Thread 41628508

what is a trans period anyway, like how would that even work?

Period simply describes all the physiological responses to changes in hormone levels such as bloating, water retention, headaches, mood swings, shits, etc.
Menstruation, the process of uterine lining shedding causing vaginal bleeding can be but doesn't have to be part of a period

That's how that works

>>41628536
Thanks doctor bullshit

>>41628829
>ask question
>receive answer
>reject answer
anyways oppicrel is really hot desu i never thought i would think something like that but i love her look

>>41628508 (OP)
it's like when you eat a rotten taco from TB and then you assume the HRT is "working" as you bloat up, vomit, and shit everywhere

>>41628508 (OP)
iliac crest mogs me

>>41628508 (OP)
Its like PMS and you feel sad and tired for a few days

>>41628829
Not a doc, just a paramedic with more understanding of the human body than you
Gonna provide any counters to my arguments other than "nuhu"

>euphoria
>>period
what the fuck

>>41628508 (OP)
goodness that’s a wide load

>>41628508 (OP)
it's just mental illness
they'll try to convince you you have a period too if you ever feel sick, tired, or annoyed for any reason
super sexist

>>41628848
>receive fake answer implying trans women have period symptoms
>justifiably mock it
Also picrel is an ugly hon.
Truthfully there is no such thing as a period for trans women. We don’t have monthly cycles (morw like 28 days but whatever) because we are taking hormones either daily or weekly. makes no sense to have a hormonal cycle like a cis woman. Otherwise, we simply don’t have the same anatomy for cramping and bloating. the uterine muscles are literally absent. the deeper physiological processes responsible for other period symptoms are also absent. Trannies who claim to have periods are suffering from psychogenic delusions related to their anatomical, somatic autogynephilia, or they are mistaking their diarrhea cramps from Taco Bell for a period. anyone who says otherwise is peddling copefuel and honscience.

>>41628508 (OP)
Get pounded too hard and swallow too much cum. End up bleeding down there and bloated tummy cramping

>>41628882
It's MA'AM

>>41628536
i've taken estrogen for years and that shit never happened. i've been on both pills and injections. i've tried different dosages. i've tried progesterone, too. people only tell me i'm on my period to dismiss my feelings because they're misogynistic idiots.

>>41628908
>>41628935
periods can occur due to latent intersex traits as well, but the chance of those being present in the average troon are slim to none. still baffled as to how someone can unironically say "euphoria of having a period" lol

>>41628508 (OP)
It's when you cum in a maxi pad

>>41628872
You work in medicine and you actually believe that people born with male reproductive parts can have periods? That’s actually insane dude. Really goes to show that credentials don’t mean anything anymore

>>41628956
>euphoria of having a period
That’s the anatomical AGP I mentioned. they are getting off to the idea of having the same bodily functions as a cis woman. they want it so badly that they have fully convinced themselves they are experiencing a period. it’s all delusion.

>>41628935
Not everyone has the same severity of symptoms if any at all
I'm stealth and a coworker still managed to track my hrt induced sympoms to an absurd degree just based on symptoms
Same with my cis coworkers, some show clear symptoms, others have none

>dismiss feelings because misogynistic idiots
Hate when that happens, retarded cunts tbqh
>>41628975
Are you suggesting that reproductive parts have any say in water retention, bloating, migraines and mood swings?
Are you mentally challenged or unaware of the difference between menstruation and periods

>>41629023
I clearly said periods. Not sure why you think I’m confused about the difference between menstruation and periods? Weird. But here’s 2 facts tho: 1) cis women with full hystos and post menopause (ie no menstruation) do not have periods. 2) trans women do not menstruate and are on steady doses of hormones. Therefore they do not have periods. Not that hard to understand.

>>41629023
>bloating
this is related to the uterus which troons don’t have. very funny that you thought knowing CPR makes you an expert in women’s anatomy

>>41629023
are u for fucking real lmao, i genuinely hope the paramedic thing is a larp

>>41628872
Personally I'm not gonna tell people what they're experiencing isn't real. Doctors are good enough at that.
But it doesn't actually make sense. People on weekly injections will see weekly hormone level fluctuations but monthly? Gonadal hormone production should be essentially shut down. Maybe if you cycle prog you could get symptoms from cyclic prog I guess but otherwise I don't really understand *why* this would be happening.

Any insights?

>>41629103
>I'm not gonna tell people what they're experiencing isn't real.
>Any insights?
Yea, I have one: what they’re experiencing isn’t real. They’re literally just full of shit.

pituitary gland bs or some shit
my mom gets PMD and I started going through regular predictable cycles of whole-body inflammation/cramping, bloating, and moodiness that I can tell is coming on because my tits get physically hot to the touch

not euphoric at all

>>41629061
>post menopausal and/or hysterectomy
They do if put on hrt
>steady dose of hormones
Not necessarily, i for example regularly forget my hrt, transwomen in general vary more with their dosages than cis women you gave as example, generally tho even with the low cis doses menopausal women get you see a variety of symptoms that fall under the umbrella of periods
>>41629097
>bloating is related to the uterus
Genuinely retarded?
>>41629103
>weekly fluctuations due to weekly injections
Ignores the cumulative effect which is a factor with any medication
The brain and body have many processes that go off based on the internal clock so I don't see how a cumulation of e wouldn't interfere with it
Do I think every transwoman has period symptoms, no
Do I think a balanced hrt level can lead to symptoms by interfering or depleting certain cyp 450s, protein and other substance levels due to a cumulation or simple physiological processes, sure
>>41629101
>look at my webpage
Cool

>>41629125
"It's all in their heads" is nonetheless an answer for something that they would, then, on some level be experiencing.
Like even this being a widespread troon psychological phenomenon would be interesting in its own right.
But I've heard people try to explain it with behavior of the hypothalamus or w/e but that's more hole than explanation.

I guess what I'm saying is if I'm missing something (unlikely desu) I'd love to hear it.

>>41628508 (OP)
trans girls don’t get periods. we have been over this hundreds of times. it’s honscience no matter how strong your delusions are.

>>41629207
They are “experiencing” it because of somatic, anatomical AGP

>>41629204
>They do if put on hrt
No. They don’t. Because they are still not cycling their hormones monthly.
Forgetting to take your HRT for a few days isn’t a period. Please stop with the LARP. Trans women don’t have periods no matter how much you broaden, change, or misinterpret the definition. I’m sorry, I know it’s really validating for you to think you have a period, but you are actually coming off as a crazy person at this point.

>>41629204
>nuh uh, webpage therefore i'm right
that's literally a medical dictionary defining what a period is you tard. if you're actually a medical professional you should realise you can't just redefine words in that context

>>41629204
>i for example regularly forget my hrt,
so you're retarded?

>>41628508 (OP)
jeeeeesus christ this is the optics nuke, i would love to see some of you tell a cis woman who's experiencing intense debilitating cramps and heavy bleeding about your trans periods kek

>>41629287
I would love to see cis women who have no issues with their periods talk about them to a cis woman who's experiencing intense debilitating cramps and heavy bleeding

>>41629264
>no cause uhm
Pharmacology says no to your assertion
>teehee periods are hella validating
Lmao
Idc what is validating or not, I care about an observable phenomenon within trans and s.p. hysterectomy persons on estrogen
>>41629285
Nah I forget that I am trans and require exogenic hormones

>>41629287
all i've learned today is that some of the tripfags on here are more deluded than redditors

>>41628829
triggered lol

>>41629204
Aren't cyclic symptoms connected to the menstrual cycle at least thought to be directly related to cycling levels of ovarian hormones?
>internal clock
I suppose there could be other factors I'm unaware of but I believe the primary clock signal driving the menstrual cycle comes from the ovaries themselves. Gradually rising estrogen reaches a threshold that causes an LH surge, triggering ovulation, then the follicle becomes the corpus luteum which produces both estrogen and progesterone. In the absence of hCG from a successfully implanted embryo the corpus luteum regresses, hormone levels fall, and menstruation occurs.
The hypothalamus and pituitary are pretty key to this process but my understanding is the pacemaker is ovarian follicles themselves.

>>41629376
always have been desu.

>>41629348
>muh pharmacology
Not an argument. Sounds like you’re flailing and taking the L desu. Glad you use a trip too so I can ignore your posts in the future. Hons peddling honscience are unlikely to have anything true or valuable to say on any other subject. So thanks for that.

>>41628508 (OP)
idk i dont have a uterus and ive never had periods. I get really cranky when i miss my E dose or im hungry though. You should tell her to eat a cookie

>>41629348
>no cause uhm
umm anon actually did say why they don’t tho? do you just…not have a response to that?

>>41629023
how frequent are your periods? if they even begin to resemble cis periods then it’s so obviously horseshit lol

>>41629498
why did you crop that from the femboy convention photo for this. lmfao

>>41629531
that’s the face I make when im having my tgirl period aka I forget to do my injection and start shitting blood (very real thing that happens, trust me im a dental hygienist so I know more about medicine and bodies than u)

>>41629558
>shitting blood
Thanks for that visual anon.

>>41629388
>ovarian hormones
Sure but they aren't exclusive to ovar production
>progesterone
The follicle isn't the only place that produces hormones such as progesterone for a start, the cortex glandulae suprarenalis does as well, which is p much controlled by the hypothalamus
>LH
Stimulates estrogen release, which is irrelevant since the estrogen can be induced exogenic as well
>estrogen
Driving factor for retension, which in turn leads to other symptoms typically associated with "pmsing"
The general levels of estrogen vary during the cycle to a degree unseen in trans and post menopausal women on hrt, but the main time frame for what we commonly associate with pms symtpms falls well within the rise and fall of e levels we see with average injection schedules
>>41629514
My coworker is convinced I menstruate, he started tracking it cause he is autistic.
Personally I would say I present symptoms that could be interpreted as period like every few months, didn't have any regular issues since the uterine tissue was removed

>>41628508 (OP)
>what is a trans period anyway
something that's made up honscience unless you're intersex or something
also is anyone else actually glad they dont have a period? like based off what cisfoids describe it as sounds like i dodged a huge bullet. guess all the other suffering troons go through makes up for it though.

>>41629638
Im very glad to not have periods. literally the only benefit to being a trans woman imo

>>41629638
>also is anyone else actually glad they dont have a period?
Paralyzing cramps and bleeding, no thanks
Flatmate had endometriosis, coworker too
Shit is fucking nightmarefuel

>>41628536
I’m genuinely curious, what change in hormone levels would it be a response to unless you’re cycling prog? looking at menopause treatment, periods are largely or entirely eliminated by taking a contiguous hrt regiment, and that’s kind of the goal.

>>41629573
Sure but under normal (read: not hormone secreting tumor) conditions adrenal progesterone production is low. Luteal phase progesterone levels reach multiples of that baseline production.
Exogenous progesterone would also easily dominate vs. baseline adrenal production. Perhaps unless you swallow it, but then you'll feel something different because of way supraphysiologic levels of neurosteroid metabolites.
>levels of estrogen vary during the cycle to a degree unseen
If you're doing labs to monitor therapy and experiencing cyclic hormone changes you should still see variation in your labs. Unless you happen to draw at the same part of each cycle, and unless each cycle is identical. Cis women's cycles can vary in length from cycle to cycle. You'd be pretty hard pressed to sample on the same phase each time even if you set out to do it, especially without an objective signal like periodically bleeding out of your crotch.

I'm on exogenous hormones and my own levels vary tremendously on a stable dose and with consistent test timing for inadequately explored reasons. What you can't easily tell from that I suppose is if it's random noise or if it's a periodic cycle. You'd need more frequent (but not even daily) samples to see that.

>>41629689
>claims to have periods
>claims to be happy to not have periods
which is it hon? and please be detailed cuz im a dental hygienist (i know a LOT more about bodies and medicine than u)

>>41629706
umm sweaty pharmacology says youre wrong because ummm it just does ok? trust me im a dental hygienist

>>41628508 (OP)
if they just call w/e with a certain name then in a sense to them it is
but a lot of symptoms of menstruation are directly linked to the mechanism, anticipation of blood loss, and reaction to it
a lot of other symptoms are tied to cascading effects of sex hormones, but it sounds less 'sexy' to say it happens cos someone has a sensitivity to cortisol or w/e
hrt also changes gut health but saying it could predispose to ibs and ibs-like symptoms doesn't sound as valid as 'period cramps'
migraines can also be induced by subtle hormone changes, along with resulting aura and postdrome symptoms
predisposition to those downstream effects vary individually for both men and women, has nothing to do with intersex or being valid or w/e
I even had some of those symptoms since I was a young teen and it doesn't mean anything at all...

>>41629706
Best guess, either cumulation of E or a hypothalamus triggered increase in progesterone production
>>41629722
>more data needed
I fully agree
This is all just an attempt to explain a group a symptoms observable in menstruating uterus havers and exogenic estrogen enjoyers without any clear data
Ofc one could just go "looney trooney" but this wouldn't explain the same phenomenon in cis women and occurring in various trans people irrelevant of culture.
Personally I'm team hypothalamus induced prog production and accumulated e interfering with retention, which in turn cascades into other issues
>>41629725
I have something approaching period symptoms at times, much less frequently since I had some intersex stuff fixed, I simply don't menstruation and glad about that.
Accepting the colloquially used term period as synonyms to menstruation despite it being inaccurate for the sake of stating that you're glad about not experiencing a part of periods refered to as menstruation doesn't negate the pervious statement regarding the other phases of a cycle

>>41629809
>now claims to be intersex after using own experience as proof that trans women have periods
lmao

>>41629836
Ayden was assigned poontroon at birth
it's a trve intersex poster

>>41628508 (OP)
Why are people so profoundly raging mad because a random tranny is delulu?

>>41629836
>now
Oh, sorry, wasn't aware I was debating a tourist
>using own experience as proof
If you don't know the difference between a personal example given to demonstrate something being observable to unknowing normies and proof in a debate you should go before the mods find out you're underaged

>>41629880
this whole thread is you being btfo by multiple posters for delusionally thinking trans women have periods. you really shouldn’t be so smug towards me. btw did I mention my job means I know more about medicine and bodies than u? hah

>>41629876
It's Sunday and they have nothing better to do.
>>41629880
NTA but I've been here for a bit but I'm just not familiar with your lore I guess.
>>41629809
Enough trans people report cyclic symptoms of one sort or another that someone ought to properly study it.
>>41629573
>he started tracking it cause he is autistic
That's intense.

>>41629912
>tourist doesn't understand yelling "nuhu" isn't a convincing argument
>can't address the points made beyond "uhm you need uterus cause uhm just do"
Take the L and let me hit the griddy

>>41629936
>not familiar with lore
tldr itmtf enby
>someone ought to properly study it
Agreed
>intense
Idk, he is a good fren so I just chalk it up to him being a closeted gay autist.
Makes his jokes predictable tho
Also he sometimes makes cookies and stuff for me around the time he thinks it happens

If you take even an entry level anatomy & physiology class you realize that there's no biological mechanism for trans women to have non-psychosomatic period symptoms unless they're intentionally cycling their hormones.

>>41628508 (OP)
I've heard troons refer to their low estrogen levels before they top up with an injection as a period

>>41629938
would rather be a tourist than a trip lmao the fact you think that’s an insult is legit hilarity.
and all you do is say "nuhuh". when you got told by an anon that cissoids on hrt after their hysterectomy dont even have periods
>>41629264
you literally just went "nuh uh!”
>>41629348
the overwhelming consensus here is that youre a full of shit retard. and i should know. my job means i know more about medicine and bodies than u.

>>41629980
>hypothalamus
>cyp 450
>bound protein accumulation
>cortex glandulae suprarenalis
True, literally all exclusively found in genotypical females lmao
>>41630027
>continues with worthless drivel
Adress the points kid

>>41630043
>nuhu
yea that’s about the response i expected lmao

>>41630043
Yeah? And what's making it cyclical?

>>41628508 (OP)
>euphoria of having a period

>>41630072
I gave various possible explanations from the internal clock within the hypothalamus, to depleting cyp 450 enzymes over e levels dropping within similar ranges as the one naturally pccuring during day 21 to 28

>>41630063
Just block the trip. They’re obviously retarded and never going to admit to being wrong. Anyone who doubles down on absurd nonsense like this is best avoided.

>>41630101
The hypothalamus' internal clock helps regulate your circadian rhythm over the course of the day, it doesn't keep track of things over a monthly cycle.

Trans women get a steady supply of estrogen, unless there's intentional cycling happening they don't have lower estrogen levels during one week of the month.

>>41630101
Exogenous hormones do not trigger the pituitary–ovarian feedback loop. This is why cis women after menopause and hysterectomies on HRT do not have period symptoms. This was pointed out to you repeatedly and you continue to ignore it. Additionally, the hypothalamus does have circadian rhythms, but it doesn’t inherently have infradian cycles. There’s no physiological “internal clock” generating monthly hormonal surges. There is no medical literature supporting the existence of GnRH pulsatility without ovaries. For the CYP450 enzyme family, they fluctuate on a scale of hours to days, not 28 days. Those small variations don’t produce large, reproducible hormonal troughs mimicking luteal phase declines. CYP450 changes are stochastic, not cyclic, and cannot simulate menstrual hormone dynamics.

>>41630205
Exactly this, you put it better than I did.

>>41630205
>erogenous hormones do not trigger the loop
>source: my booty
>cis women on hrt do not have period symptoms
They do at the same rate as transwomen, it's simply not widely publicize becuase "lmao loony troony"
>circadian rhythm is the only bodily timekeep
Lol, lmao even
>GnRH not pulsating without ovaries
It literally does, every 2 hours, in men and women you dunce
Further it causes the release of FH and LSH, LSH being particularly irrelevant to the conversation while LH is interesting since it also affects the progesterone production
>inb4 "but muh 24 hr rhythm"
Coolio, chronobiology is a thing and subject of a ton of research, for funzies dtart with Christian Cajochen et al. Curr Biol. 2013. regarding a 28 day cycle in humans influencing sleep
Tldr: the idea that we only have one singular clock is absurd
>cyp 450 enzymes fluctuating
Hours in a normotypical body, with a normotypical intake of medication, and normotypical parameters
I mean if you wanna ignore the major influx of hepatotoxic erogenous substances and extrapolate form that to rule out cyp 450 as possible explanation be my guest, still leaves you with an observable phenomenon that seemingly mimics the symptomatic range of what we commonly diagnose as pms
>>41630226
>exactly this
>simply tries to rule out possible explanations with a mixture of science and pseudoscience
>doesn't attempt to offer an explanation for the observable phenomenon at the core of the discussion
I believe you that you would've ignored the core of the debate equally as retarded

>>41628536
How does a female know she is actually on her period though?

>>41630502
Is the period symptomatic?
If not then only by menstruating during the menstruation part
If symptomatic we commonly see anything from bloating to retention, moodswings,changes in libido, migraines, temperature changes, and a shitload of other stuff

>>41629963
Nice to meet you!
>>41630445
>LH is interesting since it also affects the progesterone production
Isn't the goal of monotherapy at least to suppress LH back down into the pre-puberty range?
Men not on any kind of hormone therapy have substantial GnRH/LH production but baseline progesterone levels are still quite low (<1ng/dL, similar to post-menopausal women and women in the follicular phase)

>>41630550
Yes and no, in preops, pre orchies and monotherapies you wanna suppress LH since it also triggers gonadal production of T
My crackpot theory would be that the erogenous progesterone provides a baselevel, the rhythmic release of LH causes a minor rise in Prog levels which is enough to trigger symptoms in some people when combined with a decline in E e.g. close to the end of an injection cycle
Would roughly align with the variation of levels seen between day 21 and day 28, where the typical pms symptoms manifest
Not saying it's def this but it would make some sense considering the processes and what we observe in some trans people

>nice to meet you
Likewise

>>41630538
>If symptomatic we commonly see anything from bloating to retention, moodswings,changes in libido, migraines, temperature changes, and a shitload of other stuff
Are these things that ONLY occur during a period?

>>41630681
>we commonly see
>a shitload of other stuff

Are you retarded?

>>41630126
They are basically the only ones giving a detailed explanation though. You just seem like a brianna wu type cuck hon who relies their entire identity on blind acceptance by everybody and is trying to impose that world view on everybody else

>>41628536
thx ayden very cool

>>41628508 (OP)
Bro shoves a pregnancy test up his ass and calls himself menstruating

>We conclude that a uterus is not essential for the expression of PMT, but that its removal often results in the amelioration of symptoms.
Journal of psychosomatic research 36 (6), 569-584, 1992
>It is concluded that PMS can occur in women who have no uterus.
Journal of Psychosomatic Obstetrics & Gynecology 9 (1), 43-50, 1988
>Despite few reports of TAH/BSO as a treatment for severe PMS, we have found surgery, coupled with appropriate HRT, to be an extremely effective and well-accepted permanent cure for PMS
>93.6% declared complete resolution of their cyclical symptoms
(Meaning 6.4% still showed cyclical symptoms)
Human Reproduction 19 (9), 2152-2155, 2004

Weird how not even removing ovaries and uterus gets rid of pms for some people, almost as if it isn't required but just increases the likelihood by a lot

>>41628908
I use staggered patches so my estrogen levels stay between 200-325. can confirm no period symptoms from that.

i cycle my prog, 3 weeks on, 3 weeks off. thats definitely doing something.

start prog
>cuddly
>horny
>sensual
>relaxed
>digestion can get a little weird

stop prog
>moody
>usually have a blowup 4-5 days after stopping
>irritable/prickly
>anti-horny
>digestion can grt a little weird

part of me thinks going into effect and withdrawl from estrogen and progesterone is a fundamental part of the female experience we should simulate with dosing changes, if we truly do wish we had been born female. I think it is also might be required for full feminization. i notice every prog cycle changes me a bit, and i noticed changes stalling out when i took it consistent. but all of me knows i would fuck up every relationship i have if i started trying to cycle estrogen too. besides im heavily thinking about stopping the prog cycling because it's making it impossoble to maintain any sort of male stoicism or detachment, and it's destroying my ability to be dependably rational

>>41630919
I experience this cycle with consistent prog use checkmate atheists

>>41630852
i don't know who you are, you're a MTF though, right?

>>41630852
>psychosomatic
I'm open to research producing different findings of course but I kind of lean towards this being the answer.

>>41629302
but but she is real wombyn not disgusting tranny wtf... how could you even think to compare them...

>>41632648
I could see it coming across as delusional desu. Though in practice most people are just completely clueless how any of this works so the people raging about this already hate us.