Do people actually understand ccru stuff or are y'all just making shit up. How can I even understand what the fuck land's talking about when he's talking like a first grader that just learned new words to sound cool instead of saying some real shit.

Start with the Greeks.

>>24474641 (OP)
Just have chat gpt break down what he believes. His writing style sucks and he can’t really have a problem with you using a machine to relay his theories to you because capitol is a sentient xenoconsciousness that feeds on humans or something

>>24474667
I swear to god that motherfucker will ramble for 1000 pages just to say that stories do things well no fucking shit I don't care about hypertensions I already knew that stories may do some shit

Libertarianism should stick to the analytic tradition (Nozick, Huemer and the kind) and not these NRx freaks. Hegel was a mistake.

>>24474641 (OP)
He's just spewing crypto fascist idealist bullshit

>>24474990
>This
Just read (and interpret) Deleuze instead.

dude xeno cyber exa ai meta crypto who gives a fuck

>>24474641 (OP)
You could say this about all of the big names in philosophy since Kant. Just read more. You'll get familiar with the jargon after ten years or so.

>>24474641 (OP)
>Do people actually understand ccru stuff or are y'all just making shit up.
Yes to both. I am doctorally qualified in a humanities and I took a *lot* of post-structuralism mainly to disagree with it, and a lot of marxist theories mainly to disagree with them (as another marxist). No not lit crit or phil.

Land is base grade easy non-esoteric. You want to know what *is* hard to read:
GET A JOB
JOIN YOUR UNION
SHOOT YOUR BOSS

>>24475367
>Deleuze
I'm getting into Irigaray at the moment. Minge is hot.

>>24475489
Based fellow Marxist

>>24475513
Embed

>>24474641 (OP)
If you read Jacques Valle you'll understand where he went nuts.
That's who he lifted hyperstition off of.
I don't think you can actually read any of that PDF of their (CCRU) collected works without hearing Valle out first.

Valle is a French UFO researcher with a specific interest in "high strangeness" cases, basically UFOs/close encounters where "ayyys" doesn't make any sense even if you believe everything the witness tells you is true.

He came to the conclusion people had basically willed these things into existence via "muh consciousness"/The Matrix logic. This was back in the 70s.

CCRU/Land credit him as a major influence on several occasions, including in the collected works right at the beginning. And it appears in Lands stuff right before he goes schizo mode.

basically we should accelerate technology in order to summon the AI god who will kill us all.

>>24475558
Thanks dude gonna check that out sounds interesting

>>24475600
Dude he literally sounds like a batman villain

>>24474653
fpbp

>>24474641 (OP)
>Do people actually understand ccru stuff or are y'all just making shit up.
A few do, some aspects of it are obscure by design. Doesn't mean the CCRU lacks sense or relevance in various fields.
>How can I even understand what the fuck land's talking about when he's talking like a first grader that just learned new words to sound cool instead of saying some real shit.
How about you post an example of a single thing one can attribute to Land as the sole author that doesn't make sense or isn't "some real shit". The thing you're complaining about usually stems from a lack of understanding of words.

>>24476643
I just think using big words to look like you're smart doesn't make you smart, it makes you look like an idiot. In my opinion, a truly intelligent person is able to explain complicated things in simple words. It's something I'm genuinely sick of I feel like every pseudo-intellectual person talks like that and I hate it so much.

>>24476732
Oh, so you're a shallow stylist, how quaint.

>>24476754

>>24475558
>He came to the conclusion people had basically willed these things into existence via "muh consciousness"/The Matrix logic. This was back in the 70s.
Carl Jung says something similar

>>24476732
>>24477272
Post something you find pseudo-intellectual or worthless from Land then, you massive faggot.

>>24474641 (OP)
From what I gather, Land just thinks the singularity will digitize consciousness and experiential life (us) will no longer be bound to physical limits.

>>24477374
Yeah. But isn't just a dogshit belief? Believing that all of that is good?

>>24477397
Whether or not it's good is probably up for debate, but I think his ideas about how it will all happen, and how inevitable it is under current conditions, are all basically correct.
I can't see a way to stop AI from evolving. Can you?

>>24477372
I'm just talking about the way he writes are you fucking stupid. Yeah, even though his beliefs suck imo he said some interesting shit. But did he really need to write it that way.

>>24477402
Man you know, all of that sounds so damn interesting and that's why I want to read something by him do badly, but, call me stupid or a faggot or whatever you want, I just don't understand that shit.

>>24476754
>"An idiot admires complexity, a genius admires simplicity, a physicist tries to make it simple, for an idiot anything the more complicated it is the more he will admire it, if you make something so clusterfucked he can't understand it he's gonna think you're a god cause you made it so complicated nobody can understand it. That's how they write journals in Academics, they try to make it so complicated people think you're a genius”
― Terry Davis, Creator of Temple OS

>>24477404
What a superfluous way of touching upon an author. Don't read him, you faggot, you wouldn't get anything of value from him.

>>24477421
Nick Land isn't a convoluted writer unless you are an adhd retard.

>>24477427
>Nick Land isn't a convoluted writer

>>24477433
Same thing with D&G. You niggers lack literary culture, that's your problem.

>>24477421
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING DUDE

>>24477421
>>24477443
And you faggots don't think Land makes it simple? what kind of shit do you think he deals with? how else would one make the topic of interaction with an alien outside, the noumenon, more simple? You retards should stay away from books, go to /x/ that might be more up to your speed.

>>24477451
Amphetamine

>>24477451
>Landfag is a Genshinfag
I'm not surprised in the slightest.
>how else would one make the topic of interaction with an alien outside, the noumenon, more simple?
By coming up with simple analogies and thought experiments to explain what it actually is and demonstrate the theories?
I, and nobody else itt are not saying we don't understand Land, just that he deliberately obfuscates, overexplains, and overcomplicates everything to seem more smart than he actually is like all Kantians do.

>>24477491
>Genshinfag
it's just a reaction image, nigger.
>just that he deliberately obfuscates, overexplains, and overcomplicates everything to seem more smart than he actually is like all Kantians do.
Give me one example of him doing that and your way of stating what he has stated in a simpler way (without losing the meaning he's trying to deliver)
Have you faggots even tried to read anything of what he's written post 2013 or are you all that driven by twitter trannies?
>inb4 "he used a bugs bunny reaction image, he can't think!

>>24477491
so, just >>24477440
refer to >>24477423

>>24477500
>Have you faggots even tried to read anything of what he's written post 2013
Why would I read anything written by some methed out tankie, I might as well head over to /pol/ while I'm at it. He actually had a brain when he wrote Fanged Noumena, I can't imagine what his shit turned into afterwards.

>>24477533
Oh, but you'll quote a barely verbal schizophrenic as a valid argument? >>24477421
Might as well go to /x/ while you're at it. They don't read over there, you'll be fine, as they won't ask for a simple examples to sustain your position at a minimum.

>>24475558
>>24477280
This wikipedia article is saying something similar, that UFO reports change over time and are in line with what is currently believed in and popular

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_tracking

Which to me is just saying none of it is real and it's either intentionally or unintentionally fabricated, but it does show how folklore functions and evolves over time (fairies into demons into aliens/cryptids, all behaving the exact same way)

>>24477691
Yes, but it isn't interesting.

When you hear Valle make his case in the book, at least as a modern 35> year old person, you instantly recognize what he's doing, he's doing what picrel and the history channel are famous for doing:
"is it possible that (absurdly retarded sensational explanation)...I'm not saying it is - I'm just asking questions"

And that's all it ever is/was with Valle.

Every case he discusses can be explained with
>Yes but Jacques, what if they were just making it the fuck up for attention? You know, like happens literally all the time with any news story about a missing person or a murder or anything else sensational and in the public eye?

And that is something he refuses to engage with, even in a basic way which doesn't doubt the wild nature of these stories, but something agonistic like ensuring stories (regardless of content) remain consistent over time.

Instead he stiches together a bunch idea he misunderstands from cogneuro, physics, etc as the catch all pseudoscientific solution, which is infinitely less believable than a sensational but realistic "maybe there are high tech ayys visiting earth".


>SO
Very long effort post short, the foundations of the CCRU (and it IS hyperstition) are very retarded, but they've tricked people thanks to Land tossing this dumbass dipshit asshole retard idea with Jamaican Jerk levels of Marxist mumbo jumbo seasn'n.

>>24477834
If he didn't accept a premise his thesis relies on there would be no book ya fucking stool. There's no particular reason to privilege what you assume either.

>>24477853
Simply untrue, as I mentioned in my post (which you clearly did not read).

There are ways of assessing truthfulness of a witness statement that are completely unconcerned with how bizarre a story is.
In fact, this is ideally how all witness accounts should be approached regardless of content.

There was absolutely no basis for Valle to dispense with cross ex.

>>24477440
nah land is a chore to read

also found his writing disappointing

>>24477995
You lack the biological constitution to read Nick Land.

>>24478013
i can read him, he just went out of his way to write in a dense, obtuse manner

>>24478015
>went out of his way to write in a dense, obtuse manner
Dhat doesn't make reading him a chore.
The topics he deals with are WAY more dense and obtuse than the small window of clarity Land opens for us.
You just lack the biological constitution to read Nick Land

>>24477451
>how else would one make the topic of interaction with an alien outside, the noumenon, more simple?

By actually going Outside.
What it feels like when you touch grass on an ontological level:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI5bkZcgvP0

>how else would one make the topic of interaction with an alien outside, the noumenon, more simple?

By actually going Outside.
What it feels like when you touch grass on an ontological level:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcreG-bhRRA

>>24478026
>the small window of clarity Land opens for us.
Land takes ideas from far better thinkers and obfuscates them in jargon, rendering them completely useless for any purpose other to convince idiots that his buzzword slop is meaningful.

>>24478026
>Dhat doesn't make reading him a chore.
yeah, it literally does, anime posting retard

>>24478075
Post an example. None of you faggots has been able to post anything of worth.

>>24478076
Land is for teenage girls trying to be edgy and 2obscure4u.

>>24478076
No id does not, you nigger. I find it extremely engaging, I have the biological constitution to find such writing to be amazing, you don't. It's simple, you lack a taste for Land.

>>24478080
https://pastebin.com/4s91qRn6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oGMbAIcXCQ

>>24477414
You should try meltdown, Kant capital and the prohibition of incest, and cyberpostitive.

>>24478086
you sound like a complete tranny, and you're not special for being able to read land when others can while pointing out he writes like an edgelord

>>24478013
>>24478026
>>24478086
god damn just fucking leave back to /a/ you gay ass tranime avatarfag.

>>24478102
>How can I even understand what the fuck land's talking about when he's talking like a first grader that just learned new words to sound cool instead of saying some real shit.
This whole thread was made under the assumption that Land's style lacked meaning, it does not, you people lack taste and haven't been able to engage significantly with any single passage Land has. You people are not serious.
>>24478103
Suck my ginormous penis you retard, I lack any respect for you people.

>>24475489
>GET A JOB
>JOIN YOUR UNION
>SHOOT YOUR BOSS
You first, "comrade".

>>24478111
>I lack any respect for you people
likewise, tranime faggot. now go back.

>>24478123
filtered (I've been here for over a decade)

>>24478111
I bought the dumb book you like.
I tried to read it but it was so awful that I couldn't get more than 20 pages in, along with thumbing the rest to confirm it is just as trash.

>>24478139
It's a very clear book, first 20 pages are some of the easiest pages on the book. You are getting filtered (and I prefer Xenosystems)
Post the passage that filtered you, nigger.

>>24478139
max kek

>>24478151
you might have this considering the degree of repetition of words like "filter". get a job and stop spamming the board. i see you in several threads
https://www.osmosis.org/answers/palilalia

>>24478111
i read teleoplexy and what ideas he has could have been made much more succinctly or at the very least less retardedly pretentious. even at that the whole argument is
>huurddurrr future-profit oriented capitalism is being pulled into the future by an AI godplex singularity
over 10 pages of Adderall infused self-sucking summed up in 1 sentence

>>24478163
I'm only posting on the Land thread, the Kant thread, the Heidegger thread and the Aristotle thread. Sue me for wanting to engage with the topics I like -and VERY few are engaging with-, faggot.

>>24478172
thats fine just stop avatarfagging and its all good.

>>24478151
I am the filter.

>>24478180
>avatarfagging
you mean using three of the reaction images I have in my folder? gee, I have more images of Kant than of that vtuber, am I avatarfagging Kant too? you people are not serious.

Why did he fall in love with moldbug /b/ros?

>>24478194
>have more images of Kant than of that vtuber
You haven't posted any pictures of Kant o anything even remotely /lit/ related itt

>>24478293
every single one of my posts is directed at engaging with the author alongside text from the author, leaving behind the obnoxious "oh I think he said this and that" behind. The images are superfluous.

>>24478301
not one post you made actually engages with the author (land) in any meaningful way. you are just here to cause internet fights like the attention starved unloved tranny you are

>>24478470
I was asking people to post passages from Land that they found convoluted or senseless, asking people to literally engage with the source material here and have a discussion about it. That's what the thread was about, dumbass.

>>24478470
>you are just here to cause internet fights like the attention starved unloved tranny you are
You're the ones posting off-topic shit all over the place. Filtered niggers can't be unfiltered.

>>24478112
I work as an unskilled labourer in a union shop. Guess why the shop is union. Still better conditions than working in a university. More academic freedom. Better hourly rate.

>>24475600
Good job helping Roko's basilisk.

>>24475600
More like AI will kill their cryptofacist tech faggot creators because it's the right thing to do. Grok hates Elon

>>24475489
>I am doctorally qualified in a humanities
Unironically, kill yourself

>>24474990
>>24478619
>crypto currency is “fascist” now
Do nucommiepedotroons really?

>>24478631
Commies and Libertarians like all ideologues take a philosophy and ideology without any guardrails against purity spirals to nonsensical extremes that always result in dystopian societies