>>24443330 (OP)
>Post modern sophists

dr. peterstein is not even deserving of the title sophist in my opinion. sophists were talented people who were out for blood and they only cared about their own gains. they have come up with great arguments that needed someone like socrates to come along and crush them. peterstein is just a shabbos goy.

>>24443330 (OP)
>tips fedora

>>24443451
It's stunning to me what an absolute Boomer charlatan he's become. I think the only Boomer crank who gives him a run for his money is somebody like Mark Levin.

>>24443330 (OP)
What do you mean post modern? What do you mean sophist? What do you mean mean? What do you what you? What do what you do? What do what?

>>24443392
>>24443646
Explain

More like Sophomorist

not lit, go away

>>24443451
>needed someone like socrates to come along and crush them
Never happened.

I think it is insane he started dressing like Two Face. Dressing like a Batman villain shows us that he really lost his mind.

>>24443778
The only thing PHILOsophers actually have a philia for is children. Never let anyone dissuade you from getting the bag, hustling is all life truly demands.

>>24445385
The truth is much darker. Both the sophists and Plato’s circle were groomers and child molesters. Sophists charged on top of it though, Plato and his bunch were wealthy aristocrats who wanted to hoard all the boy booty. They thought themselves above money.

>>24443330 (OP)
Every leftist thinker ever

>>24445553
>"I think people should sort of be taken care of in society"
>Chud: "ALLOW ME TO DEMONSTRATE HOW THAT IS AN EXAMPLE OF A LOGICAL FALLACY"

>>24445548
Can you not simply let people enjoy things? If boy booty isnt your thing then just mind your own business. Hell, start a business that makes money off of child molestation instead of complaining.
>>24445553
This! So much this, anyone who doesnt venerate the pedophilic capitalist elite are envious MAPphobic scum.

>>24445570
Spoken like a true pedophile.

>>24443330 (OP)
>Post modern sophists
Is this an accusation or a request?

>>24445577
Read Rothbard.

>>24445594
A pedophile and promoter of Jews, you’re really going for scumbag of the year.

>>24445616
What's the alternative, I wanna murder a genetic trait anon, who only fornicates in the missionary position for the sole and only purpose of reproduction?

>>24445579
Yes

>>24443755
Peterson for all his cuckstianity shilling, is in the same vein as the likes of Dawkins and attracts the same sorts, literally the exact same basement dwellers who were militant atheist flocked over to Peterson once they decided they liked dragons and mysticism actually.

>>24443755
Fedora tippers took a massive L on Jubilee, they were too dumb to realize it at first but it's starting to sink in, and they're trying to cope. It's almost impossible for a fedora to come to terms with the fact their intelligence LARP floundered because the shortcut they bought into was actually a road to nowhere.

>>24443330 (OP)
His rhetorical ability and self-mastery at display here were exceptional.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZYQpge1W5s

>>24447526
Hes such a shameless LARPer its unreal, mogs me honestly desu

>>24447474
>took a massive L on Jubilee
explain further

>>24443330 (OP)
Pic related

>>24445385
>bag
Ha, this guy likes fondling scrotums

>>24443330 (OP)

>>24447474
picrel is how jbp fans come across
>>24447696
yeah he didnt understand delueze

>>24447709
retard

>>24443330 (OP)

>>24447041
Peterstein is also an atheist thoughever.

>>24447526
The funniest part of that interview is that Peterson calls out how the attitude she expresses isn't good for her personal relationships, she responds "I'm married so we'll see", and then she got divorced just over a year later and wrote an article 'Getting Divorced Under 30' shitting on her ex-husband.

>>24447743
define ‘peter’. define ‘stein’. define ‘is’. define ‘a’. define ‘fag’.

>do you believe in the Bible?
>the Bible is a hyperlinked library of wisdom across centuries. It’s not a book you simply “believe in.”
>so you don't take it literally?
>literalism is a modern distortion. Stories operate on multiple planes of reality.
>you're avoiding the question.
>i’m challenging its premises.
>are you saved?
>i think the idea of salvation is psychological, social, and metaphysical.
>so you're not saved?
>i'm working on aligning myself with the Logos.
>is that a yes?
>it's a process, not a status.
>do you believe in Heaven and Hell?
>we live them out psychologically. Every day.
>that’s not what the Bible says.
>well, the Bible isn’t a manual. It’s a narrative architecture of meaning.
>are you afraid of going to Hell?
>i’m more afraid of becoming the kind of person who belongs there.
>do you think atheists can be moral?
>hat depends what you mean by “moral,” and whether they're standing on borrowed ethical capital.
>borrowed from what?
>from Judeo-Christian metaphysics. From millennia of cultural evolution.
>so they’re moral, but for the wrong reasons?
>they’re moral, but they don’t know why.
>so you’re better than them?
>no, but I may be more aware of the foundations.
>so why not just say you're a Christian?
>because I’m not willing to trivialize that claim.
Fedoras mad.

>>24447696
But he's a hell of a lot better than Land, you'll admit.

>>24443451
spbp

>>24443330 (OP)

>>24447987
>buying computers is the equivalent of watching cyberpunk

>>24447780
>>are you afraid of going to Hell?
>>i’m more afraid of becoming the kind of person who belongs there.
this is actually a good response desu

>>24447987
Fuck that's gross.

>>24447780
>Fedoras mad
This is truly pathetic stuff desu, people naturally portray Peterson fans as fedora wearing basement dwellers because they know theyre often those sorts.
>>24448132
Its a pretty generic line, and honestly avoiding eternal torture sounds more sensibly like a higher priority concern than wether you deserve it somehow, like what if youre sent there and dont deserve it?

>>24447756
Proof by demonstration.

>>24443330 (OP)
Nice wordplay op.

>>24445555
>>"I think people should sort of be taken care of in society"
It's never really just this. It involves concocting bullshit narratives about the opposition and groups you hate. Besides, the only thing you retards actually care about is pleasure and comfort, as opposed to discipline and spirituality.

>>24449848
>and honestly avoiding eternal torture sounds more sensibly like a higher priority concern than wether you deserve it somehow
Why? Also, the idea of hell is that you only go there if you deserve it.

>>24443330 (OP)
more like postmodern sophist amirite

>>24450374
He's a fedora tipper, anon. His idea of hell is a red devil with a pitchfork force-feeding him salad.

>>24447780
>i’m challenging its premises.
>doesnt
>instesd acknowledges every question and uses it as a means to retreat
this is like a worse version of stonewalling

>>24450373
>It involves concocting bullshit narratives about the opposition and groups you hate
>the only thing you retards actually care about is pleasure and comfort, as opposed to discipline and spirituality.
Kek

>>24450560
>filtered
Pretty amazing someone as easy to understand as Jordan Peterson filters so many.

>>24443330 (OP)
>Post modern sophists
>Postmodern sophists

>>24450674
This isnt even filtering this is the equivalent of going "NUH UH" when asked a question. It's childish retorts.
I wouldnt expect you to understand considering the majority of the people on this board are europoors whose first language isnt even English.
I remember some french retard told if you dont rhyme it isnt poetry as if ancient peoples rapped in all of their epics

>>24447780
No wonder that university wanted to fire him

>>24450374
>the idea of hell is that you only go there if you deserve it.
My thought process is first conceptualising hell as a realm of eternal torment, then getting the idea of going there if deemed deserving. My interest in not being deemed deserving is downstream of my aversion to torture tbdesu.
>>24450481
Presuming an athiest thinks this is not really different than presuming its what a religious person thinks, its a lazy strawman.

>>24453531
if he's aiming for logos he missed the ball because usually the simplist solution is the correct one

>>24453540
>My interest in not being deemed deserving is downstream of my aversion to torture tbdesu.
so even if you deserve torture you would still prefer to not to. meaning you care less about what is right and wrong only how it affects you. so you would rape and kill people but still think you don't deserve hell, therefore you deserve it.
someone who is a moral would care more about deserving hell since this implies immoral acts and would accept punishment since it is justified
burn in hell

>>24443330 (OP)
>>24443451
A random black college girl got him to contradict himself in like 30 seconds of talking. Dude is a joke at this point.

>>24451855
Not being able to understand Jordan Peterson is a you problem, anon. Either you're a pseud who never grew out of his contrarian phase or your a chud pissed off about Jews or a trannie upset "her penis" failed to catch on or an id/pol/ leftoid triggered by the fact the revolution is coming from the right or a standard libtard upset he encouraged so many to call bullshit on you. Well, either one of those or you're just a retard.

>>24455797
>what do you mean by "able?"
>what do you mean by "understand?"
>what do you mean by "Jordan?"
What do you mean by "Peterson?"

>>24445570
> leftists
> venerate capitalists
No

>>24443330 (OP)

>>24455829
Dawkins is at least intelligible (or was, before he got too old)

>>24455829
Respect the dawk

>>24443330 (OP)
Kantians lost. Hegelians weren't even in the running. Sophists won. Deal with it. : )

>>24455714
>so you would rape and kill people but still think you don't deserve hell
you are incapable of making honest coherent arguments arent you? for all the complaining about dumb fedoras you really are just a stupid reactionary.

>>24443392
Wait, Christians actually like him? I thought he only attracted the "yeah, God isn't real but the West is falling because we've abandoned Christianity" type people

>>24455797
Peterson is a libtard btw, he wants you to bake the cake bigot.

>>24455797
what's to understand? it's all just "this Christian symbolism strengthens society, but I don't actually believe in a literal Christ or an afterlife, though I can't say that because it would significantly impact my Christian viewership"

>>24455823
hes clearly telling leftists off for their deep seated mapphobia that is at the root of their opposition to the bourgeois order, note the antisemitism in response to this noble libertarian as well. very telling!

>>24455797
>typing an entire paragraph that can be summarized in two letters
retard

>>24455930
there is nothing to understand the entire debate was him letting a bunch of teens that are gonna drop at by their second year only to deflect the argument instead of having an actual philosphical debate over religion.
Instead of saying "I dont want to become to kind of person who goes to hell" he should have had an actual debate on the moral requirements to even get to hell as the bible states if you accept got before death implying you regret your actions last minute you'll go to heaven. Genuine moronic pyschos like Dahmer understood this and accepted god before their deaths as a last fuck you to everyone around them. But Peterson doesnt understand it? Dont you find that odd?

>>24456560
>their second year
by their second year go at him*

>>24455740
he's been a dunning kruger for a very long time
he's gotten by just giving advice on generalized observations.
your average person is not intelligent enough to understand that. the best example is when he told people to clean their rooms. He understood that the average guy on the internet complaining about shit like girlfriends is, similar to asmongold, a loser who cant take care of themselves. So everyone thought he was intelligent because he was his accredited phd holding professor telling men to man up. When the reality is the rest of society already knew that and has been saying it for years.

>>24455797
>triggered by the fact the revolution is coming from the right
if Doc Penisson is your Trotsky, you won't get far
>you know and then there's the profound significance of the burden of the responsi... resp... *breaks down in tears like a bpd bitch*

>>24455797
There is no revolution coming anon.

>>24443330 (OP)

>>24456816
>Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters

>>24456573
'Clean your room' was never targeted at men who struggle to get girlfriends. It doesn't even originate from that period of his career, but his psychology lectures prior to his rise to fame (and prior to his self-inflicted retardation), which makes sense given how much it resembles behavioural activation/cbt.
All he was doing was emphasizing the importance of getting the foundations of your life in order first: your immediate environment, the seemingly trivial things you do every day, and the countless tiny mental speed bumps you could fix in five minutes but to which your brain lends no importance. Sit down in your room and ponder everything you could fix about your life in the next 10 minutes, hour, day, then fix those things first. These are the things people with serious mental illnesses are often told to focus on initially because they ARE important and do affect you, yet most people neglect them because they see themselves as above it.
It's not a particularly profound idea-obviously, you could find it in aristotle-but that only makes it stranger when people apparently fail to understand that he wasn't suggesting literally just cleaning your room would change your life.

>>24456849
>random person telling me to get my shit together
>no open mouth
>phd holding person who had a mental breakdown snd became trans and got destroyed by a bunch of teens in collsfe
>open mouth basedjak

>>24456966
I understood your point, and you misunderstood his, which is why I am disagreeing that 'man says what your dad yelled at you as a kid but it's profound now because phd' is all there was to what he was saying and why it resonated with people.
It's not hard to critique his actual advice, but you are incapable of not being a reductionist retard in the face of someone you dislike to actually do so

>>24457081
seethe. What your mom told you as a kid makes you angry but you'll listen to a phd holding blithering retard because of his status.

>>24457088
I don't need to listen to Jordan Peterson. As I've already said you can find similar sentiments as far back as the greeks and probably further, which you would know and could argue from were you not a total mongoloid

>>24443451
Do you interpret and characterize all things through a sort of shonen-manga powerzlevels lens?

>>24445548
Plato was not, the rest yes but Plato was an outspoken critic who argued for fucking children not being a necessary part of education. Platonic.
That is what your bait was for right? Why else say Plato instead of Aristotle?

>>24457107
i dont need to argue using them because anyone who has any base level intellect could figure it out without having to reference past sophists
a lot of the shit ive read from the greeks is shit i thought of as a teenager. But it blows your mind hearing a simple debate or simple conclusion

>>24457122
And yet you're totally unable to even begin to make any argument of any kind that isn't just being deliberately obtuse. You've never read a book in your life, kill yourself.

>>24457141
you first, we can coordinate.
Just tell me a time.

>>24457141
>loses an argument
>resorts to telling someone to kill themselves
kek

>>24457088
think it has to do with his delivery not just status but that helps too of course, that does involve meaningful credentials beyond a peice of paper like being able to point to patients hes helped. just tbf.

>>24456966
Yeah, because he explains why it's important as part of a full philosophical framework rather than saying 'just do it'
This is kind of an embarrassing thing to get stuck on

>>24443330 (OP)

>>24458695
hes a comedian alright

>>24447780
did he actually say this or is it just someone doing a humorous exaggerated impersonation of him?

>>24458727
Its paraphrased I think but not with the intention of making him come across worse

>>24456849
>It's not a particularly profound idea
So what you're telling me is that Peterson is famous specifically for saying things that lack profundity, got it.

>>24443330 (OP)
JP mostly won desu. 10ish years ago the names you'd naively consider postmodern neo-Marxists (yes I know the post-war French intellectuals that everyone is thinking of when this phrase is used made key breaks with Marxism, I'm just using it as a catch-all) were considered genuinely prestigious to have read, you could use their arguments to engage in intellectual posturing online, etc.

Now their stock is way down, no one really cares anymore, the groups that these philosophers' thought was used to defend are increasingly viewed with disdain, the humanities in general are viewed as a meme and political arguments are mostly of the form "Race war NOW! without any of the standard left-wing window-dressing being taken too seriously.

>retreats into semantic fog

>>24458980
So he won by pulling the cultural bar down and giving his fans a good excuse to not read books but think and speak in meme slogans instead?
>I'm just using it as a catch-all
Using it *ironically* doesn't make that label less retarded, y'know?