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>>24443970 (OP)
I hate Dunk’s arms so much. It’s so busy. Oak tree, plus shooting star, plus sunset background. That can’t look good.

>>24443970 (OP)
I love Dunk's arms so much. They're so nice. Big and strong and muscular. They definitely feel firm.

>>>/trash/

>>24444011
No, I meant his heraldry.

First for Viserys was a Lysene prostitute and no prince

>"Just the sight of them drove the dragon queen to her knees," he boasted. "And there she will stay, sucking Hizdahr's noble cock, else we smash her walls to rubble."

Is wildfire really magic? Or is it just weird chemistry? Why is it that it can still be made/used even when magic is gone?

>>24444149
because magic isn't gone dumbass, the alchemists literally say it gets easier to make wildfire after Daenerys' dragons are born

>>24443970 (OP)
walk with me, my sweet summer child, and hear the tale of fat pink masts jutting into sopping wet myrish swamps and black nipples brushing against silk until her cunt became the world while in the privy the princess guzzled arbor gold and shat but the more she drank the more she shat until she was shitting brown water and around her the planks of the ship groaned like a fat man taking a shit while she cursed the gods and nuncle smiled as he broke his fast on black bread, bacon burned black, and mulled wine while capon-grease dribbled down his chin and onto the boiled leather of his jerkin for did she not know words are wind and dark wings bring dark words and a lannister always pays her debts and mayhaps this is nothing but a mummers farce and useless as nipples on a breastplate and the princess has been fucking lancel and moonboy for all nuncle knows and he is the blood of the dragon for the night is dark and full of terrors but where do whores go and jon snow knows nothing and near enough makes no matter so nuncle smiled and dipped the heel of his bread into clam chowder and prayed for half a hundred more heh har HODOR

>>24444149
Magic weakens. Dragons shrink and shrivel. Wildfire becomes less green.
>Or is it just weird chemistry?
This is indistinguishable from magic.

How do the Alchemists of Kings Landing even replenish their numbers and reserves? How are they funded? Where do they get their budget? Why would anyone want to join them? What do they even do, beyond making green acid? What about in their spare time? Can they do any other "magic" tricks?

>>24444160
>because magic isn't gone dumbass
This right here is overlooked nuance. Magic didn't leave completely. It just dwindled to the point where it wouldn't respond. Valyria, the Doom, shook magic or upset it the world over, and even in Qarth or Yi-Ti its existence was said to be in question. Only at places like the Wall, or Asshai, or in the form of the flesh of magical beings, like dragons, or the wood of weirwoods, etc, did it remain. Valyrian roads and other constructions like Dragonstone remain, but not the lost arts on how to work/make them. Much like the glass candles. Much like Valyrian steel.

It seems the more tangible the magic, the more lasting. Even the base of the Hightower still stands.

>>24444188
What was Bobby B's tax policy?

>>24444188
>Can they do any other "magic" tricks?
Yes, Thoros said he tried to spread the light religion showing the Mad King some fire magic tricks but the alchemists new better tricks, so his plain failed.
Also, in Joffrey's wedding, the alchemists create some fire beasts and put them to fight.

>>24444149
it's semi magical.
it's based on greek fire but the pyromancers mention spells snd anons brought up them saying it became easier to make.

I think I’m going to give in to Preston schizo-ness and actually agree with him that the maimed “Myrcella” is actually just Rosamund

>>24444241
> Four master pyromancers conjured up beasts of living flame to tear at each other with fiery claws whilst the serving men ladeled out bowls of blandissory, a mixture of beef broth and boiled wine sweetened with honey and dotted with blanched almonds and chunks of capon. Then came some strolling pipers and clever dogs and sword swallowers, with buttered pease, chopped nuts, and slivers of swan poached in a sauce of saffron and peaches. ("Not swan again," Tyrion muttered, remembering his supper with his sister on the eve of battle.) A juggler kept a half-dozen swords and axes whirling through the air as skewers of blood sausage were brought sizzling to the tables, a juxtaposition that Tyrion thought passing clever, though not perhaps in the best of taste.

"Four master pyromancers conjured up beasts of living flame to tear at each other with fiery claws" ...

Was it an illusory trick, or were they actually firebending?

>>24444716
Didn't a fire mage in Qarth make a ladder out of flames?

>>24444716
isn't there a passage right after that where someone mentions that since the Red Comet came those pyromancers suddenly got way better at their tricks, or is that another book/chapter

>>24443970 (OP)
I'm gonna just say it:
King's Landing is poorly designed, and there is no way 500K people would live there.
I have several issues with King's Landing...
>1. Aegon's Hill
Why is the a very steep hill right next to an estuary? That seems really unlikely land formation.
>2. Dragons
Why would people want to live next to fucking dragons? I certainly would not want to risk that. What if they lose? They can burn half the city to the ground in hours.
>3. Not understanding rivers
The area next to the Blackwater Bay is inaccessible due to hills and a wall, which only leaves a small bit next to Black Rush.
The waterways were veins of cities, that's how food came in, that's how people got rid of waste.
But somehow that small piece of Blackwater Rush is enought to:
>transport, enought food for 500K people
>for merchants from Essos to stay in
>serve shipyard for Cersei's dromonds
But somehow, this is a trading hub.

>>24445032
realistically KL should straddle the Blackwater instead of being built entirely on the north bank

>>24445032
Another issue is city walls.
As the pic related represents, cities had to constantly expand their city walls to account population growth.
These incremental expansion themself shaped the layout of cities.
But king's Landing has no traces of it, just look like it was planned as a megapolis from the get go.

>'main character' dies
>books stop coming out

pottery

Who do you think will ghostwrite Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring once the fat man dies?

>The dragon has three heads. There are two men in the world who I can trust, if I can find them. I will not be alone then. We will be three against the world, like Aegon and his sisters.

>>24445469
pynchon

>introduce new character
>kill him in the same book
>do this twice in one book
Uhhhhh….were we supposed to give a shit? Is George just too much of a coward to kill his main characters anymore?

Arya is the ghost in winterfell

cough c-cough... jon... jonsa is real..
beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep

>>24446008
>jonsa is real
this but unironically

>>24446008
>cough c-cough... rick... rickosha is real..
>beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep
FTFY

The most anticipated scene in Winds is the Lazy Leo x Alleras sex scene.

>>24446008
we know buddy, we always knew... but thanks for confirming it even more than you already have

>>24445178
>But king's Landing has no traces of it, just look like it was planned as a megapolis from the get go.
I agree that the city design is stupid, but that part does make sense. Aegon more or less founded the city from nothing and he always wanted it to be the capital of his very large newly created kingdom. It was meant to be a huge city from the get-go.

>>24446008
>*Cough* Cerron is real...
>braaaaaaaaaaappppp
FTFY

Some speculate the show ending, with Bran becoming ending is what GRRM had in mind for his end.
And some say in the end Bloodraven will overwrite Bran and use Bran's body as a meatpuppet
What I wonder is... how that be in any way a satisfactory ending? Why would the reader care some lich behind the wall kills Bran (which we like) and becomes king?
How would that be a fitting ending? How is it supported by the rest of the series? It's the theme of the series "all good people die and the most evil one wins"?
I just don't get it why grrm would think the readers will be happy with that ending

>>24446396
GRRM doesn't want happy readers, he hates you, that's why he isn't finishing the series, after it blew up in popularity he realized that not finishing would piss people off even more.

>>24445469
Abercrombie

>>24446529
>my perfect vgh ending will never be ruined by bullshit events gurm pulls out of his ass
Good.

Did Varamyr have AGP? If not, why else would he warg into his female wolf while she was in heat and getting mated the male?

>>24446529
>happy readers
>happy

what does happy, in this context?
happy, like in the heroes conquer the antagonists, and there's something resembling or straight up being a happy end
or
happy, like in they understand how it all comes together, how it all makes sense, even if the end is bittersweet or a tragedy

if GRRM hates the second meaning, then that's idiotic and he's a bad writer. he's not writing postmodernistic avangarde high-art shit, he's writing in a specific genre and there are some rules, but, most importantly, there are a ton of reader expectations
it doesn't mean everybody wins, it doesn't mean happy ending, it doesn't mean the heroes survive, but it does have to have a meaning, it does have to come together in the end

>>24446693
>GRRM hates the second meaning, then that's idiotic and he's a bad writer. he's not writing
True!

>She had not thought of Jon in ages. He was only her half brother, but still . . . with Robb and Bran and Rickon dead, Jon Snow was the only brother that remained to her.
>I am a bastard too now, just like him. Oh, it would be so sweet, to see him once again. But of course that could never be. Alayne Stone had no brothers, baseborn or otherwise.

>>24446960
>He had not thought of Sansa in ages. She was only his half sister, but still . . . with Rhaenys and Aegon dead, Sansa Stark was the only sister that remained to him.
>I am a trueborn too now, just like her. Oh, it would be so sweet, to see her once again. But of course that could never be. Aemon Targaryen had no sisters, baseborn or otherwise.

>>24447018
Shut UP SHUT UP SANSA DESERVES TO BE HAPPY I WANT HER TO BE HAPPY AND HAVE A NICE LIFE AND MEET HER BROTHER AGAIN!

>>24447038
Thanks for reminding me
>the banker takes Jeyne to Braavos since wall isn't safe
>Arya hears that "Arya Stark" arrived to Braavos
>decides to investigate
>"oh, we wanted to take her to her brother at the wall but he was killed"
Maybe it's a good thing we will never get that...

>>24447222
>At the water's edge she stopped, the silver fork in hand. It was real silver, solid through and through. It's not my fork. It was Salty that he gave it to. She tossed it underhand, heard the soft plop as it sank below the water.
>Her floppy hat went next, then the gloves. They were Salty's too. She emptied her pouch into her palm; five silver stags, nine copper stars, some pennies and halfpennies and groats. She scattered them across the water. Next her boots. They made the loudest splashes.
>Her dagger followed, the one she'd gotten off the archer who had begged the Hound for mercy. Her swordbelt went into the canal. Her cloak, tunic, breeches, smallclothes, all of it. All but Needle.
>She stood on the end of the dock, pale and goosefleshed and shivering in the fog. In her hand, Needle seemed to whisper to her. Stick them with the pointy end, it said, and, don't tell Sansa! Mikken's mark was on the blade. It's just a sword. If she needed a sword, there were a hundred under the temple. Needle was too small to be a proper sword, it was hardly more than a toy. She'd been a stupid little girl when Jon had it made for her. "It's just a sword," she said, aloud this time . . .
>. . . but it wasn't.
>Needle was Robb and Bran and Rickon, her mother and her father, even Sansa. Needle was Winterfell's grey walls, and the laughter of its people. Needle was the summer snows, Old Nan's stories, the heart tree with its red leaves and scary face, the warm earthy smell of the glass gardens, the sound of the north wind rattling the shutters of her room. Needle was Jon Snow's smile. He used to mess my hair and call me "little sister," she remembered, and suddenly there were tears in her eyes.
>Polliver had stolen the sword from her when the Mountain's men took her captive, but when she and the Hound walked into the inn at the crossroads, there it was. The gods wanted me to have it. Not the Seven, nor Him of Many Faces, but her father's gods, the old gods of the north. The Many-Faced God can have the rest, she thought, but he can't have this.

>>24445032
Google "Rome" sometime.

Jon when Tyrion weds Sansa:
>*crickets*

Jon when Ramsay weds Arya:
>I want my bride back
>>I want my bride back
>I want my bride back
>>I want my bride back

jonsakeks... Prince Aemon doesn't give a shit about our princess...

>>24447351
Tyrion was on the other end of the continent and Jon thinks he is alright guy.
"Arya" is nearby and Ramsay is known flaying murderer, who loves to rape.

Sansa is for bhc only

>>24447487
>makes femcoomers go mad with lust

Obviously sansa is going to SS with sweet robin, and give him nursing handjobs while he suckles her breasts and calls her mommy. Do yall even read the books?

>>24447850

new RTS game revealed today at the E3 replacement, summer game fest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILU7b29FXFc
it's showslop unfortunately but that's to be expected at least until the books are finished (lol)

so guys have you been reading any of the works that GRRM has edited? it causes him emotional distress knowing that his fans aren't gobbling up everything he puts out, even when he didn't write anything and all he did was spend 12 hours trying to convert a modern file format into whatever the fuck his DOS word processor uses so he could fix a couple typos in his friend's shitty novella

>>24448036
fat man deserves see his work be reduced to being the very thing he decried.

>>24448108
it's funny and tragic because when is at his best when writing about the honorable lord and the brooding, handsome, secret prince

>In the cast union, Conelith Hill states that GRRM sent him an email and stated that he could only reveal the contents once the show was over. The thing that is stated in the email that could only be revealed once the show was over is apparently, in the words of Conelith himself, that

>“ultimately I am good person”.

How does George plan on redeeming a guy who cuts out the tongues of children?

Season 7 has pulled back the curtain on George's greatest magic trick No one important ever really dies in George's universe, it was always sleight of hand. Jon, Dany, Tyrion, etc...were always going to be safe until the final chapters of the story. Whereas George uses feints and misdirection to hide who the main cast really is, this season made it all too clear that main characters are the ones with names in the show, the ones we care about.

Think about Jon's story arc. How many tales begin with a low or bastard born orphan, alone in the great big world, looking for his identity, only to later reveal he's really a prince? George's trick was to start the story before Jon was alone or an orphan, whereas most stories would start with Jon's story post Ned's death. Ned is our first lead, followed by Robb, etc..we feel the surprise and tragedy of Jon's orphanhood despite the fact that it's a trope. All the markers are there: a bastard? Check. Dead dad? Check. Reason to reclaim family honor? Check. But by beginning the story a generation early, George made it feel like anyone could die, even the supposed lead who was never a lead at all.

Compare this to the fact that no one was shocked by the exposition of the brutality of Ned's father and brother surprisingly dying at the hand of Aerys, despite the unexpected twist it must have been in the moment. I never would have guessed Davos would stick around this long, I felt the same about Theon and Reek. Yet Quentyn seemed important, so did Beric, is Arianne gonna last? Victarion? Lady Stoneheart? Mance Rayder? Jon Connington? In the books, George introduces heroes, villains, and cannon fodder with equal care. Each has a fleshed out story, weight, and purpose.

But in the show expediency is here. World building is done and so is time with doomed characters we care about. By streamlining the plot the show has cut out the magic. No more feeling like Westeros is populated by more than our main cast.

spoilers for who lives until the end don't open

>>24448199
>How does George plan on redeeming a guy who cuts out the tongues of children?
he killed millions to save billions etc

>>24448257
The five key players are the most boring characters and the side characters outshine them all. George should grow some balls and kill them all

>>24448325
side character focus is what killed this series

>>24448257
Sansa is going to die

ermmmmmm that's kinda based

>>24445053
>realistically KL should straddle the Blackwater instead of being built entirely on the north bank

Realistically, Lord Horroway's Town should be the oldest and largest city in Westeros, as it has the best location for controlling farming and trade.

>>24448383
Harrenhal should replace the red keep too

>>24448388

Harrenhal was only built 300 years prior, Lord Harroway's Megalopolis would have been the first large settlement of the First Men and then Andals, in fact it would have been the main settlement of the Children of the Forest.

It's all about location.

>>24445500
I know danaerys is a bit of a dumb slut but its lines like these that make me hope that she does end up with some family that actually care about her. Then again if Jon comes back as a bloodthirsty wolf man im not sure how caring he will be.
If only that fuck would finish the books. If only.

George may be a creature but I think he writes about breakdowns and chaos pretty well. He has set up all of these chaotic and apacolyptic events that gets everyone hyped and hasn't delivered for 15 years.
JonCon spreading grayscale
Rhllors followers spreading in the riverlands
Faithful MIlitant gaining more power
Euron dirlewanger maxxing
All of these big buildups to disaster on a massive scale and instead I get NOOOTTTHHIINGGG

What would you rather be:
- Minor Lord
- Knight
- Maester
- Septon
- Pyromancer
- Spellsmifh
- Warlock
- Red Priest
- Dreamer
- Skinchanger

>>24448615
Skinchanger seems the obvious choice here. It’s, like, the one form of magic that has no drawbacks beyond overexposure. Everything else is either more trouble than it’s worth or so mysterious that we don’t know enough about it to even bother considering it.

>>24448615
maester to a minor lord

>>24445053
It shouldn’t even really be on the Blackwater since that’s a river that leads practically nowhere. The trident is a much more lucrative delta.

>>24448744
Aegon settled at the mouth of the Blackwater because it was accessible from the sea but not developed properly because it sat in the disputed area between the Stormlands and the Riverlands which was raided by both sides and never held permanently by either

>>24448615
Minor lord, followed by maester

>>24448636
There seems to be a sliding scale of skinchangers, where most are barely able to wrench control of an eagle though. Varamyr seemed to be a bit of prodigy for having a polar bear, snow leopard, pack of wolves, etc.

>>24448830
I believe some can only skinchange specific animals, or only take to specific animals, which is why terms like ‘warg’ exist.
>Varamyr
He was arguably the most powerful skinchanger of his era. Bar greenseers. Loved seeing him get taken out / driven insane by Melisandre.

>>24448257
>after 6000 pages, the five main characters also have the most boring stories (other than jon)

>>24446667
kek
i need to reread the relevant part. i remember him thinking which one to take, the old alpha or the young bitch but lamenting having to get mounted or some shit.

>>24447732
Blackpill of the century

>>24449006
He also describes one of his deaths as being when her wore the skin of a female wolf dying in childbirth so uh… he was doing it more often than he admits.

>>24445547
It makes sense that it would get harder to kill off main characters as we got deeper into the series. All the pages describing a character’s journey, maturation is an “investment” on the author’s part, and so they’d be reluctant to throw that away. It’s like getting rid of a very useful prop.

>>24447732
>Grrm's self insert is Sam
>The guy raising another man's son
Jesus is he a cuck or what?

which westerosi female has the best pits?

>>24449200
We can’t really judge since they’re always kept under wrap.

>>24449200
I bet Catelyn has some hairy ones

>>24449200
mya stone

>>24449200
Asha or Osha

I just know if I read a chapter per day Winds of Winter will release when I finish

>>24448029
Would Dany or Viserys get bled by a maester if they became queen/king? They are always acting spastic

>>24449652
No that is far too quick read one page per day until Winds releases, far more realistic.
Shit maybe I should do it and record it just to shit on George.

>>24443970 (OP)
kek Georgie would write this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK_AofDmsRU

>>24448380
Alt Shift X creams over this bit so hard

>>24449612
The best (as in happiest) ending possible for ASOIAF is either Mya or Shireen winning the Iron Throne. And honestly these endings go way better with George's feminism than Dany, Daenerys, Cersei, Myrcella, or Arianne winning

>>24448636
>You become a skinchanger
>You can only control dogs
>No dog can resist your mind
>On full moons you can control many dogs at once
What do you do?

>>24448953
>The book skips the part of his life where he would have been Varamyr "four skin"

Valyrians were slaves to the fish people, like the others who had contact with the “nameless” ancient race. They rebelled the same way the Grey King had done, except on societal scale. They stole the “living flame” of the wyrms, as the Grey King had done with Nagga, a sea wyrm.

Weird how no one is catching up on this.

>>24450164
I also think dragons are sourced to the sea. Or the magic fire breathing part at least.

>>24450168
Deep sea wyrms hanging around deep sea thermal vents… spliced with wyverns to be able to fly…

“It’s always summer under the sea~”

>>24450164
Thank God George will never finish this series, there's no way he would have given a proper closure or full explanation on how the other homnid races of Westeros both helped the first civilizations start up but also how they would properly return gradually while also balancing the grounded war plots.

I would say that George should abandon Winds and try to finish D+E and I guess F&B while he is at it, because he is never going to finish Winds.

The blackpill is accepting that he doesn't even really want to write D+E and F&B. He would rather be an ideas guy for tv shows, edit random people's shit, travel the world, open a movie theater and library, produce movies about his friends, and just hang out with his friends in general. Why work when you can live?

>>24450199
Yeah the problem is George is too much of a narcissist to ever let that happen. He wants his cake and another cake on top of that like the fat fuck he is then eat both too, in under an hour, you fat piece of shit.
You don't have to sire a son but you could have outsourced the book by now, if not out sourced the editing at least, but he won't, he can give an outline, review, help, but he won't, he can at least, pick out someone, an assistant, or otherwise, to continue his work, but he won't.
He wishes he could finish his shit singlehandedly and still enjoy doing nothing while also doing multiple other projects.

>>24450164
Azor ahai was a hero who united the human clans against the fish people before the walkers were even created. They became a problem though and started expanding and killing every non human race leading to the children calling down meteors and creating the walkers to fight them

>>24448257
>MY TRILOGY

>>24450214
>out sourced the editing at least
He's had editors since the first book.

"TYRION could be here" she thought, "I've never been in this part of the Red Keep before. There could be TYRION anywhere." The cool wind felt good against her bare chest. "I HATE TYRION" she thought. The Rains of Castamere reverberated her entire castle, making it pulsate even as the nine-dragon wine circulated through her powerful thick veins and washed away her (merited) fear of valonqars after dark. "With a torturer, you can get any information you want" she said to herself, out loud.

>>24449985
Skinchange into the Hound and fuck Sansa!

>>24450199
>I would say that George should abandon Winds and try to finish D+E and I guess F&B while he is at it, because he is never going to finish Winds.

He really ought to be concentrating on Dunk & Egg, as the novella format is easier to finish.

>>24450984
sending a dog to fuck a bitch

>>24446396
My guess is he came up with the idea initially but as he began to write and expand the series how bran would get there became more complicated or him being king makes little sense based on what was established in the previous novels.

Its kinda like Dany, in the early drafts the mad queen angle makes sense but where she is now it would seem like a complete 180.

Who do you think would be the best shags in Ice and Fire? I think the top three would be Cersei, Arianne, and Asha.

>>24452321
Ellaria Sand has gotta be up there too. Pussy so good it made the world's greatest womanizer settle down

>>24452318
the sins of gardening

>>24452337
i mean, the fact they're not exclusive helped with the settling down

>>24448437
I think the story in general is meant to become apocalyptic and horrorish by the end, particularly if The Armageddon Rag is any indication of what GRRM is intending

The Targaryens helped the Faceless take out the wizards tending the Fourteen Flames, leading to the Doom.

Only one of the forty dragonlord families made it out? Yeah that’s a little bit too lucky. They had a part in it.

We can only wonder who else wanted to see the peninsula destroyed. I doubt it was just the Targaryens and the Faceless.

>>24452595
Could have been suicidal. “If I can’t have it nobody can.”

>>24452595
>Only one of the forty dragonlord families made it out?
A few other dragonlords survived, but they got assassinated in the century of blood or by trying to retake Valyria like Aurion.

I don't buy David Lightbringer's idea that Aenar helped the Faceless Men cause the Doom because he was anti-slavery, but if the Faceless Men did cause the Doom, it makes sense that they'd leave the Targaryens alone as long as they stayed in Westeros

I think the targaryens suck

>Dany was Sauron
This was fucking KINO of the highest order and nobody can tell me it wasn't.
It was executed like dogshit in the TV show since DD leaned to heavily into girlbossing her and making her a feminist icon and then didn't have the balls, intelligence or self-awareness to do meta-subversion where the fan favorite character was actually fucking evil as shit.

Just needed appropriate build up, she has a messiah complex, she thinks everyone against her is ontologically evil. Tyrion put it well in the show at least "everywhere she goes, evil men die" Daenerys doesn't have a complex, cultured and Machiavellian, top-down world view that can see grey areas and forgive faults in people. Everything is a nail. Just a bit of pressure and stress and she can convince herself she had no choice but to do crazy bullshit.
A fun reflection and cultural critique on the people who actually worshipped dany.

But nooooo, now fat man will never release the book.

Why are women in this series so goddamn awful?

>>24452865
>Just needed appropriate build up,
What I've been saying all along

>>24452321
>Who do you think would be the best shags in Ice and Fire?

>>24452321

Where do you think Daenerys story arc will head in Winds? I can see Marwyn being like an advisor to her and filling her in on some lore stuff maybe Daenerys kills him after figuring out he taught Mirri after that I'm guessing Victarion arrives on the scene somewhere, he may or may not be the one to save from from the Dothraki sea maybe this is what kicks off their romance, Daenerys is dehydrated and hallucinating then sees this hulking suit of armour walk up to the Dothraki and slaughter them and this is where it begins for the pair.
Maybe after being rescued by Victarion she becomes friends with Moqqoro and even pushes her into adopting the Red Faith as her main religion

>>24452321
Melisandre’s pussy is so good it’s literally sucking the life out of Stannis. Cersei’s probably pretty good but not nearly as good as she thinks.

>>24452696
It actually makes zero sense if they acted alone, since they wouldn’t be powerful enough otherwise.

>>24452865
>the story would be good if it was written well!
>shart!

>>24453060
Victarion and Daenerys is such a natural conclusion, he is Drogo but less retarded, has ships and doesn't sell people as slaves.

>>24453192
Victarion is a lot more retarded than Drogo.

>>24453192
>doesn't sell people as slaves.
technically true, he doesn't _sell_ them

>>24452696
George is an idiot for implying that the Faceless Men are as powerful as they are described in the book. Fucking insanity.

>>24453192
>>24453538
>Afterward he put their crews to death as well, saving only the slaves chained to the oars. He broke their chains himself and told them they were now free men and would have the privilege of rowing for the Iron Fleet, an honor that every boy in the Iron Islands dreamed of growing up. “The dragon queen frees slaves and so do I,” he proclaimed.

>>24453543
their real life counterpart was very powerful

Really pisses me off how people think Daenerys is still ages away from invading Westoros. She is literally two steps away. She's about to lead a Dothraki horde on dragonback to undo her city's siege. She gets there, she finds Barristan undoing the siege just fine on his own, but also shes now got two companies of sellswords on her side thanks to Tyrian, and an entire fleet just showed up on her door.
Maybe she kills Victarion, maybe she marries him, maybe she marries then kills him. Either way no ones saying no to her at that point. She takes all her troops in that fleet, sails to Volantis. A massive slave revolt happens in Volantis the second they see her sails, by the time she docks theyre ready to supply her invasion with anything she wants, boom onto Westoros.

>>24453601
real and all that but given how slow events moved in the last 2 books I think the big problem is how long it takes to actually get to these events.
If she is just yapping on and on and on and it turns out we have only moved a couple feet in one direction then a gazillion pages are written and yet the fat fuck wants to fit everything in 2 more books.

>>24453060
>>24453548
I can totally see Dany being a typical teenage girl thinking she can fix him. Seeing that he comes from a slaver culture and thinks hes ending slavery and thinks thats a good start.

>dothraki horselord cock
>ghiscari slaver cock
>tyroshi sellsword cock
>ironborn reaver cock
>not even 18 years old yet

>>24448108
>Now I admire Cassius Clay, I do

>>24453543
They could have been more powerful back when Valyria was around. They started in Valyria so maybe they had temples there.

>>24453555
What do you think their real life counterpart is? There's numerous inspirations.

>>24452998
If you move the death of Rhaegal to the end of the Battle of the Bells where Euron takes a pot-shot at her dragon in the middle of the surrender, her burninating of King's Landing makes complete and total sense.

>>24453980
>What do you think their real life counterpart is?
The order whence the word assassin originated.

>>24454151
The Hashshashin? That’s too easy. They’re (the Faceless) also a mystery cult. Sorcery and assassination always went hand in hand for millennia, so too. The ability to take someone via sorcery is indistinguishable.

>>24453693
More like not even 16 yet. Blame the fat man and his perversions

>>24453347
Victarion is dumb but all Dorthraki are retarded caricatures of steppe nomads.

>>24454128
>burninating
Burning with urine? Piss that was Promised confirmed.

>>24454257
Can you imagine the Dothraki funding advancements in astronomy and medicine like the mongols?

>>24454263
Whose piss is the piss that was promised? I hope it's Daenerys' piss

I think the demoralizing thing is that even after a 14 year wait, there is no light at the end of the tunnel. George actively squashed any delusion any copers still had of a light a week or two ago, without a single silver lining.

>>24454219
She's 16 at the end of ADWD.

>>24454336On a re-read of A Feast for Crows, I noticed some odd parts regarding Aeron Damphair. I put together a theory about what might be foreshadowed by these elements that I think is pretty strong.

We are told about Aeron's hatred of his brother Euron, but the Ironborn take the prohibition on kinslaying pretty seriously, especially godly men like Aeron. However, there is a line where Aeron comments on someone who killed a relative by drowning, when told that he spilled the blood of his kin, "If he was drowned, no blood was spilled." If this implies that, at least among the Ironborn, drowning someone is not considered kinslaying, it might give Aeron a way to kill Euron that would be acceptable to him.

In this same chapter, we are told about how Aeron had an almost supernatural ability to urinate. He would piss out hearth fires before he found religion, and if you've ever tried to put out a good-sized campfire with a bucket of water, you'd know how impressive that is. His urination abilities were so impressive that, when he was captive at Casterly Rock, people would come visit him in the gaol just to watch him piss.

If you google "Euron" and disregard everything related to ASoIaF, you'll see that it is the name of a brand of medical supplies. What is the top item produced by Euron? URINE RECEPTACLES.

You can surely see where I'm going with this. I believe that it has been foreshadowed by GRRM that Aeron is going to drown Euron with his urine. I believe this would be a poetic way for Aeron to kill him, considering he was molested by Euron and his role as a priest of the Drowned God. This would be the first person Aeron drowned who did not survive. It might also signal a return to his old life of drinking and having fun after giving up religion.

The recently released Aeron chapter from The Winds of Winter adds more possible connections to this theory. Aeron is currently tied to a prow of a ship. This will give him the opportunity to drink large amounts of seawater. How does drinking seawater kill you? It forces your kidneys to draw excessive water from your body to flush the salt out. By drinking seawater, Aeron could both commit suicide in a godly way, AND produce perhaps the largest piss he's ever made.

So is GRRM almost done by now? It's been some decades?

>>24453613
This attitude also pisses me off, how do people miss that Dance is all about Jon and Dany trying to be "good" rulers who solve problems with words and how it fucks both of them up. Clearly when Winds come the time for talk will be over. Dany is coming back from the grassland with fire and blood, and Jon is gonna come back a true king of winter, ready to slay any who disagree with them.

>>24454392
On the contrary, I dont think George would be this willing to vent unless he felt good about his progress. Honestly, based on his comments last year about his one regret being not writing the whole thing before publishing any of it, like gene wolfe did with botns, I feel like George got to a good finish point for Winds last year but decided to keep going into Dream to be sure he doesnt have to change anything.

>>24454424
Lmao

>>24454424
cope, cope, it rhymes with hope

I think Gurm had winds saved on a crappy old computer and spilled melted cheese on the hardrive about 8 years ago. This effectively destroyed his morale and he hasn't written a single word since--with the only remnants of the story being the chapters published before the cheese incident

>>24454424
>On the contrary, I dont think George would be this willing to vent unless he felt good about his progress.
I feel the complete opposite. He was so obviously lashing out and angry at himself, but passingly it to his fans.
If he was on a good streak with Winds, this would have been a good opportunity to “shut everyone up” by announcing he was only X pages from the finish line. The fact that he couldn’t means there isn’t even good news for him to gloat with.

>>24454399
Holy shit. This is it. This is what’s going to happen.

>>24454399
>The recently released Aeron chapter from The Winds of Winter adds
Recent? It’s more than a decade old? Didn’t read the rest.

>>24454257
Drogo appears clever but uneducated. He becomes somewhat fluent in Dany's language in a few months. Victarion is genuinely stupid on the other hand.

>>24454257
GRRM deliberately wrote Victarion to be dumb, he made the Dothraki dumb unintentionally.

Reminder that the Rhoynar could barely deal with three dragons.
Reminder that Westeros couldn’t deal with three dragons.
Reminder that Aegon says three dragons will stop the long night.

Reminder that Valyria had a thousand or more dragons.

>>24454573
What the fuck is George’s problem making them so awesome, anyway? “Heh. The Targaryens are the WEAKEST too, heh, you haven’t even SEEN the big name dragonlords yet, heh”.

>>24454482
It's from asoiaf forum. User got banned for this theory btw.

>>24454626
Elio the slop merchant doesn't want people getting too close to the truth

Anyone remember a MEGA with various asoiaf maps (including speculative fanmade ones)? Is it still up?

>>24452776
I hate all Targs but Viserys the Beggar King and that's less admiration and mostly pity.
>>24454318
Actually, I kind of can... Drogo was actually very rich so if he wanted to he could have funded something

>>24452776
yes, the only based Targ is a Stark

Valyrians stayed away from Westeros because the wargs could control their dragons

Gurm is a fat cunt pass it on

>>24445500
imagine the spitroasting

>>24448380
>no true Scotsman

>>24448437
why won't Connington set up an incident that chops off his hand?
getting cut in a skirmish and finishing the job himself or have himself get cut in a practice duel or some shit?

>>24450199
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE I DO CARE
>Thing is, I do care about them.
>And I care about Westeros and WINDS as well. The Starks and Lannisters and Targaryens, Tyrion and Asha, Dany and Daenerys, the dragons and the direwolves, I care about them all. More than you can ever imagine.

>>24452321
agree on Arianne because she's an experienced whore. not so much Cersei and Asha.
i guess Shae being a young whore too makes her good.
that Robert bastard in the vale seems to have a sculpted body from the climbing she does frequently and has a bastard's blood so she's wanton by nature.

>>24453693
hot

>>24453548
kino

>>24453693
>ironborn reaver cock
Hasn't happened (yet).

>>24455776
you would think if he cared so much he would have at least published a single new page of winds that wasn't spill off of dance in 15 years

>>24443970 (OP)
Why does George's writing puts me to sleep every time I try it? Never had this problem before. It's just too meandering

>>24454399
the fat man took this from us, never forget, never forgive

>>24454418
>when Winds come
anon I.....

>>24455788
>"[She] has a bastard's blood so she's wanton by nature."
okay there Catelyn

>>24450809
"WILDLINGS could be here" he thought, "I've never been this far north of the wall before. There could be WILDLINGS anywhere." The cool wind felt good against his bare chest. "I HATE WILDLINGS" he thought. The Bear and the Maiden Fair reverberated his entire garron, even as the dornish sour red circulated through his powerful thick veins and washed away his (merited) fear of savages after dark. "With a garron, you can range as far north of the wall as you want" he said to himself, out loud.

>>24456183
catelyn x fem!jon...........

I'm on the 2nd book right now and the Arya chapters are so fucking boring.

Do they ever get any better?

>>24456254
yes

>>24456254
why would you read an unfinished series whose author has no intention of finishing it?

>>24456254
Arya chapters are the best parts of clash imo

>>24456313
a cake with no icing is still a good cake

>>24456632
but you're eating a cake that hasn't been in the oven enough time yet.
>food analogy

>>24456632
>no icing
Nigger, we're barely into the second act of the story.

>>24449168
hes a fat nerd sam being his self insert is not surprising

>>24454400
winds is coming out 32nd december this year

just fucking sick of it just fucking sick of it its over its over its over but my fat pink mast keeps getting sucked back in

>>24455381
But that’s retarded. You’re assuming they wouldn’t have their own dragon-controlling magics. We already know that similar magics exist abroad in different forms.

>>24454128
They shouldn't have made her a girlboss in season 6 . Instead that space could've been used to build up her gradual descent into madness.

>>24456788
>You’re assuming they wouldn’t have their own dragon-controlling magics
he's assuming they're wargs/skinchangers and a more powerful warg/skingchanger might exist in westeros so they're avoiding it.
Varamyr said he could take control of Ghost if mance wished it.
BUT
he's assuming Essosi DON'T have wargs/skinchangers and i don't know how accurate is this.

>>24456833
>he's assuming they're wargs/skinchangers and a more powerful warg/skingchanger might exist in westeros so they're avoiding it.
>he's assuming Essosi DON'T have wargs/skinchangers and i don't know how accurate is this.
Lol, we can’t just assume children of the forest magic is more potent or powerful than Valyrian magic.

— “Valyrian Dragons were controlled by whips, magic horns and sorcery"

We know that glass candles can do what green seers do/did, and we also know that skinchangers exist all the way over in the east, in Asshai. The Boash’i are also similar. Very similar words are used.

The only people who think Valyrians fear skinchangers are “omg I love wolves :)” female readers

>>24456869
You just know

>>24456869
What’s funny about female readers of asoiaf if they gravitate so hard towards the old gods and the children of the forest and see them like pagan rebels fighting for a naturistic religion of peace and love when it couldn’t be further from the truth. The children of the forest raped humans and hung their entrails on the branches of weirwoods. Warg kings were rapacious tyrants and the Starks fought green seers in the past.

>>24456928
Isn’t this why the Starks (Kings of Winter) are skinchangers to begin with? They mated with the Warg King’s daughters? So they became wargs too?

On the Kings of Winter:
> Chronicles found in the archives of the Night's Watch at the Nightfort (before it was abandoned) speak of the war for Sea Dragon Point, wherein the Starks brought down the Warg King and his inhuman allies, the children of the forest. When the Warg King's last redoubt fell, his sons were put to the sword, along with his beasts and greenseers, whilst his daughters were taken as prizes by their conquerors.

>>24456861
>Lol, we can’t just assume children of the forest magic is more potent or powerful than Valyrian magic.
if wargs/skinchangers exist in a place, then someone more powerful might exist.
i assume that anon is assuming other places don't have wargs/skinchangers.

>>24456941
>if wargs/skinchangers exist in a place, then someone more powerful might exist.
Okay so Valyrian wizards are probably a lot better than CotF wizards, since they don’t need to attach themselves to weird trees to do what they do. They just need to stare at a funny shaped candle.

>>24448108
>we don't need any more Dark Lord's
Then what the fuck is Euron?

>>24456963
Urine.

>>24456647
raw dough is goated

>>24456669
and it's already great (except for arya and bran chapters

Jonsa status?

>>24457086
H A P P E N I N G

>>24456254
They get progressively worse

>>24448108
Jon the heroic protagonist is actually grey and morally complex because he wears black, that’s usually a bad guy color. Meryl Trant isnt a bad guy he’s actually grey because he wears white which is a good guy color. Black + white = grey

New in the thread.

What is the leading theory as to why George refuses to write Winds? My understanding is that he's had more than enough time to finish it by now, so it's clearly not an issue of being unable to finish it, but rather about him simply not wanting to write it.

Why do you guys think he's refusing to?

>>24456963
A pragmatic raider, pirate and adventurer?

>>24456254
I'm in the minority that thinks Arya is the worst POV at least of the ones introduced in the first 3 books.

>>24457360
TV royalties + post show book sales making him enough money that he never actually has to work again probably killed his work ethic enough that he could never get back into the groove. Without the pressure of HAVING to release a book to keep eating he's probably either given up or turned into an ultra-perfectionist

>>24457370
Is that really a minority opinion? I would've assumed people generally agreed on that.

>since they don’t need to attach themselves to weird trees to do what they do

How would Bran react to an alternative method that doesn’t require him to be a cripple?

>>24456254
arya's chapters only get worse as the books go on, especially in the fourth and fifth books

>>24457360
here's a few possibilities, it's probably a combination of a multiple of these:
>George has become a perfectionist over time. There are events, plot holes, and timings he just plain ignored in Storm (e.g. Arya's travels make no logistic sense, she just teleports where she's needed) that he got autistic over in Dance and Feast
>George doesn't know how to deal with the powercreep of magic in the story due to Sam now having a glass candle and Bran finally making it to Bloodraven
>The plot has grown increasingly complex as Feast and Dance blew up the number of PoVs and George can no longer manage the story without creating plotholes
>George doesn't know how to handle PoVs running into each other (see the Meereenese Knot) and that's just getting worse as everyone's worlds collide
>George has undiagnosed ADHD and can no longer stay focused. He heavily implied this at Bubonicon when he said if he has a dinner at 6pm, there are times he can't write at 10am because he's too focused on the thing he's excited for in the evening.
>Now that he has found wealth with the TV show, he wants to help all the people who helped him in life get their shit adapted and is splitting himself too thinly across projects
>He's not as motivated as he was when he was a starving author living off book deadlines
>JK Rowling winning the Hugo ruined his life and made him a changed man

There's a few others but those are the ones I know off the top of my head

>>24457410
Normies like Arya, and many hardcore fans dislike Bran (boring) or Dany (side story) or Sansa (stupid) or Cat (bitch) or Sam (whiny) or even Jon (dull) more than her. Just from what I've seen.

>>24457480
The meereenese knot can refer to:
>the plotline in Meereen in A Dance with Dragons which George R.R. Martin took some time to sort out, as several of the storylines and characters converge in Meereen.
or
>Kayla, a prostitute working in the brothel owned by Petyr Baelish in King's Landing, can perform a sexual position called the "Meereenese knot".
This phrase is literally a perfect microcosm of ASOIAF. Character bloat, shaky timelines and nonsensical movements, dany's sluggish and boring plot, and crude sexual activity

>>24457360
the thing that confuses me is that he outlined his plan for the series's climax for the show before his departure (didn't he?)
so if he has an outline why not just write the outline

Where is it said that glass candles are just another form of green seering magic

>>24457583
i imagine it's a different source of magic than whatever the green niggas are up to

Sourleaf

>>24458273
sourboy

what's his fucking problem

>>24458281
rapebaby

>ywn clean asha's entire body with your tongue after she gets back from a long week of raiding

how fucked up are loras's injuries?

>>24458286
he got doused in boiling oil, he'll be a melted-looking burn victim

>>24457551
Imagine knowing an end state but not having a clear idea of how to get her. D&D apparently knew their ending since season 4, but they still failed to develop Daenerys' character in a way that led up to it. Plot developments have to be surprising, but also logical and satisfying.
This doesn't excuse 14 fucking years of wait of course.

>>24458286
>>24458287
Loras and Quentyn will do a sick burnt man body swap in Winds

>>24457360
>What is the leading theory as to why George refuses to write Winds?

My theory is that as fans have had literally decades to endlessly debate and discuss story theories, GRRM realizes he could never write anything that would satisfy them and that would hurt his legacy.

But by leaving ASOIAF unfinished, when he dies the fanbase can continue to endlessly debate and discuss theories all the while praising GRRM for what he did manage to get done.

>>24456963
>Then what the fuck is Euron?

A dropped plotline. There is no time or space to conclude whatever GRRM may have had planned for Euron, who is a cheeseball character anyways.

>>24458389
He wants to create his own House of the Undying but actually powerful

>>24458307
totally agreed on everything you said but... just do the show but better lol

>>24457360
>Winds was finished by the final season which was supposed to buff sales (perhaps it was a surprises 1000 page tome, 2 in 1, one and done)
>he refuses to have the Publishers collate all existing media of fan theories in a digestible format for him to wargame his narrative options and threading the various needles; AI's literally built for this
>he fears finishing it will kill him

Mostly he an Apex Boomer whose Narrative Ponzi Scheme gets closer to being found out as fraudulent the further along it goes-- and these types only get worse with age, and he has no children whose legacy might light a fire under his morbidly obese ass.

>>24458286
He's faking

>>24458562
>>24458286
It was a different guy in his armor.

>>24458576
That's becoming a staple of Tyrell bullshit.

>>24458586
There whole thing is the Tyrells being "Stewards" they will reinforce power, but rarely do they risk themselves. Every time they attempt to gain power its as the lesser/secondary.

>>24458523
Too many dropped plotlines, too many characters going OOC in the later seasons. Can't polish a turd.

>>24457086
STILL winning, as always

>>24458597
who's the artist?

>>24458665
all-lee24 on tumblr

>>24458713
I like the way these are drawn

The Stark maiden Bael the Bard stole has red hair in the graphic novels for some reason.

>>24456963
Euron is the coolest mofo in westeros and Essosand Sothoryosand all of Planetos
https://files.catbox.moe/rvxv67.mp3

>>24458713
cute

>>24458871
jonsa = confirm

Baelor Breakspear would have redeemed House Targaryen.

LMAO

“Japanese girlfriend watches the red wedding”

Read the comments “Why did you specify that she’s Japanese you racist white pig”

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/Ws7MxrUo1yY

>>24458996
all "evidence" for jonsa is literally "Elvis was kidnapped by aliens" tier

>>24459046
Kek why are white people like this

>>24458713
>kept the part where Cersei wears a dress that matches Rhaegar's armor when he was killed by Robert

kino

>>24459059
Nigger it's not a science paper who cares about evidence

>>24459046
I’m pretty sure the Japanese also show off their white partners as well…..

>>24457480
>>George doesn't know how to handle PoVs running into each other (see the Meereenese Knot) and that's just getting worse as everyone's worlds collide
it should be making things easier
if daenerys is heading west (which she's supposed to be), and tyrion is with her (which he's supposed to be), then george should be able to cover daenerys burning tolos and elyria and mantarys and volantis and myr and lys and tyrosh twice as fast since he has two povs to see it instead of one
assuming he doesn't offscreen most of it like he might have done if it were in game or storm

>>24459059
you didn't pay enough attention to the books then, bucko

It might ACTUALLY be over now, guys...

Where’s India and Japan on the asoiaf map

>>24459327
Inderos and Nihoros will be mapped out once someone actually goes to Sothoryos or crosses the Sunset Sea, respectively.

>>24459327
The Shadow Lands are an analogy for India drowning in it's own waste

>>24459322
We knew. I told you fags, everyone believed that a fat old nerd with all the time in the world was just too stupid to finish his work, no he just never wanted to.

>>24458597
that's why i said do the show "but better"
it could be done if george actually wanted to do it, especially given almost 15 years to get it done

>Too many dropped plotlines, too many characters going OOC in the later seasons
im talking about the book series so this doesn't really apply. im saying he could take the outline for the show and translate it to the book without losing all the missing detail that made the show ass

>>24459059
honestly, there's some compelling evidence for it if you look even a little

>>24459332
This is the best take honestly
Their river is literally full of mutant fish just like India’s holiest river

>>24459327
leng might vaguely be japan
there are 3 cities in essos - bayasabhad, kayakayanaya and samyriana, that might be indianish

>>24459568
Leng is Indonesia, thick rainforests full of stone old cosmic animal gods who are locked in deep crypts.

>>24457388
>>24457480
>>24457551
>>24458381
>>24458560
>>24457519
>>24459238
Thanks for taking the time to respond guys.

The plot becoming too complex due to too many POV's is easily solved, as is magic power creep:

Okay, Sam has access to a glass candle. So what? Maybe one of the senior Maesters simply tells Sam that he isn't allowed to access the room with the glass candle until he has spent enough time training?

Multiple POV's, why is this a problem? Why can't Dany, Tyrion, Victarion and all the others be in the same chapter? There's no magic rule saying we need to know what is going through each characters head at all times. Make the chapters shorter than typical chapters perhaps, and show multiple perspectives? That would be a fun way to spice it up.

These things are surely not hard?

After all the videos I've seen and what you guys have said, I think it just boils down to him "not wanting to" finish the books. But it would of course be catastrophic for his public image and legacy if he ever openly admitted to it.

>>24459873
that's the part that throws me off too, why would he "not want" to finish? i suppose the 'work' load of writing the last two books might not feel like a priority to him any longer but putting it off for this long?

i feel like any 'issues' he's encountering are entirely self asserted and solvable with the things you've come up with, for example

>oh no all my plotlines and character arcs wah

eschew some plotlines, slim down, not every joe schmoe can have a grand and revelatory resolution. or, you know, do what you do and kill some fucking characters

>power creep

what even would be the roadblock here? characters are becoming too powerful? i don't see how. characters are gaining power too slowly? how does that impact the ability to write your story. seriously, what's the "power creep" problem?

>multiple povs

this one is super bullshit considering we regularly get POV characters interacting in the same chapters, sometimes even getting chapters later spanning the same timeframe but with the other POVs perspective.

so yeah maybe he's just over it but that totally sucks and is unfulfilling and lame and i have a hard time seeing him being like "eh i'm like 75% done with my epic series but i'm just gonna not finish it."

>>24453192
Based. Vic and Dany, forever.

>>24455840
Soon. Best pairing.

Does anyone else ship Victarion and Dany together?

>>24460056
>>24460058
>>24460072
autist

>>24460078
I like the pairing. Vic's a better man than Daario.

Looking back, the Brackens aren’t as lame and comic book villainy as the fans make them out to be. They are actually pretty badass

There's a few things I don't understand.

Why did Balon want so desperately to attack the north when the south is way richer and he could've guaranteed half of westeros as his allies?
Why didn't Tyrion arrest Littlefinger as soon as he got to King's Landing when he knew full well that this whole conflict started because he lied about who the dagger belonged to.
Why did Littlefinger even devise the plan with the dagger to begin with since he would've needed Ned or Catelyn to directly ask him wtf is up with the dagger and then also for them to take him at his word, something that I doubt he could've predicted.
Why didn't Varys just expose Littlefinger through an intermediary and thereby fuck up all his plans and ensure peace?
Why didn't the North immediately rise against the Boltons for killing their rightful King and being a bunch of torturers that everyone hated anyway?
Why was Stannis so autistic about attacking king's landing with his ships when he could've simply landed unopposed slightly to the north and fought on land instead?

>>24459940
>>24459873
>magic system
Maybe power creep was the wrong word. The point is that the magic system in question, glass candles and greenseeing explicitly REMOVE agency of characters in the story if they're just being warged or being sent manipulative dreams. George has said in his interviews at Oxford and Albuquerque that he doesn't know how to handle the magic, and even as recently as his sit down with Abercrombie he asked him about how he deals with a ramping magic system, which stood out as an extremely specific question for himself and the situation he has previously talked about.

>PoVs
Preston was claiming that George got to autistic about when different PoVs should show up and how he had to write 1k extra pages of Essos story to figure out when Quentyn, Tyrion and Victarion should arrive in Meereen with respect to Dany's wedding, and compared it to how he never questioned when Jaime should arrive with respect to Tyrion's trial.

I think the bigger issue is that he's become a perfectionist and the blowback on S8 hurt him way more than he'd like to show. He's not mad at D&D at all compared to Condal, so they clearly followed his (limited) instructions but I think he's paranoid about people not liking his ending.

>>24459940
>why would he "not want" to finish


I believe it just boils down to "writing it isn't fun anymore so fuck this" which in turn just makes him hate the people constantly asking for it. of course he can't say that publicly but everything he's shown in the last 15 years has kinda made believe that's the reason. Jesus, it really has been a decade and half. he could have written half a sentence a day in that time and he'd probably already would have been at two skull crusher sized books already.

As an ugly dude, I think George is brutal in his portrayal of ugliness. It's too realistic.

>>24460214
>Why did Balon
Because Balon's a petty retard and a bad lord.
>Why not arrest Littlefinger?
Story doesn't work if the main shit-stirrer is behind bars.
>Why did Littlefinger use the dagger plan?
Ned and Cat are gullible, so his confidence is warranted.
>Why didn't Varys want peace?
He does not seem to want peace at all. Never trust a eunuch.
>Why didn't the North rise up?
Worried that the Boltons will destroy them? Idk, Boltons don't seem overwhelmingly strong, seems contrived for them to be secretly mega-loyal to the Starks.
>Why was Stannis autistic?
Autism.

>>24454399
>Aeron's ship was named the Golden Storm
Too perfect.

>>24460214
>Why did Balon want so desperately to attack the north when the south is way richer and he could've guaranteed half of westeros as his allies?
the North was less capable of defending itself and Balon was seething that Ned turned his only son into a prancing greenland basedboy
>Why didn't Varys just expose Littlefinger through an intermediary and thereby fuck up all his plans and ensure peace?
because he wants to fuck up the kingdom enough for Daenerys or Aegon VI to be seen as the only legitimate ruler when they land in Westeros
>Why didn't the North immediately rise against the Boltons for killing their rightful King and being a bunch of torturers that everyone hated anyway?
most Northern houses lost most of their levies in the south or fighting the ironborn, the only Northern lords who still have sizable armies are the Boltons (because Roose intentionally held his own men out of danger), the Dustins (because Barbrey held back as many of her own men from the call to arms as she thought she could get away with out of spite), and the Manderlys (who were still preparing a naval force to attack the Crownlands when the Red Wedding happened); and the Boltons are backed up by a sizable portion of the Freys' men. The Norferners stand no chance unless they preemptively weaken and isolate the Boltons
>Why was Stannis so autistic about attacking king's landing with his ships when he could've simply landed unopposed slightly to the north and fought on land instead?
the Mud Gate is the weakest gate to the city and the only one Stannis thought he could force in a single attack, without laying siege first. I think the geography north of the city also makes a naval landing way harder but I might be making that part up

kwab

>>24458273
milk of the poppy

>>24458592
not to mention cerci is told about his injuries by a dude that robbed her blind at the end of feast lol

>>24460399
Alexa, play "All I do is win".

>>24460399
his top surgery scars...

>>24460438
>jonnel
Aemond one eye name mogs so hard

>>24460438
Wait, Jon is marrying his cousin Robin Arryn?

>>24456928
>The children of the forest raped humans and hung their entrails on the branches of weirwoods. Warg kings were rapacious tyrants
Anon that is precisely why female readers lean towards them.

>>24461108
Wrong. They get angry when you tell them the nature religion is le evil.

>>24460230
He’s not sure about the magic because that’s precisely the point: magic is iffy. It’s like a beast of nature. Not a force purely to manipulate.

A magic *system* seems counterproductive unless you’re a capital-w wizard, which George appears to be avoiding.

>>24461139
Well duh, it's because nothing you described is le evil.

>>24461153
Oh I see what you’re doing now. You’re a no good entrails hanging tree savage!

>>24461192
Anon Joffrey displayed the severed heads of Ned Stark and his servants on the walls of Red Keep.

The year is 2025. Stannis still hasn't won the Battle of Ice.

>>24461395
The year is 2025
>Stannis still hasn't won the Battle of Ice.
>Jon is dead at the wall
>Wildlings about to exterminate the NW and Selyse's entourage
>Arya is lost (she's in Braavos, but is losing her identity)
>fArya is going to Braavos
>Sansa schemes in the Vale with LF
>Rickon is lost (he's likely on Skagos)
>Bran sitting in a cave North of the Wall, doing greenseer stuff
>Tommen is King, Tyrells rule through him
>Cersei is plotting
>Jamie has forsaken Cersei
>Brienne called Jamie away to kill him
>Lady Stoneheart hasn't taken revenge on the Freys
>Daenerys is face to face with a Dothraki horde alongside Drogon
>Vyserion and Rhaegal are loose around Meereen
>Tyrion, Penny and Jorah are around Meereen with the Second Sons
>Ser Grandfather rules Meereen under martial law
>Hizdahr imprisoned
>Victarion freshly arrived in Meereen
>Euron harassing the Reach with raids
>Theon and Asha are prisoners of Stannis
>Roose and Ramsey rule from Winterfell
>Manderlys killed some Freys, but further status unknown
>other Northern lords are either with Stannis or trapped in Winterfell
>Hardhome under attack
>Davos is on his way to Skagos to get Rickon
>fAegon chilling in the Stormlands
>Arianne set to merry fAegon
>Joncon strategizing before his death by greyscale
what else?

as someone who started reading the books after ADWD was already out, I can't imagine spending 6 years thinking Davos had been off-screened only for his side of the story to come out and reveal that he was >merely pretending to get executed

>>24461242
Aaaaaand that’s relevant becaaaauuuse??

>A GAME OF THRONES
>A CLASH OF KINGS
>A STORM OF SWORDS

George's legacy will be defined by these books.

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