warging in the house of black and white edition

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old: >>24443970

>>24461656 (OP)
First for Dany getting blacked

>>24461656 (OP)
Second for Dany getting Victarion'd.

Is magic literally an asshole? Why is it so mean?

>>24461666
ur mom lol

t. magic

Aenys Blackfyre would have won the Great Council.

>>24461661
At this point the sluts been bleached, riced, blacked, mongoled, and who knows what else.

>>24461661
>Dany will get BLACKED while Danaerys will remain pure

Interesting, George, very interesting...

>>24461969
where does Daenero fit in all this? we need more information

If you are a fan of team black, bloodraven, old gods, blackwoods, or Valyria you should be killed

>>24462028
I'm a great other and Euron fan.
Fuck planetos.

>>24461975
Dany is getting blacked by Daenero, her half-summer islander half-brother (Rhaella was also blacked)

>>24461891
and Moonboyed for all I know

>>24461656 (OP)
Walk with me, my sweet summer child, and hear the tale of fat pink masts jutting into sopping wet myrish swamps and black nipples brushing against silk until her cunt became the world while in the privy the princess guzzled arbor gold and shat but the more she drank the more she shat until she was shitting brown water and around her the planks of the ship groaned like a fat man taking a shit while she cursed the gods and nuncle smiled as he broke his fast on black bread, bacon burned black, and mulled wine while capon-grease dribbled down his chin and onto the boiled leather of his jerkin for did she not know words are wind and dark wings bring dark words and a lannister always pays her debts and mayhaps this is nothing but a mummers farce and useless as nipples on a breastplate and the princess has been fucking lancel and moonboy for all nuncle knows and he is the blood of the dragon for the night is dark and full of terrors but where do whores go and jon snow knows nothing and near enough makes no matter so nuncle smiled and dipped the heel of his bread into clam chowder and prayed for half a hundred more heh har HODOR

>>24461656 (OP)
Why are western artists so afraid of drawing beautiful female characters?

>>24462398
Eastern ones too, apparently.

Moqorro is Marwyn

I like Grum's stuff, but holy shit bro, you were coming up with a name for the leader of the people who attack settlements close to the Wall and steal their shit, and the best you could come up with was """Man's Raider"""?
I expect that from JK Rowling, but not you.

there's more evidence for jonsa then there is of martin having written anything new in 15 years.

Let’s be real here. Dumb and Dumber destroyed George’s legacy just by being so fucking far up their own asses that they shit the bed into a crusty mess.

>The Liddle took out a knife and whittled at a stick. "When there was a Stark in Winterfell, a maiden girl could walk the kingsroad in her name-day gown and still go unmolested, and travelers could find fire, bread, and salt at many an inn and holdfast."

>"...but the old wolf's dead and young one's gone south to play the game of thrones, and all that's left us is the ghosts."

>"The wolves will come again," said Jojen solemnly.

>"And how would you be knowing, boy?"

>"I dreamed it."

>>24462593
George destroyed his own legacy with his sloth and hubris

It’s wierd to think in a couple years George will be a skeleton

Is this general substituting /got/ in /tv/? I can't find it over there

>>24462481
>I expect that from JK Rowling, but not you.
He has a dragon called drogon...

>>24462593
Faggot had all this time to cement it with a new book, but he chose not to
He did it himself

2026

>>24462593
>create book full of themes
>lets guys who think themes are gay adapt it
The show always sucked and its character cuts as early as episode 1 would inevitably force the show to be bad even if the books were finished. Jeyne Poole is an important character who only has to show up for half the show, but they cut her. But Sansa getting Raped by Ramsey and his Psychopath girlfriend? Or Ramsay torturing Theon? Or a bad pussy? That gets entire chunks of episodes. I also never see it mentioned how books 4 and 5 are not adapted. Feast is nowhere to be seen nor is Dance. Yet we always bitch the unfinished books not getting proper adaptations. They could not even adapt 4 and 5.

>>24462839
i mean i'm sure some people from there are here. but this is a general primarily about the books, this is not /got/.

>>24462590
Sansabros.....our response?

"Love is the death of duty"
...ok? so it's better to do your duty than follow your love? or should you forsake duty in favour of love? c'mon author, expound on your theme
overwhelmingly humans like/choose love, not sure why gurm built this hill to die on

>>24462624
why was robb excluded from that pic?

>>24463002
Jon knows nothing.
He's going to bang his sister (cousin) like a true Targaryen royal and he's goign to like it!

>>24462028
Stark fans too

>>24462481
he always dies it
>river lands
>river run
>westeros
>sothoryos
>Andalos
>mysterios
>the tooth

>>24462839
/got/ is full actors faggotry (literally) in the off season.

Ironborn are the least incestual people in Westeros.
>North
Has accepted case of uncle/niece incest: Jonnel Stark and his niece Sansa.
>V*lyrians
Obvious.
>Andal
Meekly accept Jaehaerys bullshit about master race.
>Wildlings
Craster.
>Rhoynar
Arianne always marries Oberyn matrilineary in ck2
>CHADronborn
Victarion rejects woman he considers attractive and marriage with who would be politically advantagous enough to win the kingsmoot simply because she is his niece and that's gross.

>>24463073
Because he's dead, I assume.
>>24463002
>as if she had been born on horseback
>sits up in a tower...waiting for some knight to rescue her
Funny how both of these could apply to Lyanna. You really can find her presence all over Jon's chapters if you're looking for it.

>>24463511
Most incestuous are ironborns just off the fact that Euron used to sodomize his younger brothers Aeron and Urrigon every night. Not even Targshits were that degenerate. Least incestuous is definitely the wildlings because according to Ygritte fucking anyone from your village is disgusting.

Do you agree with the Fat Man’s top 10 fantasy movies list?

10. Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981)
9. Beauty and the Beast (1946)
8. Pan’s Labyrinth (2006)
7. Dark City (1998)
6. Monty Python and the Holy Grail (1975)
5. Dragonslayer (1981)
4. Ladyhawke (1985)
3. The Wizard of Oz (1939)
2. The Princess Bride (1987)
1. The Lord of the Rings trilogy (2001~)

He didn’t like Excalibur (1981) and he made no mention of Conan the Barbarian (1982) or The Dark Crystal (1882).

>>24463567
If Euron makes the Ironborn incestuous then wildlings are the most incestuous because of Craster.

>>24463582
Why was 1981-1982 the sword & sorcery golden age of cinema?

>>24463587
He's only half wildling so no.

>>24463582
He’s right about Dragonslayer.
It’s really weird how well it holds up for its time—and Ulrich the wizard is on par with Gandalf.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cbCOE5cF3HA&pp=ygURVWxyaWNoIHRoZSB3aXphcmQ%3D

“there's more dungeons and dragons in that scene alone than in any other film ever directed”

>>24463591
The 80s in general was the golden age of fantasy film-making. Much more material. No lame cgi. If it did have cgi, it was very early and it was meant to accentuate—to fill in the gaps.

God this general sucks. Nothing of substance is ever talked about, and when something of substance is posted it is ignored. You’re all just annoying angry meme fags.

>>24463765
God, this post sucks. Nothing of substance was said. You're such an annoying angry meme fag.

>>24463765
ok so talk about something of substance then

>>24463002
sansa's story is specifially about her fantasies of knights and ladies being destroyed. she will no longer be the princess in he tower

similarly, jon grew up playing knight, as the dragonknight and florian; he grew up idolising the night's watch much like sansa idolised the south but his dreams are crushed when he goes north, much akin to sansa's who goes south
their stories have a shitton of parallels

We. Keep. On. Winning. fellow JonsaGODS

>>24463871
based jonsa truther

that said even if the parallels aren't evidence of their romance, they're still so well crafted. grrm has a knack for that shit

>>24463036
Egg's kids chose love over duty and doomed their house. Their uncle chose duty over love and wasted away on the wall. There's no winning whichever way you go.

>>24463862
Why? You guys ignore everything that isn’t “George le bad!”.

>>24463961
Your posts are boring and you should go to Reddit

>>24463871
>jonsafag posting showshit
color me shocked

>>24464010
all of those plot points happened in the books too. you are a showfag in denial

can someone share an update on grrm copium on TWOW release? when was the last time he talked about it?

>>24463871
>>24464010
also those captions remind me of something you'd see in a shitty mobile game ad, the ones that start like
LEVEL 1 BASTARD VS LEVEL 999 LADY
then one of them finds a magical sword and the other gets thrown down a mine shaft and they switch places

>>24464055
he CARES!!!
it was a couple of not blogs ago.

>Monty Python and the Holy Grail
>this is a good movie
Okay so George is retarded

>>24464107
he admires the ending

>>24464107
NI-

>>24463948
>There's no winning whichever way you go.
and therein lies the truth about why gurm can't finish the books

You’ll all be very angry when he actually releases Winds. It will end a decade of unhinged fan theorizing taken to religious levels. They’ll throw the book at the wall because “noooo- my decades long schizo theory is not truuuee, noooo-“, and they’ll wish he never released it, lmao.

You know I’m right too. Watch Moqorro turn out to be Marwyn and all the “naaah that’s retarded you’re retarded” people try their hardest to act like they “knew it all along”. This is only an example btw, I don’t care who/where Marwyn is (seriously though where is he).

>>24464156
bruh, the schizo theories are just a wsy to ease the pain.

>>24464156
Mindbroken

>>24464086
kek

>>24464156
the books are never coming out and your theories are retarded and gay

>>24462624
Is it actually true? I find it hard to believe that a chick can walk totally naked across a kingdom in medieval times without getting raped by some random fucker at least once, even when there's a good lord in charge. The Starks got assblasted by Lannister plot armor early on and then once the narrative turns now it feels like they get glazed endlessly as the most wholesome pupper chungus doggos that ever lived.

>>24463567
Ygritte only said that to manipulate Jon into dirtying his Stark seed with her filthy wildling genes.

>>24464156
Sneednigger post

I still can't believe Joffrey the Gentle is dead. He led the loyalists to victory during the Battle of Blackwater and brought the Reach back into the fold so that the good folk of King's Landing would no longer suffer from hunger. Like many glory-clad young kings in history he was slain too early. Poisoned by his enemies.

>>24462398
>animeslop

>>24461661
True, her final betrayal will be for her love of BSC(Big Sothoryos Cock)
It will turn out that the new lover she picks up in Volantis is secretly trying to assassinate her. Like Tywin being slow-dosed with poison by the Dornish to avoid suspicion, the Volantene traitor will inject his balls with very small amounts of poison. Every time Dany takes a BSC creampie she gets poisoned a little more. Eventually the plot is revealed when Tyrion (now Cuckhand of the Queen) licks the cum out of her pussy post-coitus and detects the familiar flavor of the same poison that he once encountered at Illyrio's manse. Illyrio and Varys are now fully invested in a successful fAegon and would rather thr Dragon Queen die before ever crossing the Narrow Sea. This reveal leads to Dany first burning Pentos, guaranteeing her reputation when she lands in Westeros.

Or maybe not, after all everyone knows Targshits are rotten to the core to begin with. It is known from the Arbor to the Wall. Babies know it in their cribs and old men know it with their last breaths. Targshits are fags. It is known. It is known.

Trvth Nvke Statvs: TRVE

>>24464515
>dirtying Stark seed with filthy wildling genes.
Already happened.

Why are zoomers so obsessed with cuck/interracial shit? Is the entire generation addicted to porn?

>>24464515
>>24464592
Starks are wildlings, thats all the """first men""" were until the Andals introduced modern technology like metallurgy and agriculture

>>24464605
Andal chuds stole metallurgy from the rhoynar

OFFICIAL WORLD OF ICE AND FIRE RACIAL PECKING ORDER
>Highest: Erudite and civilized
>Lowest: Barbaric subhumans
Andals
Crannogmen
Braavosi
Rhoynar
Volantene Purebloods
Skagosi
Lhazareen
Tyrosh-Lys-Myr Mutt Zone
First Men-Wildling Genetic Commonality
Asshai'i
Ghiscari(forma de degeneracíon)
Pentoshi
Qartheen
Summer Islanders
Yi Tish-Lengese Squinteye Chromosome Group
Sothoryosi
Dothraki
Deep Ones
Sarnori
Essosi Intermixed Slave Masses
Ironborn
Fleabottom Natives
Ironborn (Lonely Light Inbreeding Zone)
Italians
Ibbenese
Gypsies
Circassians
Targshits

>>24464695
Crannogmen should be at the top. Access to magics, doesn't fuck with anyone else unless provoked, epic guerilla warfare style. Also every single crannogman we actually met has been pure based to the point there is are more theories of Howland being a secret agent than there are people who fucked Cersei

>>24464055
he had a meltie a few weeks ago. it's never coming out

>>24464718
He had a *stinkie* not a meltie

>>24464515
Stark seed thrives in wildling puss

>>24464732
Yet Ygritte never grew heavy with child, nor did her duds swell up nice and jiggly and leaky with delicious mothermilk.

>>24464732
Its the opposite, wildling pussies are able to detect Stark cocks at which point they instinctively milk it desperately, their bodies will also ovulate on the spot, its an evolutionary mechanism

>>24461891
>only like me andals
>only like me faith o' the seven
simple as

Anybody else find it strange that wildlings call it moon tea as well?

>>24464859
They should call it POON tea because that's what it clears out

They should call it POO tea because that's what it's made of (seriously look up historic abortifacents used around the Mediterranean)

they should call it putty because the thought of whores needing to get rid of unwanted babies like that makes me soft as clay

>>24463235
>>river lands
>>river run
Those two I can ignore, because geographic areas are always named something stupid, especially if there's some outside conqueror shit like Valyria involved.

>>24462398
>Why are western artists so afraid of drawing beautiful female characters?
>posts kindergarten cartoons...

>>24463002

>>24463582
>He didn’t like Excalibur (1981)

He's a dumbass.

>and he made no mention of Conan the Barbarian (1982)

Shitty Robert E. Howard adaption but a cool fantasy flick.

>or The Dark Crystal (1882).

meh.

>>24464107
>Hide post

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>WINDS OF WINTER COMING MARCH 2026
>WINDS OF WINTER RELEASE DATE
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>WINDS OF WINTER RELEASE DATE

tor.com/updates/GRRM/breaking_news/windsofwinter/go_php?30

>>24465018
I somehow doubt that tor.com has a GRRM/updates/breaking_news/windsofwinter section on their website.

>>24462398
Here's some Chinese art.

Grim

>>24464992
too old to be Val

>>24465047
>Depicting ANY Targshit in an attractive light instead of Habsburg-chinned El Abominacion[TM]s

>Rhaegar, silver head
>Lyanna, dark of hair
>Issue: Jon Snow, dark of hair
Ned Stark: Yeah, seems fair
>Robert, dark of hair
>Cersei, golden head
>Issue: Joffrey, golden head
Ned: AIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEE

So much for so-called Northern "honor" when the Lord of Winterfell would happily seize any excuse to try and steal the throne from his own best friend's son and rightful heir. Eddard's treason helped open the way to King Joffrey the Gentle's evil uncles to try to stake their claim as well. The entire realm bled for what? So the direwolf of Stark could feast on the flesh of the innocent, as they did at the Red Wedding when the "Young Wolf" showed his true colors when he transformed into a monster and attacked his hosts? Thank the Seven that gallant Joffrey had his lord grandsire Tywin Lawgiver by his side to steer the young king through such dangerous straits.

>>24465246
chad magical incest doesn't care about your virgin irl genetics

I like the Targs tb qh

I read ASOIAF all in one go in an omnibus edition and now I don't know the name of the books or what happened in what book

>>24465259
>Ned, dark of hair
>Catelyn, auburn of hair
>Robb, Sansa, Bran, Rickon, auburn of hair
Ned: *no comment*

>>24465301
same.
it's supposed to be a single book anyway, so that should be the way to do it.

>>24465315
Ned: Cersei's kids, howeveeerrre....

>>24463582
>5. Dragonslayer (1981)
Based

>He didn’t like Excalibur (1981)
Cringe.

>>24464055
>can someone share an update on grrm copium on TWOW release? when was the last time he talked about it?
A few weeks ago in his bitter seething Not-A-Blog post. He says he 'cares' about TWOW, but he doesn't even try to pretend that he's actually working on it.

>>24465315
Ned was horned by Edmure. It is known.

could a faceless man kill melisandre or bloodraven?

>>24465259
>>24465315
Not how it played out.
Both of the king's brothers and your shared foster father, who was former hand, said "them babies ain't his", and that they were gathering evidence, looking for he king's various bastards.
And before he did anything rash, Eddard outright asks Cerci if they're Robert's kids and she says no they are Jamie's lol.

>>24464695
Where are NorvosCHADS?

>>24465466
The faceless men certainly think they can kill Bloodraven, thats probably why the one known as Jaqen H'ghar was in a black cell with Rorge and Biter (One is hairy with thick black hair the other very pale, literally a black and white man since they're agents of the faceless men) about to be sent to the Wall. Go there then go North to find and kill Bloodraven. Why he killed and stole Pats face and is in the Citadel now who knows, he might have new orders/ goal

>>24465466
No, the first thing a sorcerer learns is how to spot assassins.
>Melisandre paid the naked steel no mind. If the wildling had meant her harm, she would have seen it in her flames. Danger to her own person was the first thing she had learned to see, back when she was still half a child, a slave girl bound for life to the great red temple. It was still the first thing she looked for whenever she gazed into a fire.

>>24465813
>Cressen bros never stood a chance

STANNIS IS ALIVE

>>24465466
Red priests and green seers are diviners of information. They’re counters to assassination attempts. This is one of the reasons why I find it hard to believe that the faceless men “just assassinated” the mages upkeeping the fourteen flames (the Targaryens obviously helped them).

>>24465532
>Ned comes to court and announces Joff is a bastard
>Joffrey asks Ned if he's willing to back up his claims with evidence at a formal court hearing
>Ned agrees and tells the court of Jon Arryn's last words, that being "the seed is strong". Ned claims it refers to the Baratheon's bloodline.
>Ned brings up all the other examples of Baratheon black winning out against the Lannister blonde, then points to Joffrey and siblings' hair colours.
>Joffrey asks Grand Maester Pycelle whether there were any known cases of children inheriting after their mother yet still being legitimate
>Pycelle brings up Baelor Breakspear, Prince Matarys, Daeron son of Maekar, Duncan son of Aegon, Rhaenys daughter of Rhaegar and Alyssa Targaryen. He adds that even among house Blackfyre, there were two, Daemon and Calla, who both inherited from their mother instead of their father. All of these examples, yet all of them were legitimate and not rumored to be bastards.
>IF RLJ is true, then Ned here likely also thinks of Jon having Lyanna's features rather than Rhaegar's, which would make him doubt his own claim.
>He tells the court about Cersei admitting to him that she and Jamie are lovers. His evidences end here.
>Joffrey points out that Lord Arryn's last words could refer to anything and Ned has no evidence that points to it actually referring to Robert.
>He points out that that Baratheon-Lannister baby is one baby, one occasion where the Baratheon black beat out the Lannister blonde. A single occasion cannot be substantiated as actual evidence.
>He also asks Ned whether he thinks his 4 children with Tully features are also all illegitimate too. Perhaps the children of Catelyn and Edmure? Or maybe Ned's seed is not strong? Either way Ned answers he is either a hypocrite or shames himself in front of everyone.
>Lastly Joffrey asks Cersei if he said such a thing to Lord Stark (that she and Jamie are lovers)
>Cersei denies telling that to Lord Stark
>Joffrey asks if Ned has any witnesses to that conversation
>Ned replies that Varys or Littlefinger must have had spies there who heard.
>Joffrey asks Varys and Littlefinger if they had heard of this conversation from their spies
>They both deny it

>Ned's claim has been DESTROYED with FACTS and LOGIC.
>Ned is given a chance to plead for mercy
>If he does he is given a pardon and made to swear an oath of loyalty to King Joffrey and his family. After that he is allowed to go home, but Sansa and Arya are to remain as hostages. Ned keeps to this oath for the rest of his life, since he is honourable and also doesn't want anything to happen to Sansa and Arya.
>If he denies, he gets imprisoned. When Robb raises his banners, he is given the ultimatum to stand down and swear loyalty and have his father and sisters returned, or have all three of them be executed. Robb likely stands down. If he doesn't, let things play out and red wedding him.
it's as shrimple as that

>>24463235
>>24464961
riverrun is a finnegan's wake reference that one doesn't count

>>24465532
>Ned comes to court and announces Joff is a bastard
>Joffrey asks Ned if he's willing to back up his claims with evidence at a formal court hearing
>Ned agrees and tells the court of Jon Arryn's last words, that being "the seed is strong". Ned claims it refers to the Baratheon's bloodline.
>Ned brings up all the other examples of Baratheon black winning out against the Lannister blonde, then points to Joffrey and siblings' hair colours.
>He tells the court about Cersei admitting to him that she and Jamie are lovers. His evidences end here.

>Joffrey points out that Lord Arryn's last words could refer to anything and Ned has no evidence that points to it actually referring to Robert.
>He asks Grand Maester Pycelle whether there were any known cases of children inheriting after their mother yet still being legitimate
>Pycelle brings up Baelor Breakspear, Prince Matarys, Daeron son of Maekar, Duncan son of Aegon, Rhaenys daughter of Rhaegar and Alyssa Targaryen. He adds that even among house Blackfyre, there were two, Daemon and Calla, who both inherited from their mother instead of their father. All of these examples, yet all of them were legitimate and not rumored to be bastards.
>IF RLJ is true, then Ned here likely also thinks of Jon having Lyanna's features rather than Rhaegar's, which would make him doubt his own claim.
>He also asks Ned whether he thinks his 4 children with Tully features are also all illegitimate too. Perhaps the children of Catelyn and Edmure? Or maybe Ned's seed is not strong? Either way Ned answers he is either a hypocrite or shames himself and/or his wife in front of everyone.
>Lastly Joffrey asks Cersei if he said such a thing to Lord Stark (that she and Jamie are lovers)
>Cersei denies telling that to Lord Stark
>Joffrey asks if Ned has any witnesses to that conversation
>Ned replies that Varys or Littlefinger must have had spies there who heard.
>Joffrey asks Varys and Littlefinger if they had heard of this conversation from their spies
>They both deny it

>Ned's claim has been DESTROYED with FACTS and LOGIC.
>Ned is given a chance to plead for mercy
>If he does he is given a pardon and made to swear an oath of loyalty to King Joffrey and his family. After that he is allowed to go home, but Sansa and Arya are to remain as hostages. Ned keeps to this oath for the rest of his life, since he is honourable and also doesn't want anything to happen to Sansa and Arya.
>If he denies, he gets imprisoned. When Robb raises his banners, he is given the ultimatum to stand down and swear loyalty and have his father and sisters returned, or have all three of them be executed. Robb likely stands down. If he doesn't, let things play out and red wedding him.
it's as shrimple as that

>>24465004
Excalibur sucked. Merlin sucked.

>>24465259
Other Lannister/Baratheon couplings produced black hair and blue eyes. Not to mention Robert’s other Bastards produced similar results.

>>24463629
It's probably the best live action Disney movie ever. And not only thanks to the Brits.

>>24464598
>Why are zoomers
Get checked for ZDS (Zoomer Derangement Syndrome)

>>24461719
Bloodraven is a liar and a coward and should have been executed as an existential threat to Westeros
>24462383
Still isn't funny. No (You) for you.
>>24463235
Hurr hurr... they named the northern region of America NORTH America and the southern region of America SOUTH America. Bravo
>>24463582
No Labyrinth, no likey.

>>24464055
>>24464718
Elio said that it's coming out one way or another. That means dead or alive, they WILL force a book out of George.

>>24465993
>>24464961
it just hit me that the name of my village is in Aramaic and it means river run kek

>>24466004

You suck!

lmao

>>24466500
Why is 4chan* so obsessed with cuck/interracial shit? Is the entire website addicted to porn?

>>24466788

What do you guys even do anymore that's ASOIAF related?

I probably think about the series every day and I'll occasionally listen to some youtubers but it's definitely fading. I'm sure there will be more discussion when HotD or Dunk and Egg is back on tv. I actually have a show-universe theory that permeates into real life and why George hates Condal because it'll affect how Season 8 is interpreted that I want to write up, but I'm kind of sitting on it for now. I might write it up and post it here and maybe later on /r/asoiaf but I don't have the video editing skills to make a youtube video about it.

we need Davos and Moneo Atreides in a buddy-cop fanfiction
both majordomos to monsters

>>24466770
it's a sopranos joke lol.

>>24466820
>but I don't have the video editing skills to make a youtube video about it.
make it a bunch of slides of characters' art with your voiceover.
i bet no one "watches" theory videos. not just me.

>>24465539
stuck guarding dornish princes

King Joffrey the Gentle? More like King Joffrey the Gentile...

>>24466989

>>24467564

>>24464695
crannogmen and ironborn are distinct cultures from the rest of the north but they are ethnically, racially first men
also brindled men and jogos nhai belong up top

>>24467702
are ironoids really FM though? the children broke the landmass connecting westeros and essos because the FM weren't seafarers and would not be able to migrate across anymore

>>24467798
being able to sail a ship in ASOIAF is presumably not a genetic thing like dragon riding is.
the world of ice and fire says that the in-universe commonly accepted origin of the ironborn is that they descend from first men that sailed to the islands thousands of years ago. maybe the children brought the hammer of water down and then they learned to sail when they were already in westeros. or they always knew how to sail but it just wasn't a big part of first men culture for whatever reason.
there is also another theory posited in the book that they descend from a group of people that came from the west of westeros (clearly retarded).
plus the full title the king has is "King of the Andals, the Rhoynar, and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, and Protector of the Realm" - it acknowledges that he is the ruler of the ironborn and their kingdom but does not acknowledge them as a distinct race. and that's because they're just first men with a unique culture separate from the main one in the north.

It's frustrating how the books go from some genuinely good scenes to extremely dumb and juvenile dialogue.

I really wish the fat man was less perverted and childish.

>>24467862
Everyone around Dany is a caricature.

>>24467875
It's not just characters around Dany. Look at pic related for another example. I know Robert is supposed to be more crass by nature, but how ridiculous is it that he just starts talking about Cersei's "cunt" to a third party?

I'm not bothered by swears on their own, but it seems very childish. It's as if fatso thinks that if he shoves as many swears in the dialogue as possible it makes it more mature and intellectual.

the forums at westeros.org have had plenty of decent threads through the years, the heresy topics are quite good, linking another


https://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/159679-wow-i-never-noticed-that-vol-19/#comments

>Aegon the Dragonbane was the 7th Targaryen king, and during his reign the last dragon died ,giving another importance to the number 7.


>With regard to horseback riding, Hodor, and the Water Gardens, I agree, I see the connection via Bran. Bran uses Hodor literally and metaphorically as a horse, taking control of his body and his mind. The Water Gardens mirrors the weirwood net, with the children mirroring the Children of the Forest, and Doran Martell mirroring Bloodraven. Doran's chair is made of ebony, Bloodraven's "chair" is made of weirwood, so the two men complement one another. ...

ETA: The Whispers is another mirror of the wwnet;

>>24468042
do those things have a hidden meaning or is it the fat man fellating himself?

>>24467862
>>24467887
I've heard much worse and more often from older and less educated people in bars in my country. Are you an American zoomer by any chance?

>>24463036
Jon obviously chose duty over love in ASOS. His entire plotline there is him agonising over his personal desires and doing the right thing and it culminates with him rejecting Stannis' offer and embracing the role of the Lord-Commander. And then he turned his back on duty to rescue who he thought was Arya in ADWD and paid the price.

>>24468058
oh man are you in for a treat? the fat man rarely writes things without context or meaning behind them, that is why its so fun to pickup clues in his works

imo, his books work on 3 levels, the actual story, some sort of historical context and modern world paralleling the story, and thirdly contexts and symbolisms in the story in itself, which is the moat fun aspect as a reader and thus lends more readability to asoiaf

for eg, the below, on paper, you have the story that jon is in danger, he is sticking to his vows, and bran saves him

there is an inworld historical context as in a queen (the kneeler admin, their rules and laws) visited that place and now a man is being asked to be killed because he lighted a fire against a cold night, a smaller version to kindling civilisation in a wild place

the third context is that grrm used to be a champion chess master in his time and acted as a referee for many competitions as a side gig

I think you are exactly right about Bran protecting Jon. Strange synchronicity, since I just had the same thought earlier today, after doing some research on the 'castling' manoeuvre :). If you think about it, the layout (without the pieces) of a chess board is a perfectly symmetrical square, so from the perspective of either player one may draw a line down the center of the board -- between the king and the queen -- which to my mind represents the Wall. That means everything to the left of that line is 'south' of the Wall; and everything to the right is 'north' of the Wall (fittingly, Queenscrown is located just south of the Wall, just like on the chessboard).

Recently, @LynnS pointed out the significance of Bran and Jon travelling in opposite directions to each other, with their trajectories crossing in real time at Queenscrown (we were trying to figure out the mechanics of the 'weirwood sapling dream' which is still infuriating us!) Anyway, applied to the chess board, Bran as rook starts out 'queenside' -- i.e. to the 'left' of that central line --cooped up in the furthest left corner representing Winterfell. I love your description of him as the caged and 'chained wolf', who is then released into the game, assuming increasing centrality in the action as he travels northwards -- i.e. towards the 'right' on the board -- and eventually becoming the 'winged wolf'!

>>24468114
@Black Crow was 100% correct in his 'heresy' stating that the 'real game' would not be played in the South, but North towards the Wall. In fact, according to my analogy, the Wall represents the central position in the game! Jon, moving in the opposite direction to Bran, crosses over the Wall, leaving his 'rook' behind 'kingside' north of the Wall -- i.e. Ghost...yes, the direwolves are the rooks (reflected in how in some chess sets the rooks are represented as wolfskin-clad beserkers...i.e. skinchangers!) Because he is without his rook, Jon is now in an exposed position, meaning Bran the rook who started the game furthest away from him must now leap into action to cover for Jon.

If you read the passage in question, Jon actually thinks when he sees the direwolf that it's Ghost who has 'leapt over the Wall', when in actual fact it's Bran who has figuratively leapt over the wall of Queenscrown (by skinchanging Summer while his human body remains at the top of the tower). In 'chess terms' the rook has moved three spaces to the right coming to occupy the space formally occupied by the queen, which is a way of leaping over a wall too. Best of all, this in turn then allows the king to leap over the rook, coming to land on the opposite side to safety -- which is exactly what Bran-as-Summer-rook in his queenside castling manoeuvre facilitates for Jon, finally bringing him conclusively to safety on the adjacent square formerly occupied by the bishop (I guess 'bishops' could represent Castle Black...maybe because of their monastic lifestyle!)

I really liked these. While I agree with both that it is generally a defensive move, it actually can be extremely offensive as well (especially as the chess board gets less and less crowded), as usually it opens up the rook's path and makes it more central (not in that specific move, but in later moves). So, it opens up options for the rook as well as hiding the king.

It is also interesting because if Jon is the King and Bran is the rook, then he quite literally protected Jon while warging Summer in the wildling incident when they were in the Queenscrown.

Also, since the castling can be offensive and defensive at the same time by releasing powers of the rook, it would fit very nicely with Bran as the "chained wolf" that gets released into the north after getting to BR and passing Jon on the way.

>>24468124
If you read the passage in question, Jon actually thinks when he sees the direwolf that it's Ghost who has 'leapt over the Wall', when in actual fact it's Bran who has figuratively leapt over the wall of Queenscrown (by skinchanging Summer while his human body remains at the top of the tower). In 'chess terms' the rook has moved three spaces to the right coming to occupy the space formally occupied by the queen, which is a way of leaping over a wall too. Best of all, this in turn then allows the king to leap over the rook, coming to land on the opposite side to safety -- which is exactly what Bran-as-Summer-rook in his queenside castling manoeuvre facilitates for Jon, finally bringing him conclusively to safety on the adjacent square formerly occupied by the bishop (I guess 'bishops' could represent Castle Black...maybe because of their monastic lifestyle!)

Less obtuse, I think Bran has performed this type of move covering for Jon before. Remember Catelyn's curious and cruel comment to Jon at Bran's coma bedside, 'It should have been you, bastard.'

Note that Bran already resembles a bird --not only in the fall which was like taking a flight of sorts, but his body comes across to Jon as birdlike... i.e. a rook! And by falling from the First Keep (which @Frey family reunion has likened to the 'first king' or 'king' chess piece), Bran has symbolically fallen in the stead of the 'king'. In other words, he's taken the fall for Jon -- effectively allowing him to make his way north, while he remains behind at Winterfell.

>the King pieces in the Isle of Lewis chess sets, seated with his sword on his knees is basically the model for the Stark kings in the crypts

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_chessmen

>>24468100
ok, so gurm's thesis here is that we must ALWAYS do our duty? no matter what? if it gets our loved ones killed?
even if it means guarding a rapist and obvious mad king?
what is he trying to say?

The board Christians are coming to proselytize in this thread. wat do?

What's Arianne's body count?

>>24468332
only maesters can count that high

Is killing slavers morally right?

>”slavery is bad!” Said the queen of the rapist slavers, wife of the biggest rape slaver of all, whom she got horny for and fell in love with after he raped her, and who will lead her army of rape slavers to rape and enslave an entire continent

>>24467862
>>24467875
I can't help but feel Vis in specific is inconsistent as a character, I get his purpose in the story and feel pity for him, but he is still inconsistent

>>24467887
With Robert it makes sense because if alcholics do often talk really crass but there's a lot of gratuitous lines

are the dothraki mongols or PIE steppe warriors?

>>24468681
Uruk hai

>>24467875
Dany's early arc seems very much geared towards making people love her and pity her. As such Viserys has to be villainized even though when you think about it the kid's been through some gnarly shit and taken the brunt of the burden
They were literally homeless when Illyrio found them and underweight yet Dany did not die of starvation. If you do the math, Viserys needed to be smarter than he was in canon

>>24468665
I hope kind of that she is a villain and not just a Mary Sue. I see her as a villain, her backstory is basically a traumatic villain backstory

>>24466993
He was really blond?

>>24467862
>>24468706
I think Viserys was just severely autistic. Genuinely able to diagnose him with autism as someone who worked as a shrink for a bit. He has no concept of socially appropriate behaviour even beyond the abuse of Dany, his speech patterns are odd, his tantrums get worse when he is overwhelmed and he is constantly huffing perfume to try to come himself down, which children with autism do irl. He is constantly complaining of smells even though he was a hobo and should be used to it as well, because autistic people have a stronger sense of smell. There is no contradiction then between his utter social stupidity and ability to keep Dany alive and memorise random texts about his history as a child

>Viserys had autism
>Stannis the Mannis was part Targ
Oh no

>>24468461
They are brown slavers so its colonialism because of Dany's skin color

>>24468706
>If you do the math, Viserys needed to be smarter than he was in canon
That's the thing. It would be easy for George to pivot and show that Viserys actually suffered a lot and was right to be paranoid in certain ways, but every time he has been brought up again, George literally lays the law down that he was just a crazy individual who deserved what happened to him. Looking at Viserys in a different light makes more sense than what happened to Jamie.

>>24468910
I always thought it was going to reveal that he got raped or prostituted himself to feed Dany as a kid because there is so much emphasis on underage prostitutes and fetishists trafficking white-haired children in the story, which would then pivot nicely to Dany going crazy because that's very humiliating to a princess

>>24468910
He had a posthumous moment where he helped Dany figure out how to feed the dragos. He loved reading about them and would always talk to anyone who wanted to hear about them (another argument for the autism). The moment was cut out of the film for another moment of Dany flexing on how he didn't really know a thing

>>24468910
>>24468943

All the claims by Viserys about "Robert's assassins!" was bullshit promoted by Illyrio and his agents to keep Viserys and Daenerys paranoid and under his thumb.

Did Tyrion really spend an entire book to get to Meereen? I know it’s more “realistic” but this is probably the filler-est the series ever got.
>1 chapter of sulking with Illyrio
>3 chapters of hanging out with Griff and company
>1 chapter of cussing out Jorah when captured
>2 chapters on a ship to Meereen
>3 chapters as slaves and linking with the Second Sons
Most of that could have been off-page, especially the latter half.

And then in the Winds preview chapters, he’s still fucking talking with the Second Sons and idling his time. It takes two sample chapters, even though Brown Ben Plumm was pretty obviously game by the end of Dance.

>>24464717
You forget that supposedly there are still Children of the Forest living among them.

>>24465139
>Nobody show him the Black Company series.

>>24469198
George loves writing Tyrion, but it is clear he has little else to do until other pieces are put in play. Many characters suffer from this. The problem with Tyrion is that George can't convince himself to cut that shit down. 5 year gap yada yada...

>>24468093
I'm not American and I was born in 96, so right on the border of millennial and zoomer.
I don't have a problem with uneducated people swearing in bars, my point was that some characters behave in extremely juvenile ways that can't be excused with context.
I don't believe the king talking about the queen's cunt is good dialogue. I think it's just crass and retarded.

>>24469419
It's almost like Robert isn't supposed to be a very good king or something.

>>24469469
None of the people present in the story are.
Balon is a retarded psycho, Joffrey is a sadist psycho, Robert is a lecherous drunk, Robb was naive, tommen is young and dumb, Renly is a degen faggot, Stannis is a hardcore autist etc.

I think that's besides the point, though.

How will Littlefinger react to Aegon's campaign / taking of the throne? I don't think he has a chance of subverting it like he's done so far since Varys is so important to his regime, and he knows exactly what LF is about.

>>24469700
try to change his plan and marry Shansha to him instead only for him to have already knocked up Arianne by the time the emissary gets there

>>24468665
>13 year old girl becomes sex slave, after being sold into marriage
>ends slavery once she becomes powerful enough to do so
Yeah it's a real shocker, anon.

>On the other side of the line, another spearwife opened her ragged furs to show Jon a heavy white breast. "Does the baby want his momma? Come, have a suck o' this, boy."

In 3 generations this will be acceptable behaviour south of the wall.

>>24470054
Dany is a dumb fucking whore who is going to die

>>24470054
ignore the "it wasnt rape" shitposters or another thread will get wrecked

>>24469419
It's 100% in character for a horny dude like Robert to make a rude joke about his wife that he hates and her cunt to his best friend. People like that exist.

>>24470074
No it wont, all the wildlings will die during the NW coup

>>24469419
>"The whole concept of this character is he is a great dudebro but totally unequipped to handle the dignities of kinghood. He copes with it by further indulging in his dudebro persona and drinking himself towards an early grave, sullying the crown he wears in the process."
>Idk dude I don't think a REAL king would act like that!
They wrote an article about Reading Comprehension Award winners like you.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2024/11/the-elite-college-students-who-cant-read-books/679945/

>>24470519
>totally unequipped to handle the dignities of kinghood
Who is?

>Trolling

>>24470512
How? They outnumber everyone else.

>>24470546
Most are unarmed women children and oldfags and the ones who are fighting men will be caught unawares

>>24470546
there's a theory they were herded into a hall for food and mead and the hall will be set on fire

There's 0% chance the pro-immigrant hippie who writes this series will kill all the immigrants.

>>24470512
>No it wont, all the wildlings will die during the NW coup

There are only a handful of Nights Watch loyalists who supported the assassination of Jon Snow, the Wildings wildly outnumber them and they support Jon Snow.

>>24462290

>>24469198
Who do you think Dany would prefer to meet when she returns? The son of her most hated enemy whose shown up a beggar at her door, or the genius who schemed his way out of slavery to turn two sellsword companies to her side and win the battle for her? It's about the journey.
Not to mention the character arc for Tyrion of learning what living in the world without being his fathers son is actually like.

>>24470482
It's not surprising. One of the reasons right-wing ideology will never go away is that these people are absolutely incapable of putting themselves in other people's shoes, even when it's directly explained to them or they watch the events first hand, literally zero empathy because their brains are incapable of generating it. They have to experience the trauma for themselves or they simply don't get it. There's always going to be the pro-slavery, pro rape, pro-war, pro-racism group of morons who can't figure out why it's bad until they themselves are sold into slavery, maimed, or discriminated against.

>>24470768
very le smart

>>24470768
>wrecks the thread by bringing up politics

>>24464992

>>24470776
in a thread about seven part book series that's completely about politics

>>24470792
ok midwit

>>24463235
>westeros
>sothoryos

You know Asia just refers to the east in greek right? All geographic names are simple once you know the etymology.

>>24463582
>He didn’t like Excalibur (1981)
Who could? It started off well but then skipped having an entire second act and literally did a flash forward to the end of camelot.

Dark crystal is also pretty weak but I agree Conan is kino.

>>24463511
>Meekly accept
Ironborn were browbeaten into kissing Targ asses same as everyone else.

>in ck2
Anon...

>CHADronborn
Incest is so prevalent that two of the four Greyjoys present at Kingsmoot had sex with each other.
>that's gross
Not if it's bro on bro, apparently.

>>24470798
yeah okay, piece of shit

Jaime and cersei make more sense to be secret targaryens than tyrion does. their incest and jaimes arrogance about simply telling the world the truth, positing them as above the laws of gods and men. Not to mention cersei turning in a female aerys, consumed by cruelty, vanity, paranoia and an obsession with wildfire. Likely resulting in her and connington burning down kings landing

>>24461666
I think it's the idea of magic being an energy you have to pay for in some way, rather than just being omnipotence but extra steps. Still leaves the question of where it comes from, are the gods real or just anthropomorphisations of energy?

>>24470913
>Jaime and cersei make more sense to be secret targaryens than tyrion does.
Duh.

Also provides ultra-concentrated irony of Tywin kvetching about muh perfect children who are secretly bastards, while the one child he treated as a bastard was actually his only blood. As well as Robert's rebellion ending up just putting targ blood back on the throne unbeknownst to anyone (muh futility of war).

Sorta inconsequential, but just the kind of juicy kerfuffle that GRRM loved most about historical works he was inspired by.

*mogs your fantasy series and actually has an ending*
Nothing personnel, dragonchuds!

>>24468706
How did they even survive all that time given the size of roberts hate boner for everything Targraryen? Did no one ever look for them in Essos and deliver to robert?

>>24469198
He's turned into an old man where every anecdote turns into an hour long rambling story.
That and padding to fill time as he stopped caring about the books once the talks with HBO began. Barely anything happens across AFFC/ADWD meanwhile we had worldwide impacting moments in ASOS alone.

>>24470920
It’s clearly alive or aware or conditional to some degree. Nature would not entertain humans like that. Could be a lingering or ambient alien influence from long ago.

>>24470806
>Dark crystal is also pretty weak
It’s not weak if you have an imagination.

>>24470778
too ugly to be Val

is there ANY foreshadowing for King Bran?

>>24470805
that'd be "anatolia"
"asia" means "northwest" ironically
I think it comes from the hittites who used to call the northwestern part of anatolia "ashuwa" or something like that which the greeks then adopted for all lands to their east
east in greek is "anatolé"

>>24470983
the what from who?
if you're gonna say it mogs the fatman's garbage, at least post something that's actually known

>>24471103
How can you say that when stephen "the child orgy is necessary" king's dark tower series had such a great adaptation?

>>24470913
>>24470932
I think this sounds better, and I think George would agree, but I also think the problem is that George started book 1 thinking that Tyrion was Aerys's son. That has changed obviously, but it may have also forced a change in how George sets up the endgame.

According to George we haven’t seen any true wizards yet. He says Melisandre “just isn’t” an actual wizard when she was compared to Saruman in that one interview.

What does this mean? Does it mean that magic isn’t truly controllable or understandable? Or that everyone is closer to a dabbler?

>>24471152
I think she's not as proficient as she believes, Moqorro mentioned how poor her prophecy skill was. I imagine Euron/marwyn will be the closest we'll get to real wizards

>>24471136
It's crazy to think how much the story must have changed over the decades from his original plan.
Wonder what his original plan was for (F)Aegon or if he even existed

>>24471177
>Moqorro mentioned how poor her prophecy skill was
No he didn’t. It’s a relatively common misconception that Moqorro is “better”. His fire reading hasn’t been seen to be as far reaching as Melisandre’s, yet. Both can perform immediate divinations to foresee threats to their person.

>>24471177
Euron is a pure dabbler, like the warlocks he brought with him. Marwyn may or may not be a genuine magician.

>>24471152
>Does it mean that magic isn’t truly controllable or understandable? Or that everyone is closer to a dabbler?
Both, probably. True wizards were likely ancient ass green seers, or whoever ran the sorcerous infrastructure of Valyria, or whoever (or whatever) is responsible for the magic in-general.

>>24470240
robert...

It’s important to note that Gandalf wasn’t even human. He’s he equivalent of some alien sage sent down to guide lesser life.

He’s alien even to the alien elves (alien to men, not the planet), and he predates the planet itself, being around for its creation.

He’s numerous tiers above magicians of lesser capability. He’s like an AI overseer. Imparting casual understanding of nature.

If Jon comes back and is the same person, George is a hypocrite about the Gandalf situation. George insists that death needs to have a dramatic cost, and just doing some mind swap workaround would be a cop out of epic proportions.

>>24471246
>Imparting casual understanding of nature.
I like how Gandalf makes black powder to produce fireworks to entertain and make people happy, while Saruman goes on to make black powder for a destructive war. They’re polar opposites. It’s the same with Gandalf and Sauron - one (Gandalf) uses ignorance to enchant and inspire, while the other (Sauron) uses ignorance to form religion and dark cults. The black machines of Mordor are likened to black magic, or witchcraft, etc.

>>24471246
Yeah it’s like if some conveniently human shaped alien came down in a meteor and said “I’m from the broken moon lost long ago. Dragons were a mistake. I’m here to educate!”, and everyone just accepts that they’re basically “wizards”, more or less.

>>24471252
But we already know that resurrection chips away at a person, over time. Look at Beric. We just have to hope Jon will be brought back only once.

>>24471246
Tolkien himself said that Gandalf the White was the second most powerful being in Middle Earth after Sauron, and would be equal to Sauron if he took the ring. And Sauron was the closest thing to a god remaining in the mortal world, able to create things like the ring and the foundations of Barad-Dur that were indestructible by mortals, manipulate the weather and so on. So definitely above any ASOIAF characters.

Inhuman wizards are my favourite. Magic is meant to be alien, and this is why I love the Dark Crystal so much.

>>24471268
>So definitely above any ASOIAF characters.
As far as we’ve seen. I’m not convinced asoiaf isn’t an artificial world much like Tolkien’s world is. It’s just crueller, or left to its own devices. The powers-that-be are much more involved in Tolkien’s own creation, however less and less as time goes on. The primeval past of asoiaf may have been a truly alien one, or just totally unrecognizable, similar to middle-earth.

The planet was a playground for genetics or something. By something. They made abominations like wyrms and fish people and little tree people and big ape giants and tall thin men, etc. Humans (including all the weird ones like the tall men or the Ibbenese/Neanderthals) displaced all the rest, and stole their genetics, the way we did with Neanderthals. Valyrians stole the genetics of weird ass wyrms, which seem to be related to the fish people.

There’s something aquatic happening in the past. I don’t know what, though. Just my very soft (very dubious) hunch.

>>24471308
>The planet was a playground for genetics or something.

Planetos was colonized by humans from Earth at some point in our future, with some kinda disaster happening afterwards that knocked the human colonists back into a stone age where they forgot their origins.

1. Clam people discover magic at the bottom of the ocean in the form of deep sea vents.
2. Clam people get taken over by the lobster people.
3. The lobster people get taken over by the crab people.
4. The crab people get taken over by the seasnake people.
5. The seasnake people get taken over by the fishfrog people.
6. The fishfrog people turn the seasnake people into the very first sea serpents, or sea wyrms.
7. With their new mounts the fishfrogs set their eyes on the surface, and capture all the surfacer women to mate with.
8. Fishfrog people begin to treat humans like dogs, breeding them into various forms like tall men and white haired folk.
9. Something bad happens.
10. Humans rebel around the world and the fishfrogs are no more. Some are a lot more successful than others. Some were genocided.
11. Humans (white haired) repurpose the sea serpents/wyrms into flying dragons.
12. Valyria starts.

It’s really not hard.

What I find odd about the oily/greasy black stone is how simplistic and blocky they are. They’re not twisted or refined the way Valyrian dry black stone is. Were the precursors to the Valyrians not as sophisticated? Or were they like the children of the forest, in that they didn’t feel the need to do much with what they had?

>>24471337
Dragons were created through magic editing of land wyrms.

Side note why does george think 4 legged dragons are silly? "no real life animal has 4 legs and wings" (wrong) yeah and no real life animal can breathe fire

>>24471352
>Dragons were created through magic editing of land wyrms.
> land wyrms
No such thing. They’re all swimmers or borrowers. There was a reservoir of (boiling) water underneath the fourteen flames. We know this due to the Kindly Man’s words. Wyrms may be an actual kind of parasitic worm if we’re to consider what happened to Aerea - if we’re to just assume that those ‘things’ were wyrms.
> Side note why does george think 4 legged dragons are silly?
Because they have six limbs. A dragon like that is a lot more aberrant than a four limbed dragon, but Valyria was breeding dragons like crazy… and other horrible creatures aside… so I don’t know.

>>24471337
What do the lobster people bring to the mix?

>>24471360
*wyverns
https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Wyvern

>>24471391
Wyverns mixed with wyrms yes. Wyverns are just dinosaurs. Wyrms might actually be something aberrant.

Those ‘fisher queens’ were big breasted fishfrog women btw

>>24461661
>>24461891
>>24461969
>>24464540
What causes this? Was it child abuse? Cuckhold fetish? Self-hatred? Or is it an organised psyop?

Sourleaf

What is magic in asoiaf you ask?

Aliens made a capricious set of hocus pocus algorithms and gave it free reign over the planet’s developmental history.

>>24471470
And that alien’s name is George.

>>24471252
showtard complaining about showtard problems

??? -> glass candle user pretending to be R’hllor -> red priest/sorcerer thinking it’s R’hllor -> peasants/onlookers thinking the red priest is legit -> hearsay spreads like wildfire -> religion propagates

Magic is a rickety ladder of ignorance. It’s clear that not everyone is standing on the same creaking step.

You can just as easily replace the glass candle user with a green seer, who sends dreams to dreamers, and who relay their dreams to others.

I just don’t know what lies beyond them. Who or what is the ‘???’.

>>24471598
The red god fools his red priests the way they fool the masses, yeah. I find it weird how the red priests don’t think this. We’ve instances of red priests that admit to this.

>>24471598
>>24471608
This is all religion btw
Faith doesn’t require truth, and never has
The truth of all gods, all religion, would be a whole lot different
Religious fags don’t see it that way; they see their story as TRUE

Dany is so obviously set up to be a messiah figure that her heel turn will be all the more satisfying. GRRM literally has "3 wise men" showing up to witness the miraculous birth can't get more on the nose. Definitely not TPTWP, because all signs obviously point to her being it, even a guy like Aemon pointing it out, it's obviously Jon like the whole "Promise me Ned" linking towards that is something GRRM would do.

>>24461656 (OP)
>that mercy chapter
>Raff asks a fucking 11 year old girl to carry him to a healer
>Arya has to drag him through the canals and dump him
Arya being so young really fucks the character. I was getting eggs at my buddies farm and their 11 and 3 year olds were showing me their favorite animals. The 11 year old was maybe 80 pounds soaking wet and 4 foot nothing. How this character become's a dangerous assassin is laughable.

George really should've put in a time jump, or aged up the characters by 7 years from the start.

>>24471678
fatman doesn't seem to believe in messiah figures or chosen ones

>>24471785
It's the problem with writing a story as you go, you can't fix any past mistakes and if the story keeps getting longer then each mistake piles into the other like snowball rolling downhill until it's just an avalanche of shit. Winds of winter was surely going to skip most of the several year long winter, now it's going to have to be a few days? Weeks? Then a dream of spring starts.

The relationship between Starks and direwolves is exactly the same relationship between The Culture Minds and their humans

Are prophecies that say nothing really prophecies?
Some level of vagueness is expected, but surely, if they are _too_ vague then they're nothing more than rorschach tests

>Viserys lives instead of Daenerys
>Rob lives instead of Sansa
What will change
What will stay the same?

>>24471785
She should have been at least a teen

>>24471853
Prophecies are either unavoidable or they simply heighten your chances of preventing them, or reinforcing them. “If you don’t do something now, this is going to happen”, etc.

>>24472024
I agree on true prophecies being about prevention; clearly that's not the case in ASOIAF
unavoidable prophecies... i'm still thinking about it, but I feel like they make a bad narrative device
one or two can be used for some dramatic tension, but more and you're just spoiling the plot

>>24470768
Faggot has compulsive need to virtue signal his left wing status nobody cares about

>>24471883
He would need to take her place.

>Daniel Abraham knows the final lines of A Dream of Spring
>Ty Franck knows all of the story beats of The Winds of Winter
>Both of them have said they won't finish the books because they're too far into establishing themselves

Grim. Surely a large check from the publisher and Paris McBride could change their minds after gurm passes?

>>24471883
>Viserys isn't killed by Drogo
>Drogo dies and Dany kills herself at the loss
>Viserys is alone with three dragon eggs and no way to hatch them
>He sells one for a fleet and sells an other for an army. They aren't a big fleet and army, but they are enough to get the ball rolling. The third egg is emergency money
>Word spreads of the Exiled Targaryen prince sailing westward
>He is intercepted by Barristan and Belwas who tell him to go to Pentos
>He does so. There he might be introduced to fAegon
What happens from here, I can't say since I don't know what Illyrio's plan with Viserys was in the first place.
Let's assume Illyrio's plan is for Viserys and fAegon to be dual conquerors. Maybe he'd try to convince Viserys to be a supporting uncle councillor to a king fAegon. I doubt it'd work and it'd just make Viserys a liability, so he'd get killed off, his ships and army and last dragon egg taken and given to fAegon.

>Robb marries Roslyn and thus isn't betrayed by Walder
>Roose and Lady Dustin still scheme in the background, but have fewer opportunities now
Let's make it a bit more interesting
>In King's Landing, when Sansa thinks about plunging to her death and taking Joffre with her, she actually does it this time
>Sansa's death is kept a secret, just like Arya's disappearance, but the Lannisters have zero hostages now
>Cat still lets Jamie go because she doesn't know Sansa and Arya are both gone
>Tyrion isn't accused of killing Joffrey, so he doesn't have a trial, thus doesn't discover Shae in Tywin's bed and so doesn't kill Tywin
>At this point in time, Joffrey and Margery are not betrothed yet, so the Tyrells are still unaligned
>Stannis still goes beyond the wall and stops Mance
>Robb may use this to convince the Northern Lords that perhaps Stannis would make a good King
Whether the Northern Lords would get behind the idea, I can't say. Some would, some wouldn't, probably
Let's assume he manages to and steps down as king in the North in favour of supporting Stannis. Sannis comes south and joins his army, now they face Tywin together. A Baratheon and a Stark teaming up to depose a corrupted monarchy is powerful symbolism, which likely helps their cause.
When fAegon lands in the Stormlands, Stannis probably stays in the North and Riverlands with Robb, focusing on Tywin first

Tywin's reaction to fAegon landing would be really interesting. I don't see it outside of possibility that he'd try offering Cersei to marry him, only to have that shit get shut down immediately by Joncon.

Arianne and Margery both set out to marry fAegon and become queen. The rivalry of Reach and Dorne continuing ever more. But the dragon has three heads after all, so who's to say fAegon doesn't just marry them both. I doubt Doran and Mace would be happy about that though. In any case, fAegon's side will be really powerful, with the golden company, Viserys's army and Dorne/Reach or potentially both backing him.

For me, it was when Dany drank Shade of the Evening and got nostalgic about the taste of Khal Drogo's cum
>Dany raised the glass to her lips. The first sip tasted like ink and spoiled meat, foul, but when she swallowed it seemed to come to life within her. She could feel tendrils spreading through her chest, like fingers of fire coiling around her heart, and on her tongue was a taste like honey and anise and cream, like mother's milk and Drogo's seed, like red meat and hot blood and molten gold. It was all the tastes she had ever known, and none of them . . . and then the glass was empty.

>>24472231
>There he might be introduced to fAegon

That reminds me, where was fAegon when Dany and Viserys were in Pentos in AGoT? And why couldn't the original plan be marrying Dany to fAegon right away? They all knew what kind of person Viserys was.

>>24472233
half of dany's excerpts were written with gurms fat pink worm in hand, that's why her plot has hardly progressed in five books

it's even hotter when you remember Dany is 14 when she's thinking about how she misses having dothraki nut in her mouth

>>24472238
my theory is that faegon was a late addition because gurm regretted choosing dany over viserys at the beginning
faegon was essentially "the good viserys"

>>24472231
>"Robb may use this to convince the Northern Lords that perhaps Stannis would make a good King"
maybe if Stannis also gtfos the ironniggers on his way down. that'd help a ton

>>24472238
>>24472292
The Doylist explanation is that FAegon didn't exist back then.
My headcanon is that Ilyrio and Varys never intended them to meet because they were using Viserys as a sort of kagemusha cum cannon-fodder. The plan was for Viserys to take all the heat from Robert by very conspicuously planning to retake the throne, invade Westeros as a conqueror at the head of a horde of brown savages and then when the realm was weak and in chaos from the war between him and the Baratheon dynasty FAegon would swoop in as a liberator at the head of a very Westerosi-coded army (that being the Golden Company). Obviously Khal Drogo and the dragons threw a wrench in those plans but I think the dynamic between Daenerys and FAegon will play out pretty much the same way except with FAegon arriving in Westeros before Daenerys does so the beloved saviour Aegon 2.0 gets obliterated by the Evil Dragon Witch and the way the realm will react will probably contribute to Dany going off the deep end.

>>24472262
How many different ethnic groups have cum in her mouth by now?

>>24467887
This is fine. Robert is a horny, crass, old drunk talking to his closest friend who he hasn't seen in years. It's not a situation where he'd be minding his etiquette. He also doesn't like Cersei. Even beyond Robert being a crude person, the demeanijg language makes sense.

Everybody says that "the show sucks because they ran out of material" but they completely butchered AFFC and ADWD.

>>24471829
>Winds of winter was surely going to skip most of the several year long winter

I'd suggest GRRM has essentially dropped the entire concept of the multi-years long winters/summers, which he thought was neato at first then realized this would make Planetos uninhabitable, not just for humans but pretty much all life.

>>24470768
It's unironically ESLs who go from fight scene to fight scene with their eyes glazed over in between. They're like highschoolers who look up Sparknotes summaries so they can claim they read something. All the arguments going "uhhh Dany didn't try to fight Drogo so you can't prove she hated it" died the moment someone posted an excerpt of Dany's POV of her hurting crying and thinking death would be better

>>24472898
Honestly I keep forgetting about the "years-long seasons" aspect of Planetos. It's the least interesting part of the world, yet it's included in all the early pitches.

The most recent GRRM books "Wild Cards", which is in the 30s somewhere, are great because GRRM doesn't write them. He just puts his name on the cover. It's like he doesn't steal one kid's homework, he steals 7 kid's homework.
I thought Sleeper Straddle was good.

>>24472898
Since winter/summer isnt equally brutal at every latitude it would be reasonable to say that before agriculture existed, people just migrated a lot, spreading towards Planetos' poles when the weather grew mild and being driven back towards the equator when the bullshit hit

But this aspect of worldbuilding is never explored more than "oh winter is really important and these agricultural societies need to store food to survive" which is exactly the same as IRL winter

>>24472898
He should just make it way less pronounced.
Like a couple year cold period

Honestly the issue isn't that winters and summers last multiple real-world years. The issue is them being inconsistent. That completely rapes nature's ability to adapt. Same with human civilization. Imagine stocking for winter and you just have to guess how many years of food you'll need? And if winter lasts longer than predicted it's not an extra 2-3 weeks of hunger, it's 2-3 years and your entire settlement dies.

Stop noticing things, chud. 17 years of winter.

14 year old cunny so good he named the place they fucked the tower of joy.

>>24472932

Yes, early on the climate is a big part of the story but later, it's essentially not mentioned at all.

>>24472959
>>24472961

It simply doesn't work; what do the rabbits and deer and such do when winter can be ten YEARS long (even if it "phases" in and out)? They die, as do the humans who in no fucking way could store up enough food to last.

Now this kinda climate would be doable on an alien planet with alien lifeforms but we're dealing with normal Earth animals.

>>24473099
>it's essentially not mentioned at all.
it is in F&B
>we're dealing with normal Earth animals.
there's bears 15 feet tall and horse sized direwolves

>>24473172
>"there's bears 15 feet tall and horse sized direwolves"
imagine how much they'd need to eat daily.

bears would hunt everything to extinction if they had to prepare enough calories for a several years long torpor (even if they wake up every now and then for a quick bite like real bears)

>>24473083
Do you think she wanted his dick right away, or did he just force himself on her?

>>24473759
>The dragon prince sang a song so sad it made the wolf maid sniffle... - ASOS Bran II

Methinks she opened her legs quite easily.

>>24472982
Winterfel is the only place built (written) with multiple year long winter in mind. Hotsprings, greenhouses. How the fuck do bog dwelling crannogmen survive a 5 year winter?

>>24472887
to be fair, books 4 and 5 are shit

>>24473796
But anon Americans told me no woman under the age of 18 has horny thoughts

>>24472887
D&D didn't want to adapt ASOIAF. They wanted to adapt The Red Wedding. Nothing else was of consequence. Rapidly expanding the cast in a tv show where the source material is incomplete and they would've had to find solutions on their own would've made the show worse and I understand why they didn't do it. They should've kept fAegon though

>>24474020
A fourteen year old lost her virginity to a late twenties David Bowie

>>24474060
>>24472887
George stopped giving a shit about ASOIAF after the red wedding. That's why AFFC reads like a bunch of slapped together novellas and ADWD is barely a book in terms of structure.

>>24474174
ADWD is like 70% padding because Feast and Dance were supposed to be one book.

Just compare the pacing of Storm with Feast and Dance and you'll realize that Winds CAN fit inside Winds if gurm doesn't piss and shit everywhere.

>>24472917
>uhhh Dany didn't try to fight Drogo so you can't prove she hated it" died the moment someone posted an excerpt of Dany's POV of her hurting crying and thinking death would be better

Dude I'm literally reading AGoT and in the next page itself she starts enjoying and and cries out of pleasure. At worst you can blame Drogo of being inconsiderate and rough.

>>24474185
>Winds CAN fit inside Winds

>bright and dark

Literally who?

It's been 25 years since the plot progressed.

>>24474438
Young Griff, the union of the Brightflame and Blackfyre lines

>>24474478
Illyrio Brightflame and Serra Blackfyre?

>>24474438
>old, true, bright
aemon targaryen (a billion years old; a real targaryen; not evil)
>old, true, dark
maelys blackfyre (died a long time ago; the blackfyres are a legitimate branch, fuck you; deformed freak)
>old, false, bright
__________________________________________________________idk lol
>old, false, dark
____________________________________________idk for this one either lol
>young, true, bright
daenerys (teenager; real targaryen (probably); not evil (yet))
>young, true, dark
jon (teenager; real targaryen, bastard or not; literally wears black)
>young, false, bright
""""""aegon targaryen"""""" (teenager; random lysene twink; not evil)
>young, false, dark
joffrey (dead teenager; not actually of targaryen descent at all; evil)

>>24474438
dragons = targs
old = the dead targs
young = the still living targs (dany, jon, faegon)
true = the real targs (dany and jon)
false = targ-claimers (faegon)
bright = good targs (jon and faegon)
dark = bad targs (mad dany)

>>24472173
Top kek, this is just Drogo bullying Vis and isn't meant to be sexual
But I think in theory, if Dany dies as a young bride to Drogo Viserys would be triple screwed. He would probably either be murdered or dumped in the middle of no where sans dragon eggs
>>24472231
Oh, interesting. I never thought of the implications of the Lannisters having no hostages

>>24474840
>if Dany dies as a young bride to Drogo Viserys would be triple screwed. He would probably either be murdered or dumped in the middle of no where sans dragon eggs
Don't see why. He wasn't respected but I doubt they'd just murder Drogo's brother in law for no reason.

>>24474883
His presence was only really tolerated for Dany's

>>24474891
Nothing would've happened to him unless he sperged out.

>>24474893
I think Viserys would probably sperg if Dany died, it means any invasion is called off and she is his last living relative who he did initially love in his own twisted way. Possibly go crazier than he was already

>>24474893
>>24474897
What would a crazier Viserys look like?

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