507 [Report]
>>41624468 (OP)
They do actually
Anonymous No.41624516 [Report] >>41624530
>>41624506
Bait used to be believable
Anonymous No.41624530 [Report] >>41624671 >>41624704 >>41625016 >>41627654 >>41629721
>>41624516
you don't look female because chromosomes still code for a male shape
look, if trannies truly proved to me irl that they look female without artifice, I would drop my opposition, but that never happens
Anonymous No.41624671 [Report]
>>41624530
>if trannies truly proved to me irl
seems pretty pointless to tell people your opinions you know they won't agree with and then ask for proof that can't be provided in an online setting
Anonymous No.41624704 [Report] >>41624725
>>41624530
>chromosomes still code for a male shape
punished umaruchan !!9dCyHba5Iu5 No.41624715 [Report]
>>41624468 (OP)
they do magically turn off about half the x-chromosome, and when they can't it leads to severe disorders tho
Anonymous No.41624725 [Report] >>41624738 >>41625016
>>41624704
we don't have the technology to know exactly how the human body works yet, but it's pretty clear from the shape of trannies that hormones cannot fully override the coded instructions
rip james watson
Anonymous No.41624738 [Report] >>41625016 >>41631268
>>41624725
learn about hormone insensivity syndromes
Anonymous No.41625016 [Report] >>41625276
>>41624530
The Y chromosome codes for nearly nothing and everyone gets a copy of X because zero copies of X is not survivable.
>>41624725
Guidelines don't actually let you start even blockers until partway through puberty.
I had a botched first puberty that turned me into a weird, uncanny, and generally unpassing manlet. I transitioned just fine.
>>41624738
I'd say this but no the person who posts this shit think people with CAIS look male.
Anonymous No.41625276 [Report] >>41626282
>>41625016
you think in black and white
cais are a religion to you
Anonymous No.41625338 [Report]
>>41624468 (OP)
As a hun, hehe. Hormones are defiantly doing something my hyper masculine body is softening and changing slowly but surely, things are working out.
Anonymous No.41625465 [Report]
>>41624468 (OP)
well it's not magically, it's from chemistry and proteins.
Anonymous No.41626282 [Report]
>>41625276
Surely if the Y chromosome itself divorced from gonadal hormone production/response is responsible for differences visible into adulthood you can point to research suggesting this is the case. Right? Or at least you can name the differences, yes? What are the male traits every Y chromosome owner has?
Anonymous No.41626679 [Report]
>>41624468 (OP)
Only cis people think we give a fuck about this xD
Anonymous No.41626837 [Report] >>41626847 >>41626962
>>41624468 (OP)
Transphobes will always move the goalposts. Originally it was “men can’t perform women’s roles” therefore can’t identify as women.
>performs gender roles associated with women:
Then it was “men can’t appear like women”
>takes her and develops body skin to cis women
now it’s “chromosomes can’t be changed”
>you are here
and guess what? technology will continue to advance and most likely develop a method where even that could be altered. But you know what good ol transphobes and chuds are going to resort to again anyway?
>moves the goalposts: “now it’s well you have to actually exit the womb as the gender you identify or it doesn’t count”
A time machine could be made and bigots will still perform mental gymnastics because they’re allergic to being wrong.
Anonymous No.41626847 [Report]
>>41626837
fucking phone posting
>takes hrt and develops akin to cis women
Anonymous No.41626962 [Report] >>41627380
>>41626837
Transphobia is religion. Eventually they'll just give up and say we all have male souls. Quickly, actually, if you're in person and you can respond to their low-effort nonsense in realtime.
Anonymous No.41627380 [Report] >>41627490 >>41627654
>>41626962
Transphobia isn’t a real thing. You are a man.
Anonymous No.41627490 [Report]
>>41627380
>chud doesn’t want to be labeled a bigot and an asshole for his bigot and asshole views
chuds are sub-human
Anonymous No.41627654 [Report] >>41627799 >>41631103
>>41627380
Transphobia is such religion you think you can insult anons.
>>41624530
I'm noticing this guy hasn't come back to defend his honor by articulating a specific and therefore falsifiable claim.
Y'all got nothing but seething.
Anonymous No.41627799 [Report] >>41627862 >>41627883
>>41627654
I am not religious at all. You believe castration is the only path to salvation. You are religious.
Anonymous No.41627862 [Report] >>41627978
>>41627799
you subscribe to a warped belief in order to justify being transphobic. You are the equivalent of someone who is religious.

>castration is the only path
Please continue to ignore scientific census to feed your own delusion, chud.
Anonymous No.41627883 [Report]
>>41627799
>no u
Don't you have school tomorrow?
Also you have to be 18 to post here.
Anonymous No.41627978 [Report] >>41628140 >>41628298
>>41627862
Can trans people be happy without chemical or surgical castration?
Anonymous No.41628045 [Report]
>>41624506
trvke. wish we did though.
Anonymous No.41628089 [Report] >>41628299
>>41624468 (OP)
>You can't believe in AGP or HSTS because it's bad science. Anyway, here's a bunch of information about chromosomes and sex I learned on social media
Trans ideology really do be like dat tho
Anonymous No.41628140 [Report]
>>41627978
>makes an identical argument as made towards depressed people: “can’t you just get over it?”
Woah, are you a psychologist? Or someone who’s studied this field and is an acting authority on best practices for trans people?
No?
You mean you’re just a random nobody throwing his two cents just because of his feelings? Okay then opinion discarded.
Anonymous No.41628298 [Report]
>>41627978
I hope so. I wouldn't be happy with it either.
Anonymous No.41628299 [Report]
>>41628089
Yes it turns out I hold biology and medicine in higher regard than the field of sexology. The field that took John Money seriously for decades.
Ray Blanchard is a wanker and you're HSTS if he enjoys wanking to you.
Anonymous No.41628326 [Report] >>41628416
>>41624500
“Transgender” = metaphor
Grim.
Anonymous No.41628353 [Report] >>41628416 >>41628489
>>41624500
OH OK
THIS ONE THING IS VAGUELY LIKE THIS OTHER THING
LETS BASE SOME MEDICINE-LIKE PROCEDURES ON THIS
Anonymous No.41628416 [Report]
>>41628326
>>41628353
Argument from incredulity; opinion discarded
Anonymous No.41628489 [Report] >>41628532
>>41628353
>chud makes a leap in logic in tandem to delusionally believing they know better than the entire scientific body on treating trans people
Anonymous No.41628532 [Report] >>41628559
>>41628489
Cite one scientific study.
Not a psychiatric study.
One.
Anonymous No.41628559 [Report] >>41630077 >>41631612
>>41628532
>psychiatric studies don’t count in treating a psychology based condition (gender dysphoria)
do you larp as a dumbass or are you genuinely this challenged mentally?
Anonymous No.41629721 [Report] >>41630041
>>41624530
> look, if trannies truly proved to me irl that they look female without artifice, I would drop my opposition, but that never happens
how do people that say stuff like this not realize that if a trans person passed you wouldn't recognize them as trans, and if they told you they were trans so you could be in a position to judge their passing-ness, your brain would make up all sorts of ways that it's "obvious" even if you wouldn't have recognized they were without being told because you were given the answer in advance. Like it's either pure stupidity or ragebaiting at this point that this talking point still gets wheeled out.
Anonymous No.41630041 [Report]
>>41629721
In my case they accuse me of being intersex weirdly often, basically trying to take me out of the trans category. Based of course entirely on being a luckshit and not like a substantive medical history or something.
But even that explanation doesn't help here because I know for reasonably certain fact that I have a Y chromosome in at least the vast majority of my lymphocytes, and this person thinks that's a relevant factor. According to Science(TM) I should have clockable traits no matter what else went weird with my development.
But I'm nooticing nobody's come back to name those Y-chromosome linked clockable traits. Prolly cuz they don't exist.
Anonymous No.41630077 [Report] >>41630231
>>41628559
psychiatry is torture
Anonymous No.41630124 [Report] >>41630417
Having an advanced degree in genetics and reading threads like this is a real fun sort of self harm.
Anonymous No.41630231 [Report] >>41630308
>>41630077
>we should let people who struggle with depression, rage issues, schizophrenia, neurodivergence, PTSD, BPD, BP, neuroticism, savants, neuro diseases, relationship turmoil, and everything else not listed here, and instead just lock everyone up that’s isn’t perfectly “normal”, from the mind of a frog poster who lurks 4chan’s /lgbt/ where trannies live rent free in his mind.

There’s a reason you’re here and not at the forefront of scientific breakthroughs. Stay in your lane.
Anonymous No.41630308 [Report] >>41630420
>>41630231
we should work work to treat people better, and center society far more around cooperation than competition, not chemically sedate those who bother others
Anonymous No.41630417 [Report]
>>41630124
>self harm
Isn't every thread here that?
Anonymous No.41630420 [Report] >>41630482
>>41630308
Society should instill values and a government body that promotes compassion for each other and foreigners. While also recognizing the purpose and use case of medication in regulating scenarios such as schizophrenics unable to navigate life without hearing malicious voices or hallucinations that encourage destructive behavior, or in the treatment of BP episodes as to curtail extreme, uncontrollable events that they wish they could ground their emotions more closely to the typical population’s experience, or for unique cases of depression where the body on a mechanical level is unable to produce serotonin or dopamine on its own, therefore requiring the addition of medication in order to function more typically, or when assisting trans people battling gender dysphoria.

Medication is a tool, and in most cases is supposed to be a temporary solution until therapy helps create alternative solutions if they exist, and when they don’t, then medications serve as that long term solution for the patient who is struggling.
Anonymous No.41630482 [Report] >>41630549 >>41630643
>>41630420
medication is a weapon against social non conformity
Anonymous No.41630549 [Report] >>41630608 >>41631986
>>41630482
Is insulin a weapon against social nonconformity?
Are painkillers during surgery a weapon against social nonconformity?
Is cough syrup a weapon against social nonconformity?
Are medications that treat cancer a weapon against social nonconformity?
Is preventative HIV drugs a weapon against social nonconformity?

Or are you just anti science?
Anonymous No.41630608 [Report] >>41630635 >>41630643
>>41630549
Insulin was used to torture people under the guise of therapy at one point…
Anonymous No.41630635 [Report]
>>41630608
Okay so you’re really just against science as the entire field and want to return to medieval bubonic plague levels with life expectancies around 20s late 30s.

No one wants your twisted backwards ass third world as a norm. Not even conservacucks.
Anonymous No.41630643 [Report]
I'm neither of these anons, just for clarity

>>41630482
Cross-sex hormone therapy with very high odds produces physical non-conformity that displeases large parts of society. Nobody fucking troons out to conform to society.
Unless I guess you're like me and you literally struggled to pass as your assigned sex. Then, maybe, you could conceivably transition to fit in better.
>>41630608
This is true and I support a healthy distrust of psychiatry and psychology. But the fact insulin was used for bad things doesn't mean it's not also an essential medicine for another population. It is unambiguously necessary for type 1 diabetics who want to live.
Anonymous No.41630692 [Report] >>41631062
They do turn them off you stupid fucking retarded faggot, not by magic but by biological chemistry. Feels good being a female who was raised male enough to call you a stupid retarded fuck.
Anonymous No.41631062 [Report] >>41631069 >>41631084 >>41631103 >>41631277 >>41633193
>>41630692
Men claiming to be women yet aggressively threatening to be listened to is my favourite thing. Go dilate your rotpocket bro.
Anonymous No.41631069 [Report]
>>41631062
Anonymous No.41631084 [Report] >>41631586
>>41631062
Someone's mad they're getting a myocardial infarction and I'm not
Anonymous No.41631103 [Report] >>41631180
>>41631062
See >>41627654
We all know you don't interact with women in real life. If you did you'd hear them screaming at you a lot more.
Anonymous No.41631180 [Report] >>41631277
>>41631103
>gets upsetti a woman called out male fetish behaviour
>"akschually real wahmin hate you"

Hahaha please never change, men were a mistake
Anonymous No.41631268 [Report] >>41631293
>>41624738
cais have male aspects to their phenotype
Anonymous No.41631277 [Report]
>>41631180
>women never act like they think yelling insults makes them right
>except when they do >>41631062
I've been owned so hard rn
Anonymous No.41631293 [Report] >>41631317
>>41631268
What are those male aspects? What visible male traits do people with CAIS possess?
Anonymous No.41631317 [Report] >>41631505
>>41631293
the skull and shoulders are closer to male than female dimensions, they are definitely in between, but closer to male
trannies disavow the existence of intersex people who are closer to their birth sex
Anonymous No.41631505 [Report] >>41631523
>>41631317
>skull and shoulders
I've seen examples of what you're talking about but that happens with endosex cis women too.
I don't have a great way to measure but I feel like my shoulders are unusually narrow by female standards even adjusted for my height (and I'm shorter than most women). I had to shop for suit jackets and it was a disaster even in petites.
I haven't measured my skull but it doesn't really look out of place in photos with AFABs.
I don't even have the advantage of complete immunity to testosterone. I'm AMAB and while I wasn't good at it I grew some amount of androgenic hair.
Anonymous No.41631523 [Report] >>41631626 >>41634746
>>41631505
>but that happens with endosex cis women too.
not nearly to the same extent
masculine cis women might have 1-2 dimensions in male range but an XY is gonna have dozens
Anonymous No.41631586 [Report] >>41631640
>>41631084
How does a bunch of cosmetic surgery reduce your risk of heart attack, numbnuts?
Anonymous No.41631612 [Report] >>41632490
>>41628559
oh ok but which other psychiatric conditions are treated with cosmetic surgery?
Anonymous No.41631626 [Report] >>41631648
>>41631523
In order to check my own body for dozens I need to know what they are. Like what are features I might have that would've been caused by my Y chromosome?
(Though fair warning it's hard to play the brainworms game with me because hardly any men my height exist in the dataset. I am hilariously short.)
Anonymous No.41631640 [Report] >>41631708
>>41631586
What's the difference between a hormone and a surgery?
Anonymous No.41631648 [Report] >>41631662
>>41631626
>short men look just like women
you aren't worth the time of day
Anonymous No.41631662 [Report] >>41631682
>>41631648
I'm not saying that at all. I have literally never met a cis man with my body proportions, and I have met cis men my height or at least close to it.
My height has little to do with it. It just makes comparisons harder because there isn't a large population of 151cm tall men to compare myself to. Still plenty of women that height.
Anonymous No.41631682 [Report] >>41631698
>>41631662
you live in a delusional fantasy and trying to reason with such a schizophrenic person is a waste of time
>height height height
there are thousands of dimorphic bone ratios
Anonymous No.41631698 [Report]
>>41631682
Yes. And we're talking ones that are a consequence of chromosomes. I don't know if you know this but testosterone is a hell of a drug.
Anonymous No.41631708 [Report] >>41631808
>>41631640
I don't know what's the punchline? It seems like this will be a funy joke. Thank you.
Anonymous No.41631808 [Report] >>41631903
>>41631708
You can certainly hear a surgery but the chuds in this thread will never hear a hormone.
Anonymous No.41631886 [Report]
>>41624468 (OP)
Who cares. You can get boobs. Bounce bounce motherfuckerrrrrr
Anonymous No.41631903 [Report] >>41631955
>>41631808
Oh I understand the humor in this joke, a "chud" will never have to resort to exchange common currency for sexual intercourse with an prostitute.
Anonymous No.41631955 [Report] >>41631995 >>41632001
>>41631903
Exactly as dense as this Y chromosome determines bone structure guy.

Speaking of which, I win because my opponent forfeit.
Anonymous No.41631986 [Report] >>41632151 >>41633276
>>41630549
You don't teach diabetes in school.
Anonymous No.41631995 [Report] >>41632151
>>41631955
You seem mtf. Are you mtf? It would explain many many things. Especially in this thread. But also in your life as well.
Anonymous No.41632001 [Report] >>41632151
>>41631955
>Y chromosome determines bone structure
but it does
Anonymous No.41632151 [Report] >>41632174
>>41632001
How? What specific traits are influenced by chromosomes and not just male-range testosterone at puberty?
So far we've got shoulders and skulls, allegedly. But also "dozens." And even "thousands."
I fully accept testosterone has a substantial influence on bone structure and other dimorphic traits.
>>41631986
Hwhat
>>41631995
The way people think they can insult anonymous strangers on here I swear...
It's like cold reading but worse.
Anonymous No.41632174 [Report] >>41632223 >>41633219
>>41632151
>How?
we don't know yet
>What specific traits are influenced by chromosomes
the ratios at which your bones are constructed
Anonymous No.41632223 [Report]
>>41632174
I'm looking for something specific. A claim that can be evaluated and found to be true or false.
Bone ratios--you mean all of them? Every bone ratio will skew male? Or is it specific ones?
Anonymous No.41632490 [Report]
>>41631612
Cosmetic surgeries help treat people dealing with deformities with the goal of presenting themselves more inline with their personal identity: Burn victims and people born with cleft palates get cosmetic surgery to have a more humanized face. Women dissatisfied with irregular formed breasts will get BAs to have them appear identical. Men who’ve had their dicks blown off in a war zone would get phalloplasty to help treat their dysphoria of feeling less like a man. So pretty much anything that people are dealing with mentally that affects them daily in their self-perception; cosmetic surgeries help.
sage No.41633120 [Report]
>>41624468 (OP)
>all these
Anonymous No.41633193 [Report] >>41633264
>>41631062
Do you unironically think women never stand up for themselves?
Anonymous No.41633219 [Report] >>41633276
>>41632174
>the ratios at which your bones are constructed
>this is determined by chromosomes
Nobody can possibly be retarded enough to believe this. Any idiot who took high school biology knows sexed skeletal differences are due to hormone induced changes during puberty. In fact every elementary school student knows this as well, even the most prudish christtard approved abstinence only sex education explains this to you.
Anonymous No.41633264 [Report] >>41634686 >>41634929
>>41633193
To be fair to the moid, he would also call any cis woman who stood up to him a man. Moids are basically soulless bots incapable of reason, so when confronted by a smarter woman (this happens often), they deploy one of three possible 'arguments'
1) "You're being emotional"
2) "You're being a bitch"
3) "You're being unladylike/acting like a man"
pags No.41633276 [Report] >>41633315 >>41633414
>>41631986
maybe they aren't currently teaching you that in your 8th grade health class, but back in my day, diabetes was absolutely part of the curriculum

>>41633219
i hate to play devil's advocate, but height is not affected by hormones.
to your point, however, it is not an example of "sexual skeletal dimorphism", insofar as that even exists. any archaeologist worth their salt is highly dubious of this term
Anonymous No.41633315 [Report] >>41633414
>>41633276
>height is not affected by hormones
Except it is though, T is what spurs growth hormone production during puberty.
Anonymous No.41633414 [Report]
>>41633276
As a non-archeologist people WAY over-estimate how reliable any of these things are even in the absence of a DSD.
>>41633315
Is it T or E though?
I thought it was estrogen, and that one of the ways we know this is rare people with EIS don't have a normal growth spurt. Though they end up tall because E is also the primary driver of bone maturation and ephyseal closure.
Does medicine have an actual concrete answer for how much of height difference is purely chromosomal? I know we know some of it is. But like what would happen if you completely prevented a trans boy's puberty until providing testosterone at the appropriate time? Will he still end up the same height as if you hadn't intervened at all? Do we actually know?
Anonymous No.41634686 [Report] >>41635970
>>41633264
>tranny
>being misandrist
imagine my shock
Anonymous No.41634746 [Report] >>41634798
>>41631523
>masculine cis women might have 1-2 dimensions in male range but an XY is gonna have dozens
You listed only two geg
Anonymous No.41634798 [Report] >>41635957
>>41634746
>trannies pretend to play dumb and not understand which body features are gendered
Anonymous No.41634929 [Report]
>>41633264
>he would also call any cis woman who stood up to him a man
no?
Anonymous No.41635957 [Report] >>41636364
>>41634798
No. I don't know which ones are gendered by chromosomes vs. hormones.
I accept that estrogen and testosterone differently alter development. Bu we're claiming that even people who can't respond to testosterone *at all* have the male-gendered traits anyway. But like they look very noticeably not like men.
So which traits is it?
Anonymous No.41635970 [Report]
>>41634686
Familiarity breeds contempt, yes.
Anonymous No.41636364 [Report]
>>41635957
the sexually dimorphic ones
the shape and proportion of most bones like the skull and the clavicle etc.
assumedly chromosomes code for say x number of repeats of the genes that produce the proteins that make up bones and the y chromosome gives you more repeats so more proteins for those dimorphic traits
its more that im commenting because i have seen cais on video and they clearly look like feminine men more than women