Why do Christians collapse White civilizations?

It fell in large part because of diversity and change itself, not solely because of people becoming Christian.

>roman empire
>white

>>24469654
Yes?
>>24469649
Guess what those diverse masses were?
Christian.
So its basically one and the same.

>>24469656
Lol what a retard

What's with all the fedora tipper threads in the catalogue? Did reddit mods purge r/atheist or something?

>>24469660
Why do e-christians always cry atheist jew or larpagan when asked questions?

>>24469624 (OP)
Classical civilization began declining centuries before Christianity appeared or even became popular. Its decline was tangential to Christianity.

picrel

>>24469665
Cope.
Even if I grant you that, which I don't cause its false, (((Christianity))) sure didn't help.

>>24469654
>>24469657
Its happening right now across Europe, Canada, Australia, US.
White Christians betraying their race by blooding the nations with browns.

>>24469671

>>24469656
Goths and Gauls first encountered Christianity after raids into Rome and converted to it later down the line just like Roman’s converted to it. They were pagans at first too. The place was a corrupt shitshow from the start and we probably only know the half of it

>>24469624 (OP)
are you dumb

Jews.

>>24469624 (OP)
That was not a white civilization. White means Germanic.

Would you accept a 100% White non christian nation, yes or no?

>>24469750
White means any number of things

>>24469624 (OP)
they helped whites to ruin Rome

white barbarians literally ruined rome

>>24469624 (OP)
They did it for power and money

>>24469666
Iberians hadn't been moored by then.

Germans didn't even have civilization until they were Christianized

>>24469897
Strange then that they had within their genes the entire capacity to assume and further it

>>24469649
according to Gibbons (author of the books in the OP) it collapsed because all of romes administrative/military leadership became devout christian monks and abandoned their leadership positions en masse to live in monasteries and the government collapsed

>>24470008
That sounds pretty far fetched, I don’t deny the possibility that they did that and en masse but I think it begs the question that maybe they saw the ship was sinking and they gtfo Christians havent always been the most honest or upfront

>"rome collapsed because of christians"
>ignores the next 1500 years where christians conquered the entire world

Rome didn't collapse until the 15th century and was a Christian empire for over 1,000 years.

>>24469663
I'm not Christian. Fedoras need to stop being so obsessed with something they say they don't value. You guys are annoying and lower the standards of conversation even in places reputed to be cesspools like 4chan.

>>24469624 (OP)
The 18th and 19th century European empires were far superior to anything the Romans ever did, and they were as devout as Christians could be. All that only went down the drain when the west stopped being Christian.

>>24470130
Race is the more important factor although they're intertwined, but I suppose you don't want to have that conversation either

>>24470122
What's ironic is that the westerner *needs* for Byzantium to not be Rome, therefore the west can be the heir to Rome. But this also means that Rome shit itself and collapsed over a millennium earlier. It's a lose/lose scenario, but muh papacy demands it.

>>24470162
19th century europe was an atheist shithole

>>24470162
Lmao not even Shakespeare or da Vinci were religious and they were 15th century

>>24470178
Wrong.
>>24470185
Europe only started on its path to domination around that time. Europe reached its height hundreds of years later. No one gives much of a fuck about them in comparison to dominating the globe and inventing the modern world. Shakespeare was also late 16th century to early 17th century, you stupid little worm.

>>24469624 (OP)
>Anonymous 06/16/25(Mon)01:35:25 No.24

>>24470189
Well unless your definition of europe is rural Russia, then maybe it is religious
But France, which has historically been a powerhouse of "european" culture, was in fact an atheist shithole in the 19th century

>>24470189
You’re dumb as fuck the enlightenment banished your kike demon fantasies back to israel and instilled rationality for the first time in 1000 years in europeans

>>24470197
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>24469624 (OP)
Jews is what collapse white civilizations not Christianity

>>24470204
Who do you think the early Christians and church fathers were?

>>24470206
They educated the masses

All the best European poets found their creativity flourishing in the rejection of Christian doctrine.

>>24469624 (OP)
Because Christian morality is unsustainable

>>24470224
True. I HAVE to fuck other men in their assholes and you WILL NOT stop me.

>>24469758
Iceland is pretty comfy from what I hear anon, the country seems very nice.
Now anon, go visit Mexico.

>>24469624 (OP)

>>24470227
I was thinking more along the lines of the proselytism of every race on the globe

>>24469624 (OP)

>>24469660
>if you aren't christian you're atheist
bravo

>>24470130
The Christian Defense Force isn’t here to debate, learn, or even convince anyone—they exist purely to damage control, deflect, and suppress anything that threatens their fragile worldview. They don’t engage in honest discussion because they can’t afford to. Christianity collapses the second it’s exposed to real scrutiny, so their only tactics are derailment, accusation, and censorship. When they see a post they can’t refute, they don’t challenge it—they call it AI-generated, spam Bible verses, or beg the jannies to move it somewhere obscure. They don’t want a discussion; they want a safe space where no one questions their outdated fairytales.

This is why their presence is so pathetic. Real conviction doesn’t need protection—truth stands on its own. But Christcucks? They’re like children plugging their ears and screaming whenever reality intrudes. They cry about being “persecuted” while demanding special treatment, moderation bias, and the ability to flood every space with their dogma unchecked. The fact that they have to rely on mods and spam instead of argument tells you everything—you don’t need to defend what’s real, but you do need to protect a dying lie. That’s all Christianity has left: weak men clinging to a collapsing illusion, praying no one notices it’s already dead.

>>24470517
Zoomers are more religious than Millennials, Christianity seems to be rebounding.

>>24470530
Yeah cause instead of reading they just watch youtube and tiktok so they think they have to choose between this kosher binary of woke vs. trad. I know millennial friends who are falling into this trap as well but younger people are less equipped by their education systems to think for themselves on top of being more reliant on social media while simultaneously less able to critically comprehend what they're consuming.

>>24470530
Kek no it’s not

>>24470552
>Canada
lmao that's Pajeetland already, he's talking about real countries and among zoomers

>>24470557
Does the presence of other races/religions magically stop young white kids from being Christian? If anything I'd think it would push them towards it in an effort, conscious or not, to form ingroup solidarity. Your response is inane drivel.

>>24470557
American Christians don’t even believe in god, imagine counting that as christian because your numbers are so pathetic… and even that figure is dropping rofl

>>24470530
Christianity’s modern identity is so hollow that it has to latch onto right-wing political movements just to stay relevant. These zealots know their faith is too weak to stand on its own, so they desperately play chameleons, bending and twisting their beliefs to fit in with nationalist and conservative talking points. “Traditional values”? Slapped on like a cheap sticker. “Western civilization”? As if Christianity didn’t spend centuries tearing it down and replacing it with dogma.

It’s embarrassing watching these clowns abandon their so-called eternal truths just to ride the coattails of whatever political movement will have them. They aren’t leading the charge—they’re limping along behind, pretending they’re still relevant while screaming about how everyone else is going to hell. Christianity doesn’t inspire anymore; it piggybacks off ideologies with actual momentum, hoping no one notices how irrelevant it’s become.

This isn’t faith; it’s survival instinct. They know Christianity has no legs left to stand on, so they’ve propped it up with political crutches. But the cracks are showing, and their desperate attempts to blend in only reveal how empty their belief system really is. When your religion’s survival depends on being a glorified mascot for a political agenda, it’s clear you’ve already lost.

>>24470577
Kamala lost

>>24470130
>I'm not Christian.

>>24470208
You didn't answer the question.

>>24469624 (OP)
Why do faggots make garbage threads?

>>24470644
Christians throughout history literally cut off their own dicks and sliced off their breasts in the name of God. This wasn't some rare occurrence - medieval monks, priests, and religious nuts regularly mutilated their genitals as acts of devotion. Even famous church figures like Origen castrated himself. Entire religious sects like the Skoptsy made cutting off sexual organs a central practice. Church leaders usually condemned it when they found out, but it kept happening anyway across different time periods and regions.

Now these same Christians turn around and lose their minds over transgender people getting medical care. They'll scream that God made you perfect and you shouldn't change your body, conveniently forgetting that their own religious ancestors were hacking off body parts left and right for Jesus. When you bring up this history, they'll flat-out deny it ever happened or claim it was super rare, even though it's well-documented. So apparently cutting off your genitals is fine if you're doing it for religious reasons, but if you're transgender and want medical treatment, suddenly body modification is evil. The double standard is absolutely ridiculous - they had more tolerance for religious self-mutilation than they do for people just trying to live as their authentic selves.

>>24470173
It's particularly stupid because the capital was moved to Constantinople before the West fell anyway. I will never understand the schizoid attitude towards the Eastern Empire, it's absolutely ridiculous. It's so stupidly western centric (literally geographically wise) that they forget their muh Christian values actually came from the East anyway. I'm not even going to mention the ancient knowledge which somehow skipped the Eastern Empire for centuries and was transmitted by the Arabs later through fax or something probably.

>>24469624 (OP)
because they last long enough to collapse

>>24469624 (OP)
christianity didn't destroy rome.
rome was wiped out by a catastophic environmental catastrophe, official history ignores it and invented 700 years of "dark ages" to disguise it.

>>24470163
Race alone cannot account for the development of culture. Things just don't appear out of thin air.

>>24470650
Jesus said if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. So they were acting in terms of Christian morality.
Trannies are not. Instead they are inviting sin.

>No one in /lit/ has actually read Gibbon
He doesn't blame Christianity at all. I can't believe this meme is still going.