Thread 24472106

If Jesus was truly God, why didn't he defend himself during his trial and crucifixion? Are there any theological or scholarly works that explore this question?

>>24472106 (OP)
To fulfill prophecy
>Isaiah 53 states, "He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he opened not his mouth".
Because it was prophesized

>>24472115
Based

>>24472106 (OP)
Totally absurd thread.

>>24472106 (OP)
Simple really, he wasn't god

>>24472150
He was, the true God won't have to believe himself

Jesus remained mostly silent during his trial and crucifixion, which is seen as a fulfillment of prophecy and a reflection of his role as the Suffering Servant. He chose to respond only to questions about his identity, indicating that he was focused on his mission rather than defending against false accusations.

>>24472106 (OP)
Start by reading the gospels, which adress exactly this. Illiterate.

>>24472115
This is the main answer.
Still, Jesus in John 18:30 says he is King of another world - heaven. And when Jesus says in Mark 15:2, asks whether he is King of the Jews, replies 'You said so', that is a suspiciously lacking answer. He specifically doesnt deny it. He could've denied it, and Pilate would've found him equally innocent had he denied it; but Jesus not doing so implies that Him denying it would be a lie.
In John 18:37 he says 'In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.' And, per Psalm 119, God's law is truth. And it's a King who makes the law. So the silence, as it pertains to be major charge, could be read as confession.

God, who is eternal, omnipresent, and omnipotent, could (as God) not suffer, and suffer profoundly as a sacrifice. That's why He incarnated like the dev of an MMO to experience what He couldn't experience as God.

>>24472214
>the Bible is an isekai

>>24472214
Based

>>24472106 (OP)
The crucifixion is the central point of the entire Christian religion and the primary purpose for the incarnation of Christ. As such there are innumerable works exploring this.

>>24472255
Based

>>24472255
>>24472298
Did this absolute fuckwart reply with "based" to his own milquetoast chatgpt post which says absolutely nothing about the question he himself posted in OP. God what a faggot

>>24472320
Based

>>24472106 (OP)
>surrounded by Jews and can't get a good lawyer
It's a mystery, admittedly.

>>24472214
If God is omnipotent, can he create a rock he can't lift?

>>24472346
Wrong question, Wrong answer

>>24472320
Faggot

God sent himself as a sacrifice to himself to stop himself from giving humanity the proper punishment that he himself instituted
Why would God intervene to stop himself from sacrificing himself to himself?

>>24472401
Retard

>>24472417
Yes, Christianity is retarded
Judaism makes way more sense

>>24472106 (OP)
There are only two viable explanations of Christ that I've found in all my ponderings, for whatever that's worth to you, and those two are
1. Christianity as ordinarily handed down is true at face value.
2. From a Hindu-Buddhist worldview, Jesus was a perfectly enlightened man or even a legitimate avatara. People who get enlightened tend to have incredible peace of mind, psychic abilities like knowing the future, and experiencing their lives like living poetry, perceiving it in an ever-transcendental way that is baffling to normal perception.

I have a hard time invalidating my own Hindu-Buddhist worldview and biases, but I want to respect the Christian tradition and investigate the traditional Christology at their face value. It'll take me many more years of searching at least I feel.

>>24472115
I always see this referenced and all I heard from Bible scholars that are either atheist or agnostic (who still greatly respect Christianity, just are unconvinced), like Bart Ehrman (evangelicals hate him), is that Isaiah 53 can't be referring to a person but to the state of Israel. I have no idea though. I've heard it said that it's impossible for a Christian to read Isaiah and not think of Jesus, even though interpreting the suffering servant as Christ is a misapprehension of the text.

I've also seen a lot of language and behavior of Christ used in the Gospels that he indicates the Father, to love the Father, to worship the Father, not that he's claiming to be the Father. Like in John where he says just as I and the Father are one, let them all be one. It doesn't help that it feels like the authors of the NT are slightly schismatic and seem to be saying at the very least slightly different things.

>>24472416
>God fails to create a rock he can't lift
So you're saying he's not omnipotent?

>>24472360
Why?

>>24472423
>atheist "scholars" make up bullshit to justify atheism
WOW BIG SURPRISE THERE BUCKO
You're a retard by the way.

>>24472346
Can God really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

ie. If God is Being-Itself Itself and Truth-Itself, then God is not unbeing and not untruth. Logical absurdities have being only logically and not positively (in actuality), so a logical absurdity (which has no actual being) is not a limit.

>>24472423
Christ isn't the Father but He is co-eternal with the Father and Holy Spirit. Look more into Christology and understanding the Trinity. You're probably on the right track but I have to tell you that your possibility #2 it, bluntly, preposterous. If you study this imperially you will see that Jesus' worldview does not at all comport with Hinduism or Buddhism

>>24472552
this is equivalent to the Barber paradox, btw.
that's why voluntarism, which attempts to patch the problems of omnipotence with more absurdity (ie. Ockham leading to Luther leading to Nietzsche and the 'Death-of-God' theology of post-protestantism) is functionally equivalent to naive set theory. they haven't figured out their ZF axioms yet.

>>24472576
anon I'm afraid at least one of us is a schizo

>>24472423
>Isaiah 53 can't be referring to a person but to the state of Israel.
It can perfectly be both. Google "Dual fullfilment". It happens multiple times during The Bible.

>20Now there were some Greeks among those who went up to worship at the feast. 21They came to Philip, who was from Bethsaida in Galilee, and requested of him, “Sir, we want to see Jesus.” 22Philip relayed this appeal to Andrew, and both of them went and told Jesus.

>23But Jesus replied, “The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified. 24Truly, truly, I tell you, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a seed. But if it dies, it bears much fruit.

>now My soul is troubled, and what shall I say? ‘Father, save Me from this hour’? No, it is for this purpose that I have come to this hour. 28Father, glorify Your name!”

>And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw everyone to Myself.” 33He said this to indicate the kind of death He was going to die.

>>24472106 (OP)
Threads like this give me the impression that /lit/ is just turning into /x/ without the AI generated succubus porn

>>24473498
it gets even worse on Evola and Guenon threads

>>24472106 (OP)
why do you keep spamming this AI slop all over this board?

>>24472149
It's the creepy freemason weirdo loser who spams pics of Jesus with long hair and in a dress, when the Bible makes it clear Jesus had short hair and he rebuked people for wearing long clothing. He used to post pics of the eye of horus on the back of the dollar, that occultic symbol which represents the god of Freemasonry.

>>24472423
>and all I heard from Bible scholars that are either atheist or agnostic
lol, lmao even. Why even listen to people like that?

They're literally incapable of understanding the Bible if they're not even saved.
>I. Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
>John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

>>24473601
why you didn't kill yourself yet? you are insufferable

>>24473613
Avatarfagging OP's worse. He just spams his pics without even posting anything half the time, and often in threads completely unrelated to is effeminate Catholic idolatry.

>>24473654
I hope your wife divorce you, you are fucking insufferable

>>24472106 (OP)
Τινὲς ἄνθρωποι τοσοῦτοι κακοὶ εἰσὶν, ὥστε ἀνέκταστοι γίγνονται. >>24473654

>>24473668
Cry about it, faggot idolater with your effeminate false, slanderous, and blasphemous depictions of Christ.

>>24473777
Cool fag boy

>>24473783
You're the fag who gets offended when your false effeminate depictions of Christ with women's hair and wearing dresses is called out.

>>24473789
My goal is to remind you of christ i don't care how he looks like

God works in mysterious ways :)

>>24472106 (OP)
This is literally addressed in the bible my dear illiterate-kun.

>>24473932
Based

>>24473833
God hates you. All you're doing is slandering Christ and pushing people away from Christianity. Fucking kill yourself.

>>24473833
It's bad enough this board is full of atheist golem of the talmudic pharisee jews, but then you spam your faggot effeminate depictions of Christ because you don't care about the truth because you don't love the truth because you're a fraud and you're not saved and you're not indwelt with the holy spirit of God, otherwise you'd accept what the Bible says when shown. You don't care what the Bible says.

Kill yourself, reprobate.

>>24473967
Jesus true face is not revealed

>>24473972
you are insufferable and corrupted, full of hatred just like athiests, get some love golem

>>24472106 (OP)
I think a lot of the reason why Christianity is so influential in our secular ideals even amid its decline in modern history is that it’s too hard for people to accept the idea that Jesus was just a random guy. The idea that this man, the single most venerated person in all history, was actually an impoverished LARPing doomsday preacher you’d find today screeching nonsense in south LA who was killed and forgotten by everyone except his immediate followers is too hard to accept. Notice how even non-Christians and atheists like Dawkins are careful never to insult the man, because they still inherently believe the idea that he was a great person with a noble morality. No one except the Jews have ever decided that Jesus was less than a figure of authority, no one.

>>24472106 (OP)
because he wasn’t technically wrongly accused. he broke hebrew law, even if it was to bring out it’s true purpose. so God let the pharisees kill him according to his own rules, so he could rezz himself as the spirit of Christ, which then replaces the law.

>>24472590
I hope it's both of us.

>>24473992
You’re not taking into account how imbecilic and gullible the creatures of that era were. It’s not hard to convince idiots of anything.

>>24474164
The point is that not even most non-Christians are willing to deny his greatness. They never go to the point of calling him a 1st century vagrant schizo with no inherent importance whatsoever. It's always "I'm not a Christian but maybe those bigoted Republicans should try learning from the wisdom of Jesus for once"

>>24474355
Some do, but they end up being edgelord "satanists" that believe in 'human rights' for GRIDS spreaders and furries or whatever.

>>24474355
You obviously must not visit /b/.

>>24474371
most satanists are just christians who have misunderstood the bible, or don’t understand what the satan is

>”I love all people unconditionally, unlike fundie christians who worship that evil god character, that’s why I’m a satanist. did you know god killed more people than satan in the bible?”

and so on

>>24472106 (OP)
>Enlightenment atheists can't understand myth and allegory
Shocking

>>24472106 (OP)
everything dies

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R3pfsUgtL9A

>we're going to kill you, Jesus
>haha! That was my plan all along! Dont you look quite the fool.
>*sound of hammers and nails and flesh and wooden cross*
>oh yeah. It's all coming together.

>>24474615
Stupid cope.

>>24474615
topkek

>>24472443
Yep, that's the rock that turned out to be liftable. Thanks for illustrating my point.

>>24474373
Imagine visiting /b/ in current year.

>>24474944
Uh, no it's not, look

>>24472570
Based

>>24472419
Hi rabbi

>>24474662
Stay mad

>>24472570
>Christ isn't the Father
Uh, so Christ isn't God?

>>24475014
>Christ
Christ is God

>>24475033
But anon said he isn't the Father. So if Christ is God, what is the Father?
>inb4 he's God too, because that's just retarded

>>24475053
Father is God, Christ is part of God body

homo sacer
abberation in the heartland of the real
the contemporaneity of christ and the finality of jurisprudence

>>24472106 (OP)

معنى قول النبي ﷺ: "أن تلد الأمة ربتها"

>>24472106 (OP)
Fulfillment of Prophecy (The Suffering Servant): A primary theological explanation is that Jesus's non-resistance fulfilled Old Testament prophecies, particularly those concerning the "Suffering Servant" in Isaiah 53. Isaiah 53:7 states, "He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth." This passage is widely understood by Christians as a direct prophecy of Jesus's passion, highlighting his willing submission to suffering