Thread 24460157

How do I actually force myself to write? I've been wanting to write again for nearly 2 years now and have barely made any progress towards that goal. I've only done one little drabble like 2 years ago and haven't done any exercises since then. I've been trying to get myself to write, but all of it looks too complicated and exhausting for me. I've tried multiple different strategies, but they never seem to work. I've tried forcing myself to write, but can only make myself write a couple of sentences for barely 30 seconds before stopping and looking at my phone again.

I've never been able to complete a single multichapter story in my entire life and actually coming up with stories isn't much better. I can't think anything through and everything about trying to make an entire story looks too hard for me. I want to be a creative really badly, but nothing I've done seems to have amounted to much of anything.

>>24460157 (OP)
Ask Gurm

>>24460157 (OP)
Why do you want to write? Honestly, do you know?

>>24460210
I have some stuff I want to write about. The problem is that making an entire world has always been challenging for me. I have an idea of what I want that world to be like, but the exact details are too hard for me to figure out.

Honestly it's just a mess of very basic stuff and just nothing else. I don't know what to do.

>>24460210
I got into writing mostly because of my parents pushing me there and me role-playing online. But that's it. I also want to make fanfictions of stuff I'm hyper fixating on.

>>24460210
I have some stuff I want to write about. The problem is that making an entire world has always been challenging for me. I have an idea of what I want that world to be like, but the exact details are too hard for me to figure out.

Honestly it's just a mess of very basic stuff and just nothing else. I don't know what to do. Also, most of the things I actually want to write about feel more suited for something visual rather than a novel.

>>24460237
But why do you it, you dumb bastard? What are you looking to achieve?

>>24460157 (OP)
idk, shoot yourself?

>>24460250
What worked for me is taking on the largest project I could finish, which at first was fairly small.
A 1000 word scene, without an interesting ending or any real plot. Then 2000. Then trying to think a satisfying ending. Failing. Trying again.
At some point I got a feel for it.

>>24460259
I regret leaving this short sighted and sardonic comment. What I'm trying to get at here is to ask the question of what "force" has to do with it, why the question of force enters into the question of writing at all, what has disconnected in you the creative faculties from their output such that some imagined, non existent, external is or should be in your mind responsible for their functioning

>>24460253
I don't know why. I've just always felt the urge.

>>24460157 (OP)
Oh. Its this thread again. I played along several times before, but I'll not do it anymore. Someone put a sticky up, to save this guy the trouble. A real writing or reading thread? Dies for this shit.

>>24460260
I want to have the entire story planned out before I write it to avoid any sort of plot holes or bad writing. I don't know what I'm doing for the most part and I can't bring myself to focus on writing stuff for the most part either. My ADHD just makes me do random stuff rather than the stuff I want to do.

>>24460266
Is something stopping you from following that urge?

>>24460274
what if you reverse that last statement to consider "there is something which causes me to identify as 'wanting to do' things other than what I do," does that make sense?

>>24460274
Write shorter things. Finish them. Then go back to the big things. You will learn more than you understand by finishing a thing.

>My ADHD just makes me do random stuff rather than the stuff I want to do.
Take responsibility for yourself.

>>24460282
Are you trying to same this same empty platitude I've heard a million times of "You just like the idea of doing something but not actually doing it"?
>>24460275
Yes, my ADHD and lack of motivation thanks to it. Even on meds I feel hyper sexual and distracted rather than focused on doing work.
>>24460285
That's what I've been doing since I've been RPing for like 3 years now. But now I want to write bigger things, but I can't. And I can't figure out the things I want to do for my stories.

Are you the same guy that keeps posting about wanting to draw on /ic/?

>>24460157 (OP)
You don't want to write.

>>24460299
Then do I not want to do anything?

>>24460292
Did the RPing included written stories, with actual prose, designed to be read? Because if not, you weren't practicing your writing.

>>24460311
>Did the RPing included written stories, with actual prose, designed to be read?
Yes, mostly with us responding to each other with written posts.

>>24460329
What's wrong with what I said? Everything that you said, I responded to.

>>24460311
Yes.

>>24460285
I've been trying, but I can't. That's my problem. I keep getting distracted.

>>24460263
Because if I don't force myself, I'll never be able to do anything. I just sit in bed all day doing nothing. No medicine works for me. Neither does meditation.

Nice job OP. You're the guy in this comic.

>>24460297
>>>/ic/7587198

Lol, it's the same exact thread just "draw" replaced with "write".

>>24460285
I don't know how to make myself write. I keep getting distracted and just wanting to either jerk off or lay in my bed doing nothing. I've been wanting to be a creative for my entire life but I've done nothing to get there.

>>24460362
LOL he really is

Fuck off with this spam shit

>>24460285
I can't make myself is the problem. Even on medicine I just want to lay in my room and do nothing.

>>24460292
(>>24460282)
I'm asking you if that is the case. It isn't easy to be anything at all, much less a writer, much less a failed writer, much less a failed writer who never bothered to write, and least of all a failed writer who never bothered to write and never investigated whether or not he should be a writer. Do you really want to be that?

>>24460361
For $75 plus transportation I will go to your house once a week and threaten you with physical violence if you don't turn in some pages

It's the same fucker who spammed this thread, and now changed the OP so he won't get caught. Stop replying.

>>24460157 (OP)
No fap and delusions of grandeur is my winning combination

When I was 23 and at my worst with the drunking and the suicidal ideation, I was writing constantly. I'd like narrate my life in my head throughout my day because it was all I had to do. When I got bored of writing, I'd make music on my computer. They were all generally good stuff, nothing revolutionary or whatever, but pretty good.

Now I'm 29, stable in life, and I feel nothing when I try to write. I think that ability, the only thing I'd been consistently good at through all of school, the thing I got a literal perfect SAT score on, the thing that I think helped get me into college given my terrible grades, it's all gone. I guess I don't need an outlet now, but I miss having one.

>>24460478
>not mid-fap
shiggy diggy

this post is so incredibly boring, and everyone hates you, surely your writing would be no different.

learn how to actually entertain anyone with your ideas first, literally try to make others think or laugh, if you can't, I'm sorry but the world needs bean counters.

>>24460300
Yes I am saying that

>>24460334
Last response wasn't me, and that guy was just being an ass.
Nothing wrong with what you said, and you did respond to everything I said, so I hope what I say actually helps:
Writing stories with a beginning, middle and ending is a specific skill. You need to get a feel for it (at least, I did and most of the writers I know personally did). Rping doesn't really practice that skill.
It could help - just like being an athlete in one field might make ot easier for you to transition to another, but you need to practice that particular skill.
You can start writing you RP stories, but write them for someone who didn't play with you.
A story of 1000 words, then 2000, 5000 and 10000. Finish them. It's okay to have a shotty ending as long as the reader knows that it's an ending. Have someone read it. With time, you'll understand what it is that's stopping you from completing the bigger work.
I'm rooting for you.

>>24460390
Have you tried writing smut? Probably your problem is that you're too serious and you feel like your writing has to be good.
It doesn't. You're a beginner, your writing is supposed to suck. Find a way to enjoy sucking, just like your mom did.
But seriously, you're probably putting too kuch pressure on yourself. Play with it.

>>24461092
I have written smut before. But also, if I don't put that kind of pressure on myself, I'll end up lazing around and not doing anything.

>>24460266
Well, I feel the urge to nail the waitresses at Twin Peaks, but I've never been able to do it. I don't obsess over it, I just move on. Maybe you're not cut out to be a writer.

>>24461154
Then am I not cut out to be anything? I've written plenty before. My ADHD makes me unmotivated to do almost anything is the problem. I've never been able to commit myself to any serious hobby ever.

>>24461154
Then am I not cut out to be anything? I've written plenty before. Starting from when I was about 12 years old. My ADHD makes me unmotivated to do almost anything is the problem. I've never been able to commit myself to any serious hobby ever.

So am I not cut out to be anything?

>>24461199
Yes

>>24461199
How about leaving the room in your mommy's house where you grew up, going outside, touching grass, and interacting with people? Maybe even get a job, move out, and support yourself?

>>24461199
anon you are trying to force everyone into a non binary fallacy where we either affirm you were meant to be a writer or admit you are nothing.
This only works on people who know you and don't want to hurt your feelings. whatever philosophy you have is worse than anti-natalism or ecoanarchism because you simply have nothing to offer in terms of thought. You are a 0. Use this post as motivation to do everything different and then you will have, everything different.

>>24461254
I have a job and I'm making money.

>>24461307
You're going off script. Stick to the program nigga. You literally said several threads ago you do nothing but jerk off, do online ERP, and stare at your wall all day

>>24461320
And go to a job for a few hours every week day.

>>24461088
I've been writing and role-playing for close to 10 years now.

>>24461321
Yet you struggle to draw a single box due to your debilitating ADHD giving you shaky hands?

>>24461340
It's not my ADHD giving me my shaky hands. I don't know what does. I struggle to draw or make myself do anything. Even when I'm on meds. Even when I'm at work.

>>24461344
I'm sure posting thread #63 of this same retarded spam is gonna solve your problem

>>24461348
How about giving advice?

>>24461272
How do I make myself do it?

>>24461371
see
>>24460362

>>24461344
How do you even wake up on time, shower, button your shirt and tie your shoes every morning? Whatever it is that drives you through a structured life will also propel your creativity. An unstructured life always leads to excess and inertia.

>>24461375
>How do you even wake up on time, shower, button your shirt and tie your shoes every morning?
Because of my job. Even when I'm at my job, I still struggle even when my meds at their strongest at that point during the day. I feel too hyper sexual and distracted.

I'll try setting timers or reminders for myself.

When you start writing and you get that feeling that you want to stop and distract yourself. You can either try push through using sheer willpower or you can listen to that feeling and try to figure out what it's telling you. At the core your issue is just internal conflict, you want to write but you're stopping yourself from writing for some reason. Either you push hard enough so the writing side wins, or you resolve the conflict by figuring out the unconscious reasons you have for wanting to avoid it. What could be the reasons? I don't know, it's subjective but important to you. Imagine being a writer, writing loads of stuff and doing it successfully, then see what comes up. Your mind might conjure up some sort of danger or hidden cost that you don't want to pay. Like, actually showing people your work and being at the mercy of their criticism. Look inward, meditate on it, until you figure it out. Or, like I said, brute-force the problem with willpower.

>>24461334
Okay, and? I've been running for ten years now, but if I wanted to get good at swimming I practice swimming, hoping that the running would have some carry over.
Are you arguing that your rping has a carry over to your writing? If that were the case, you would be writing right now.
Specificity is key.

>>24461379
honestly man, I've read over this entire thread, there is more than enough actual advice in here to make you achieve what you want. If you make one more fucking post telling everyone you are incapable, I want these words to haunt you, that every failure from this point on is only on your shoulders. You knew, you had the right advice, and didn't take it.

I genuinely wish I didn't write. I actually feel like an unfunctioning retard sometimes because I need to write in my life. During periods of writers block I become like an insufferable woman, suffering mood switches and drink too much. I can hardly pay attention at work and am always idle minded because I'm always stuck in my imagination; I don't think I could be safe to drive because I'm always away with the fairies working on my current or future project. It's embarrassing having to explain to people close to me that I have to write for 3 hours a day (during times when I'm working on something, it's not necessary all the time) becuase they simply don't get it, I treat it more seriously like any job I've ever had but I have no intention of earning any money off it anytime soon. It makes me feel neurotic, particuarly when no one else I know has this kind of creative consistency or sheer creative will, it makes me feel like I'm a retard for getting so worked up over something the majority of people do not care about. My advice, don't stumble down this road because there's no way back, anon. Be a normal person and start a lovely family instead.

>>24461419
Saying that, writing and working on something is the only thing that brings me true satisfaction so it balances out. I love being able to write, actually!

>>24461419
nice humblebrag bro

>>24461419
pseuds like this rly exist huh

>>24461401
So then what do I do if it not? It has carried over to my writing since its helped me with my stamina when it comes to writing for a long period of time. Although, I still can't make myself focus for longer than 30 seconds before I give up and stop.

>>24461414
I've tried the majority of the advice in this thread before.

>>24461457
you are defective then. give up

>>24461459
Give up doing anything?

if you don't believe hard enough that your writing is necessary then no point, what you are trying to do is appeal to peer pressure because your self motivation has run out

>>24461468
Yes. Including whining and crying nonstop on 4chan
You clearly are not cut out to be a creative of any sort. Probably not a functioning human in general
I recommend an alcohol addiction

>>24461473
This is what I've heard for literally everything I try doing.

>>24461473
I disagree with you here, this helpless anon craves recognition and greatness but with the soul of a cow just meant to chew grass. He should join the Ukrainian Volunteer army, foreign legion or distribute aid in aids torn south sudan, so when he dies everyone can be proud he did something.

>>24461504
>>24461473
Oh for fuck's sake. Yeah I've heard this a million times for every single hobby I've ever tried. I like the idea of doing anything besides sitting in my room, laying in bed, jerking off and going to sleep or looking at my phone and staring at a wall while barely being able to get out of bed. Am I seriously raising the bar too high? Is that what you're telling me?
Then am I not interested in anything at all? Because this is what it's like for everything that I've ever tried doing even for non creative hobbies or just anything in general.
I have literally tried doing several artistic hobbies and gave up each of them immediately when I was a teenager.
>Gave up on Source Filmmaker
>Gave up on GameMaker
>Gave up on FireAlpaca
>Gave up on Photoshop
>Gave up on writing
I didn't know how any of them worked or what to do. I don't even know basic trig. Even when I look art guides, I literally cannot comprehend them or figure them out. I don't want to be stuck with no creativity or being unable to express myself. This is what it's like for literally everything I try doing. I'm not able to try and keep up with any hobby. Even writing, I do it sporadically and very rarely. Stop giving me this reductionist bullshit.

I'm not here to get attention, I'm not here because I "secretly don't like doing anything creative" I'm here because I want to fucking draw, write and make something. Now are you going to give me advice or not?

>>24461527
It's over. Just donate your brain to science so we can study specimens like yourself and find a cure for your mystery disease. You won't be creating anything yourself, but you'll at least make a contribution to something.

>>24460441
I've been writing for my entire life and Role-playing. People have told me that my previous writing is great and that I'm a good writer. I want to be a creative person. Its what I've dreamed about being for the longest time.

2 steps

1. Unironically just sit down and have your hand start writing/typing
2. Don’t try to so hard to write fiction or poetry and instead write non-fiction
3. Do this daily
4. Transition to fiction once you’re in a rhythm/routine

>>24461535
I've been RPing almost every day for like 10 years. Does that count?

>>24461527
anon I gave you serious advice about joining the Ukrainian army or the foreign legion. You do not have the willpower to stop

>sitting in my room, laying in bed, jerking off and going to sleep or looking at my phone and staring at a wall

accept this about yourself at this moment, and stop having a room, a bed, a wall, a phone or being in a situation where you can jerk off all day.
>literally throw your phone out of a window right now or accept your place in life
It's that simple

>>24461527
step outside your comfort zone, literally move yourself from where you live into an uncomfortable situation, nothing else will force you to be creative

>>24461527
You are clinically severely depressed and need to start seeing a psychiatrist and making major lifestyle changes.
Or keep posting on 4chan about it. That's an equally valid solution.

>>24461540
How about give advice that isn't retarded trolling?
>>24461541
I have nowhere to go.

REMINDER

DO NOT REPLY
HE IS NOT REAL
HE IS A TROLL
HE JUST POSTS THIS SHIT CONSTANTLY TO BAIT OUT MENTALLY ILL PEOPLE INTO GIVING THEIR STORIES SO HE CAN LAUGH AT YOU
THE MORE YOU TRY TO HELP HIM, THE WORSE HE PRETENDS TO BE, SO HE CAN BAIT OUT EVEN-MORE AWFUL ANECDOTES

DO NOT FEED THE OP TROLL

DO NOT FEED THE OP TROLL

DO NOT FEED THE OP TROLL

DO NOT FEED THE OP TROLL

>>24461544
lmao, you are hopeless, good luck with your life and immature excuses

>>24461543
I'm on antidepressants and stimulants. Along with thyroid medication to treat my condition. I still feel like I can't do anything. My body gets too shaky, I get too hyper sexual and distracted and impulsive. I don't know what to do.

>>24461551
Talk to your doctor and your psychiatrist then.
>Or keep posting on 4chan about it. That's an equally valid solution.

>>24461549
if true and he's been doing that for months, he's just mentally ill in a different but equally severe way

>>24461549
no, we can FIX HIM

>>24460157 (OP)
>i've been wanting to write for 2 years.
>i want to be a creative really badly

>>24460436
>i want to just lay in my room and do nothing

??
make up your mind first

>>24461556
I've told them all of this before. They didn't see a reason to change my medicine and told me it was my thyroid. I've been getting my thyroid medicine adjusted and I don't know if it's helping or not. I do feel like I can focus for a bit longer.

>>24461544
I am not trolling about going to Ukraine and throwing your phone out the window.

I once felt like you Anon, aimless, listless, unable to help myself, you know what I did? I planned and executed a 1,000 mile bike ride down the west coast of America, and I didn't bring a phone or have much money. I had a tent, a sleeping bag, and fucking map. I met people, I got caught in thunderstorms, nearly got run off the road by rednecks, got offered a job on a weed farm. You do not have the will to just change your mind, you must change your surroundings.

>>24461549
I'm offering this advice to anyone, I doubt OP will take it, but it's nice to express it and clarify my own thoughts.

>>24461567
It's actually more like since I've been a kid and dreamed about doing something creative. So it's more like 14 years.

What do I do?

>>24461569
If your psychiatrist is ignoring your apparently major depression symptoms and not providing means of improvement, get a new one
Your doctor is a different matter—he can only do what he can do, based on the diagnosis

>>24461576
I've been going to this one for my entire life. They've told me that the effort has to come from me. But I can't make myself actually do anything. I don't know how to make myself.

>>24461537
RPing?

>>24461574

you don't want to write, you want to have written something. the good news is, most writers are like this. you're not alone.

pick up a copy of writing down the bones by golberg or the writing life by dillard. they're not books about the craft of writing but the feelings surrounding it, including the desire to stray away from the writing itself. i think they'll help you.

>>24461589
Actually I feel like I'm the opposite. I like writing, but I don't like the actual act of trying to make a coherent story.

>>24461583
Get a new psychiatrist.
>Or keep posting on 4chan about it. That's an equally valid solution.

>>24461591

this just feels like trolling then, because the entire thread so far is you having trouble writing, not you having trouble writing stories.

goodluck.

>>24461583
>I've been going to this one for my entire life.
This is an excellent reason for not changing! Wouldn't want to ruin all that lovely progress you've made with them, would you?

>>24461596
Are you going to give me advice instead of trolling or what?

STOP REPLYING TO THE TROLL
OP IS A FAGGOT WHO POSTS THIS SHIT CONSTANTLY
HE WILL ACT LIKE A RETARD WHEN YOU GIVE HIM ADVICE

DO NOT REPLY

>>24461592
The psychiatrist told me that effort has to come from my part and that the pills aren't some magical cure for everything. I can't make myself do anything is the problem due to my ADHD.

i can't even wipe my asshole well enough because of my adhd.

>>24461599
are you really this moronic? your life is majorly fucked up and you want to keep your psychiatrist...why?

>>24461600

you speak the truth: i should have listened!

My mom says i'm a bright boy but i don't believe it. Time for my pills.

>>24461622
is he gooning while telling us how incapable he is?

>>24461620
The psychiatrist told me that effort has to come from my part and that the pills aren't some magical cure for everything. I can't make myself do anything is the problem due to my ADHD.

>>24461868
>are you really this moronic? your life is majorly fucked up and you want to keep your psychiatrist...why?

>>24461527
>I like the idea of doing anything besides sitting in my room, laying in bed, jerking off and going to sleep or looking at my phone and staring at a wall while barely being able to get out of bed.
Nigga how are you a functioning human being. How can you even wipe the shit from your ass if you're this incompetent.

>>24461549
He's been going off script lately. Howie if you're real draw a box and post timestamp. I will give you constructive advice on art and writing if you can prove you're not a troll. Otherwise it's confirmation every howie thread from now on is a troll with too much free time

>>24460157 (OP)
What does your daily routine look like? When do you wake up and when do you go to sleep? You can fit in about 15 minutes into any schedule. Just state how the average day goes for you and I will give you actionable advice

>>24462527
Basically just laying in bed looking at my phone until I have to go to work or eat lunch, then I come home and do the same thing. Occasionally, I'll play a video game.

>>24461365
You want advice from 4chan? Here you go.

>>24462600
I'm literally trying right now

>>24462515
I'm not functional, thats the problem.

>>24462557
What time do you wake up. What time do you go to work, when do you get off work, when do you sleep

>>24462736
Why does that matter?

Just do it. It could look like this!

>>24462737
Because creative endeavours like art and writing are fundamentally incompatible with the hustle and bustle of modern industrial life. If you want a work life and a steady flow of income and an active creative output all at the same time you need to squeeze in what little art you can. Take it from me who either writes at work or in the early morning or late at night

>>24460157 (OP)
I think many writers use alcohol.

>>24462731

This is the kind of person that should join a cult, all their decisions will be made for them. It would probably be very relaxing to just submit to the leader in every way for this anon.

>>24461442
Easy mode? Set yourself a goal, something that you can finish in an hour. Commit and ask a friend to hold you to the commitment. Tell them that you're going to send them a shitty 1000 word story in a week and ask them to read it and give you critique. (Reciprocation is great, for several reasons.)

Hard mode - face the anxiety you feel over being bad at writing, accept that you have to write shitty stuff to write less shitty stuff, and get on with it.

>>24461473
The beautiful thing about this anon is that he's trying to get people angry enough to actually do things just to spite him, not realising that these fuckers are so broken and desperate they just take the abuse without fighting back.
I love you man, keep fighting.

I don't know why anyone is bothering anymore. Any advice you give this guy he will find an excuse (something everyone can do) to not do it. Just like everyone else that never did anything.

>>24463224
hopefully he took my advice and khs

All of this shit looks too complicated.

>>24460210
I want to create something beautiful

>>24460157 (OP)
Write something else. Just go through the motions, don't try to be clever or funny or respectable. Do this until something piques your interest, then write about that.
John went to the parking lot and grabbed some smokes from his glove compartment. He didn't know what Sally yelled at him for but she was the boss and he couldn't really do anything about it. He fumbled his lighter, not realizing how shaken he really was. "Women can't speak to men like this" thought John. Knowing the world disagreed.

Bank robbing wasn't easy, but it paid the bills. He stubbed put his cigarette on the hood of his car and flung it away. John made sure to flip off the security camera as he re-entered the mall bank, footage was only seen in review now and he knew it. By the time anyone had eyes on the robbery, he and Shelilah would be long gone. Provided she didn't betray him.

See? Nothing great but it's possibly more than you have written today. At least Shelilah is a funny name so something came of it in the end.

>>24460250
You don't need to create an entire world, just the facade. Its an abstract suggestion, but look into documentation of the planning behind Disney parks. Misdirection and what ought to be shown, like touchstones for the imagination to extrapolate from.
The intricate world shouldn't even be the important part for you as the writer, what your subconscious is drawing from for that world should be.

>>24463693
No man my ADHD makes that impossible to do :(

Jordie, is that you?

>>24463696
Kinetic memory is helpful, which means writing stuff down. Taking notes for example. And you might be surprised what your subconscious holds onto while your active attention is displaced. Reviewing what you wrote as notes can bring you back to those thoughts.
And the more you practice this, attention deficit will defeat you less often.

>>24463706
There's just nothing I can do about [internal factor #134] it makes it impossible for me specifically to do anything :( you just wouldn't understand...

>>24463720
Oh I do. You aren't the only person with a curse.
Creativity shines brightest under restraints, never stop looking for solutions. Little loopholes around your impediment.
My mother used to say where there is a will there is a way, so did my grandmothers and grandfather. What it means is that, if you have the will to pursue something, then there is a way to do it. Ever figuring it out is of course another kettle of fish, but know that there is a way, probably more than one. You may have even thought of it already but persuaded yourself out of trying.

O' woe is me! Why has the universe burdened me with such anguish of mind and heart as [fixable thing with actual effort]! Ah, but alas there is naught to do but crawl into mine bed and weep...

>>24463693
I want to make an interesting world first and then have the story take place in it. I already have like 15 ideas for character designs but I can't draw any of them.

>>24460362
well yeah, if you call someone an idiot for not knowing something instead of just teaching them of course they won't have the confidence to try it themselves. Normies are so stupid it's genuinely unreal

>>24463684
I already have an idea of what I want to write about, but I can't make myself do it is the problem. And I've tried multiple times.

>>24463928
>literal hand holding
>she didn't try to teach him
You really are the man in the comic even in regards to understanding the comic.

>>24463964
You have to be 18+ to post here lil bro

>>24463969
I don't care what some stunted victim has to say about anything.

>>24463739
I've never been able to make myself do anything is the problem.

>>24463978
And you never will.

>>24462565
I want to make stories in a visual medium. All of the stories that I want to make would require a visual medium more than a literary one. It's impossible for me to actually write about any of the ideas I want to write about since they'd all fit something visual. I also want to draw things that I happen to be hyper fixating on. Robots, aliens, mecha, just anything.
I've been trying to learn construction in order to do this. Nothing else matters to me right now. Are you going to give me advice or not?
>B-but commission
No
>B-but ai
No
>B-but make visual novels
No
>b-but make novelization of visual works
No


Give me advice on how to draw or write or do anything.

>>24463981
This is what it's like for everything that I've ever tried doing even for non creative hobbies or just anything in general.

>>24463985
Ok?

>>24463987
So clearly there's something more here than just me "not wanting to do it".

>>24463988
depression

>>24463989
I'm on anti depressants and stimulants and have been treated for my thyroid condition. Nothing still.

>>24463988
Yeah it's your whole world view and who you are as a person.

>>24463991
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avolition

maybe you have this shit

>>24463999
>>24463995
Okay so what do I do?

>>24464002
it can be a negative symptom of schizophrenia so you would take anti-psychotics. the other alternative is to rope, i guess.

>>24464002
see>>24463224
>>24464005
He doesn't care bro. He's a sad sack that just wants to wallow in self pity not do anything about it.

>>24464005
Okay I have no way of getting anything diagnosed or getting new medicine right now. What do I do?

>>24463969
Kek that doesn't even make sense in response to what you said, especially given that you're the one acting like this child in this situation (under 18). Do better

>>24463999
I was formally diagnosed with ADHD, Autism and cyclothymia.

>>24464016
OH NO THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO?!?!?! NO CREATIVE HAS EVER HAD THESE PROBLEMS NOOOOOO

>>24464019
Okay, so what do I do?

>>24464020
see>>24463224

>>24464022
That's not an answer. I can't make myself draw, write, or do anything.

>>24464025
Yeah I know, you've said as much. You won't be a creative then, that's the end of it.

>>24464028
How about giving me advice that helps me work around the problems I have?

>>24464014
>uses kek unironically
>accuses others of acting like a child
Thats some crazy work lil bro

>>24464030
see>>24462565

>>24464012
wait until you can

>>24464033
Yes. Give me advice.

>>24464030
If you can't write or draw or do anything creative then you won't do anything creative. So my advice is stop trying to be a creative.

>>24464030
there isn't any advice to give. it's impossible for you

>>24464032
gen alpha and z don't even know what kek is retard. it's millennial

>>24464041
But I've written and drawn stuff before when I was younger so why not now? Last thing I wrote was like 2 years ago.

>>24464052
>why not now
depression
and your meds dont fix
so its impossible now

>>24464056
Retarded babble. Give me actual advice.

>>24464061
there isn't any advice to give.

>>24464052
Everyone is creative as a kid. You let your mind get infested and your spirit worn by outside influence and now you act like a victim. At least you're like 99% of people on this planet. So take solace in that. As for art. Create or don't. It's your choice and that's something you can't accept.

STOP REPLYING TO THIS FAGGOT SPAMMER

>>24464064
Give me actual advice.

>>24464032
>identifies with with Howie unironically and blames "normies" for problems
>calls others childish
Lmaoing at ur life rn

>>24464069
Sure. Write.

>>24464069
You are literally incapable of being creative—you've said it yourself.
There is no advice to give.

>>24464084
How do I make myself without stopping in 30 seconds?

>>24464097
Oh you see since you have control over your own actions you just keep writing.

>>24464097
You can't. As you've established, your incurable depression makes it impossible. You no longer have free will.

>>24464103
I get bored easily and stop

>>24464108
When you get bored, don't stop.

>>24464110
How?

>>24464121
By typing more letters.

>>24464121
How do you not stop? By not stopping
See >>24460362 if you're confused

>>24463666
Awesome, and checked. Go and make ugly things and see them become slightly less ugly. It takes years, but it's fucking awesome when you do make beautiful things.
Inb4 that sounds hard - if that sounds too hard for you than you don't want to write, you want to dream. Go and try.
>>24464110
Genuinely best advice on thread. If that doesn't work for you op, please stop making these threads, for your own sake.
Shit or get off the pot.

>>24464128
For the love I god I hope you're baiting.

>>24464131
What should I start with?

>>24464133
Functioning humans are capable of ignoring their boredom. Which means you are subhuman. It is truly as simple as "just do it anyway"

>>24464134
A thousand word story that contains the words tomato, constellation and cat.
I'm not kidding, that's the first exercise I ever did, and it got me on the path to getting fanmail regularly.
I'm fucking off this thread, though.

>>24464140
This is all I could do before my ADHD made me stop :(

>>24460157 (OP)
Try bringing a laptop to a coffeshop or library to write. Free from distractions, surrounding by life, you ought to be able to get some work done. It works well for me.

>>24460157 (OP)
Write one word. Then another. Then another one and another one and...

>>24464281
Wait, it's just like writing an imageboard post??

>>24464167
Okay, I figured you out. You don't want to write. You want to have an excuse to why you aren't writing. You would have liked to be a great writer, sure, if it wasn't for the adhd, or the shaking hands, or another type of neuro divergence.
You want someone to tell you that you can't write, because then it would mean it's not your fault.
But it is your fault, you dumb bastard. You didn't even try with that story. Why use master once and then mastah?
Why stop after three lines?
You do less than the minimum. You literally don't even try.
Why? Because if you don't try nobody has proof of what a retard you are.
Nobody will ever say "lol he tried his best and still failed, what a fucking idiot" if you never write anything.
And hey, if it's because of hdhd, it's not your fault that you're not trying!
"Oh I would have loved to write. I actually had a couple of novel ideas! But yeah because of my neuro divergence I can't really sit down to write."
You may actually have some brain defect, but that doesn't make you less of a coward. You're not here asking for adhd havers for tips on how to overcome it.
You're here to tell us that you have adhd when we give you solid advice.
And the beautiful thing is, you don't even know this. You believe your own bullshit.
And still, you are a parasite, and I truly despise you.

>>24464484
You do realize that's a troll and not me right?

Trying to draw free handed doesn't work for me.

>>24464566
Yeah after 5 hours total of drawing thats what its going to look like.

>>24464484
That's not OP but i'm glad I could lead you to the correct conclusion on who this man is that you actually tried to help in vain.

>>24464581
I don't want to spend my time making shitty drawings. I want to learn fundamentals so I can make something good.

>>24464585
Ok so learn the fundamentals

>>24464591
I'm having trouble learning them is the problem. All the lines overwhelm me visually and make me fuck up.

>>24464608
Keep practicing and that won't happen as much.

>>24464612
I don't know where to even start. I don't know what I'm doing at all.

>>24464618
Good thing you can find out how to do anything with even a modicum of effort in this world we live in.

>>24464634
I've looked at tutorials, and I've looked at books. All of it looks too complicated for me and I can't figure it out.

>>24464637
Guess you can' t do it then.

>>24464641
So should I give up on everything then? Because every hobby is like this for me.

>>24464644
Yeah probably. Your mentality is shot.

Good troll tbqhonest, legitimately rage inducing thread lol

>>24464646
How about give actual advice?

>>24464656
Sure. Change your life and your attitude. The creativity will come later when you don't act like a victim with zero agency

>>24464663
I don't have any agency already. My ADHD keeps me from doing the things I want to. I'm trying to draw right now but I keep fucking it up and I don't know if I'm doing it correctly.

>>24464670
Wah

>>24464672
Any advice?

>>24464670
The strokes are small and pathetic. Be more confident, draw the entire circle, not a million little indistinct lines. If you fuck it up, rub it out, start again. Just send it.
Probably applies to most things you want to do.

>>24464690
No

>>24464789
My coordination sucks and so does my strokes. I only ever feel good using the motions of my fingers and wrist. Using my shoulder feels too hard for me. I only ever scratch my lines.

>>24464794
Okay? And?

>>24464794
>my drawings are total shit when I scratch my lines
>I scratch my lines because it feels better
cool story anon

>>24460157 (OP)
Howie if I could get us in an empty room with all the dozens of anons here who genuinely attempted to help and we're all armed with metal pipes except you I think it'd be epic.

>>24464553
Cool so where is your 1000 words story?

>>24464584
Writers lie to tell the truth I guess. Good baiting btw, I really lost my shit over that one.

My advice is for you to kys. You can't refute that. You're hopeless, and you're asking 4chan for advice on how to live your life. You're an embarrassment to your parents. Do it. Do it now.

i don't know if it's a troll, but i kind of relate to OP. sometimes you want to do something but you can't make yourself do it no matter what and you're just permastuck. but eventually you just say to yourself, this ain't for me and you give it up. op's issue is his fixation, he needs to let go and find something that he doesn't need to force himself to do.

>>24464286
Yes, but actually reviewing what you wrote before publishing.

>>24460157 (OP)
what do you actually enjoy doing or whats the last thing you actually enjoyed doing?

>>24465689
Role-playing and writing. I want to draw now too.

>>24465694
You don't enjoy writing.

>>24465700
How do you know that? I've written plenty before.

>>24465706
>can't write for more than 30 seconds
>I heckin love writing!

>>24465827
I've been writing ever since I was 12 years old and I even specified that this is a new problem for me in the OP.

>>24465833
Sounds like you enjoyed writing, past tense.
You don't enjoy writing.

>>24465842
I've been writing and role-playing every day for the past few years. So, no. That's not true either. I'm having trouble writing a full story.

What is more ridiculous than idiots spamming books in every direction 24/7 and overwhelming everyone with their garbage? The idiots who admire the spammers and yet cannot force themselves to spam books of their own.

>>24465916
have you tried writing a story about a guy that can't do anything despite wanting to? various characters try to help him, give him advice, try to trick him into doing things, but it all fails. i don't know what the conclusion would be... i'll leave that up to you lol

you have deep personal knowledge and experience in this area, so it would be easy to write. plus, it could be therapeutic in some way.

>>24465963
I wish I could but it's simply impossible for me to do, due to my ADHD, which no other artist has ever had.

>>24465967
oh, what's that like? tell me more.

>>24465972
Well you see it's lik... I'm bored. I simply can't do this!

>>24465973
haha that's good. that's exactly what this character would say! wish i could read more about him...

so y dont u kys rn? u know its the only way

>>24465842
How do I make myself? I'm trying to do it right now and I can't.

>>24460157 (OP)
This is a modern day problem.
People only do things to "get good" at them. Not for the enjoyment, or the self enrichment, you just want to accomplish something for praise.

You realize life isn't a leaderboard, you don't have to accomplish stuff. You should be doing things you want to do in no particular order for fun, and because it interests you.
You don't get good at sewing so you can become a world famous fashion mogul, you don't learn 3D art to become rich off making movies. You do things because you enjoy them, and you're on no timeline other than what you self impose.

Balatro is a huge game made by a single guy who wanted to make a game for his friends and family, AND NO ONE ELSE. He actively refused to upload it anywhere because he didn't care. When he did it blew up and the reason it's good was because he didn't make it to get rich or be successful, it was solely for the love of making shit for fun.

You're obsessed with writing because you just want a finished product that you can show people. You have no vision for the end product, you have no love for the process, you find it's a chore to start. So why bother? Do something else that interests you.

>>24466683
Writing and drawing are what interest me. Why do you think I'm making this thread?

>>24466683
>You're obsessed with writing because you just want a finished product that you can show people. You have no vision for the end product, you have no love for the process, you find it's a chore to start
You're obsessed with writing because you just want a finished product that you can show people. You have no vision for the end product, you have no love for the process, you find it's a chore to start
Read
>>24461527
This is what it's like for every single hobby I've ever tried. It's not just for writing and drawing. It's for everything. Also, I just got done with an RP today, so it's not like I don't enjoy writing. But everything else has always been a chore for me thanks to my inattentive ADHD and lack of coordination to do anything.

>>24466683
>>You're obsessed with writing because you just want a finished product that you can show people. You have no vision for the end product, you have no love for the process, you find it's a chore to start
Read
>>24461527
This is what it's like for every single hobby that I've ever tried doing. Even when I was writing, people always told me when I said that writing was getting tiring and stressful for me. I've never been able to commit myself to any serious hobby ever. Even non creative ones or just anything in general.

I want to draw, I want to write, I want to create things. I have love, passion and ideas. Now, are you going to give me advice or not?

>>24466686
They interest you to a very shallow point that you don't the mental fortitude to overcome.

>>24466704
Yeah, I've heard that for every single hobby I've ever tried doing. It's not true now, and it wasn't true back then.

Give me actual advice.

>>24466712
>It's not true
>I can't write for more than 30 seconds!

>>24466715
Yes, as is the case for everything. Even playing video games is a chore. So, what do I do? I have ADHD.

>>24466712
You are your actions buddy, and your actions show you don't actually care.

>>24466718
Oh shit you have ADHD? That changes everything.

>>24466719
Then do I not care about literally anything at all?

>>24466686
>>24466702
You made this thread to complain that you aren't progressing fast enough or accomplishing anything based on your arbitrary timeline.

Anon I really don't give a shit, I'm just replying out of curiosity. You sound like an insufferable faggot who's preoccupied with other shit in your life. Maybe when you retire you'll find the energy to do shit you want.

>>24466719
Then was I writing and roleplaying for 10 years because I secretly didn't actually care, or want to do anything creative?

>>24466718
The only advice I can give to a dipshit like you is to stay off your phone 1 hour before bed, read a physical book, avoid screen time before bed and you'll find you will "cure" your "ADHD"

>>24466728
No, it's because I can't make myself do literally anything for more than thirty seconds and accomplish any kind of progress or timeline at all. What do I do?

>>24466725
Yeah. You won't be the first or the last. Most people get out of it through effort and discipline, but you clearly severely lack both of those virtues.
>>24466729
People change.

>>24466728
>an insufferable faggot who's preoccupied with other shit in your life
based on how often this thread gets reposted, seems likely

>>24466736
So then what do I do? Give up on literally doing anything and just lay in bed rotting? Because that's what I've been doing for years.

>>24466734
>>24466729
Why don't you stick to your gay diaper furry roleplay. If you can't write a book then you simply don't want to write a book, it's as simple as that faggot. If you don't enjoy the process then you're just incapable.

>>24466741
Sounds miserable doesn't it? You should try to do something about it.

>>24466742
I do enjoy the process of writing. Hence why I roleplay. And I've written a couple of stories before. So what do I do?
>>24466743
Okay, so how do I stop?

>>24466741
That's what most of humanity does. You have delusions of grandeur, unless you lock in and accomplish something you'll just be like most people, how horrible

>>24466746
I'm not you. You have to figure it out.

>>24466748
Okay, so what do I do to stop myself from doing that, and actually make the things I want to make?

>>24466746
Why don't you stick to your gay diaper furry roleplay

>>24466751
Why do you think I'm making this thread? I have tried to figure it out, and I can't. So what do I do?
>>24466756
I want to write stories instead of roleplaying. Hence, why I made this thread. Give me advice on how to do so.

>>24466753
Use Chatgpt and prompt it to write a story for you.

>>24466761
You won't use any advice you get. You'll say "I'm a dumb fag with ADHD I can't do anything!" and make another thread.

>>24466764
I want to write it myself. What do I do?

>>24466768
Nothing, you're clearly incapable.

>>24466767
Actually, I just recently drew because of someone else's advice. So, that's not the case. Give me advice that works for me.

>>24466761
why don't you just write down what your roleplay characters are saying? two people talking is a story, you don't need descriptions.

>>24466771
My ten years of writing and roleplaying say otherwise.

>>24466772
>actually these 200 posts of evidence are not true

>>24466777
And I own a living dragon and a billion dollars.

>>24466774
I want to make good descriptions. I also want to draw characters rather than write them. What do I do?
>>24466778
You forcing words into my mouth isn't evidence.
>>24466779
Stop giving me these blithe non responses in hopes that the thread magically dies faster.

Hey OP what would happen if you didn't eat breakfast yesterday?

>>24460157 (OP)
>I've tried forcing myself to write, but can only make myself write a couple of sentences for barely 30 seconds before stopping and looking at my phone again.
>sitting in my room, laying in bed, jerking off and going to sleep or looking at my phone
>Basically just laying in bed looking at my phone until I have to go to work or eat lunch, then I come home and do the same thing.
Why do you have your phone anywhere near you when you are trying to get work done? Log off. Go grab a notebook and sit under a tree somewhere without your phone. Reading your posts it literally just sounds like you have an internet addiction. You have a distraction machine within arms reach at all times and you are wondering why you are getting distracted.

>>24466781
>hitting bump limit is "magically" going to kill the thread
we got 20 more posts, I'm just helping you along to stop shitting up the board with this worthless shit.

Go somewhere else for this shit. Talking to you is impossible. If you couldn't find an adequate answer after 300 replies then it's on you. Just ask chatgpt, you clearly need something to suck you off

>>24466781
>I want to make good descriptions.

then just have a third character called the narrator that's looking at the two other characters and giving a monologue on what he sees.

>I also want to draw characters rather than write them.

have you tried tracing?

>>24466785
>my phone distracts me from doing anything
>but I can't go without my phone for references

>>24466791
I've done all that before and it's not as satisfying as drawing it out. Everything I'd want to write would be better for a visual medium.
>have you tried tracing?
Trying to, but again, I don't have a usable printer.
>>24466792
And all my work is done on my PC along with everything else.

>>24466783
I also want to draw things that I happen to be hyper fixating on. Robots, aliens, mecha, just anything. I've never been able to finish a full story, and even the idea of writing a full length story feels so daunting and exhausting. I'm not even looking for a realistic artstyle, more of a cartoony/comic book art style.
I want to make stories in a visual medium. All of the stories that I want to make would require a visual medium more than a literary one. It's impossible for me to actually write about any of the ideas I want to write about since they'd all fit something visual.

>>24466794
You got 12 more posts until this shit thread hits bump limit. Hopefull you get banned if Mods do their job.

Again, you're too stupid for any normal methods. Stick to Chatbots

>>24466799
Am I too stupid for anything then?

>>24466785
>>24466794
>>24466798
You don't need anything but a pencil and something to write and draw on. Writers wrote just fine before the internet. Artists drew just fine before the internet. Go pick up a book if you need references.
You're at the point where your brain doesn't even see a need to get out of bed because you can still browse on your phone while lying in it. If you cannot bite this bullet you will continue rotting in your bed until you die.

>>24466807
Everything I want to trace is online. I'll try using a printer somewhere else I guess? I've even rented a couple of art books and didn't even look at them.

>>24466807
How do I actually force myself to draw? I've been wanting to draw for nearly 2 years now and have barely made any progress towards that goal. I've only done one Loomis face like 2 years ago and haven't done any exercises or line work since then. I've been trying to get myself to draw, but all of it looks too complicated and exhausting for me. I've tried multiple different strategies, but they never seem to work. I've tried forcing myself to draw, but can only make myself draw circles for barely 30 seconds before stopping and looking at my phone again.

I've got a couple of drawing books and a drawing tablet for my PC and barely touched them.

My shaky hands fuck up every drawing I make, and I can barely do lines without fucking them up. I can't use my shoulder, I only feel good using the motions of my fingers.

Test

>>24466832
>I FORCE myself to draw... for 30 seconds
You apply as much force as a baby's grip.

op is a nigger

>>24466870
Okay so what do I do?

>>24466718
ADHD just means you weren't spanked enough as a child, so you grew up to be an insufferable faggot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wua83tyJFPo
There is no advice for you. Either stop being such a whiny little bitch, or put yourself out of our misery.

>>24466962
How about giving actual advice?

>>24466962
>ADHD just means you weren't spanked enough as a child, so you grew up to be an insufferable faggot.
Autism is the same thing. We need to bring back corporal punishment.

>>24467243
Now fill in the rest of the owl.

>>24467200
yes. kys now. same thing i've been telling you all thread

>>24466777
Roleplaying... what exactly? What fandom are you roleplaying in? Just be honest and say you spent the 10 years jerking off talking to furries on discord and calling it "roleplaying".
I still can't believe a cum wipe like you has a job. What exactly is your job even? Do you get paid to sit in a corner in public bathrooms so people can wipe their ass with your face?

>>24467422
Does it matter as long as I'm writing?

>>24467422
Kek

>>24467298
Unless you actually have laurels to rest upon.

>>24460157 (OP)
Start small and work your way up I suppose. Don't tread writing as a unique skill. You don't start with a marathon when getting into running. If you can't finish multichapter stories, write more short stories.
Its far more motivating to have a list of finished short stories than yet another quagmire project you failed to finish. The latter makes one lose confidence while increasing the pressure to perform. Which can be good, but for some people such pressure just paralyzes them. Particularly you not enjoying the writing is a sign you should go easier on yourself with smaller goals not harsher with negative self talk.

>>24467911
I can't make myself do anything is the problem

>>24468305
you said you can manage 30 seconds, so why not do 30 seconds every day and eventually you will finish something?

>>24468305
is that why you haven't kys yet?

>>24468413
>>24468414
Because I can't usually make myself do that if at all.

>>24468530
thread is past bump limit. you should make a new one because we still haven't figured out a solution...

>>24468534
There is no solution. Don't make a new thread, for God's sake.

>>24468536
i don't know, i feel like we're really close to cracking it...

who's baking the new bread?