ON THE STUDY OF LATIN. (Schopenhauer) - /lit/ (#24452529) [Archived: 1102 hours ago]

Anonymous
6/8/2025, 11:48:53 PM No.24452529
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>Will English make up for the death of Latin?
>Does Latin in translatio, that is, English, still confer the Roman-Mediaeval Spirit of past literatures?
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Anonymous
6/8/2025, 11:58:40 PM No.24452550
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>>24452529 (OP)
Learning Latin should be standard, English makes up for it's loss but there's historical reasons for learning Latin, cultural reasons, unifying Europe reasons without the expectant baggage of introducing English, French, or German as the lingua franca because no two of them will willingly lie down and consume the other's national language.
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 2:01:13 AM No.24452863
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>>24452550
>no two of them will willingly lie down and consume the other's national language.
Meanwhile in reality, the majority of Germans can speak English.
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 2:08:22 AM No.24452876
>>24452863
>2012
Itโ€™s definitely way higher now. I talk to a zoomer from Spain and you can barely tell heโ€™s ESL.
But at any rate, English is no substitute for Latin. I forgot who it was that said if Latin is a tightly packed suitcase, then English is the luggage strewn all over the room.
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 3:58:10 AM No.24453055
>>24452529 (OP)
English can connect people across space but not across time and you can't expect Italians or even Germans to care about English in the same way about Latin.
Anonymous
6/9/2025, 6:41:28 AM No.24453356
Where are the latin learning resources
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 7:28:23 AM No.24453438
>>24452876
Stop grooming him, you disgusting tranny freak
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 7:29:10 AM No.24453441
>>24452529 (OP)
Stop posting that retard here please.
Anonymous
6/9/2025, 7:37:49 AM No.24453452
I would think studying Greek and Latin would be a boon to a young scholar in these times. The Internet Archive and Google books websites are filled with old books never having been translated into English. You might not make a living at it, but it is still scholarship.
Anonymous
6/9/2025, 7:57:26 AM No.24453478
>>24452529 (OP)
>Instantaneous high fidelity translation AI

ON the contrary-- the way of thinking of each language with the world's literature at their fingertips will lead to their mutual development to such heights reached by antiquity once again.
Anonymous
6/9/2025, 8:05:09 AM No.24453490
>>24453438
>stop
Why would I do that? Btw you do realise zoomers are turning 30 soon?
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 12:19:02 AM No.24455013
Plz postlearning resources
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Anonymous
6/10/2025, 2:04:09 AM No.24455284
>>24455013
unfortunately the only real way to go about latin is wheelock's (or a similar grammar-heavy book) + an input book (so like LLPSI or via latina etc.) + anki for like a year until you can slog through easier texts with a dictionary, then doing that for a while until you can read difficult texts (still with a dictionary, mind you). it's not very pleasant and requires great discipline
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Anonymous
6/10/2025, 10:51:08 AM No.24456133
>>24453356
Here you go, chief.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/13JLLzsLUmMa_jD1WOMXeTvSS9WKHjnOjwxygXtjAkcc
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 10:57:35 AM No.24456138
I'm 40. I missed the boat on learning Latin. Koine Greek was virtually impossible for me. Sad. Wish I had parents who loved me enough to beat me the moment I took my eyes off a textbook.
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Anonymous
6/10/2025, 4:19:03 PM No.24456659
Schopie is correct in his diagnosis as usual, but English has replaced Latin for all such intents and purposes. You guys sound like neet ex-scribes screeching about the demise of Akkadian teaching back in the day
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Anonymous
6/10/2025, 4:25:50 PM No.24456670
>>24452529 (OP)
Itโ€™s literally easier to learn to read 2 or 3 modern European languages than it is to learn to read and write Latin fluently. This is what academics do now, they pick up a couple of modern languages in a matter of months. It took years of grinding for people to read/write Latin back in the day, and probably not a single one of our Latinanons can read it comfortably and easily. Also Latin has an extremely limited lexicon.
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 5:15:31 PM No.24456778
>>24456659
>You guys sound like neet ex-scribes screeching about the demise of Akkadian teaching back in the day
You mean that event that was a result of the Kassitebmountain barbarians invading Babylon and establishing a dynasty and proved fatal for Sumerian civilisation? Yes, yes we do.
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 6:22:30 PM No.24456877
>>24456138
Nonsense. If you spent an hour a day, you have 365 hours a year, or 3,650 hours over the next decade. That would surely amount to some appreciable degree of accomplishment. If you don't actually want to do it, fine, but it's never to late to start learning.
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Anonymous
6/10/2025, 6:28:43 PM No.24456899
>>24456877
Study Latin for an hour a day for a whole year you might be able to sort of half-way and painfully read a speech by Cicero; poetry will be basically unreadable. I think 3-4 years before you start to get somewhat confident and another 2-3 years after that before you can read it like English. People in the past acquired fluency in Latin because it was almost all they studied throughout their entire schooling. That's why I'm positive that these people saying 'let's just bring back Latin!' are not even able to read Latin lol. (Reading one paragraph every 20 minutes with a dictionary at your side and still misunderstanding every other clause does not count).
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Anonymous
6/11/2025, 2:20:20 AM No.24457968
>>24456899
I think you're underestimating what consistent work can accomplish. If you're basing your prognosis on the results obtained by today's pupils, you should bear in mind that most of them likely spend far less than an hour a day on actual work in Latin.
Anonymous
6/11/2025, 4:36:20 AM No.24458172
>>24455284
Aren't you supposed to choose either llpsi or grammar book
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Anonymous
6/11/2025, 2:59:01 PM No.24458979
>>24458172
It's a false dichotomy. LLPSI tries to teach the grammar primarily through the Latin readings in the text, concluding with an explicit presentation in Latin of at least some of the grammar from the chapter. There are also two accompanying volumes (the Latine Disco and the College Companion) that explain the grammar in English. You can use LLPSI as your main textbook without having to supplement from Wheelock's. On the other hand, if you use Wheelock's first, the big problem is you get relatively very little practice actually reading Latin. For that reason, many people who have started out learning Latin from Wheelock's (or similar textbook) have found that LLPSI is helpful as a supplemental reader. That's probably why the other poster recommended using both. I don't agree with that advice, however. Just stick to LLPSI for your main text. If for whatever reason you find you don't like it, only then switch to another text and use LLPSI as a supplemental reader.
Anonymous
6/11/2025, 8:03:03 PM No.24459384
>>24456138
some chinese kid has mastered undergraduate mathematics at age 10. Why let the other limit yourself?