Thread 41665787

trannies are never beating the skinwalker allegations

>wdym I can see resemblance to my relatives
Are you a milkman baby or something?

who cares? i see ronnie coleman and want to become an african american with ridiculous muscles

>>41665800
Difference is that nonparaphilic males hate being told they look like their mom

>>41665815
Source?

>made up term
Cool
>males
You mean phenotypical males? Genotypical males? Or do you mean men?

>>41665822
A simple search would have revealed to you that the term is used in the literature.

This is always the way with autogynephiles: they attempt to deny or distort meaning.

>>41665862
I ask again
Phenotypical male, genotypical male or are you confused and meant man?

>>41665872
Neither. Natal males. Those assigned male at birth and raised as boys.

>>41665897
So natal males (whatever that means) are neither phenotypically nor genotypically male?
I mean I talked to a bunch of cis men and they all had good relationships and compared themselves to their mothers in different aspects
Are you in your "girls have cooties" stage of maturity?

>>41665912
I gave you a definition in the comment, which you ignored because you don't like it. To anyone not reading in bad faith, there is obviously overlap with genotypical males and phenotypical males.

There is no nonparaphilic reason for someone raised male to want to appear female. They might naturally look female, and resignedly lean into it after repeatedly failing to appear acceptably male to society, but that's distinct from actively wanting to appear female.

>>41665939
>there is no nonparaphilic reason
There is, being transgender for example

>wanting to look like your mum is bad somehow
I mean I hate my mum but that's retarded lol

>>41665977
do you want me to pozz your mum for you?

>>41665822
male refers to sex, not phenotype or genotype
Theres a million different phenotypes and genotypes amongst males, which is why usage of those terms in reference to the two sexes is meaningless. If your categories describe nothing, they are useless

>>41666007
>if your category encompasses million different phenotypes and genotypes it's useful a f

>>41666014
but it only encompassed two categories, those born with male genitals and those who were not

everyone can INSTANTLY spot someone who was born with male genitals regardless of phenotype or genotype, surgeries, medication, outfit, etc. Its why its the label applied to what the everyday person calls a male.

>>41666007
Autogynephiles always attempt to obscure things in order to justify their inexplicable desire to appear female.

>>41666032
if they couldnt play games with words theyd have no standing, which is why they constantly try to redefine things and make new categories to somehow gerrymander themselves into the woman section of the dictionary.

>>41666032
>>41666037
Ayden is a known pedophile. Best to not reply to him. He knows what he says doesnt make sense. He doesnt care. He just wants to rape kids.

>>41665815
it's never bothered me. my mom is a very nice looking woman.

>>41666037
Getting themselves legally categorized as female isn't enough. Passing as female (ignoring whether that's actually possible for them) would be enough. They need to believe that they are truly biologically female somehow.

>>41666026
>everyone can INSTANTLY spot someone who was born with male genitals regardless of phenotype or genotype, surgeries, medication, outfit, etc. Its why its the label applied to what the everyday person calls a male.
Factually wrong lmao
But i get it, you're a rephon coping

>>41666063
Its ironic too since they claim they are transgender but then claim magically they changed their sex by changing a few minor secondary sex characteristics, of which many males naturally have.

>>41666037
Getting themselves legally categorized as female isn't enough. Passing as female (ignoring whether that's actually possible for them) wouldn't be enough. They need to believe that they are truly biologically female somehow.

>>41666026
don't those ubiquitous videos of terfs harassing clocky cis women disprove this

>>41666073
>do rectangles having four sides and 4 right angles disprove all squares having four sides and 4 right angles
no

>>41666047
Ayden isn't even trying to assimilate. He's written about taking T and trying to grow a mustache, and also about wearing a packer in female spaces. Just a total exhibitionist pervert.

>>41666086
He said he went into the girls bathroom, shouted that he was with maintenence and told everyone not to flush. when they left he drank the piss and shit water

>I wanna look like my mom
>DIEEEEEEEEE I HATE YOU DIEEEEEE SKINWALKERRRR

>>41666091
so feminine! xe really is a xoman at heart!

>>41666083
didn't ask you about squares 5head. go back to shapes and colors class see if you can figure a few things out

>>41666091
Proof that having a male DSD and being an autogynephile are not mutually exclusive.

>>41666098
>he typed as the testosterone fueled rage filled his head.

>>41665939
i love how this post just ignores the agp and hsts typology and says all trans women are paraphilic for some fucking reason lol

>>41666091
classic ayden

>>41665787 (OP)
>I need to look like a lesbian I need to look like my mom who had straight sex and then gave birth to me

>>41666091
trurans behavior

>>41665787 (OP)
>skinwalker
"Womanhood" isn't sacred lol

>>41666115
It ignores nothing.
>They might naturally look female, and resignedly lean into it after repeatedly failing to appear acceptably male to society
That's what HSTS actually is, once you strip away the fussy LARPers.

>>41665815
Okay but how do females usually feel about it?

>>41666083
bro passoids exist chuddy, to deny this is actually denying reality. i can find you examples of passing trans women, and youll just lie and say they dont pass to make your worldview work.

>>41666104
that's fairly typical for a cisgender male

>>41665815
>the problem with some women wanting to look like their mom, is that men don't want to look like their mom
Okay?

>>41666127
no? hsts literally has transsexual in the name, it means someone who transitions intentionally to look like a woman lol

>>41666125
womanhood is sacred to women, something well never understand.

>>41666137
True passing trans women are extremely rare, because true passing requires several things to all go wrong during natural prenatal and infant development. If that doesn't happen, then not even medical transition with HRT at 11 can make them look female.

>>41666091
Lmao

>>41666138
hoes mad lol

>>41666151
The "lean in" part refers to transition. Sorry you couldn't figure that out and needed it to be spelled out to you.

>>41666086
You WILL like my hairy coconuts and you WILL be happy

>>41666164
uh oh! terfy has to deny the evidence of their own eyes and ears again to reconcile their ascientific, alogical ideology with reality? many such cases

>>41666164
no, js dont have traditionally masculine features like a strong jaw or a big nose and have smaller shoulders. you think you can clock every tranny ever but u cant lol

>>41666164
Passing is purely aesthetic, some people can sniff out basically any tranny, most can't and trannies can pass as a big boney women to them. Certainly nobody passes if they get genetically tested, but that is a very rare situation.

>>41666189
And there's the autohebephilic writing style, because autogynephiles typically have a bundle of other weird fetishes along for the ride too.

>>41666178
id argue thats intentional no?

>>41666198
i js shorten my words to type faster if u think ur like sniffing something out about me ur not lol

also im not agp i like men and i dont get a boner when i put womens clothes on

>>41666198
if trannies are such disgusting perverts why are they all nicer than dipshits like you, i don't care what the mechanism it makes for a good person is what it does

>>41666199
HSTS transition only as a last resort after repeated attempts to be treated well as men by others. That is not the same as AGPs who transition because they cannot tolerate themselves as men.

>>41666216
Appending "lol" belies your claim of just doing it to type faster.

You don't think you're AGP because you're using a definition of AGP popularized by dysphoric trans people in an attempt to distance themselves from the label.

>>41666226
you need to untether yourself from blanchard typology, man. it's doing something regrettable to you.

>>41666226
brother ive read blanchards typology i know what agp means, ive went out of my way to research blanchards work like an autistic faggot

> Appending "lol" belies your claim of just doing it to type faster

brother what??? i say lol cause ending the sentence with a period gives the post a more serious tone, you thinking im like a pedophile cause i shorten words is genuinely insane

>>41665787 (OP)
Shit thread, kys nigger

>>41666184
Here's your (You).

Post-ops used to take T for bone health and libido, not for whatever fetishistic reason you're taking it.

I'll expell these blanchardian demons ooOOOOooooOOOhhh

>>41666258
yo this got me cackling im saving this

>>41666226
hsts vs agp theory is literally a meme you mong, its popsci that was never really used outside of rhetoric

>>41666244
It's the only one that seems to have any explanatory power, and there being two types of MTFs isn't an idea that originated with Blanchard.

>>41666278
no its real and the only people who reject it are people who feel attacked by being called agp desu

>>41666278
and more accurately, blanchards theory was that hsts get off on being attractive to men so at least get your half wrong obsolete theories right man

>>41666286
it's total armchair rhetoric, unvalidated by clinical studies. there's a reason no-one in health or medicine outside of terf cults is familiar with or appreciative of it.

>>41666291
The paraphillic aspect has always been recognized, but the inherent femininity and paraphellia can coexist in an individual in any proportion and were noted long before blanchard came along so it just isn't a useful theory to try and make it 2 hard categories

>>41666292
right hsts was literally just an extension to homosexuality under blanchards typology no?

>>41665815
>Difference is that nonparaphilic males hate being told they look like their mom
Some afab hate being told they look like their moms, as do some afab enjoy it because they have good relationships with their moms.
Most amab don't like being compared to females because they don't like their femininity. Its not a fetish to indulge your femininity. Especially if femininity is what feels true to yourself.

>>41666299
There is also the aspect that furries who get off on screwing eachother in fursuits aren't depressed that they aren't foxes (and they probably get bored of it after they are done fucking idk im not a furry), indicating that trying to classify it as "just a fetish" is not accurate or useful.

>>41666269
Glad you like it lmao

>>41666161
Religion is sacred to christcucks but that doesn't make it real. Same situation

>>41666326
womanhood is a real thing tho? like going through the expiriences of a woman is womanhood??

>>41666309
idk i just think that the agp vs hsts thing is useless

i got the typical hon boners but i was also in a homosexual relationship long before i ever considered trooning out, attempted to act masculine and still failed sometimes (which i did not like because i wanted to be a man). Somehow I screwed up being a man like an hsts while having the sexuality of an agp, so i think trying to say someone has to be one or the other is stupid.

>>41666343
Man and woman are made up categories. Different shapes of body exist, anything beyond this is a social construct. It's like how money works, cash has no inherent value, it's just paper and metal. It only has value because the majority of people decide that it does, though it's all just made up. Womanhood and manhood are similar in that it is all manmade, yet it controls and shapes how are lives are lived because it's the mass delusion we're all currently living under.

>>41666451
look, im gonna level with you. Don't argue this, everyone is gonna laugh at you because of how biology works. You can bullshit everyones perspective of it for sure and that's good because some people (trannies) REALLY like doing that, but the social aspect of it does come from biology

>>41666091
Off trip ayden?

>>41666479
Trannies really think they can learn female body language when a huge part of it is driven by physiology and biomechanics. That's why they always look inauthentic when they try to walk with a female gait, for example.

>>41666484
Nah it's the same anon that posts >>41666086 in every thread she sees me in, obsessed with me for nearly a decade by now but the lore she spins is amazingly entertaining

>>41666513
you literally can though, i dont believe all the same feel good stuff as other trannies but i know i fucking despise "people" like you and i have dealt with enough shit that i can say with conviction that i hope hell exists so everyone who deserves it can go there, and i know that very well may include me

>>41666620
like seriously why the fuck are you even on this board?

>>41666479
Biology is only a matter of the physical body, it has nothing to do with these made up personality categories. Physical characteristics are real, and the extrapolation that those characteristics have anything to do with one's personality is merely a construct. People that argue "you can't change your chromosomes though, haha!" fail to understand that chromosomes have nothing to do with who you are as a person. There's no chromosome or other biological marker that decides if you're supposed to personally prefer barbies or g.i. joes, that's just retarded. Biology has nothing to do with gender in the first place. You fail to understand biology by thinking it's more than purely physical traits.

>>41666639
mtf's still have hints at their male past when you interact with them though. I think the right awnser is to not overthink it too much, biological sex itself is implemented in a very ad-hoc fashion that allows for all kinds of anomalies to arise. Trying to come up with a philosophy of mtf's and intersex people is like trying to come up with a philosopy of all the things a car can break down or be hotrodded, if that makes sense.

>>41666711
i honestly think my view of what we are as trannies is rather conservative, but the people who use the "sex matters" shit as a political tool are despicable, they are using trivium to terrorize and remove a wonderful thing from the people who need it

>>41666756
AGPs need to realize that their "gender identity" is a fantasy and their "dysphoria" is the product of an uncontrolled paraphilia. They need to be taught how to manage and control it. They don't need to change sex.

HSTSes need society to treat incorrigibly feminine males better. That's unlikely to happen any time soon, so changing sex is the winning move for them.

>>41666774
All "gender" is a fantasy.

>>41666774
see, even the guy who came up with that theory empathised with it and thought transitioning was a good solution, I am sure if I peeked into your subconscious you would have a lot of scary sounding motivations if they were worded in English, we all do its how our minds work.

You are twisting truthful words into a monstrosity that will bring only misery, why? Maybe I am crashing out, but this keeps happening in a subject matter related to my profetional life where people are distorting a kernel of truth and turning it into an argument for actions which will get a lot of people killed. This tranny stuff reminds me of that.

>>41666711
>hints at their male past
Anything like that is a product of nurture, not nature. If anyone assigned male at birth acts any less than perfectly macho at all times they will be beaten down by all of society, of course some girls growing up in that framework end up having to act a certain way for survival for long enough that some mannerisms may become habit.

>>41666803
It's no longer the 1980s. We've now run the experiment of letting AGPs transition, no gatekeeping, no guardrails, no screening out mental illnesses. It has failed. It has resulted in the current backlash against trans people. It's time to try something other than letting them transition and fuck everything up.

>>41666812
who we are is a product of nurture and biology, for various reasons some people have an overwhelming urge to alter their appearance and mannerisms to be more similar to the opposite sex of their gonads. I don't feel comfortable saying any more than that as fact.

What is fact though, is that decades of experimentation have revealed that the best course of action is to allow them to do this.

>>41666823
fuck off, you have no idea what you are talking about and your views are not even consistent.

Why would you need guardrails if all transition is unnecessary? Wouldn't it make more sense to just forget the whole thing? I can tell you just don't like us.

>>41666840
"Decades of experimentation have revealed that the best course of action is to allow coke addicts unrestricted access to cocaine," say coke addicts.

>>41666840
>for various reasons some people have an overwhelming urge to alter their appearance and mannerisms to be more similar to the opposite sex of their gonads
People opt to change their physical looks so that others will recognize them as the category that lets them express their personality most authentically. I do agree with you that people should be allowed to do whatever they want.

>>41666864
ok can you show me the paper that says im wrong

>>41666864
>>41666823
What if everybody could do anything they wanted and be happier forever, doesn't that sound more nice? :-)

>>41666873
The personality of... being a rapehon?

>>41666881
Every major medical organization is on my side, unless of course you don't trust them (which damn near just got a family member of mine killed so I wouldn't recommend not trusting mainstream medicine!).

>>41666890
>Good luck, I'm behind 7 layers of made up category!

>>41665811
who cares is a response you could give to 99% of posts on this website

>>41666897
LOL. Troons hate the medical establishment. They hate even minimal gatekeeping. They hate not being given the maximum HRT dose immediately.

>>41666803
Any gender identity that begins with a male sexual fetish for mimicking women is inherently toxic and invalid at its core.

>>41666931
my god you are insufferable

>>41666938
>toxic and invalid
For someone who hates women so much, you sure sound like one.

>>41666938
What AGPs fail to understand is that there's no ego dystonia in HSTS, no feeling of being "a woman trapped in a man's body."

>>41666938
Why? Can you spell it out for me I was literally born yesterday I need every argument to be fully reasoned out to understand it.

>>41666950
Making baseless accusations of misogyny while you're a man sexually fetishizing women and reducing them to an object of mockery proves why you are toxic and invalid.
>>41666958
Agp are men, and very creative at lying about their condition and exaggerating their symptoms for sympathy. They are clinically classified as heterosexual men.
>>41666962
No. Whether you understand it or not isn't what's important, since you won't change regardless of what you understand.

>>41666291
>the only people who reject it are people who feel attacked by being called agp
I don't mind it but this is like the only argument blanchardians use when cornered, which is not really a good argument scientifically speaking

>>41667051
You the one who runs counter to reason and observed reality, if you weren't you would have an argument that does not rely on a bunch of buzzwords and bullshit.

Personally, I would prefer the person telling me how to live my life to have gone to school. Retard.

>>41667051
I'm not even mtf I'm just pointing out you're saying some mean shit about women while sounding like a girl yourself. You're having a full on woman moment here

>>41667072
half the time these fucking idiots are jealous because they are actually trannies too but are too pussy to confront that

>>41667071
= I'm a selfish shit wit man, and I'll throw a tantrum if you don't validate my fetish. You are a symptom of systemic failure to make men out of boys, heterosexual boys that is.
>>41667072
You're a chaser who simultaneously thinks it's an insult to call someone a girl, while you also chase men pretending to be girls. I couldn't rope fast enough if I were you.

>>41667098
You still don't have an argument, moron, Do us all a favor and get yourself over to the dog food factory so do some good for once in your life.

when i saw a pic of my mom in her 20s i was able to see the resemblances but knowing that my face is fucked from t and that i will never be able to look like that even with thousands of dollars of surgery made me crash the fuck out.

>>41667084
>You're a chaser
Wrong again dingus I don't even like chicks, it's a lazy move to try to argue against one's identity rather than one's words in the first place but you're not even doing so accurately

>>41667133
>wrong again dingus!

>>41667115
Tell everyone in your life that your desire to be a girl stems from your retarded adolescent porno brain fetish! Do it today and find out whether people think you're valid or not Sir Goonberg

>>41667147
i never whacked it to tranny porn so i think im good

hoes stay mad

>>41667150
and even for the people who do, tranny sexuality is inherently strange but people who transition are usually happier with it. I don't see why you need to judge things so harshly.

Of course, I know you aren't really the thinking type so I will instead remind you that I think you would make delicious dog food.

>>41667172
You just sound like an autistic disagreeable man.

>>41667191
That is exactly what I am, the autism is what makes me correct and the disagreeableness is what you deserve.

>>41665787 (OP)
My mom looked identikal to Carrie Fisher ,I think itd be pretty sweet if I ended up like that
Not skinwalking dumbass ,just wanting to look good with a target that I am at least inklined to look like due to my genetik konnektion

>>41667203
Need u gone from society.

>>41667210
I'm the one with a job and friends, fucko

>>41667191
All terfs are men.

>>41667212
I have both of those too you idiot. We need to at least force AGP men back into the closet. You don't belong in lgbt, never did, and this is not FetLife for failed straight men.

>>41667208
I was horrified when people told me I looked like my mom growing up, and mortified when I was mistaken for her by her friends when I was 18 with long hair and clean shaven. I cut my hair short after that incident because I was so embarrassed. I'd wanted to look like a rock musician, not like a woman.

That's the appropriate male response to being told you look like your mom.

>and mortified when I was mistaken for her
You guys are sick Norman Bates tier men

>>41667231
I was gay before transitioning and I literally don't have agp like people on here do lol. My point is that
A: AGP is oversimplified (furries don't have species dysphoria)
B: The man who invented the concept of AGP believed it could justify transitioning and deserves empathy. (It is more than a fetish)
C: AGP is not considered to be correct and is not taken seriously outside of political rhetoric such as this.

You just don't like ugly trannies, most of them are autistic so they have 0 fashion or social sense I am sorry that is just how things are they probably can't help it.

>>41667238
Aktually peopleve lowkey said I look like her for a while lal
Basikally all her friends that knew her when she was younger
I get told this konstantly ,even before I realized I was a tranny/started getting dysphoria kuz of puberty

>"That's the appropriate male response to being told you look like your mom."
Uhh ya Im not male

>>41667255
The weird stubble trannies are harmless and usually nice if you talk to them btw, they legit just have autism so they don't know how to look proper and its really obvious since being a tranny is fashion on nightmare difficulty

>>41667244
>male receives feedback that his presentation has resulted in him being mistaken for being a female
>he modifies his presentation to be more masculine, to avoid being mistaken for a female in the future
>"psycho pervert!"
Just admit that you hate males, especially naturally physically feminine males.

>>41667264
"Actually I'm just like you!" Yes, AGPs will steal actually feminine males' stories and incorporate them into their own.

If you got dysphoria from masculinizing at puberty, then that's AGP. Non-AGP males welcome masculinization.

>>41667297
Just to be klear ,thats my story
Dumbass
?What are you talking about lmao

>"If you got dysphoria from masculinizing at puberty, then that's AGP"
Its not sexual ,but an intense feeling of "This isn't right, this isn't my body, I don't look like this" followed by disassosiation

>>41667337
the dissacociation is the important one, people get varying levels of agp but i remember the "this isn't right" feeling long before any sus stuff coming along so i think the sexual part of it is an effect rather than a cause

>>41667337
I wrote that I was mistaken for my mom once. You then chimed in with "Oh yeah that totally happened to me too lol I'm such a real girly!!"

The dissociation you experienced was a symptom of AGP.

>>41667359
i think blanchardists bend every shred of evidence to fit their one specific theory that only half works lol

>>41667203
based

>>41667370
It only "half works" because AGPs lie constantly. If they were honest, then it would work 98% of the time.

>>41667359
>"I wrote that I was mistaken for my mom once. You then chimed in with "Oh yeah that totally happened to me too lol I'm such a real girly!!""
Lmao
I mean you kan try and make me out to be worse then I am ,but you responded to what I said with something relatable ,so I desided to share some of my life story that is similar to that

>"The dissociation you experienced was a symptom of AGP."
Lal
Lmao ,even

>>41667392
"My symptoms of gender dysphoria, which only occur in AGPs, mean I'm not AGP!" say AGPs.

>>41667408
Sorry that I dont believe in the religion of krakkpot Freud for trannies that is Blanchardizm

>>41667433
>Blanchardism
So you CAN type the letter c, you're just choosing to be obnoxious.

>>41667458
And youre coosing to waste your time trying and failing to troll trannies online

all trannies are theatre kids with no real personality

>>41667433
Freud for trannies is Freud

>>41667464
The reason I never post the really crazy abnormal development stuff that happened to my body is that you creeps would steal it immediately.

>>41665787 (OP)
OP is never beating the faggot allegations

>>41666451
>>41666326
the universe would be literally nothing without life. it wouldn't exist you fucking loser. grow up, stop thinking of everything in 2+2 mathematics. why are so many people so emotionally immature they still think like 12 yos istg

>>41667533
This is suc a weird klaim

>>41667606
What's weird is AGPs claiming to have hated masculinizing and then in the next breath claiming to have always been feminine.