Thread 24465551

>reading perfectly good book
>out of nowhere random hamfisted christcuck allegory
Why do otherwise intelligent authors insist on inserting their dead jew into perfectly fine literature?

>>24465551 (OP)
Maybe you're just not intelligent enough to understand the religion that was revered and all-influencing in Western culture for over a thousand years?

>>24465554
It destroyed western civilization (Rome) and was dispelled by the enlightenment after 1000 years of wars.

>>24465551 (OP)
you are not so bright are you

>>24465551 (OP)
You must be 18+ to post.

>>24465559
Haha, what, the Holy Roman Empire wasn't part of Western Civilisation? Nooooooo, my whole worldview is crumbling, nooooo! And, what's more, you're telling me there were wars in the Christian era??? Noooooo!

>>24465551 (OP)
THEN YOU ARE LOST

>>24465563
>>24465564
>>24465571
I see the seething brownoids have no argument as usual. Every great work of art is improved by removing the christjew elements in it.

>>24465575
If you remove the Christian 'elements' from Bach's Passions or Dante's Paradiso then there is very little left.

It's very telling of your dogmatism of mind that you cannot imagine a religion that you dislike being responsible for great art.

The depth and beauty of Christianity is beyond what many can fully grasp

>>24465584
The divine comedy doesn’t rely on jesus at all it’s a fanfic that was seriously denounced by the church and Bach is a genius, not divinely inspired by your jewish mummy
>>24465587
>believe in the flying jew or be tortured forever
>btw the living world is horrible too and it’s your fault goy ;)

>>24465596
you are obsolete

>>24465600
I think you’re projecting. By every measurable standard Christianity is obsolete and declining worldwide.

>>24465617
Not true

>>24465559
>western civilization
No such thing. And the gay decadent roman wop empire was destroyed by barbarian germanic chads.

>>24465650
It was destroyed by christcucks

>>24465658
cope medcuck

>>24465584
Dante's Paradiso is entirely inspired by Cicero and other platonic visions

>>24465575
No, its not. It literally is western civilization, like it or not.

>>24465584
Bach‘s greatest works are his concerti, suites, and klavier/harpsichord/organ pieces.

>>24465563
>Caucasian Jesus
Opinion discarded.

>>24465596
>The divine comedy doesn’t rely on jesus at all it’s a fanfic that was seriously denounced by the church
Which has nothing to do with the fact that the Christian moral orientation is found all through Dante, and that his greatest poetry is nothing other than a powerful expression and embodiment of the feelings that find their origin in this orientation. In what world is the guilt which Dante feels not Christian in origin? You're either a teenager or seriously mentally retarded if you think the million different qualities of a lived religion can be simplified to 'did the church approve of this?' or 'does he mention Jesus nonstop?'. There is an emotional and qualitative experience of life that is Christian.

>Bach is a genius, not divinely inspired by your jewish mummy
It doesn't matter whether he was or wasn't inspired by a god for his art to be completely Christian in spirit. When a bar of his music underlines the Passion of Jesus, it is to invoke pity in us, and a sense of redemptive guilt.

>>24465760
Dante's Paradiso is not in the slightest degree classical in spirit, you're just a moron. I don't even care if you're a pagan and want to read pagan themes into Dante, but to pretend that Christianity and a Christian outlook doesn't dominate every single line of poetry he ever wrote is just nonsensical.

>>24465836
To say that his klavier pieces are superior to his Passions is a totally unfounded statement, but to say that his concerti are superior to his Passions is grossly stupid and uneducated. But that aside, there is, in Bach's own opinion, a Christian spirit which pervades all of his works, and often compositions without text will nonetheless reference melodic and harmonic gestures which have specific theological connotations for Bach.

If you retards actually read your hero Nietzsche you would know that he recognised Christian art as Christian in spirit, an to a degree was scornful of it, but it never stopped him from recognising and appreciating its genius. Any intelligent person is capable of appreciating something with associations that they do not personally endorse.

>>24465905
> To say that his klavier pieces are superior to his Passions is a totally unfounded statement, but to say that his concerti are superior to his Passions is grossly stupid and uneducated.

Well golly gee I guess that settles it

>But that aside, there is, in Bach's own opinion, a Christian spirit which pervades all of his works, and often compositions without text will nonetheless reference melodic and harmonic gestures which have specific theological connotations for Bach.

His description is more pantheistic than anything

>>24465905
>Any intelligent person is capable of appreciating something with associations that they do not personally endorse.
LARPagans will never develop the braincells to understand this.

>>24465915
>Well golly gee I guess that settles it
It's not like you provided any justification. You asserted your opinion with an undeserved peremptoriness, and my contradicting it at least demonstrates that everyone has there own opinion, and if one looks into the matter, that it is an extremely uncommon opinion to claim that Bach's Passions do not belong among his greatest works.

>His description is more pantheistic than anything
A devout 17th century Lutheran was a pantheist... Do you understand the ridiculousness of what you're resorting to, just to claim that an obviously Christian individual was not Christian?

>>24465920
Pagan LARPing is just Wicca for autistic men.

>>24465559
debunked by Augustine

>>24465819
Your kike desert fairy tales have nothing to do with western civilization whatsoever. Fuck off.

>>24465551 (OP)
>Why do otherwise intelligent authors insist on inserting their dead jew into perfectly fine literature?
It adds a gloss of importance for some people. I can see why it's attractive to shoehorn it in so those who care about it are appeased.

>>24465551 (OP)
>>reading perfectly good book
>>out of nowhere random hamfisted WOKE SPEECH
>Why do otherwise intelligent authors insist on inserting their JEWISH NONSENSE into perfectly fine literature?

>>24465551 (OP)
>christcuck allegory
you mean allusion? i don't know how you would have an allegory so specific that it would be undeniably christcuck and not any part of the human condition the bible mirrors lmfao

>>24466132
>the human condition the bible mirrors
ROFL, you have no idea what you’re talking about. Do you even know who coined the term human condition? The bible says everyone is damned because a girl bit an apple 6000 years ago and you have to bow to jews to go to heaven kek

>>24465559
>he doesn't know

>>24466214
We do know, that’s why christian literature isn’t very highly praised. And when it is, it’s never for their christian elements. We all know this, anon.

>>24465933
>it is an extremely uncommon opinion to claim that Bach's Passions do not belong among his greatest works.

It is as uncommon an opinion which does not put them below the Brandenburg Concerti and Well-Tempered Klavier, variously also the assorted fugues and maybe even the instrumental suites.

>A devout 17th century Lutheran was a pantheist

I didn‘t say that he self-identified as non-Christian but that his description of the virtue in his secular works as reflecting natural order accords with pantheism. Which even as you missed the century in which the much greater part of them were composed, is bolstered by the fact that it was a time of declining dogmatic church adherence and the rise of Spinozism.

>>24466224
>haha we have the coolest buildings ever!
>rapes your son
>sells own daughter into sex slavery as an infant
>leaves newborn baby in the snow next to the trash pile

>>24465596
>Pic
Modern Judaism has nothing to do with the ancient Jews.

>>24466224
not even reddit hit this pagancuck level delusions

>>24468800
Every great work of literature that has a christian element is not praised for that christian element, lol.

>>24466624
that's a good description of Christian culture in America, in fact you can do much worse than that and still be 100% forgiven if you simply "repent" (say you're sorry and promise you won't do it again)

oh yeah and also don't forget to ban contraception and abortion so the maximum number of retards, crackheads, and hookers can have plenty of unwanted fetal alcohol syndrome babies and do all of these things to them

>>24466624
Actually they had laws against all of that. Rome was a very legalistic society, because they were white and not christjews. It’s the jews who practiced literal child sacrifice in their temple until the Roman’s put a stop to it.

Separating yourself from 1000+ years of culture and history of your ancestors out of spite for Christianity is like cutting your dick off and trooning out, out of spite of your father.

>>24469085
Aren’t you yourself separated from 4000 years of jewish history you mentally ill faggot