This buffoon just lost whatever ounce of respect the public had for him.

>>24451316 (OP)
Live by the retarded masses, die by the retarded masses

>>24451316 (OP)
don't watch if you hate, it's so simple

>>24451316 (OP)
squash your penis

>>24451316 (OP)
>tips fedora

>>24451369
What do you mean by squash? What do you mean by your? What do you mean by penis?

>>24451316 (OP)
What'd he do? Did I miss something?

>>24451529
This. What's the QRD?

Hes always been a lolcow. here is the very first post about him on /lit/

>>24451529
>>24451541
Got humiliated by a bunch of college kids on a youtube debate channel called Jubilee. It was so bad even his subreddit turned on him.

>>24452646
What was the debate about?

>>24451316 (OP)
he lost it when he had a trans phase

>>24451316 (OP)
>just
This faggot has always been a disingenuous fraud, but he lost what few shreds of an illusion of credibility he had when he had himself put in a medically induced coma in Russia because he was too much of a weak willed cretin to kick his benzo addicition contrary to his entire ethos that he’d been pushing to young men for the better part of the 2010s

>>24452216
>I feel bad that she's his dad
big if true

>>24453032
>just
*JUST

>>24453032
His daughter is also a whore that got dicked by Andrew Tate.

>>24453032
I really don't understand how the fuck is it possible to drive yourself into levels of stress so high that you need to get addicted to benzos when you make the kind of money that Peterson was making back then. Like nigger just go on vacation lol, just rent a yatch or go to a spiritual retreat in the mountains.

>>24453064
His wife was supposedly dying of brain cancer for a few years and his daughter had a lot of health issues too supposedly.

>>24451316 (OP)
The man has been a joke longer than he’s been thought serious, why are you slow on the uptake? The last 5 years he’s only had twitter morons and Pajeet fans. Oohing and aahing over his evasive sentences that mean nothing presumably because they can’t tell a complex sentence from word salad.

>>24453064
Actually I'm reading about it now and his wife got cancer, yeah I get it now.

>>24453006
christianity and atheism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwk5MPE_6zE

>>24452216
Based historian.

>>24453064
This was right after zizek humiliated him in front of his own students and faculty in his own city and ended his professional career. Notice peterstein hasn’t had normal work since

>>24453032
I agree his is a faggot, but benzo addiction is no joke. If you have a heavy habit and stop, or even taper gradually, you can literally have a seizure and die. This in addition to months of not being able to actually relax or sleep, as well as a horrid mood and constant irritability.

>>24451316 (OP)
Define respect

>>24453081
That was funny, but the true cause of the benzo crashout was his whore daughter banging Andrew Tate

>>24453064
we make the stupid rich, stop making stupid people rich
>>24453068
his point still stands

>>24453098
just dont have kids, EZ.
>how do i prevent my child from being an evil shit head
by not having them to begin with

>>24451316 (OP)
You guys have been saying that for more than 5 years now and he's still selling out lecture tours and his book that came out a few months ago was still a bestseller.

Two more weeks?

Peterson never had a benzodiazepine addiction. He took a doctor prescribed medication at the within the limits of commonly prescribed dosages and developed a rare side effect (that wasn't added to the list of side effects until 2019).

Crazy you retards are still lying about this 7 years later, lol.

https://youtu.be/C_32icvWpIg

>>24453128
PIDF arrived on queue

>>24453075
Wow, judaism for whites vs. secular judaism... the cutting edge of culture

>>24453032
You don’t understand benzodiazepine dependence. Akathisia is horrible and I wouldn’t wish it on anyone.

>>24453132
What did I say that is untrue?

>1) Doctor prescribed
>2) Didn't abuse it
>3) Had a negative reaction
>4) Turned out to be a side effect that wasn't known at the time.
>5) It's been 7 years (since recovering he has been successful in multiple endeavors)

I'll bet you retards didn't know having to restrict your diet is part of the treatment for the side effect he experienced, lol.

>>24453138
what on earth are you talking about, bro?

>>24453139
It wasn't even dependence. He had a rare side effect wherein a normal dose caused neurological damage that continued even after he stopped taking it. The only treatment available for it was in Russia (the retards in the Canadian healthcare system tried to give him SSRIs lol).

>>24453141
Obviously I didn’t know that because I’m not on his payroll to shill for him like you are. It’s your job to know these things, not mine. Got that?

And you are lying anyways, he didn’t have some random allergic reaction, he was on the drug for years and abused it and sought treatment in Canada and in the USA and couldn’t kick it for months before flying to Russia because western doctors won’t knock a dude for 4 weeks with experimental medicine.

>>24453032
An addiction or something similar can happen to a lot of people, but what destroyed his credibility for me (and I was a big glazer) was taking absolutely zero responsibility for it. He sent his daughter out to make periodic announcements explaining how he took the proper prescribed dose, but had a "paradoxical reaction," and several darned undortunate anomalies later he was full blown addicted. I stopped paying attention to him but afaik he left it at "I did nothing wrong, I'm not like those other weak loser addicts, I just got unlucky repeatedly." Absolutely despicable. Correct me if he's changed his tune.

>>24453148
You guys are still stuck in the skinner box of Jewish paradigms. I know "atheism = secular Judaism" is the part that confuses you. Essentially modern atheism is an argument over whether Yahweh exists because the Biblical tradition has become synonymous with God, hence I'm saying it's Jewish.
Practically no one is willing or able to step out of this paradigm and are stuck arguing in circles. What on earth am *I* talking about? How the FUCK do you still find atheism debates interesting in 2025?

>>24453157
Absolute brainrot. kek

>>24453150
>And you are lying anyways
I'm not lying. You're trying to use the word "addiction" which carries specific connotations when the reality is he took a doctor prescribed medication within a normal dosage and experienced an extreme side effect. The more proper term, according to doctors, is physiological dependence (i.e. because he wasn't abusing the drug). The side effect he experienced was unknown at the time, it was only added to the list on 2019, and the "weird dietary" stuff is directly related to the side effect.

What am I lying about? You want to pretend physical dependence is the exact same thing as drug addiction? We'll, go ahead and prove that he was abusing the drug. You can't because you're a liar with nothing to go on.

>>24453152
He took a doctor prescribed medication and experienced a rare side effect that wasn't even listed until 2019. The video below is by a doctor who is an expert on benzodiazepines.

See: https://youtu.be/C_32icvWpIg

>>24453159
>first doesn't understand
>then can't articulate any opinion on it
Yeah, my case in point.

>>24453166
>randomly sperging nonsense
NTA but it's pretty clear to multiple people ITT that you're mentally unwell, anon.

>>24453075
I'm watching this and Peterson was actually doing quite well until the 34 minute mark where the young asks him if he believes in the definition of a God that is all knowing, all powerful, etc and Peterson starts having a meltdown about the definition of belief lol

>>24453166
I just think you're retarded lol

Crying is so beta male behavior.

>>24453162
>extreme side effect
Yeah, after abusing it for 18 months I would imagine there would be side effects. How come they didn’t manifest then? He spontaneously developed an allergic reaction? Kek I’m starting to think you are literally Peterson.

Just want to let you know what I think you’re doing is great. Now that your reputation is destroyed and the first thing people will see in your biography on Wikipedia is alt-right Nazi sympathizer and white supremacist- I guess it makes sense to sell out all the way and at least secure a good material future for your grandkids.

But I have bad news. When you die your whore daughter will get wrapped up in a crypto scam and it will disappear and your progeny will never see a red cent.

>>24453173
>do you believe in the Bible?
>the Bible is a hyperlinked library of wisdom across centuries. It’s not a book you simply “believe in.”
>so you don't take it literally?
>literalism is a modern distortion. Stories operate on multiple planes of reality.
>you're avoiding the question.
>i’m challenging its premises.
>are you saved?
>i think the idea of salvation is psychological, social, and metaphysical.
>so you're not saved?
>i'm working on aligning myself with the Logos.
>is that a yes?
>it's a process, not a status.
>do you believe in Heaven and Hell?
>we live them out psychologically. Every day.
>that’s not what the Bible says.
>well, the Bible isn’t a manual. It’s a narrative architecture of meaning.
>are you afraid of going to Hell?
>i’m more afraid of becoming the kind of person who belongs there.
>do you think atheists can be moral?
>hat depends what you mean by “moral,” and whether they're standing on borrowed ethical capital.
>borrowed from what?
>from Judeo-Christian metaphysics. From millennia of cultural evolution.
>so they’re moral, but for the wrong reasons?
>they’re moral, but they don’t know why.
>so you’re better than them?
>no, but I may be more aware of the foundations.
>so why not just say you're a Christian?
>because I’m not willing to trivialize that claim.
Fedoras mad.

>>24453188
It went literally like
>Do you believe in the definition of God as all knowing, all powerful, etc being
>What do you mean by belief
>Do you think it to be true
>UHM THAT'S CIRCULAR
absolute clown moment

>>24453172
If the first thing I said was confusing, it was due to your own ignorance, and I clearly explained my thought process.
>>24453183
I'm more knowledgeable about the subject than you and I'm prepared to back that up.
But you aren't interested because you're not intelligent enough, you're essentially a golem/NPC. So you can instead tell me what incredible new insights JBP vs. 20 redditors contributed to the Christianity vs. Atheism debate that you hadn't heard before.

>>24453193
I just think you're a schizo. If you genuinely believe that every atheist is a type of Jew then you're too far gone.
You're probably gonna kill yourself soon.

>>24453197
I didn't say atheists are Jewish, I said modern atheism is positioned within the Biblical tradition which delineates the boundaries of any conclusions it can draw to within the Jewish cultural tradition.
This is now making you so upset and confused, I have been called a schizophrenic, a retard, and suicidal. How does that response speak to a balanced mental state on your part in contrast with me? To me it seems more like you're mad and flailing around desperately.

>>24453186
>Yeah, after abusing it
He was prescribed the medication by a doctor and took it as prescribed. He wasn't abusing it and you're simply using loaded terminology in order to carry a false narrative.
>How come they didn’t manifest then?
Side effects aren't instantaneous, dingus. The side effect Peterson was experiencing wasn't known until 2019. It became noticable overtime and he himself thought his prescription could be contributing so he stopped taking the medication.
>He spontaneously developed an allergic reaction?
No, retard. The side effect he experienced causes neurological damage and this affects the immune system. The doctor in the video I posted mentions how some people he has treated had extreme histamine responses to bananas. Basically, once he stopped taking the drug the immune responses kicked into high gear but he couldn't risk going back on it due to the risks presented by akathisia.
>random sperg
Go ahead and point out where I'm lying? Here's that video of a doctor who specializes in treatments related to benzodiazepines explaining exactly what happened with Peterson again: https://youtu.be/C_32icvWpIg

Is he part of a conspiracy? Lol

>>24453191
People don't realise Peterson's "high verbal IQ word vomit retreat into semantics" is actually him trying to Mr. Miyagi you. He's teaching you the way he thinks rather than a direct answer to a question that isn't actually relevant to improving your life or reaching a collective truth. Showing the process rather than giving the answer.

>"what do you mean by 'believe'?"
>most people don't know what they even mean with the words they use, he won't "answer" because he wants to be genuinely precise with his speech to be in line with the Logos. he understands the importance of language and beleif deeper than most.


I think people take all these categorisations and semantics too literally. he's essetially saying; "it doesn't matter what you TELL yourself you believe, merely by existing and having a basic ethical code, you are unconsciously acting out Christian ethics and stories. God is the interplay between conscience and calling. The act of voluntary self sacrifice can be found in all religions, all the questions you ask as irrelevant to the actual POINT i'm trying to make, you're just trying to gotcha me for youtube clout because you're obsessed with discrediting my character from a preconceived bias woke mind virus."

it's also just temperament and levels of consciousness. like the Dawkins debate. if you don't get it, you just won't get it

>>24453203
Atheism applies to all the gods, not just the one in the bible. That was one of the arguments the atheists in that vid made pretty clearly.

You are low IQ.

>>24453203
I'm not that anon and I too think you're schizophrenic.

>>24453208
>He's teaching you the way he thinks
From what I'm seeing from this debate, the way he thinks consist of schizophrenic free word association. You could get a better version of that by reading modern poetry.

>>24453221
Plenty of people understand him perfectly well. Those that don't always seem to have some personal baggage relating to their resentment toward him.

It's definitely a you problem, anon.

>>24452216
>clinically depressed
makes sense

>>24451316 (OP)
*sighs*

what has Kermit done this time?

>>24453225
Uh, hey, uh, leave me out of this.

>>24453223
>immediately starts going into ad hominem
pathetic

I liked when he was the clean your room guy who criticized post modernism while trying to do his own pseudo post modernism, now that he is on the budget of daily wire and has to appease them he is soulless

>>24453075
No way in hell im going to watch this but why does he simp so hard for Christianity if he isn't Christian

>>24453203
Secularism has Christian origins. You're just saying it in a weird way.

>>24453221
>, the way he thinks consist of schizophrenic free word association
>>24453230
>ad hominem
Pathetic is right. Do better, anon.

>>24453209
They are just parroting a definition by rote because they know it's what they're supposed to say to make themselves sound unbiased towards Christianity. I mean the debate is Christianity vs. Atheism, that's what it always is, that or Islam.
And those targets have been knocked over so many thousands of times I'm just wondering what the hell you're all doing still trapped boring discussion unless maybe you're 16 or something and have been learning about it for a month.

My greater point is that unless you reject the Bible completely all the way down to its origins, your grandchildren are going to be debating these same talking points, going nowhere, because no one is stepping outside the box.
You don't need to argue the existence of God, retard-anon. If you want to change culture you need to argue the legitimacy of the Bible.

>>24453244
>no, these people don't know what they're saying
>I'm the real authority on their beliefs
ok schizo

>>24453075
He's not even a christian. WTF?

>>24453242
that's not an ad hominem, you absolute ape (this is also an insult, not an ad hominem, you fucking retard)

>>24453252
>REEEEEEEEEE
Pointing out plenty of people have no problem understanding him while those that don't always seem to have personal baggage relating to their resentment toward him is just a fact, anon. Cry all you want but the fact it's a (You) problem is clear to any honest person. Now, do you want to stop the seethe or do you want to keep raging about your betters like the peevish little pseud faggot we both know you are? Lol.

>>24453259
you're the only seething here anon

>>24453244
i havent heard this argument but you make some interesting points about the entire debate operating within a chosen boundary

>>24453188
So what's wrong with his argument?

>>24453262
>peevish little pseud faggot projects his seethe
Lol, k.

>>24453271
>peevish little pseud faggot projects his seethe
that's a perfect description of yourself, thanks

>>24453270
It disorients people who want to parrot the basic arguments they've internalized and when they can't attach a label to him they get mad. They start telling on themselves by admitting they're filtered and from there one of two things happen: they seek comfort from the mob under the illusion he wasn't making sense or they do an inventory of their beliefs and thereby learn. For the vast majority of people it's the former; Peterson is great at short-circuiting ideologues.

>>24453275
>N-no you
Lol, k.

>>24453173
>doing quite well until the 34 minute mark
In the sense that he didn't yet get called out on his obvious lies and he was able to worm out of it, sure.

>>24451316 (OP)
“People” respect juden pederstein? Been a laughingstock for decades.

>>24453293
How many worldwide bestselling books have you written in that time, anon? Been on any international lecture tours lately? Lol

>>24453299
Can’t find the right smuggy, this one is close enough.

>>24453270
He doesn’t make arguments, he slithers out of any conversation.

>>24453324
Oh, so the answer is that you're written 0 worldwide bestselling books and haven't been on any sold out international lecture tours? That's what I figured. So who's the laughingstock, the guy who accomplished the above or the loser seething about his betters online? Lol

>>24453358
> who's the laughingstock
The kike shill with fake accomplishments from the regime and the keyboard warrior making cents to defend that jew cum guzzler. I can make a 5 second tweet and ration peterstein while looking at his daughters tits.

>>24453368
>I can impotently post lies on twitter
>[i.e. edgelord nonsense trying to feel powerful]
Oh, so you're resentful and delusional. Very sad, anon. Good luck finding something original to say because you don't seem like the creative type. Pretty dumb on top of that too.

>>24453208
I think youre reading what you want him to say a little too much and that your whole line of reasoning there is a bit too wishy washy, but I get what you mean and I think theres some truth to that being a reason for how he answers.
However it is very noticeable that he doesnt believe in christianity and just thinks its useful when it comes to being your best self (thats dumbed down but you get me). He also has a lot of respect for it and how it shaped western society and how it influences people even when most people in the west dont actually believe the way they used to.
This sets him up to sound very weird and evasive when it comes to christianity, its not exactly the first time it happens either.

>>24451316 (OP)
I stopped caring about anything he said around 4 or 5 years ago. All's he does is word salad about how incomprehensible everything is.

>>24453424
>word salad
>filtered

>>24453444
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZZDmxCBUQo

This is every single thing he talks about in every discussion ever.

>>24451316 (OP)
Respect for what? blabbering on there... The discord server tomorrow night 8 o clock here's the link. -J.J.J

>>24453456
J Jonah Jameson?

>>24451316 (OP)
a madman drowns where a philosopher swims.

>>24453450
>unfamiliar with the literature
>i not understand therefor world salad

>>24451529
He's living rent free in the minds of fedoras

>>24451332
theres so many fuckin niggers in the world bro

>>24452646
this dude has been such a lil bitch everytime ive seen him argue against anything other than a straw man

>>24453484
>we're already at greentext coping instead of arguing

Sad!

>>24451316 (OP)
His daughter has nice boobs.

>>24453581
Her voice and face are aggravating.

>>24453588
Gag + paper bag. Probably want Tate and his boys were doing while they gangbanged and prostituted her.

>>24453450
Easy to understand at 2x speed even after whoever made the video cutt out the question he's addressing.

>>24453075
That Zizek debate really shook him up eh?

>>24451316 (OP)
He would've looked MUCH better in that debate if he just fucking explained his value-hierarchy idea. He was speaking as if the kids already knew this idea, but they didn't, and so they were confused trying to speak to him and he looked like a schizo blabbering on about God. Whenever he says God is the "definition" of meaning, every single one of them glossed over what he meant; they continued thinking he means that God is "justification" for meaning.

To be fair, his ideas are pretty schizo and convoluted, but my god it was painful to watch. Also, his refusal to answer the very basic moral dilemmas that that one kid gave him was odd. Made him look like a weirdo.

Used to follow Jordan Peterson.
I read his "Maps of Meaning" book, and I thought it was interesting. Maybe more so as a character study of an interesting personality than a useful work of psychology or philosophy, but I got some entertainment out of it.
Lost interest in him shortly after he became mainstream, as it seemed like he lost sight of his own arguments in Maps of Meaning in favor of pandering to the right wing talking heads who were giving him attention.

I watched the "Jordan Peterson vs. 20 Atheists" thing last night.
I don't know why I bothered. It became lolcow tier shit quickly, and I don't particularly derive joy from that.
But there were some interesting notable moments.

At around the 34 minute mark he absolutely refuses to say he would ever lie to protect jews in Nazi Germany, and essentially says he'd consider himself to have "catastrophically failed" somewhere along the line if he were ever in a position where he'd have to lie to protect jews.
If you follow his reasoning per Maps of Meaning the idea he seems to be referencing is his argument that if people commit themselves to what they individually believe to be true, to their conscience, not going along with what is told to them, a totalitarian state like Nazi Germany cannot occur. So, by Maps of Meaning, he would consider himself to have failed to have committed to truth and his conscience if he ever found himself in a situation where he would have to lie to protect jews.
You can interpret this as a noble thing, as if he's committed to his "truth", but it's also really funny if you just take it at face value outside of the context of his arguments.
Without context, it's comedically bald-faced anti-semitism "I would NEVER lie to protect jews, and if I somehow found myself in a position to do so, it would be a catastrophic failure of my conscience!"

The other funny point: He's definitely not a christian. Not by any definition found within christianity, or by any definition other christians would use. He refuses to call himself or allow himself to be defined as a christian at several points in the debate.
He gets called out on this by a twink and humiliates himself by ragequitting the conversation. This apparently led to the title of the video being changed from "1 Christian vs. 20 Atheists (ft. Jordan Peterson)" to "Jordan Peterson vs. 20 Atheists"
And yet he's very insistent on calling westerners christians.
For a moment this struck me as some kind of Nietzschean power move; where it's obvious to himself that he's not a christian, but he pretends to be and is attempting to hypnotize everyone else into believing they "really are a christian deep down". As if he's trying to enslave the masses under his brand of "christianity", setting himself up as its high priest, while being free himself to be whatever he wants.

The problem of course is that anyone with half a brain cell will be able to call him out on this.

>>24453358
Stephen King has written more bestsellers than Peterson and he's a shitlib. Why aren't you a shitlib?

can a peterson fan translate picrel for me? what is this old frog ranting about?

>>24453807
>You can interpret this as a noble thing, as if he's committed to his "truth"
peterson calvin ad when?

>>24453897
>non sequitur
People don't go around pretending Stephen King's career ended because of something that happened a decade ago, retard. On top of that, unlike Peterson, King was an actual drug addict.

Try again, dummy.

>>24451316 (OP)
what happeneded

>>24453904
>people continue having fun, which is bad: they really really like the state of being horny, which they shouldn't. It's like the ancient ecstatic rites and dances where people got drunk and fucked are making a comeback [Greeks bad btw, we're all Judeo-Christians here]. People also make up new words, which is stupid.

>>24453916
Fedora tippers took a massive L on Jubilee, they were too dumb to realize it at first but it's starting to sink in, and they're trying to cope. It's almost impossible for a fedora to come to terms with the fact their intelligence LARP floundered because the shortcut they bought into was actually a road to nowhere.

>>24453910
The argument is that peterson is credible because of his publication record. A counterexample is not a non sequitur. Take whatever excuse you want to ignore me though.

Also Peterson went to Russia and had himself put into a medically induced coma in which he nearly died several times to overcome addiction to anti-anxiety meds because he lacked the strength of character to do it himself, a feat which hundreds of people (with no publication history) manage daily. If that doesn't qualify as a real drug addiction to you you're either hopelessly coping or a degenerate. Drug addiction is irrelevant to the point of course, but the fact that you insisted apropos of nothing upon making such a daft defense of him suggests to me that you're just touchy about any criticism of your parasocial dad. You should grow out of that by 25, with any luck.

>>24453904
Looks like he's writing an intro that frames an article trying to glamorize faggots getting high and being ass-blasted by strangers in the negative. It's pretty hard to touch on all the concepts he does using simpler language but the basic idea is retards are trying to dress up poppers + gay sex as representative of some higher value, lol.

>>24453165
He's clearly lying to save his career and avoid taking responsibility.
>I did poorly with Sam Harris because I had an anomalous reaction to cider and didn't sleep at all for almost a month (impossible)
>I'm the only guy ever to have this super crazy reaction to the benzos, I'm not like every other addict ever
Even taking benzos at all for a psychologist whose entire ethos is telling young men to take responsibility is ridiculous. "I only took the prescribed dose!" rather than, you know, actually confronting your anxiety. The guy is clearly fraudulent. If his dependence actually was different and some rare neurological reaction, why would the coma method work at all? It's ultimately the same weening procedure others have to traditionally undergo, a painless version of quitting cold turkey. He forces himself to stop taking them and now all of a sudden the nerve damage has disappeared?

>>24453933
>The argument is that peterson is credible because of his publication record
No, the argument was that an anon was trying to pretend something that happened in 2018 ended Peterson's career. The reality is he has experienced continued success in the years since
>addiction to anti-anxiety meds
This is untrue. Peterson took a doctor prescribed medication within the recommended dose. You use the term "addiction" because of the connotations it carries and based upon this try to put forth a false narrative.

What really happened is Peterson experienced an extreme reaction to a doctor prescribed medication. It's important to note that this side effect wasn't listed until a year after Peterson went through his experience. Because of this doctor's misdiagnosed his symptoms while Peterson decided the medication he was on could be a contributing factor. He stopped taking the drug but due to a physical dependency, I know this is you're only point and you'll split hairs but this is not the same thing as an "addiction" (i.e. there was no abuse of the drug), he began experiencing akathisia. He could not go back on the drug for this reason and his immune system had been damaged (i.e. he began having extreme physical reactions to simple foods).

Here is a video of a doctor who is an expert on benzodiazepines explaining exactly what happened to Peterson: https://youtu.be/C_32icvWpIg

Now, do you want to admit Peterson just brings out your personal resentment toward whatever it is you think he represents or do you want to continue to live in a fantasy land when you make shit up about something that happened over 7 years ago? Lol

>>24453939
>He's clearly lying to save his career
He's not and that video explains what happened very clearly. Also, it was over 7 years ago now. You don't have anything better to come out with in all that time? Lol.

>>24453939
>didn't sleep at all for almost a month (impossible)
I’m not nitpicking because I understand your skepticism. But you would be surprised how long the body can last without sleep, especially considering one night of not sleeping will fuck you up. I remember watching someone narrate a story on an extreme reaction to Ciprofloxacin where the guy became a perma-insomniac and began to sleep less and less until he couldn’t sleep at all. This lasted for nine months until he finally died.

>>24453964
Also, saying "I didn't sleep at all" can also mean you slept very poorly. They're grasping at straws because their bullshit about him being a drug addict is so obviously untrue and easy to disprove.

>>24452216
Haha, so he was always a raging autist, good to know.

>>24453963
>You don't have anything better to come out with in all that time?
I stopped following him after seeing him for who he was. I've occassionally been made aware of the habitual Twitter melties he has which are legit par for the course of someone with the unstable emotional regulation associated with addiction.
>>24453964
I'm aware the body is surprisingly resilient without sleep but unless you're dying of permanent insomnia a sleepless month is impossible. So then people claim >>24453971 but he reiterates repeatedly that he did not sleep at all. He doesn't say he slept poorly, he emphatically says he didn't sleep at all.
>They're grasping at straws because their bullshit about him being a drug addict is so obviously untrue
Lmao. He literally was addicted to benzos. If you're going to flat out deny reality you're in good company with other Peterson fans.

>>24452216
There is no "Room 101" in the building in which Peterson taught his classes. Also, Peterson doesn't use notes and just used to drink a single Coke Zero during his lecture (which he would throw into the bin directly beside the podium when done).

>>24453983
>doctor prescribed medication
>no evidence of abuse
>"addiction" is a loaded term
>(you need loaded terms because the facts are against your narrative)
>the reality is Peterson experience an extreme side effect from a doctor prescribed medication
>said side effect wasn't even listed until 2019
>Peterson experienced neurological damage due to said side effect
>halting the drug caused the side effect to worsen but he couldn't go back on it due to akathisia
>the side effect causes complex neuroimmunological symptoms meaning physical responses to foods he used to commonly consume
>the Canadian healthcare system misdiagnosed him and tried to give him SSRIs
>Peterson researched other treatments
>Eastern Europe had the best program of treatment relating to his illness
>he traveled there, underwent treatment, and was cured
https://youtu.be/C_32icvWpIg

>>24453987
>source: Jordan Peterson
This "doctor's" entire business model is fear mongering over pharmaceuticals if you look at the channel. Just as you have an emotional attachment to Peterson and are thus willing to bend logic to fit your conclusion, he's willing to do the same since he has a monetary interest in it.

>>24453937
must really drive him mad that people can use drugs occasionally and continue to function without having to go through soviet knockout therapy

>>24454002
>This "doctor's"
He's a doctor who specializes in treating effects caused by psychiatric medication, anon. Again, instead of arguing based on facts you have to use loaded terms to carry a false narrative.
>entire business model is fear mongering over pharmaceuticals
Let's just leave aside the fact you're lying again: you're taking the side of Big Pharma? Lol. Again, the guy's professional career is based around treating people affected by psychiatric medications.
>attachment to Peterson
The fact you're lying about a media figure, concerning something that happened over 7 years ago, and refusing to address clear facts that have been brought up multiple times ITT as well as summarized leads me to retort with a simple "no you".

So, can you actually address any of the facts that were listed here >>24453987? No? Ok, you're an idiot. Lol.

>>24451337
No that's simply wrong. We need to be exposed to all kinds of "thinkers" even if hate them. Ecochambers are good for nobody.

>>24454013
This. A belief system is like a muscle, if you don't exercise it, it atrophies

>>24454011
The reason he was so public about his experience is he thought it would help others who experienced extreme medication side effects. In the long run it didn't hurt his career because the only people still pretending it was a career ending downward spiral into drug addiction are obviously delusional and the type of people you don't want around; best they expose themselves as resentful morons they are.

>>24454017
that's fine and good for those he helped, but why be so ass-mad at people who like to get high from time to time? Sounds like something a resentful moron would do, actually.

>>24454023
Who said anything about being mad at drug addicts, anon? Aside, Peterson's research work involved addiction and addiction treatment.

>>24454028
>Who said anything about being mad at drug addicts
that tweet is very resentful of people who get high and have sex. To add to that, it's supremely ironic for him to call out "pseudo-intellectual jargon" at such an obvious and simple coinage as "chemsex", while he loves to answer simple questions with rambles and tangents into some Jungian-Campbellian infinity; and to rail against "polytheistic paganism" when he seems to take psychedelics-enhanced shamanism just a tad bit too seriously.

>>24453987
The source for all this information is him and his family. Have you personally seen his medical records? What cured his supposed neurological damage if halting the drug causes it to worsen? The coma was just to get him to stop taking the drug, in which case we should expect the nerve damage to worsen or maintain its effect. Crazy how it doesn't affect him anymore. Why was he taking benzos for an emotional dilemma in the first place, is that not contradictory to his entire ethos? When you write out that long explanation of anomalies is it not reminiscent of any other addict trying to avoid taking responsibility? Many are asking these questions.

>>24454037
Meant for >>24454012

>>24453204
>akathisia
I had this as a result of some anti-emetics I was given. Was hell.

>>24454034
>that tweet is very resentful of people who get high and have sex
Resentful isn't the correct word, anon. If you want to go to a club and take poppers so it's easier for a stranger to fuck your ass go ahead. Gross, but go ahead. Just don't glorify it as a highbrow expression of "chemsex" freedom, lol.

>>24454037
>The source for all this information is him and his family
So? Do you have an alternative source that proves it was drug abuse? Because the fact he experience lines up so well with a side effect that wasn't even known at the time it occured lends a lot more weight to >>24454037 than "Jordan Peterson is a drug addict because I don't like him."

>>24454037
>The coma was just to get him to stop taking the drug
No it wasn't, dumbass.

>>24454045
Good thing you got through it. That shit is terrifying.

>>24454054
Yes it literally was. Keep coping.

>Jordan Peterson is a drug addict because I don't like him
He was objectively dependent on the drugs, began using them for psychological reasons, increased his dose for psychological reasons - this we know. Then comes the claims of medical anomalies and a perfectly unfortunate series of events that are highly convenient for a self-help guru attempting to save his career and hand-wave away addiction. Show me any other case similar to his.

>>24453235
>>24453248
I'm not sure but I think he doesn't like the label because he thinks people will automatically invalidate whatever he says based off it, which makes sense but that's still just silly. If you're not Christian then why are you in that video? Jubilee even had to change the title, what a shitshow.

>>24454047
if that's all he means, why connect it to some truly pseudointellectual cultural critique? "emergent polytheistic paganism", lmao.

>>24454067
>Yes it literally was
No it wasn't you absolute retard. You're making it seem like Peterson went into a coma because he couldn't help himself from abusing a drug. The reality is he had already stopped taking it and the withdrawal symptoms he was experiencing were life threatening.
>objectively dependent on the drugs
So you admit that he wasn't a substance abusing addict now? Good thing you finally walked that bullshit back.
>using them for psychological reasons
Getting a prescription for a medication from a doctor isn't the same thing as buying heroin or meth off the street, anon. He fit the profile for the drug and a doctor gave it to him. Unfortunately for him he experienced a rare side effect that was unknown at the time.
>claims of medical anomalies and a perfectly unfortunate series of events that are highly convenient
Anon, you're just handwaving as if everything you've been told is a conspiracy. The fact is Peterson experienced a side effect in 2017/18 that became part of the warning label in 2019. There's no evidence he abused the drug and he sought out proper treatment and was cured.

You have no argument other than "I don't like Peterson so I'm going to hold on to the idea he was a drug addict and repeat it 7 years later." Pathetic, lol.

>>24454071
>pseudointellectual cultural critique
You don't think normalizing dangerous sexual behaviours deserves to be part of a cultural critique, anon? Remember when Monkey Pox was a thing and they went out of their way not to cancel Pride events? Lol

>>24453085
This is also true of alcoholism btw

>>24454081
>The reality is he had already stopped taking it and the withdrawal symptoms he was experiencing were life threatening.
He went into the coma because otherwise he would have relapsed and taken the drug again to stave off the symptoms. You said earlier halting the drug made the symptoms worse. In other words, the coma was to end his dependence on the drug. Crazy you never explained what happened to his supposed nerve damage.
>So you admit that he wasn't a substance abusing addict now?
I'm building the case that we can safely extrapolate that he was in fact a drug addict and disregard his lies and excuses. You're being utterly dishonest repeatedly, which is a requisite of believing a falsity.
>Getting a prescription for a medication from a doctor isn't the same thing as buying heroin or meth off the street, anon.
Is he not using them for the same reason street addicts use them? Was he not consuming an amount similar to them?
>Unfortunately for him he experienced a rare side effect that was unknown at the time.
What is your source for that?
>The fact is Peterson experienced a side effect in 2017/18
What is your source for that? Why didn't you identify any cases similar to his?
>You have no argument other than "I don't like Peterson so I'm going to hold on to the idea he was a drug addict
You just keep ignoring my arguments. He speaks like a politician in the Jubilee video and you swallow his explanations like an unflinching partisan. Taking his word for everything in this scenario with no more inside knowledge than anyone else rather than exercising any skepticism whatsoever is embarrassing.

>>24451316 (OP)
He BTFO'd the anti-natalist faggots

>>24451332
This is so fucking true. I can’t wait until we live in a world where people pretend alt-media personalities who in reality are closer to clowns than serious people are competent and dignified intellectuals and policy analysts. Until Kick streamers are treated like actors in Rome, we can’t be a proper society.

>>24454108
>He went into the coma because otherwise he would have relapsed and taken the drug again to stave off the symptoms
You're just making shit up. He couldn't simply go back to taking the medication because he experienced a neurological side effect that was wrecking havoc on his immune system, retard.
>You said earlier halting the drug made the symptoms worse
Yes. He began experiencing akathisia.
>Crazy you never explained what happened to his supposed nerve damage
I did explain, dummy. It's the reason he has severe reactions to certain foods and exists on a restricted diet now. If you had of watched the video instead of clicking on the guys channel trying to come up with a bullshit reason you could dismiss the facts he presented you would have seen that part.
>I'm building the case that we can safely extrapolate that he was in fact a drug addict
Lol, no you're not. Your entire argument is "I don't like Jordan Peterson so I'm going to pretend something that happened 7 years ago is still relevant AND make shit up instead of responding to facts that prove me wrong". The fact is he took a doctor prescribed medication, experienced a severe side effect (that wasn't on the warning label until a year later), sought treatment, and successfully recovered. Simple as.
>Is he not using them for the same reason street addicts use them
That's seriously your grasp at an argument here? Holy shit you're a dumb one. Self-medicating with street drugs isn't the same thing as taking a doctor prescribed medication as directed by said doctor.
>SOURCE
It's mentioned that video which was created by a medical doctor who specializes in treating people who have negative reactions to psychiatric medications (especially benzodiazepines). If that isn't good enough for you go ahead and Google it.
>SOURCE (again)
It's in the video.
>You just keep ignoring my arguments
You're not making any, retard. Your entire position is using loaded terms to support a false narrative you can't back up with any facts. You've been called out on this and instead of addressing it you walked back some of your claims.

You're an idiot.

>>24451316 (OP)
He's helping make atheism cool again lmao
The tradfags have been outed ideologically bankrupt grifters who are only in it to be contrarian pseudointellectuals and sexless freaks who think going to church will get them a virgin tradwife.

>>24454164
>You're just making shit up. He couldn't simply go back to taking the medication because he experienced a neurological side effect that was wrecking havoc on his immune system, retard.
His daughter literally said he was put in the coma for benzo detox you charlatan.
>I did explain, dummy. It's the reason he has severe reactions to certain foods and exists on a restricted diet now.
No you literally didn't. How fast do you think nerve damage heals? Since when do dietary restrictions heal nerve damage? He was already on his retard meat diet before his addiction, suggesting you're grasping at straws to explain away contradictions in your mental gymnastics.
>The fact is he took a doctor prescribed medication, experienced a severe side effect
His side effect was more anxiety which is also a side effect of plain dependence. Show me any other case in which a guy takes his prescribed benzo dose and experiences a series of side effects and rare reactions that land him in full on physical dependence.
>Self-medicating with street drugs isn't the same thing as taking a doctor prescribed medication as directed by said doctor.
The point is they both use them to escape anxiety. Do you disagree?
>It's mentioned that video which was created by a medical doctor
His source? Jordan Peterson.
>You've been called out on this and instead of addressing it you walked back some of your claims.
I've walked back nothing while you keep ignoring legitimate lines of inquiry. It's pathetic how you have absolutely zero skepticism for his narrative in a case where he has a ton to lose.

>>24454235
>he was put in the coma
I'm not denying that, retard. Again, you were trying to make it seem like he couldn't control himself and needed to be out into a coma to stop abusing drugs. The reality is he was experiencing akathisia and the point of the coma was to negate this. You also tried to make shit up about him going back on the drug and have now dropped that point when it was shown you were lying and had no clue what you were talking about.
>No you literally didn't
Anon, there was no reason for me to randomly go into detail about the long term effects of his neurological injury. The fact is the damage to his immune system is related to his current dietary restrictions and his comment about being fucked up by Apple Cider Vinegar (the doctor in the video I posted references this).
>His side effect was more anxiety which is also a side effect of plain dependence
This doesn't even make sense, retard.
>Show me any other case
I gave you a video from a medical expert who specializes in withdrawal from psychopharmaceuticals. The symptoms Peterson experienced are listed as side effects for the medication he took. You think they list side effects that don't exist? Fuck you're stupid, lol.
>The point is they both use them to escape anxiety
The point is conflating taking a doctor prescribed medication with being addicted to street drugs is a false equivalency only a retard would come up with. Is someone addicted to heart medication? Dumbass.
>SOURCE?!
What sources do you have, anon? It's been shown the narrative you present is based on nothing but loaded language and conjectures shown to be false. Dummy.
>I've walked back nothing
You acknowledged the difference between drug addiction and drug dependency. The only reason you dance around that point instead of saying it outright is because it was called out several posts ago and you know you'll get BTFO in a direct conversation.
>absolutely zero skepticism
You're skepticism is believing nonsense you read on 4chan because it happens to be about a guy you dislike. My skepticism involves building a knowledge of medication withdrawal and treatments of such. We are not the same. You're an idiot repeating nonsense, crying for SOURCE like a retarded Redditor when you've offered nothing, and I'm backing up a case that isn't based on my feefees.

You're an idiot.

>>24454252
>I'm not denying that, retard. Again, you were trying to make it seem like he couldn't control himself and needed to be out into a coma to stop abusing drugs. The reality is he was experiencing akathisia and the point of the coma was to negate this. You also tried to make shit up about him going back on the drug and have now dropped that point when it was shown you were lying and had no clue what you were talking about.
The point is that addicts relapse during detox because they can't handle the symptoms. The coma was induced so he could detox, aka quit for good. Akathisia is literally just more anxiety symptoms that can supposedly be a drug side effect but can also be purely psychosomatic and spawn from complex emotions. You're using the term as if it's cerebral palsy because neither you nor him want to allow for an aspect of psychological dependence which applies to every other addict ever except your favorite grifter.
>Anon, there was no reason for me to randomly go into detail about the long term effects of his neurological injury.
So you were caught lying, got it.
>The fact is the damage to his immune system is related to his current dietary restrictions and his comment about being fucked up by Apple Cider Vinegar (the doctor in the video I posted references this).
Again, his meat diet started before his addiction you mongoloid.
>I gave you a video from a medical expert who specializes in withdrawal from psychopharmaceuticals. The symptoms Peterson experienced are listed as side effects for the medication he took. You think they list side effects that don't exist? Fuck you're stupid, lol.
Akathisia when pharmacologically induced primarily comes antipsychotics. What him and you are doing is akin to someone who organizes a lot claiming they have OCD. It's vague and indistinguishable from high anxiety which can be attributed to regular addiction.
>The point is conflating taking a doctor prescribed medication with being addicted to street drugs is a false equivalency only a retard would come up with. Is someone addicted to heart medication?
Lol. You're conflating an actual medical condition with a mood disorder. He's a psychologist that preaches responsibility but couldn't confront his own anxiety and you're coping.
The source angle is to highlight that you're gobbling up his narrative with zero way to confirm any details yourself in a highly political situation. You're free to, but it's totally pathetic.

>>24454322
>The point is that addicts relapse during detox because they can't handle the symptoms
No, retard. The point is he was experiencing severe withdrawal symptoms. It had nothing to do with the risk of him relapsing because he wasn't a drug addict. He wasn't chasing a sense of euphoria like a heroin addict. He was prescribed a medication, took it as directed, experienced a severe side effect, sought treatment, and was cured.
>Akathisia is literally just more anxiety symptoms
I see you're starting to Google shit. It's not just anxiety based, retard.
>You're using the term as if it's cerebral palsy
Where did I compare it to that you absolute retard? Sure, akathisia can be an extreme symptom causing people to shake all over but I never said anything about that. However, since you brought it up it's also a common symptom of Parkinson's Disease.
>because neither you nor him want to allow for an aspect of psychological dependence
You haven't made a case for psychological dependency! You have no evidence that he abused the drug! Your entire argument is "I don't like Jordan Peterson so I'm going to say he's a drug addict over and over for 7 years and when someone points out I'm a retard I'll ignore whatever evidence they have".
>So you were caught lying
No I wasn't dumbass but you sure we're multiple times. There was no need for me to go into great detail regarding the long term effects of the neurological damage he sustained. "Durrr, curious you haven't..." was a retarded point so I told you I did in fact reference long term effects by bringing up his altered diet. Fuck you're a disingenuous faggot.
>his meat diet started before his addiction
He was never addicted to the drug, retard. Also, the side effect symptoms began before he stopped taking the drug. Currently, his restricted diet is due to the fact his immune system was fucked up.

Funny you think you're making some case here and think you can just ignore my point that Peterson's exact experience in 2018 wasn't even listed as a side effect until 2019.
>Akathisia when pharmacologically induced
Nice Googling, brainlet. It can also be caused by benzodiazepine cessation.
>You're conflating an actual medical condition with a mood disorder.
You're conflating taking a doctor prescribed mediation with doing street drugs, retard.

Again, you're a moron.

>>24454322
P.S.:
>zero way to confirm any details yourself
You can confirm the details by looking up the effects of benzodiazepine withdrawal, retard. Meanwhile, your bullshit is (again) based on using loaded language in service of a false narrative motivated by the resentment you foster toward the person in question 7 years after the event occured.

>>24451316 (OP)
Honestly aside from a couple instances he was dunking on those kids. They refused to engage with the deeper implications of certain concepts and just fell back on “sky daddy isn’t nice to me so I’m gonna say I don’t believe.” There were like three in a row completely unable to engage with the concept of belief as anything other than something that is personally observed and self verified for example.
Peterson completely fucked up on the question of evil in the Old Testament though.

>>24454356
>It can also be caused by benzo cessation
That's just normal withdrawal fucktard. He's saying he got anxious when stopping the drugs which is expected. I never said you directly compared it to cerebral palsy, are you genuinely retarded? I mean you're wielding the term as if it's a legitimate medical condition like AIDs and portraying him as an unfortunate anomoly with zero freewill subject to a disaster of rarities that dindu nuffin. He was apparently the only guy in the history of crippling benzo dependence to have no psychological motivation for his usage. You've said that stopping the drugs caused akathisia and but also that going back on it risks akathisia so idk if you even know what point you're trying to make. Most people just ween off the drug; him instead going comatose implies a lack of fortitude or more likely that he's lying about the reason for the treatment.
Answer this: what was he prescribed the drugs for in the first place? If it's for anxiety, does that not contradict a core message he preaches to people about facing the dragon and all that shit? Addicts don't take it to attain euphoria, they do it because there's anxiety they can't face - the same reason Peterson was. Your lack of real insight is telling.
Also go ahead and explain the neurological damage he sustained that's curable by avoiding fruit. His restriction diet is not proof of him having supposed nerve damage from a drug especially since he was on one before - and you're trying to now claim that well he must've had nerve damage back then too because you're disingenuous.
In sum, all the evidence points to him being a drug addict and instead of taking responsibility for it and growing from it he's burying all acknowledgment and counting on his glazers to defende him. I actually was a fan of his before all this and haven't thought of him in like a year, you seem to have a weird affinity for him for whatever reason.

>>24454450
Jordan Peterson took a doctor prescribed medication. There is no evidence he was abusing it or taking it in a higher dosage than directed by his physician. He experienced a severe side effect from said medication culminating in his seeking treatment in 2018. This side effect and symptoms related to it were not listed on the medication until 2019--after Peterson had gone public about his symptoms.

In a nutshell, Jordan Peterson sustained a neurological injury from his medication. This affected his immune system and his body began reacting to random foods he normally had no problem consuming. For example, people who experience the same side effect will have histamine responses to food and drink they were not allergic to in the past. Basically, their body has seemingly random immunological responses that vary in severity and degree. On top of this there are also adverse to the regulation of the parasympathetic nervous system. As far as the later is concerned psychological symptoms arise (e.g. a sense of dread/terror, lack of impulse control, sleep regulation, appetite regulation, etc).

When Peterson stopped taking his medication due to the above he experienced severe withdrawal symptoms. This is not due to an "addiction" but rather a physical dependency that commonly arises from wide range of medications. Akathisia is one of the worst of such symptoms as it creates an insatiable sense of restlessness. This is not simple anxiety although anxiety may arise due to akathisia which is itself a motor disorder. The reason this symptom is labelled "subjective" is because it is qualitative and patient reported. The pain one has during a migraine or a cluster headache is also "subjective"--this doesn't mean the pain doesn't exist.

Peterson sought treatment in Canada but was given a poor diagnosis and thereby sought treatment at a specialized facility that developed an experimental treatment regimen specific to the symptoms he was experiencing. He was put into a comatose state so as to negate extreme withdrawal symptoms and to avoid further neurological damage. The treatment was a success and in the years since he has continued with him life and found success in multiple endeavors.

People who want to attack Peterson try to label him as a drug addict. In so doing, they wish to bring in the connotations associated with addiction as a way to defame him. In realty, Peterson had developed a physical dependency on medication as many people do--he was successfully treated for this. No loaded language is needed to describe what actually happened; an appeal to the facts at hand alongside information relating to such experiences themselves suffice.

Here's a medical doctor who specializes in the treatment of medication withdrawal explaining exactly what Peterson went through:

https://youtu.be/C_32icvWpIg

>>24453807
In all fairness, that little shit was clearly there just to get his rage bait clip and not have any kind of conversation in good faith anyway. I wouldn’t talk to the little rat any longer than I had to either.

>>24454471
He was on Piers Morgan the other day. Even though he's married to a woman (wouldn't be surprised if his wife is actually a trannie) he said he's bisexual. One of the other people on the panel called him a "gaythiest" and he had a fit.

>>24453233
I know all the critiques on our academic institutions and agree with many of them, but I seriously think he fell off ever since he left the universities and started to be exclusively an internet celebrity. When you isolate yourself from dissent by establishing your own platform, you tend to start spiralling in your (dis)illusions because there's no one to keep you grounded any longer (be it an aligned or an opposing party). A lot of 'right wing influencers' seem to be experiencing this same quality loss whenever they left the universities/media that they got famous on in the first place.

>>24454013
don't expose yourself for stuff that you don't like, even ideas are like orange, and apples, some prefer apple and some prefer orange and both doesn't have to be wrong

>>24454461
That's all well and good but how about instead of writing five paragraphs about a casual slur respond instead to the criticisms of his philosophy and major character flaws

>>24454509
You don't criticise his ideas, anon. You criticise him, falsely I might add, and confuse this as something other than disingenuousness. On top of that your attempts at debate were objectively mid and largely consisted of logical fallacy and idiotic comparisons (taking a doctor prescribed medication is the same as coping H on a street corner? lol).

Pearls before swine, retard. Come back when you're at least halfway to my level.

>>24453986
>There is no "Room 101" in the building
they obviously framed that as an explanatory example, dumbfuck. if you had an education, you'd know most buildings on uni campuses don't have a Room 101

>>24454524
>On top of that your attempts at debate were objectively mid and largely consisted of logical fallacy and idiotic comparisons
Nigger I'm not even the guy you've been speaking to. How dense are you?

>Pearls before swine, retard. Come back when you're at least halfway to my level.
Being an arrogant egotistical dick sucker is a hallmark of a Peterson fan and is one of the many reasons the man is hated. (You) are part of the problem as to why your hero is not respected. Good job spastic

>>24454539
It's obvious he's making shit up, retard. Classes at UofT start 10 minutes after the hour and there's no Rm. 101 at Sydney Smith.
>most buildings on uni campuses don't have a Room 101
Lol, what? Holy shit you're retarded. What piece of shit university did you go to? Lol

>>24454550
>Nigger I'm not even the guy you've been speaking
Don't care. Didn't read the rest. Fuck off.

>>24454565
An idiot and a coward. Fitting

>>24454570
>coward
Lol, go fuck yourself you complete and total loser.

>>24454578
Or what? What you gonna do about, big man?

>>24454436
>Honestly aside from a couple instances he was dunking on those kids.
Are you trolling? He was disingenuous the entire time. He redefined God and worship just so he can have a leg to stand on. Whenever he was pushed on his idiotic definitions he broke down, like when he refused to answer that hypothetical with saving people's lives by lying.

>>24454501
Being exposed to ideas is not the same as accepting them. You can't criticise well someone else's opinions without being exposed to their beliefs and how they arrived to those beliefs. It also keeps in check your own beliefs that are being called in question by the other side.

>>24454471
No, it's completely fair to press him on his refusal to identify as a christian on the panel which introduced him as a christian debating 20 atheists.

>>24454592
Laugh at you trying to be a tough guy on the internet.

>>24454638
That's nice projection you got going on there buddy

>>24454647
What ever you say, Pablo.

>>24454657

>>24454675
Your posts radiate manlet energy.

>>24454678
Take a break from your computer, kid

>>24453157
>>24453159

> How the FUCK do you still find atheism debates interesting in 2025?
yes

>>24454632
It’s acceptable to ask him about it or at least try to understand why he is so hesitant to just give a direct answer after all this time, but if you can’t see how that kid was being a disrespectful little shit I don’t know what to tell you. The goon is a youtuber wannabe who was looking for his clip.

>>24454755
Jordan Peterson receives the respect he deserves.

>>24454755
In general, fedoras are dysgenic little shits. They were all bullied as kids and cope by pretending it was because they are high IQ and not socially awkward pissants.

Realistically, how does he recover from this?

>>24453157
>How the FUCK do you still find atheism debates interesting in 2025?

it's just people who lack common respect and decency.
Go back 10 years tradcaths irl would flip nowadays you tell someone irl your an atheist they'll just be like "ok?"
most people dont want shit to do with each other nowadays

>>24454855
>Go back 10 years tradcaths irl would flip nowadays you tell someone irl your an atheist they'll just be like
No one has cared about someone being an atheist since the 60s, retard. Nu Atheism was just a short-lived fad wherein a bunch of dorks who worshipped science popularizers circlejerked about living at the end of history when it was really just the advent of social media bullshit.

>>24454937
>No one has cared about someone being an atheist since the 60s, retard.
Don't pretend christcucks aren't still disowning their children for rejecting their abrahamic slave programming.

>>24454524
>taking a doctor prescribed medication
And what was the medication prescribed for? Why did you refuse to answer that?
JBP took anti-anxiety pills to escape from life and so do other addicts. You're being intentionally dense (I hope, otherwise you're simply retarded.)

>>24455001
>I READ IT ON TUMBLR IRL
Atheism hasn't been an edgy position for over 60 years. In future posts be less of a retard.

>>24455015
Taking antianxiety medication prescribed by a doctor isn't the same thing as you scoring H on a street corner because your uncle fingered your butthole, anon.

christians remaining vile snakes as ever >>24455022

>>24455083
It's literally the same phenomenon just not as extreme. You could say he was... psychologically dependent! on them to manage anxiety regardless of who gave them to him. You don't want to concede this though because you're scared of the implications for your idol and your own gullibility/dishonesty.

>>24455105
>It's literally the same phenomenon
No it's not, retard. When you take a doctor prescribed medication you aren't chasing a high or feelings of euphoria. It's a false equivocation.
>he was... psychologically dependent
He was physiologically dependant, retard.
>you're scared of the implications
You're a retard who won't listen to reason trying to make false insinuations. Why does he trigger you so badly that you need to act like the clock stopped in 2018?

>>24455105
P.S. Just noticed you admitted you were molested by your uncle. Sorry that happened to you, lol.

>>24455103
Because you're so moral and kind while you call other people vile snakes

>>24455132
>>24455130
>You're a retard who won't listen to reason
Ah yes the same reasoning that equates me ignoring your infantile tantrum with confirmation that I was molested. Least deranged Peterson fan.
Also you just said someone takes H on the corner because their uncle molested them and now one post later you're saying it's to chase euphoria.
If you take benzos to manage anxiety you're obviously psychologically dependent, you're still flat out denying reality to avoid reckoning with your own faggotry. Clean your room and eat raw beef and avoid cider then someday you might get your act together instead of acting like a drooling retard online.

Not that he ever wasn't, but it's dawning on me how awful Jordan Peterson is. He's all the aggressive/passive aggressive argumentative tendencies of a christcuck, while overtly admitting he doesn't actually believe in anything resembling christianity.
He dwells in an abusive, angry mode of being, from which he validates those who are also pointlessly angry, and he sells them self help books and teaches them how to strip all meaning out of their beliefs until they're just little balls of directionless anger.

>>24455153
Get labeled, snake.

>>24455172
You're trying to equate taking medication with ingesting street drugs, retard. The key difference is that people who are prescribed medication aren't chasing a high whereas such is the defining characteristic of street drugs. On top of that you don't have any evidence of abuse which is a key factor in defining addiction versus dependency. All kinds of medications create physical dependency but this alone doesn't entail the idea of an addiction.

Will you clearly address the difference between addiction and physical dependency? No, you won't because your argument is based on obfuscation and loaded terms. Will you address the key differences between taking a medication as prescribed by a doctor and ingesting street drugs? No, you won't because you're making a dumb argument that taking psychiatric medication is the same thing based on your own superficial parameters.

You don't have any arguments, anon. Your false narrative relies on nonsense. You're an idiot.

>>24455209
Lel not gonna argue with your mental gymnastics anymore retard. Go take your medically sanctioned hormone blockers to treat your dysphoria and watch out for any extreme rare side effects. It's a slippery slope to full blown addiction I heard.

>>24455237
>I know I've been BTFO and can't respond because my bullshit has been clearly laid out
I accept your concession. Now go wash your penis, faggot.

>>24455103
Are they doing it "irl"? Dilate.

>>24455275
Try to form a coherent thought next time.

>>24455293
>fedora can't read
Grim.

>>24455308
Stop.
Get a glass of water.
Go outside for 10 minutes.
Consider whether what you posted was worth reading.
Then reconsider your sorry excuse for a life.

>>24455312
>I'm a fag irl
We know.

>>24455319
https://youtu.be/DGAPTWbdGws?feature=shared

>>24455331
>click this link from me, a faggot
No thanks.

This is the power of Jordan Peterson stans >>24455348
Settle down, ok?

>>24455356
>=shared
Learn to post a link properly, retard.

>>24455364
No.

>>24455192
>He dwells in an abusive, angry mode of being, from which he validates those who are also pointlessly angry, and he sells them self help books and teaches them how to strip all meaning out of their beliefs until they're just little balls of directionless anger.
You're off the mark here. I don't think his self-help stuff is as malicious or detrimental as you're making it seem. If anything, you should separate his older self-help material from his new obnoxious self.

>>24451316 (OP)
Nobody’s talking about how damn aggressive he was to these kids when they were being pretty gracious with him. For example, count how many times he interrupts them vs them interrupting him. And it’s often either to demand some term to be defined from first principles, not even seeming to try to take that word at face value or try to understand the point they’re trying to make. Or, pointing out some minor inaccuracy that isn’t germane to the point, “well actually genocides CAN be wars you know!” Or, worst of all, accusing the opponent of bad faith without grounds to do so (this makes my blood boil).

I think he learned these dominance-type techniques from lower-skilled opponents buckling when he gets aggressive, but as one of the most famous influencer-thinkers he really needs to step up his game.

>>24455544
Much of my anger should be directed at the posters defending him in this thread who are acting like dogs.
But I'm still disappointed in Peterson himself. And I do think his style fuels that kind of insanity.
He's obviously some kind of postmodern syncretist pagan, but (despite his insistence that people should tell the truth) he's too much of a coward to just own up to that. He hides behind christianity, and it results in these embarrassing displays.

>>24455782
>syncretist pagan
I'm almost entirely convinced he already converted to Judaism.

>>24455782
You're just a pseud, bro. Chill out.

>>24455786
Honestly, I sincerely doubt that.
I've read Maps of Meaning, and it was just a blend of Jung, Nietzsche, analysis of ancient mythology, and clinical psychology, synthesized into a comprehensible paradigm that explains everything how he's acting now. No overt judaism involved, beyond his analysis of judeo-christian mythology.
It's just that he's been distorting his own ideas to suit his post-2016 socially-conservative fans, who rushed to his side when he was fired from his university, focusing heavily on the judeo-christian aspect of his work, and self-censoring (something he overtly tells people not to do) in order not to piss jews off.
None of this is entirely unsympathetic.
It's just cucked.

>>24455800
I like to tell myself I'm quite intelligent. It's funnier than what (You) think

>>24455827
>fired from his university
Never happened. He quit and got addicted to drugs. Appealing to "socially-conservative" fans was never his goal seeing how nasty he gets with everyone that even slightly disagrees with him. He's a lolcow nowadays for a reason.

>>24455782
I believe he knows where his bread is buttered (conservative listeners), so he knows he can’t come out as atheist or agnostic but has to kind of force his beliefs into something that can be called “believing in god”. He does this by basically defining “god” as “foundational morals”.

>>24455836
Huh. I was sure he had been fired.
At any rate I do know he got a huge amount of backlash from the political left for the whole refusal to use trans pronouns thing, and the political right rushed to his side and rallied around him in 2016 over the same issue.
>Appealing to "socially-conservative" fans was never his goal seeing how nasty he gets with everyone that even slightly disagrees with him.
His whole mode post-2016 has been pandering to that new conservative fanbase. It's just that his personal philosophy, as he lays it out in Maps of Meaning, isn't something that would win anyone many friends if you really followed it, so he's dumbed it down into some kind of faux-christian conservative grift in an attempt to keep his new fanbase.
This is not to say I think his philosophy is wrong btw, or even that it'd make you unpopular -- just that he'd have to give up his conservative fanbase if he were to really commit to his own ideas.
Settling for the attention of the masses.

>>24455892
Yes that's how I see it.
He defines god as "the principle of attention". He says this a few times in the 20 atheists video, although I can understand it being difficult to parse this from what he says.
The problem is I don't think any practicing christian thinks of their god this way.
And he doesn't, or didn't think of this as a "christian" idea, it was his conclusion drawn from a Joseph Campbellian style syncretic world myth analysis that god was "attention"
He's lose a lot of fans quickly if he admitted he was a Horus worshipper, but that's essentially what he used to consider himself to be.

>>24451316 (OP)
As if the Israel endorsement wasn't damning enough lol

>>24455209
There is literally zero structural, chemical difference between a "street drug" and its medical counterpart. Where there are differences in chemical structure, there is not in terms of the neurotransmitters which they antagonize/agonize. Meth is pretty identical to Adderall, hell you can go buy a structural isomer of meth at the grocery store, similar effects too. Same goes for benzos, the differences between street and script are usually even lesser than with opiates or amphetamines/stimulants.

>>24454113
you're right

>>24453188
This man wouldn't answer yes or no if a gun was pointed at his head.

>>24453299
>How many worldwide bestselling books have you written in that time, anon?
this is such a boring and trite fallacy. You don't have to be a michelin chef to know the food tastes like shit.

Has he made a comment on 200 years together?

>>24453075
Jesus Christ, look at them. Why do all athiests look like such freaks? Baseball cap guy is okay from the thumbnail.

>>24457373
The one black girl was an absolute smoke show though.

>>24457426
>absolute smoke show
what does that mean?
t. ESL

>>24454562
>>24453986
Like its a weird post but this was before anyone even knew about him so its also kinda believable

>>24457483
>before anyone even knew about him
He was extremely popular on campus and frequently appeared on TVO (Canadian provincial PBS).

This thread has more people arguing about his benzo use than the content of the debate and how he conducted himself, as usual on here

>>24451332
My sides

>>24453064
Probably guilt from diddling kids (incl his own daughter).

>>24451316 (OP)
All his tweets are written with AI these days.

>>24458429
guess that's what happens when you posit yourself as a moralfag, tell others to clean their room, and then you're a fucking junkie

>>24453450
Sounds a lot like some of Heidegger’s thought in Being & Time except filtered more through a psychological lens + evopsych and references to biology, then later in the video some physics & then some theology and comparative religion or mythology.
Reactions of hatred to it, or belief he’s not really saying anything interesting here seem more like anti-intellectualism to me. I’m not even saying this as a huge Peterson fan or someone with him on every political issue.

>>24453068
I think he said something about his wife only being able to stomach the beef of adolescent cows, hinting at that she makes his life hell. Family, man, often so tricky and messy.

>>24453075
I had to snicker every time someone talked about worshiping something. Philip K Dick was objectively wrong with his preference.

>>24453098
I'm not a fan of the benzo addict but living with the thought of letting any Tate near ones daughter in such a way is pure sui-fuel that I wouldn't wish on anyone. I guess she did it to torment her father or something because I can't imagine any female with more than two brain-cells to rub together being ok with having sex with Tate. He's so gross.

>>24459989
Pretty much. I don't respect a man who cries that often, but I'd cry too if my daughter fucked Andrew Tate.

>>24451316 (OP)
He gave up everything to save Western civilization. Have some respect.

>>24454562
>What piece of shit university did you go to?
berkeley

alright be honest would you try to evolve or just focus on your degree?

Peterson is just another demagogue.

>>24453193
If you aren't capable of shaping and phrasing your ideas properly to share them with children, you don't truly understand them yourself. You haven't even made your actual point, are we supposed to guess? What do you want the debate to evolve toward? We're not playing a guessing game here.

Debunking the existence of God means debunking the entire religions as they justify everything using God's supremacy. If you want to talk about the moral lessons of the books, then you shouldn't mention God, your religion, nor the books themselves. You should build your point from the ground up, with a core definition of what is Good, then follow a logical path to the resulting moral action.

>>24453270
It's not an argument. It's the exact same way that politicians talk. They say something that seems tangentially related to the question without answering it.

>>24451369

i stopped watching a few minutes in because the first guy to sit down didnt even debate the first claim he just questioned whether or not peterson actually believed in god

>>24462106
did anyone of them actually debate the topic or is this just one hour of kids and peterson reeing at each other

>>24461662
>filtered

>>24462106
The first claim is "atheists reject god without understanding god", so obviously they're trying to see if they agree on the definition of god.
Peterson's definition is not at all Christian.

>>24462616
i stopped watching after that one because they didnt even have a metaphysical discussion on what god even is.
it just seemed like bickering

>>24462634
That's mostly on Peterson.

>>24451316 (OP)
>the man that made half of the world's troons ack themseves
he will always have my sympathy
if you hate him you're a tranny

>claims atheists all worship something even if they don’t realize it
>then defines worship as prioritizing things
An example of him using extreme or religious language, but when you get down to what he actually means it’s so banal that it’s basically impossible to argue against.

>>24462686
Peterson is trying to get these kids to understand the meaning of his words in the technical sense he uses them but it’s not really a process that gels with their weird format where the people vote each other out when they start to get bored. It’s funny because he does something very similar with language to what Michel Foucault would do but he hates Foucault’s guts.
You’d think after all this time he’d find a better way to communicate that shit but he treats every interaction like one of his college lectures.

>>24463805
Yeah but he's also clearly lying. The idea that God is portrayed as consciousness in the Bible is a joke.

>>24463839
Christlarps have literally just become new age deists who have to retreat deeper and deeper into esoterics, defining God as some "cosmic consciousness " like stoners to deal with the cognitive dissonance of having a first world education which completely dismantles the blatant mythology of the Bible.

>>24463902
Peterson is not even a Christian.

>>24463902
You don't even know how to take a derivative, fedora tipper. When it comes to scientific materialism calm your big floppy man tits until you know basic calculus.

>>24453068
>his daughter had a lot of health issues too supposedly.
His daughter got pregnant from a guy who said he was possessed by "igor". Shes as nutty as he is.

>>24453807
>but he pretends to be and is attempting to hypnotize everyone else into believing they "really are a christian deep down"
Good take and that would explain what he meant when he said atheists do believe in something actually.

>>24463902
there's literally nothing wrong with that. yes, the bible is mythology, that doesn't mean it's devoid of value. I don't understand why people are so fucking triggered by Peterson trying to delve deeper into the psychology behind religion. he's right about everything.

>"nooo you can't just try to elaborate on the epistemology of religion, I can't think that far noooo"

>>24464936
Peterson has created an interesting paradigm, a genuine continuation of the alchemical work of Jung, which has practical application, and he's pretty much destroyed the chances anyone who didn't know him before 2016 will take it seriously by pretending it's christian.
He's started hiding behind christianity like a coward and pretending his work is christian, when it's arguably far from it.

>>24464951
>filtered by Peterson
>filtered by Jung
Sad.

>>24464951
he's not hiding behind christianity, what are you talking about? what he's getting at is the Jungian view of god like you said yourself. if your idea of the archetypal perfect human is one who sacrifices himself to save others (and his future self) you're a christian in that line of thinking. whether Jesus actually existed is not as important.

>>24464964
If that anon were familiar with Jung beyond a Wikipedia article he'd know about Jung's relationship with Christianity.

>>24464964
Then why does Peterson refuse to say he's a Christian?

>>24465010
I don't know, probably because that would trigger a lot of christians who can't comprehend what he's talking about, and he doesn't wanna associate himself with creationists and literalists either.

>>24465021
Probably cause he's redefining Christianity to suit his whims. The issue is he isn't honest about what he's doing.
If he said something like "Christianity TO ME is this basic moral code and worldview and the bible is mostly metaphorical", then that would be fine. However he outright lies about things.

>>24465010
Which part of this >>24453188 do you not understand?

>>24465035
He's a deist that promotes theism. However he is not honest about why he does it so he has to keep retreating into vaguer and vaguer nonsense.
Getting BTFO'd several times by college kids should've been a wakeup call that his tactics are no longer working.

>>24465040
>vaguer and vaguer nonsense
Again, which part of this >>24453188 do you not understand?

>>24465042
That copypasta isn't interesting enough for you to link to it in every post, bro. I know you're very proud of it, but still

>>24465044
No need for seethe, anon. I didn't write it. Now answer the question: which part of this >>24453188 do you not understand?

>>24464964
>whether Jesus actually existed is not as important.
Yea see there's the fucking kicker.
The Maps of Meaning paradigm Jordan Peterson has created, and which he is operating from, has virtually nothing to do with christ or christianity and could exist completely independent of those ideas.
He chooses to pretend to be a christian while he's really shilling his own thesis, which results in these embarrassing displays.
He should stick to his own ideas instead of pretending to be a theologian.
His audience would be smaller but it'd be less embarrassing and probably gain a more sober following.
Although I guess sobriety isn't his strong suit.

>>24454013
>Ecochambers are good for nobody
actually they're good if they're right.
there's no point in submitting yourself to wrong ideas and wrong ideologies. they're just harmful.

once you find the right way and the right place, you should never turn back.
it's like buddha finding nirvana and then going back, because "what if this perfection is wrong?"

learn what's right and follow it. be sure of yourself if you're getting happiness and success and making others happy and everything is good in your life.

>>24465074
>noooo, you can't describe your personal relationship with religion to an audience that finds it interesting!
Lol, his fans are far less embarrassing than his anti-fans.

>>24465050
I understand that he is slithery. Why do you keep spamming?

>>24465100
>he is slithery
No he isn't. Which part of this >>24453188 do you not understand?

>>24465102
Dunno. Link it again, let me give it another look.

>>24465110
It's a simple question, anon. I can tell by your posts you're a bit of a narcissist so I'll tell you that it's ok not to understand something. So...which part of >>24453188 do you not understand?

>>24465114
Sorry, wasn't paying attention. Mind linking the post again?

>>24465116
>narcissistic pseud can't admit he doesn't understand something nor just simply walk away
You really can't wrap your fragile little mind around something as simple as >>24453188. Sad show, anon. Very sad.

>>24465125
Didn't quite catch that. Link it again, please.

>>24465128
>I'm a vulnerable narcissist who's afraid to admit when he doesn't understand something
I accept your concession.

>>24465138
>not linking the quote
Yikes! Do better.

>>24465145
>the quote
Retard confirmed, lol.

>>24465086
Have you actually read Maps of Meaning?
Can you call yourself a fan if you haven't?
Don't make me post a pic of my copy.

>>24454013
>I need to expose myself to judeostooge "thinkers"
Ask him what he thinks about "200 years together", the dude isn't a thinker at all. He probably won't even give an answer.

Plus he's turning to Catholicism like an NPC who wants to "trust the religion experts".

>>24465084
Buddha was a fucking loser and a bum. And get this, he was born to a rich yuppie family then left them and went around to bum food off others like a jackass communist loser.

>>24465158
>I am an idiot.
>I post like this.
>I own a copy of a book.
>Are you impressed?
You post like a retard.

>>24465162
>Buddha
that's not the point, it was just an example
once you find what's right and working and succesful, you shouldn't go back, you shouldn't keep doubting yourself
you should trust that what you and what you think it's right, because it works

>>24465162
>200 years together
That book hadn't been released in English. The version of it online not only cut out sections but entire chapters and even contained line edits.

The only people who complained about it were hardline Jews who hadn't read it so you're basically being psyop'd by seething Jews who barely even tried, lol.

>>24453236
No, it's just that Christian liberty allowed you idiots to believe and say stupid things like promoting secularism.

But you idiots don't even know any history other than being taught "abe lincoln good, george washington bad".

>>24453920
>Judeo-Christians
It's funny how it's always either false prophets or faggot atheists who use this term to promote a lie.

Read the Talmud and the Bible. No such thing as "Judeo Christian". But atheism requires willing ignorance so they never will read the Talmud and Bible nor the Quran. They'd rather remain ignorant even about the world's biggest religions to preserve their retarded state-funded world view.

>>24455001
>I believe what the judeo-masonic schools taught me to believe
>I believe what the judeo-masonic media taught me to believe
>I am a free thinker, you're believe slave programming
Pure projection, dipshit.

>>24465155
I accept your concession.

>>24465171
Then find a better example than a fucking loser that starved himself then begged and pestered people door-to-door for food once his starvation couldn't continue.

>>24465175
Kill yourself, retard. You didn't even understand the point.

>>24465167
I can criticize Peterson because I actually know what he's talking about.
You seem like you're a christfag who's happy someone seems to be going to bat for you publically, but what he's actually doing is shilling his own thesis and making an ass of himself while doing it.

>>24465183
>Then find a better example
but i'm talking to you, i explained the point through words. i'm sure you understand

>>24465185
ok so how is his thesis wrong exactly?

>>24465204
It's not. It's just not christian.
And it could limit your worldview if you're not adept at belief shifting.

>>24453114
People go to Benny Hinn sermons by the thousands. That doesn't make Benny Hinn any less of a fraud though. It just proves people obsess over what they perceive as guaranteeing their ideology.
>>24453173
Yeah, what did it for me is Peterson being great at practicing (postmodern) deconstruction while preaching that's the Western world's arch nemesis.

>>24465283
Benny Hinn is fucking kino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kkgccLG1Gg

>>24458429
>>24459697
Occam's razer.
The bare essentials of Jordan's character is that he is a hypocrite who contradicts himself and he leads people down a meandering pipeline of rhetoric to trick you into thinking he isn't

>>24453807
>Without context, it's comedically bald-faced anti-semitism "I would NEVER lie to protect jews, and if I somehow found myself in a position to do so, it would be a catastrophic failure of my conscience!"
kek, I noticed that too.
>I would NEVER put myself in that position!
sounds pretty based, since he's implying that he would never have protected Jews in the first place (and thus need to lie to an SS officer or something)

>>24465162
The buddha was not a communist loser lol. He shows you, in the vein of David Lindsay, that there is something even better than pleasure. Namely, pain. Pain freed him from his false worldly paradise, opened his eyes, so to speak, and set him on the way.

>>24451316 (OP)
>This buffoon just lost
>just

>>24466835
You misspelled razor, retard.

>>24467165
Occam's gaming Razer

>>24466835
>razer
the simplest explanation is that you're a retard

>>24467649
whatever cunt

>>24467649
Lol

Bumb

get a load of this guy >>24468762