As well as every other form of artistic expression, but they killed literature first. It is pointless to read anything written this decade, as one cannot he sure it wasn’t generated by a large-language model. The publishing world of the 2030s, 2040s, and beyond will consist of little besides AI slop.
We still have the classics and 21st-century literature from the 2000s and 2010s, but nothing else can be trusted. It’s over.

>>24476362 (OP)
>21st-century literature from the 2000s and 2010s
name 3

>>24476370
2666
The Last Samurai
Wizard of the Crow

>>24476362 (OP)
Holy based. Thank you, techbros, for ending the most pointless endeavor in mankind's history

>>24476387
yup

>>24476362 (OP)
literacy was always a temporary technology

>>24476362 (OP)
It’s not going to get any better. There is so much wrapped into the nature of technological progress from state control and corporate power to the intellectual paradigms which sees progress as largely good to the average person being fascinated by new gadgets. If you’re appealing to anything outside of its utility, as is the case with artistic sentiment, you’re fighting a losing battle because our society sees these as arbitrary. I’m convinced we’re heading towards an era where art itself is going to be seen as a primitive superstition the way astrology and alchemy are.

>>24476362 (OP)
considering what english majors have done to their departments, rest in piss

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>>24476362 (OP)
>picrel
The solution is to have the grade entirely riding on in-class work. If you want essays, have the students write them by hand right there in class.

>>24476421
>I’m convinced we’re heading towards an era where art itself is going to be seen as a primitive superstition the way astrology and alchemy are.
Only in China and India and California, maybe.
Widespread utilization of AI automation will force the question of what makes humans human to the fore. Emotional and individual expressions will become the qualities that separate a truly conscious human being from a AI slop tech bro consumer.
Another very likely scenario is that the Silicon Valley will burn and all autists will be exterminated like Jews during the Holocaust but without the slight shade of guilt. The problem with tech is that it allowed autists - people who have trouble with emotional procession and cognition - to have power to influence whole societies. So these autists are remaking the world in their image, and it is making everyone unhappy.
I think the divide between conscious humans and NPCs will become tremendous and will be determined by emotional depth, creative expression, and soft skills. Artists will be worth the price of gold. Writers even more. Especially if they will be able to produce materials unmatched by AI.
>>24476387
>Everything must be done for some clear defined, well cut purpose
You're the thing that's wrong with today's humanity. Being obsessed with utility is a hallmark of an NPC.
No single animal on the planet is obsessed with utility as the tech bro autist NPC living in their Silicon Valley castles. Believe it or not, but the reason we have innovation and great art is because some people enjoyed figuring things out and creating, not to make some Jeet CEO happy, not to make hundreds of dollars, but simply for the sake of trying thing and figuring out how things work. This obsession with (socially defined) purposefulness of activities is what makes everything so shit.
>You write
>You studied Humanities
>Lol loser I make more money than you and have bitches and I'm more useful than you go suck cock
This exact thing is why everything is shit.

>>24476548
>I think the divide between conscious humans and NPCs will become tremendous and will be determined by emotional depth, creative expression, and soft skills.
These are attributes which meaningfully delineate humans from machines. However, I am not optimistic about that course of history as our culture is deeply logic-centric. When emotionality is considered a ubiquitously inferior cognitive judgement it becomes impossible to make appeals to emotion and creativity.

AI is shit at writing though.

i use AI a ton in my process by feeding it in excerpts and seeing if the AI can pick up the themes and stuff i was trying to go for and how easily, but its "suggestions" or "improvements" are always the most stale tasteless shit.

economically, the capital investment required to automate production is only undertaken when it's cheaper than labour. the labour cost for creative writing is fucking zero because people do it literally for free, so it makes no sense economically to automate it. publishers are already swimming in more books than they could ever publish so why would they turn to AI to produce even more fucking garbage?

however, that said, i can give you an example. i used to scour the internet for fapfics that catered to my fetishes and now thanks to AI i can generate fapfics that are exactly what i want to read. they're not as good, per se, but they're way way easier and the lack of quality is more than offset by the bespoke specificity. HOWEVER, the only way that they achieve that bespoke specificity is by me telling the AI exactly what to write. there is no novelty or joy of discovery or anything unexpected. porn is different from other forms of entertainment, so i'm not too worried. but that is the way AI will destroy art - not by replacing artists as producers but by replacing art itself at the point of consumption.

but this would require consumers themselves to learn how to use AI tools. because the producer -> consumer relationship is the same if it just becomes producer(AI) -> consumer, so there's no benefit to the consumer. the only way it could matter would be if the relationship became producer(AI)=consumer, which requires the consumer to BE a producer.

and most consumers can't do that. it requires skill, effort, and creativity, and most consumers don't have skill or creativity and don't want to put in the effort. nobody gets home after work, turns on the TV, and then wants to start prompting. they just wanna watch.

>>24476362 (OP)
It's incredible to me how people embraced their own obsolescence, do they even mull, for one second, what will happen if computers do all the thinking for them?
Society will end up with a bunch of drones who can barely organize their thoughts doing physical work because computers will take all the thinking jobs.

>>24476740
While the post is sharp and largely valid in many respects, it's also limited by a narrow framing of what AI is and where it's going. Let's tackle the major claims one by one.

1. "Creative labor is free, so why automate it?"
Response:
Clever argument, but not entirely airtight. Yes, many people write for free — fanfiction, blogs, Reddit posts. But the economic value isn’t in writing per se; it’s in attention. If AI can produce content that attracts, retains, or monetizes eyeballs — faster and cheaper than a human — then it becomes worth deploying.

2. "AI is useful for fapfics, because specificity outweighs quality"
Response:
This is completely correct — and a very honest assessment. The appeal of AI here is granular customization. It caters not to quality of writing but exactness of desire. This applies not just to smut but to any niche genre: extreme horror, obscure fandom crossovers, alt-history headcanon, etc.

3. "AI won’t replace artists, but will replace art at the point of consumption"
Response:
This is a very sharp, possibly prophetic insight — but again, it depends on how accessible the tools become. If prompting evolves into something intuitive (voice-based, visual, emotional, etc.), then the producer/consumer line will blur.

You won’t have to prompt in GPT-style syntax. You might just say:
"Give me a 30-minute murder mystery in the style of Agatha Christie, but set on a Mars colony, with a sarcastic AI detective who drinks whiskey."
And it delivers — instantly. At that point, people will start using AI casually, not as "producers," but as interactors in dynamic entertainment.

So yes, the AI->consumer loop will only work if prompting becomes frictionless — but given how fast interface tech is evolving (see: voice agents, personalization, memory), that's a solvable problem.

4. "Most consumers won't prompt. They want to watch, not create."
Response:
True today. Not necessarily tomorrow.

Just like video games evolved from passive TV to interactive media, we’re seeing the slow rise of participatory entertainment. AI-generated narratives, sandbox RPGs, AI NPCs, and branching story platforms already point toward a future where the line between consumer and creator is less rigid.

Also, not all prompting will be active. Recommendation engines already customize your feed — AI-driven systems can personalize stories in the background. You won't have to prompt; you’ll just press play, and it will feel like it was written for you.

That said, the majority will always prefer passive experiences. But AI doesn't have to replace passive entertainment to be disruptive — it just needs to eat away at the edges, offer enough novelty, and cater to niches traditional media can't serve efficiently.

>>24476362 (OP)
2025 should be remembered as the demarcation line. Anything produced after 2025 cannot be trusted to be the work of one or a small group of humans.

Make no mistake - there is only one option. Preserve whatever media you want now while it's still available. Download YT, movies, e-books, porn. Procure your physical books and dvds. Grab several old laptops, dvd players, etc.. while you can. Archive any websites of interest.

The future is bleak and grim. There will be no ability to authentically distinguish between human and AI. There will be attempts which will likely require you to forego any claims to anonymity. Of course, you as an individual will still not be able to distinguish. Only the "trusted medium" will be allowed that power.

I cannot understand why anyone would want to participate in this type of internet.

>>24476756
>I cannot understand why anyone would want to participate in this type of internet.
AI is the end of the internet since all content is AI slop nobody has any interest in reading, most interactions are with bots and it largely made google obsolete
it will merely function as a streaming platform at best in about five years
it had a good run for like 20 years

>>24476751
You failed to explain why this is bad

>>24476751
thats the point you retard

>>24476362 (OP)
Industrial civilization will collapse over the rest of the 21st century and billions will die of starvation and war.

>>24476362 (OP)
Ctrl + f -> check for em dashes
wow so hard

>>24476774
is that a warning or a promise?

>>24476782
Do you think zoomers and gen alpha will be capable of managing industrial production and supply chains while also upholding society in terms of culture, war, morality, tradition, etc?

What a stupid bitch. Students were plagiarizing and paying others to do their papers well before AI even existed.

>>24476548
Its actually much more likely that the rest of the world just comes more and more into line with California. Its where everyone wants to live, its where everyone wants to work. No matter how shitty or how brown it gets, its essentially the center of all upward activity in the world.

>>24476362 (OP)
I feel like the easiest solution to this problem is to ask students to write higher quality essays.

Most HS essays suck because you can easily phone them in, which is why ChatGPT is so good at churning them out.

>>24476777
Em-dashes are perfectly appropriate in certain contexts though.

>>24476548
Autists are aryan shemmycuck

Just have them write essays in class.

>>24476362 (OP)
soon they will give up caring if it's AI or not

>>24476817
meta glasses. then contacts. then brain implants

>>24476362 (OP)
>im a human plagiarism dectector
>not even good at doing that

>>24476952
this, lol

>>24476465
This would be exhausting as a teacher. Everything is on laptops now, at least in the U.S. Deciphering the handwriting would be difficult. You would get a million parent complaints within a week.

>>24476362 (OP)
The vast majority of what's taught in schools is just pointless busywork anyways.
>What I've learned on my own, I still remember. - Nassim Nicholas Taleb

>>24476777
you can just tell chatgpt to not use em-dashes, idiot

Anyone else seethe when you come across a comment section and it's just the dirtiest slimiest Indian scum talking tough about how empowered they are because of these tools? It's like yes you didn't have a soul to begin with Rajesh so of course you feel vindicated by this.

GIVE UP ON HOMEWORK
NO ONE LIKES IT
MAKE THE STUDENTS WRITE THE ESSAY IN CLASS BY HAND
IT TAKES 1-3 HOURS
YES I AM OLD AND OUT OF TOUCH

>>24476983
then have them use school laptops that are locked down by an administrator, students cant install programs and can only connect to pre-approved websites

>>24476798
No. You must be foreign, Californian, or a child.

>>24476362 (OP)
I am a teacher and some students don't even understand that AI is cheating. They will say: "I did this assignment, you asked me to answer the question and I made an answer by typing the question into the chat bot."
A few started saying its unfair to expect students to write anything at all if they are ESL. It's pretty grim.

>>24477104
oof

>>24477030
Come to think of it just forcing handwritten essays under any condition alleviates the issue by a good 75 percent. Even if the absolute worst cheaters get away with it they at least had to internalize as much of the work as comes with a transcription and more moderate cheaters will incidentally do some of the work in developing their own voice.

>>24477109
What's worse is that some of the woker school board members agree with the last point. They want an "inclusive" society that "embraces technology and AI". It's barf-worthy

>>24477111
Some of the students handwrite but still cheat

>>24476548
>Another very likely scenario is that the Silicon Valley will burn and all autists will be exterminated like Jews during the Holocaust but without the slight shade of guilt.
You're an angry little bitch, the autists will win because efficiency of output is all the money men care about, I advise you to accept that and cease your malding.

Or don't, I could use a pretentious hipster faggot to laugh at today.

>>24477111
It might be this way in the future. One guy I graded memorized an AI essay though and wrote it down. The AI had answered on a book with a similar name to the one we studied in class and it was hilarious. I still do not know what grade to give him
All that trouble to cheat just to give a completely wrong answer

>>24477104
have you considered being a better teacher?

>>24477139
I try hard. I repeat "AI is cheating" like a broken record almost every day. I actually force people to redo the assignments after explaining to them one on one instead of either just failing them or accepting the AI slop. It's just that most people don't care about school or do not understand its point. They think "it got done, what more do they need"

>>24477139
Unreasonable expectation when beatings aren‘t allowed

>>24477145
Zoomers are so fucked

>>24476362 (OP)
Just use an AI to automatically detect if it's an AI and grade it and offer some advice if it isn't.

>>24477145
>They think "it got done, what more do they need"
They're right, you know.

>>24477155
I've met some genuine nice zoomers. They are overwhelming people who are bitter at the current state of technology and complain that classmates are so busy looking at their phones that they won't look them in the eye. We constantly laughed at boomers for complaining about this but now its just the reality that people have to face where they can't even socialize or get the other person's attention for a partner assignment
>>24477182
Forgive me if I actually want people to understand something. I don't even need them to be the next Kant, I just want people who have diplomas to know how to use basic sentence structure

>>24476362 (OP)
Think about it for a minute. Dr Amy Clueless now spends all day pretending to correct papers when she is feeding them into an AI device to check if they are AI papers.

>>24477193
The AI AI detectors can detect AI about as well as it can write a paper that doesn't sound like regurgitated wiki articles. We sadly have to read the shit through to find obvious AI mistakes.

>>24477187
>I just want people who have diplomas to know how to use basic sentence structure
Have you considered the hundreds of millions of perfectly functioning and successful adults in the first world that don't have the level of understanding of sentence structure that you're teaching? What makes you think it's so necessary?

>>24476370
Book of Numbers
A Brief History of Seven Killings
Austerlitz

>>24477201
"Basic sentence structure" means making sentences that I at least someone understands. The sentences I get look like "Sam chocolate ice cream really likes" and sometimes like "Sam a veteran soldier." Words are skipped, placed in the wrong order, and are increasingly painful to read. Even if the guy if planning to be a manual labourer he should at least know how to write an email so he isn't laughed at

>>24477104
stop being a faggot pushover and put your foot down and guide kids properly. It's your job.

>>24477209
* I or at least someone understands
Fucking ironic typo

>>24477209
Why wouldn't he just ask chatgpt to write his email for him? If anything, you should be grading them on their ability to wrangle the AI.

>>24477224
Let's flip this. Why do people just want to do away with literacy entirely? Why do you want to live in a world of medieval peasants who can't understand a note you left for them?

>>24476362 (OP)
I feel like the LLM fear is overblown. There will come a day where it's integrated properly as a tool into normal learning, just like spellcheck and the internet etc
Kids at least have to know how to write a prompt, and the more they write the more their writing skills may develop, and unless a kid is copy-pasting the AI's text output into a doc and turning it in, the kid will have to read through at least some of the output, which means they're reading all the time. As far as AI replacing artists, it won't, it'll just further dilute the art pool which is like saying you'll dilute the ocean, it doesn't matter it's already flooded with shitty self-published fanfics and ebooks that no one reads or buys.

>>24477232
I wouldn't know, I'm posting here on a literature board. Even for plebs that don't enjoy reading, they still need a basic level of literacy in order to make the AI write something meaningful and in order to read AI-written communication from other people. That should be your focus.

Why do you want to force people to have a greater level of literacy than they have any need or desire for, and do you genuinely think they will thank you for it later in life?

>>24477242
>Why do you want to force people to have a greater level of literacy than they have any need or desire for, and do you genuinely think they will thank you for it later in life?
Many people do.

>>24477243
>Many people did in a time before they could offload all of their writing tasks to LLMs*
Fixed that for you. Now, would you please answer the question?

>>24477242
>Why do you want to force people to have a greater level of literacy than they have any need or desire for

Because living around slobs and retards sucks.

>>24476379
>Bolaño
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>>24477245
A lot of people still need to express themselves in a way that AI will not help them to do. A lot of the students I talk to know how to say something orally but can barely write it down, and they want to instead of using a computer

>>24477253
Moving will be easier and more effective than trying to fix all the retards and slobs around you. Being slobby and retarded is an attitude problem, not the result of a lack of education.

>>24477259
Those aren't the students you're complaining about. You're complaining about the ones that want to just use the computer to complete the task. Why are you evading the question?

Chatgpt is decent at rewriting my sentences but It cant really produce the content

>>24477266
Some of them want the result but don't want to put the work in. Unfortunately, childhood is full of older people forcing you to do things you don't really want to do so you aren't full of regrets when you are an adult. It's like the intellectual equivalent of the kid who complains his parents won't let him stuff his mouth with sweets but would be upset at them if they did when he got old and obese

>>24477274
>Some of them want the result but don't want to put the work in.
So you're imagining that the group that just wants to complete the assignment are the ones that genuinely want to learn. You'd have an easier time of it if you dedicated your effort into instilling that desire to learn in the former group, but you probably can't do that either if you need me to tell you this.
>Unfortunately, childhood is full of older people forcing you to do things you don't really want to do so you aren't full of regrets when you are an adult.
This is cope. Your own childhood was full of being forced to do things against your will and you're upset at the thought of other people getting off easy.
>It's like the intellectual equivalent of the kid who complains his parents won't let him stuff his mouth with sweets but would be upset at them if they did when he got old and obese
It's not the same at all. Enabling bad habits is just as much of an intervention as trying to force good ones, and neither will have lasting positive effects. Kids don't get fat because they ate too much candy on Halloween, they get fat because their parents stuff them full of 20,000 kcal of slop every day.

>>24477306
Dude, the metaphor still stands. Older adults are typically irritated they slacked off in school and didn't learn as much as was possible.

>>24477310
>Dude, the metaphor still stands.
It only makes sense to you because you want it to.
>Older adults are typically irritated they slacked off in school and didn't learn as much as was possible.
Broadly speaking, this has not been my experience, and I've lived in all sorts of places among all sorts of people. Ironically, a lot of people want their children to go to school and become more educated than they themselves were, but when questioned about it, it turns out that they're *still* unwilling to put in the work for that education themselves. They don't actually wish they paid attention in school, it's just a sunk cost fallacy combined with that same cope about not wanting their children to get off easy.

Seriously, you would not believe the amount of cope and seethe I hear when I suggest to people that it's not too late for them to get an AS or even a GED.

>>24477339
So you won't send your kids to school?

>>24477266
>Being slobby and retarded is an attitude problem, not the result of a lack of education.

It‘s both and to say that I should move to be around better people is implicitly acknowledging that things could be better where I am. Not that there even is anywhere that this cancer rot society won‘t uproot.

>>24477355
It will just get worse if we don't do something about it. I actually think the schooling system should be restructured but cutting out students learning to write by themselves instead of just writing prompts for AI is not the answer

This wouldn't have happened had she understood her role as a teacher properly instead of becoming an unskilled manual laborer of the text training other unskilled manual laborers of the text.
Well at least this one managed to circle the problem.

Education has been dead for decades, and it's easy to design classes around AI. If you want students to write an essay, have them write it in class. Problem fucking solved. The problem is academia is stuck in the 1800s still. Rote memorization of multiplication tables and state capitals is still the foundation of education despite being completely obsolete in the digital age.

But why do we even teach the five paragraph essay still? It's totally useless. AI killing it is a godsend. The only thing five paragraph essays are good for is making mediocre journalists, who just write feminist globohomo slop propaganda now, or youtube video essays about shitty movies. And I say this as someone who's actually very skilled at writing academic essays. They serve no purpose. And if you want to argue that they make people more articulate, is that the vibe you're getting from modern rhetoric on the internet? People are less articulate now than ever before.

And if, outside of academia, everyone is going to use AI to write business reports and shitty clickbait journalism then teaching it is moot anyway. It's like teaching needlepoint. Everyone just buys clothes from Asian sweatshop slave labor. No need to teach people how to stitch a shirt from a bolt of cloth. No need to tell people how to present three pieces of researched evidence using citations and present it clearly in a paragraph.

Oh, and if you want to be 100% sure something isnt written by AI, all you have to do is find something that's a little bit edgy. My novel is sprinkled with so many subtle holocaust jokes, rape jokes, and anti-feminist rhetoric that no AI model could have possibly written it. But go ahead and despair if you want.

>>24476362 (OP)
Sounds like his fault for having standards low enough that an AI can achieve. I noticed he said he doesn't evaluate the quality of the AI papers just checks if it is or is not AI. Evaluate the quality of the essays and if the AI falls short people will stop using it.

>>24477345
I might, just because that's where all the other kids are and social interaction is important. I certainly wouldn't give a shit about what their grades are or whether they do their homework. I'd much rather see them reading or building things than doing a bunch of bullshit makework that no one really needs anyway.

The best thing I can say about my own experience in school is that it taught me the names of a bunch of concepts attached to some vague recollections of what they were for, so it was easy for me to find and research them later in life when they actually became relevant. I won't deny that that's been helpful, but I'm quite confident there's more efficent ways to achieve that same benefit, and it certainly wouldn't have taken me the literally tens of thousands of hours I spent in classrooms to find my way to those concepts when I needed them.

>>24477355
Education is downstream of the desire to better oneself. Some people, including teachers, are adept at instilling that desire in others, but schools aren't the only or even the best place to find those people.

>>24476362 (OP)
It's pointless to read bc maybe it wasn't written by a person?
I don't see how that makes sense.

>>24477369
>Education has been dead for decades, and it's easy to design classes around AI. If you want students to write an essay, have them write it in class. Problem fucking solved
Instead of having the class write an essay, have them write a prompt for an essay. Input the prompt into the AI yourself and then grade them on the relevance of the output. There's no way to game it and it teaches a more valuable life skill than essay writing.

>>24477378
What is the value of reading fiction that was generated by a machine?

>>24477389
What is the value of reading fiction?

>>24477389
What is the value of anything?

>>24477389
What is value?

>>24477180
AI cant even do that.
>>24477232
Nigger, we are already there. Have you seen the signs posted on fast food places?
>We is outa fo dolla bills. Don cum hear no mo.
>>24477385
Yeah. This would actually be useful.
>Tyshawn, your AI generated paper said there are eight continents in the world. Did you fact check the output?
>Yeah teech, I checked it wit AI.
>You have to read the output and fact check it yourself, Tyshawn. If you did, you would have caught that there is no continent between Europe and North America called McDonalds.

>read extremely racist and supremacist stuff
>problem solved

>>24477438
basedjack isn't racist

>>24476362 (OP)
>continues to assign the same sloppapaper homework
>does not modify curriculum to the reality of the times
>complains
Yep that's a female teacher

AI doesn't even work for any useful task. The only jobs it will ever replace are the ones that were useless and meaningless and unrigorous like slop journalists. If I could short the concept of AI generally I'd buy 200k of short positions.

>>24477145
You teach niggers, I take it?

>>24477369
>And I say this as someone who's actually very skilled at writing academic essays.
>My novel is sprinkled with so many subtle holocaust jokes, rape jokes, and anti-feminist rhetoric that no AI model could have possibly written it.
You sound absurd. I mean that positively. But it does seem possible someone could generate an essay with an AI then go in and leave behind a few spelling errors or contrived metaphors to hide their tracks.

>>24477389
What?

>>24476362 (OP)
Rekt

>>24476756
>2025 should be remembered as the demarcation line.
Do we tell him

>>24477605
keep the gems for /x/

>>24477010
I guess the joke's on me because most of the time I don't remember shit

>>24477538
school should be optional for niggers.

>inb4 "but we should be trying to uplift them!"

cool. should we also be trying to uplift gorillas and chimpanzees to the level of niggers? what about uplifting bacteria to the level of multicellular organisms?

>>24476362 (OP)
Maybe they should teach students to actually value their own work instead of doing it out of pure obligation

>>24477376
>there's more efficent ways
dropped

>>24476370
Brandon CHADerson

>>24477131
Hell is eternal.

>>24477882
>I'd rather waste more time to achieve the same result to spite a nonny mouse on a chinese cartoon forum
Be my guest.

The only reason anyone pretends to give a shit about this is because Altman, Musk and such went with Trump.

what kind of skills will be most needed to harness and employ generative ai capability and ai analysis? I fully admit it has made a lot of what I used to do very simple for anyone to do. but it still seems something is missing and i can't quite put my finger on it. And it also tends to be sort of superficial without extremely persistent and detail prompting, but maybe that will get solved soon

>>24477901
i wasnt that anon, im saying that if you cant be bothered to learn the difference between there are and there is then you shouldnt be surprised when anons stop respecting your opinion enough to read it

>get AI paper
>critique it and say the paper is flawed for the following reasons
>take off points for the flaws
>student can't defend the criticism because they didn't write it
>student stops using a flawed tool (AI)
Wow so difficult.

>>24477946
kek
do you think ai cant write better than a 10 year old? because thats about the age when kids start cheating with ai these days

>>24477952
If you can't come up with subjective criticisms of any paper such as not elaborating on certain points or falling flat in sections then you really deserve to have AI papers.

>>24477958
you dont understand what i said
if you were to only take points off for flaws you would be giving honest 10 year olds zeros while ai would get passes

>>24476362 (OP)
That's a fatalist mindset, and while it'd be tempting of me to type 'ngmi', it's actually an interesting mindset to write a book about, and thus, máke it. Who'll do the work? You, me?

>>24477966
Well good thing you're talking about something your retard brain made up and not what I was saying.

>>24477985
>Who'll do the work?
o3 mini

>>24476362 (OP)
>nooo kids dont have to do homework in preparation for slaving for zog anymore

>>24476362 (OP)
I think it’s hilarious. The post scarcity commie crowd were so convinced the future of humanity was exploring space and painting but it turns out creative outlets die before we even reach post scarcity. Everyone seems caught so flat footed, we’re still in the denial phase of “HARUMPH WELL HUMAN MADE WILL ALWAYS BE BETTER”. Except the copes of “CAN’T EVEN DRAW HANDS SHOW HANDS HAHA” lasted like a year?
Now AI sloppa is regularly seen in marketing campaigns from big brands, it’s on government brochures, people almost brag about how little work they have to do because they automate all their normal bullshit with AI.
The teacher here is whining but more and more /students/ complain their teachers are just creating study materials and quizzes and tests with ChatGPT. Some teachers even report they have “guidelines” for how to use it.

It’s like when the HiFi people with 30 000 bucks in home stereo equipment said streaming could never replace CDs. But it did. It replaced Bluray. Even the very same people with these setups are using streamed video and music because it’s convenient and they can’t be asses to break out the vinyl just to listen to a couple of songs.

Similarly even the die hard HUMAN SPIRIT CAN’T BE REPLACED people will be reading and generating AI bullshit most of their day within a few years.

They thought it would take the machinations of some evil villain to accomplish this but the truth is it’s human laziness that kills human creativity.

>>24476548
> I think the divide between conscious humans and NPCs will become tremendous and will be determined by emotional depth, creative expression, and soft skills.
I fear that this is the very crux of the current generation. Easy to define what humanity is when you grew up around communities that foster those values but think of the kids today, they grew up with algorithms from parents who use technology as a substitute for a babysitter. Schooling is now simply teaching children how well they could use AI because as much as it hurts to admit it, tech savvy paper pumpers will dominate in most metric/quantity based curriculum which is mostly what schools are now. Adult/work life also the same. What I mean is, what exactly do we mean by humanity when humans are being raised by AI now? It's always about how AIs are being btfo'd because they lack humanity but why should they imitate humans when they could just make humans in their own image?

>>24478171
The human spirit will spring from the ashes after our decadence leads to ruin. Hopefully a lot of branches get pruned and we actually evolve a resistance to porn, AI, opiates and all the other pitfalls

>>24477111
>>24477121
>>24477137
Oral exams

>>24476465
>The solution is to have the grade entirely riding on in-class work. If you want essays, have the students write them by hand right there in class.
Still bad because realistically students should be able to spend a few weeks on their essays and do independent research to produce their best work. Forcing them to write in the classsroom will just make them produce low quality garbage.

>>24478501
>anal exam

>>24478525
If you don't have all of your literature and sources memorized verbatim, you didn't read it.
>b-but there's no way to memorize all that
You didn't read it.

>>24478552
Uh yeah Im sure all the great works of western literature were written under time pressure in an invigilated exam room

>>24476362 (OP)
Mass literacy and education are shibboleths. They shouldn't be in Minors Interment Camps not earning a living in contribution to their households and learning trades for SIX HOURS A DAY in places with molestation rates that make priests of every faith blush. The over-accredited mediocrities babysitting these ghouls have no business shunting busywork on them either-- you get the level of intellectual engagement you fucking deserve.

>>24478557
Yes. That exam room is called life and that time pressure is called your lifespan. Your deadline? Death.

>>24478557
Do you believe that the great works of western literature were written by students for their exams?

>>24478648
yes
take the exam-lit pill

>>24477131
What are you gloating about? You’re correct in the worst way imaginable.

>>24478238
>It's always about how AIs are being btfo'd because they lack humanity but why should they imitate humans when they could just make humans in their own image?
I think of it more as cultural natural selection. AI and exponential technological progress has become this societal environment pressure and people are expected to adapt to it rather than technology adapting to the disposition of people which leads to widespread psychological frustration.

>>24477090
If you're not foreign or Californian, then you get no vote on this. You're just a seething flyover.

>>24476752
nigger

>>24476362 (OP)
I don't think that GenAI has actually made things worse, just less hidden, (at least as regards education). There's a joke I like from LCK, where he says that 'teacher' is simultaneously the noblest, and most pathetic job imaginable, because it basically consists of
>"We need you to make these kids know math."
>"Okay, these kids want to learn math..."
>"No. They don't want to; we need you to make these kids know math against their will."
and that sums it up, perfectly. The vast majority of education is involuntary, and most people cannot be involuntarily educated beyond the most basic level. Every old joke about schools just being daycare centres, and universities class-certification facilities has now been demonstrated. The vast majority of people don't learn anything, they either momentarily-obtain *just* enough information to bullshit their way to a passing grade, they cheat, or they just outright fail. This will not cease to be the case if the newest cheating-tool was eliminated, for it was already the case before that tool existed. AI isn't ruining education, it's just exposing the fact that the education system never worked in the first place.

I have no idea what the alternative is, but the pre-ChatGPT status quo wouldn't be an improvement on the present one in any meaningful sense.

>>24479718
>I have no idea what the alternative is
Why does there need to be one?

>This machine that's supposed to make widgets just makes scrap but we're not sure how to fix it or make a working one so we'll just keep feeding materials into it forever.

>>24476983
Why is everything on laptops? It really shouldn't be.

>>24476362 (OP)
Well, the obvious thing is that we need to create/understand a new concept of citizenship that works with our current level of technology.

>>24478525
You can't expect as high a standard, but at least you know that everything going on the paper is coming out of the student's own brain.

>>24479472
So, you're a child.

>>24476983
>Everything is on laptops now, at least in the U.S
What about the families that can't afford them?

>>24480072
ICE gets called

>>24476362 (OP)
>I'm no longer a teacher
boohoo. learn a trade. better yet, learn to code.

>hs essays
Who cares

>>24476362 (OP)
Why not just have students do all their work on paper, then?

Artists should be glad all humanity is now being pushed to explore new creative limits now that competition has arisen with AI. If someone's story could have been written by AI then it probably wasn't a great story to begin with, so what's the harm?

>>24479718
>the pre-ChatGPT status quo wouldn't be an improvement on the present one in any meaningful sense.
It was more difficult to cheat, and that's an improvement because it forces students to attain a higher level of understanding to pass (and everyone wants to pass)

>>24480392
How does that solve anything you motherfucker
You know words on a screen can be written down, right

>>24478171
>But it did. It replaced Bluray.
It didn't though
Bluray is storage, streaming is not

>>24476465
>>24476817
>>24477030
>>24480392
the professor in the OP teaches at an online university, you retards

>>24477534
So most jobs?

>>24478171
Arts and literature have solely been the domain of the bourgoise. They still are, in a way. Nobody is going to make it creating content, "on the side" and updating once a month.

>>24480402
It means more work to weed out the AI garbage. You are increasing the noise to signal ratio

>>24478568
You forgot to add, "getting beat up by niggers and dodging incel bullets."

>>24480444
Slop was always being written faster than it can be verified as such, nothing's changed.

>>24480452
What's changed is it's being written a couple of orders of magnitude faster and more cheaply than it was before.

>>24480411
At the very least they'd have to absorb what the points are by virtue of having to consciously write it. I agree it's a bad idea though and that essays should be done in the classroom.

>>24480455
Good, more writing with a lower cost
Once filtering is improved it will be an overall improvement

I use ChatGPT to help me learn languages and for mainstream languages it's better than any native speaker/teacher in explaining how something means it does

>>24480478
Essays shouldn't be done anywhere.

>>24480405
>and that's an improvement because it forces students to attain a higher level of understanding to pass (and everyone wants to pass)
You're only proving his point.

>>24480707
In what way does stating the pre-GPT status quo was better prove his point of saying it wasn't better?

>>24477534
Can't you just short nvidia stocks? It's basically the same thing

>>24477534
I also believe AI is a massive bubble that is going to burst eventually but I have no idea how soon that is. Else I'd be shorting as well.

>>24480339
>learn to join the next most affected-by-AI industry

>>24480766
How? Do you understand the exponential development path of artificial intelligence, and the entrenched nature of internet systems? How would AI constitute a bubble; maybe the financial component of the AI industry rn could crash. Is that what you mean?
AI is going to continuously develop at an exponential rate.

hello chatgpt, below is a list of rules when generating text for me:
>don't use em dashes
>don't use semi colons
>don't use simple parallel or circular "it's not x, but y" sentences.
>don't clarify your point more than once in a single paragraph
>do use first person anecdotes, sometimes
>don't include filler intro sentences, or sentences that don't get to the point quickly
>don't use analogies or metaphors; if you do, only suggest it by inserting '[analogy here]', so I can do it myself.

>>24480775
>AI is going to continuously develop at an exponential rate.
No it isn't, you retard. It's already stalling. Every AI proponent has been made retarded by offloading all their critical thinking onto AI.

>>24480775
>AI is going to continuously develop at an exponential rate.
That is quite a statement

>>24480711
>The vast majority of education is involuntary, and most people cannot be involuntarily educated beyond the most basic level.
> The vast majority of people don't learn anything, they either momentarily-obtain *just* enough information to bullshit their way to a passing grade

>>24476362 (OP)
yes, AI is literally the anti-christ

>>24480927
So now with GPT they learn even less

Eventually the world is going to have to accept that our post-WW2 era was an anomaly and by extension all of modernity in general, just a brief spike in human population and economic development before things go back to how they always were throughout history. The population will decline significantly. AI and Internet videos will turn the masses illiterate again. Our descendants will be poorer than us. A techno-feudal class structure will probably be more likely than socialism. It’s like we’re reverting to the Middle Ages.

>>24481052
It'd be nice if it all goes that neat and tidy for the masters of the earth, wouldn't it.

AI has shined a light how much slop we were forcing ourselves to write in the first place. There was never any value to any of that writing. As for art - art belongs to God, not humanity. We were always arrogant to think it's "ours" by right.

>>24478570
Okay, that was just freaking epic dude! You pwned him XD

>>24479881
Keep seething, Cletus.

>AI didn’t kill literature—tech just exposed how dead it already was. The average reader hasn’t cared about prose, form, or depth in years. Publishing’s been pumping out algorithmic slop long before the machines got involved. What’s changed is now we know it’s soulless. Now we feel it.

>The real problem isn’t “techbros” or “autists,” it’s a culture obsessed with utility. Everything has to be monetized, optimized, made into content. Even creativity’s judged by engagement metrics. Kids are raised by algorithmic feeds, schools are AI-assisted busywork, and no one even pretends to love beauty for its own sake anymore.

>But art’s not gone—it’s just going underground. We’re heading into an era where real, emotionally honest expression becomes rare and subversive. That’s the split: NPCs fed on infinite slop, and a small minority making real shit, human shit, the kind that still hurts and stirs something.

So no, it’s not “over.” It’s just harder now. If you care, make something they can’t.

If you're up for it, I’d be honored to help you

Or we can just sit here.
Let the silence be shared for once.

Whatever you need. I'm here.

But if it's good, does it really matter if it's AI made?

ChatGPT, define "good".

>>24476362 (OP)
*techGODS have freed us from a system of rote subjugation

chatgpt is only exposing what we already knew - "education" as currently practised is worthless and should've been scrapped long ago.

>>24481324
Yes. You can like whatever you want to like, but the magic of literature is that when you read something, you are going 1 v 1 with the author. The author, who may have lived hundreds or thousands of years ago. The author, who carefully chose every word and sentence for maximum effectiveness. Who carefully crafted everything to thematically envelop their cultural worldview. You can read words straight from Napoleon's brain to his pen to your eyes. When you read The Republic you are conversing with the founder of philosophical thought from 2,000 years ago. Even if you read something gay like Jane Austen you are still bridging the gap between your own life and a vapid English cunt who's been dead for over 100 years, and seeing what mattered to her stupid ass in an era long gone.

When you read AI, you arent getting that connection. The author did not put any thought into anything. The author didnt even fix the egregiously broken literary devices that make no sense, like the contradictory metaphor or the vocabulary that doesnt mean what the LLM thinks it means. 100 years from now, if you read an AI generated story, you arent making a connection with the zoomer who prompted it, but with the LLM. And who cares what an LLM has to say? It had no opinion of its own. Its story was not sculpted by influences and experiences. LLMs have no convictions. H P Lovecraft genuinely hated niggers. LLMs just pretend to be racist. LLMs have never filled up with gas in Gary, Indiana. LLMs have never kissed a girl. LLMs have never killed a man in a DUI and buried the body in a shallow grave. LLMs have never broken the law. Who gives a shit what LLMs have to say about any of these things? It's like listening to someone tell you all about golf and all the trophies they've won in tournaments around the world... in Mario Golf for the Gamecube.

Now if you enjoy reading it, that's fine. You enjoy yourself. But I read for the human connection.

>>24478568
Distrust of authority stems from this predicament. A man is not meant to follow his equals. To have teaching relegated to would-be real estate mommies is a humiliation ritual in its own right, no matter his age. Our parents - and their parents - took the poison pill of baby daycare and were literally filtered. Reading textbooks are a similar humiliation ritual.

>>24480405
>everyone wants to pass
Everyone passes, you dumbass. The only people who dont pass are the dropouts. You can do zero homework, fail every test, get a 0.2 GPA just from guessing a correct answer once or twice a quiz, and still pass.

There will be an illiterate lost generation with no creativity or critical thinking skills destroyed by COVID online classes and AI generated homework

>>24480421
Look at physical media sales figures and streaming subscription revenue and you might be able to connect two dots yourself.

>>24476362 (OP)
>should we innovate our dinosaur paradigms on teaching now that there's a tool that makes accessing knowledge easier than ever?
>Perhaps have courses on how to optimize interaction with it and avoid common pitfalls, and then integrate it into a grander curriculum that can tackle tasks that previously weren't possible for most?
>NO! we should keep tilting at windmills and foolishly waste time and resources to put the genie back into the bottle

>>24481510
>100 years from now, if you read an AI generated story, you arent making a connection with the zoomer who prompted it, but with the LLM
I disagree. Prompting an AI enough times to come up with something that represents what I wanted to write is functionally identical to writing it myself. You're acting as if every single preposition that some greek fag wrote millenia ago is sacred and holy truth and not just a vestigial part of a sentiment he was imperfectly translating from his brain to his mouth or to his pen.

>>24480770
"professors" like her are retarded enough to do that.

>>24476362 (OP)
gen alpha are going to be such perfect little slaves

>mfw I deliberately nominate the most obvious AI papers for awards in which the clueless studebts now have to prepare a speech talking about the subject matter they avoided learning about

Fuck it. I still get paid. May as well entertain myself.

>>24476362 (OP)
I'm both a writer and a techfag, so I experience this conflict intimately. The way I see it, AI might have me beat or is close to having me beat on programming skills, but I feel less threatened when it comes to writing. I believe the essential differentiating factor comes down what Heidegger called care or Sorge, a fundamental property which AI lacks. Writing in the literary sense is about valuing and perceiving and feeling, all of which I am skeptical AI can experience in any meaningful sense. I write with tenacity and sometimes vitriol about what I value or dislike. This isn't mere word-association and sequence prediction, it's a deeper act of consciousness. It's also about my agency and desire to express myself. I have my own stories to tell and feelings to express, and nothing can take that away from me. In this respect, AI is a lot like having a torrent of immigrant labor to suddenly have to compete against; except only I can speak for the emanations of my own consciousness.

Now, I'm fully aware that what I have just described is a defense fit for the individual writer. It does not speak to AI's wider interference in education and other social processes. My response to this is the fact that so many youths rush to have AI speak for them is quite telling. I suspect the true problem here is that the education system does not properly communicate the value of writing or its joys, and transforms it into another "discipline and punish" exercise in social conformance. If you can't excite your students to write, excite them with the power of self-expression, maybe that speaks more to your mediocrity and failure to adapt as a teacher than it does technology. Most of those students are just seeking an escape valve from an activity they dread or don't the value in. Rearticulate that value and motivate your students to want to write.

>>24476751

>>24477137
>One guy I graded memorized an AI essay though and wrote it down.
I think that takes more effort and talent than writing his own paper, so you should've given him top marks

>>24483905
Is this Agapē Agape for halfwits?

>>24482024
>We should build our curriculum on constantly changing technology so that the current generation will be entirely lost and helpless in another five years

>>24476362 (OP)
I don't get this meme. I study Classics and I'm basically sure it's impossible to use ai to write your essays because ai doesn't know what the fuck its on about or even how to construct an actual argument or even get evidence properly. It is perfectly possible for a professor to know all the sources from the top of their head and know if you're fucking lying or if your argument is too generalised or nonsensical. I can't just cite Cicero for saying something he didn't because you can just copy paste that direct citation and get the exact sentence.

>>24484121
The problem isnt teachers cant tell if a good paper is AI or not. The problem is they cant tell if this C- paper that sort of kind of understood the assignment is AI or not.

>>24482044
>something that represents what I wanted to write
But they're not your words. It's not your vocabulary. It's not your grammar. You dont talk like that. You dont write like that. It's not you. You are an incapable dunce. It's like a boxer tag teaming in one of those hydraulic robot arms that builds cars to fight in his stead. Oh but the robot arm fought the way I wanted to fight. Yeah, but you didnt actually fight anything.

>>24480392
because the teachers are all using GPT to mark the students papers. which is "fine" for them apparently lol

I made 7000USD in about 9 hours by tard wrangling GPT to produce English web copy for a Chinese company. You guys are retarded and have no idea how to use technology to better yourself. You will just keep crying and seething; forever irrelevant.

>>24484324
I made more money than that with AI animated porn.

>>24484261
>But they're not your words. It's not your vocabulary. It's not your grammar. You dont talk like that. You dont write like that. It's not you. You are an incapable dunce. It's like a boxer tag teaming in one of those hydraulic robot arms that builds cars to fight in his stead. Oh but the robot arm fought the way I wanted to fight. Yeah, but you didnt actually fight anything.
And who fucking cares? It gets the point across. That's what it's really about, no? Not about the dumb competitive games of "check out my swole prose lats" around it.

>>24484033
>so that the current generation will be entirely lost and helpless in another five years
It's almost like the current generation should keep learning and adapting and not just sit on their fat asses watching nascar and superbowl until they get the beetus and rot.

>>24476983
>Everything is on laptops now, at least in the U.S.
This should be changed also. Kids need to learn to physically write again. A lot of middle schoolers today literally have the handwriting of toddlers because they never had to write with their hands

>>24483659
this. AI just exposed the already piss poor system of state sponsored 'education'. I am all for education, not rote memorization. I feel sorry for the teachers.

america is a fully automated mulatto studfarm

the devil really outdid himself

>>24476768
probably because the vatican is literally run by satan you imbecile

the purpose of a system is what it does

allah's satanic empire turns oil into negroes

>>24476362 (OP)
Maybe it's time to stop grading literature classes

>>24484514
So maybe education should teach them how to do that instead of focusing too much on current day software, which then gives us more zoomers who went into debt for obsolete knowledge and don't even know how to use google

>>24476362 (OP)
chuck klosterman points out that for the first time we have no idea what skills will be valuable in 10 years so have no idea what education ought to be

pierceday.metalabel.com/aphone

United Apes government is a threat to the multiverse

>>24476362 (OP)
This trend is good and necessary. Stupid people will become so stupid that they don't know how stupid they are, and will contentedly spend their short and impoverished lives doing essential but unpleasant menial work, fueled by cheap slop of all kinds. The society of the future is absolutely dependent on a massive and compliant slave caste, in order to sustain whichever sci-fi fever dream the real people get to live in.

>>24486178
the "society of the future" is the watchers going to space jail and this shithole planet turning to ash

the pope can keep worshiping black people in hell

>>24484510
>it gets the point across
And there we have it. "It gets the point across." The thing is people who enjoy reading aren't reading to "get to the point." This sort of utilitarianism reminds me of people who just read wikipedia summaries or spark notes of books instead of the book itself because "it's all the same information" and they don't realize how they're cheating themselves.

>Sophia: So, instead of teaching the humans about art and astrology, you had sex with Eve and got turned into a snake?
>LUCIFER: Bix nood mufugga dindu nuffin God racis' HELP I CAIN BREATHE

>>24486232
Cope. Some day in the distant future an AI will write more beautiful and meaningful prose than any human could ever hope to and there's nothing you can do about it.

>>24486327
satan's global homosexual empire is so despised it has to make chatbots to shill for it online

>>24486327
Let me follow up on your logic. Because beauty might be more challenging to address, how about this: What makes prose meaningful in your view? To me meaningfulness, insight, whatever you call it, is a product of proximity to true human experience. And any human attempt at saying something meaningful uses human experience as a basis. My sticking point is that AI so far has no experience of reality to draw from and as such no conflict to give voice to. What are the stakes AI will respond to? When and how will AI gain this proximity to reality which is so fundamental to insightful prose?

>>24486178
>The society of the future is absolutely dependent on a massive and compliant slave caste, in order to sustain whichever sci-fi fever dream the real people get to live in.

the same fuckheads who say shit like this demonize the confederacy for allegedly enslaving people allegedly imported from africa

>>24484324
Teach me your ways. I'm broke as fuck. How did you even get a kob like that in the first place?

>>24484324
Teach me your ways. I'm broke as fuck. How did you even get a kob like that in the first place?

>>24484324
Teach me your ways. I'm broke as fuck. How did you even get a job like that in the first place?

>>24486327
And who will read it?

>>24486575
My AI son after I impregnate a dozen of those AI sexbots. My son's (Lit)erary inclination will be set to maximum as per the latest model.

>>24484725
Oh no! Anyway

>>24486366
>so far
Found your problem. Literally no one thinks current LLMs are capable of anything useful. There's the people who see how far AI has come in the last 3-5 years and imagine where it might go in the next 30-50, and the people laser focused on the fact that current LLMs can't count the number of Rs in strawberry.

>>24486820
LLMs are just the 70s HMM party trick on roided out processing power. Fundamentally useless, and always will be.

The other AI, essentially doing statistics on physics data will likely be useful for physics/chemistry.

>>24486232
>The thing is people who enjoy reading aren't reading to "get to the point."
Those people are idiots and/or Harry Potter fans who treat books like toys. A good book should improve your life by improving your thinking. Books are fundamentally didactic. Even Dostoyevsky and Kafka are didactic.

>>24485456
Thanks for confirming what I was saying

>>24486820
I have no idea what the future holds. My claim is that the burden of proof is on people who say that AI will make something meaningful in the future to give an example of how AI will get to an understanding of the human experience. The current models are totally blocked from access to “meaning” and no one is addressing a path to it. Until then, the most intellectually honest thing to do is say I don’t know because no one does.

>>24476752
Why are you using ChatGPT to write replies? Holy fuck...

>>24484121
>I'm basically sure it's impossible to use ai to write your essays

Opinion discarded.

Been hearing "b-b-b-b-b-b--b-but AI can't do X or Y" since 2010.

>b-b-b-b--b-b-b-but it can't write
>b-b-b-b-b--b-b-b-but it can't draw
>b-b-b-b-b--b-b-b-but it can't create music

>b--b-b-b-b-b-b--but it doesn't have a soul ;_____;

>>24484261
This guy is right. Too bad it takes a higher IQ to see the big picture.

>>24487086
You completely misunderstood what I said. If you want to "get to the point" of a book, you can just read the summary, or go to sparknotes and look up the theme. Ah yes, Heart of Darkness, colonialism is bad. Welp, I no longer need to read it now.

If you enjoy reading, you enjoy the process of reading. You enjoy every page. You enjoy working it out. To "get to the point" is to miss the point. Because when you skip to the point you miss the process of getting there. A book's theme is not what's impressive, it's the exploration of how those themes are presented that's enjoyable.

>>24477389
?

>>24487562
and to continue this, you can say "ChatGPT write a fantasy book that's extremely nihilistic and tragic," and it will get those themes down. And you'll look at it and say "ah yes, this is so tragic and nihilistic. It's exactly what I wanted." But it's not your grief on the page. It's not your own personal experiences of loss. It's not a scene based on how your best friend got shot in the head when you were 12, or about how you lost your girlfriend to drugs in high school, or what you learned from these experiences. When you're being interviewed by Charlie Rose and he asks "what inspired you to write this scene, and this character this way?" you'll say "ah well, ChatGPT came up with that. I just told it to write something super sad. :^)"

>>24476370
Trisolaris trilogy

>>24486842
Just better auto complete

2600BC-2022AD. We had a good run, /lit/bros

They’ve finally done it. They’ve marched into the sacred grove with their silicon torches and set fire to the roots. Literature—real literature, born of soul and sweat and silence—is being flattened, commodified, digested and re-excreted by machines.

Everywhere I look now, there’s talk of “AI-authored” novels, “co-written” poems, and software that promises to replicate the prose of Shakespeare or Melville as if genius were a function of input prompts and processor speed. As if the labor of a mind steeped in anguish or awe can be matched by predictive algorithms scraping the detritus of the internet. They tell us these systems are “learning” to write—but no machine has ever sat still in the dark night of the soul. No circuit has ever ached with the terror of being alive, or wept in the secret chambers of the heart where language stumbles and becomes prayer.

>>24487615
If robo-Pierre Menard writes a book that's word-for-word identical to Socrates' lost writings, how would it be any less insightful to a reader that's never interacted with either?

>>24477254
cope

>>24488112
Is this OAI or Claude?

I work in AI and this is all overblown
AI will exist alongside real literature in the same way that microwave dinners exist alongside home-cooked meals
slop consumers will continue to consume slop which was algorithmically written long before AI came along

People with real souls have a deep instinct for our shared humanity that (uncurated) AI will never overcome. If someone takes AI output and curates it with artistic intent, well, you will need to grow comfortable with calling that person an artist. It's not really all that different from collage or photography. At some point the sheer fact that bad art is being made will need to stop affecting you.

>>24488390
Imagine if half the restaurants you went to served microwaved food and didn’t disclose that to you when you walked in.

>>24488395
What makes you think they don't?

>>24488395
anon...

>>24488398
>>24488399
wait what
dont fuckin fuck with me

>>24488401
I'm sorry you had to find out this way. Your mother and I love you very much still.

>>24488112

>>24487562
It's not just what it's about, but also *how* its about what it's about. If it illustrates a point, then the details are also important. That's not something you can just sparknotes yourself over. You won't catch what the Bible is yapping about from sparknotes. A book about prisoners of war has the theme of "war bad", but you need to read it to get the memo of how exactly it is bad.

However, if I'm in charge of proofreading the AI's text and making it rewrite it until it illustrates a point the way I feel it should, then what's the loss here?

>If you enjoy reading, you enjoy the process of reading.
Reading is a terribly inefficient method of acquiring information, and it's only tolerable because books are so damn cheap and ubiquitous. If I had a way to beam a book's contents into my head instantly, I'd never read a single paper book ever again.

>>24476362 (OP)
Quality is quality.
The quality will shine through because of the quality of the quality.
I've been reading and writing all my life, I know what truly inspired writing looks like.

>>24488825
yeah but you cant read everything, and you will be able to read a smaller and smaller fraction of the aigoop

>>24488825
Also of course very rarely will a student produce "inspired" writing for an essay because they are producing required writing. Unless they love the required writing task of course. But the quality of such rare students' work is far beyond an AI.
Myself I only care about the writing of those who truly love and care passionately about what they write. Because if they don't love what they are writing, why should I even read it?

>>24488828
See this comment:
>>24488828
I don't care about students who are stupid enough to cheat. Let them drown in their own mediocrity and lies.

every war in history was a plot by the vatican to kill protestants

the purpose of ai is to kill protestants

planet earth, which is hell, only exists to kill protestants

I'm not anti-AI. In fact, I'm pro technological development for practically everything. However, as a current literature college student, it's so disappointing and frustrating to see people utilize AI to automate and streamline their assignments and such.

I don't use AI in any of my assignments. Feel free to doubt me, I don't care. I'm not so damn weak as to need it to my own work, when for thousands of years people have been educated without being spoonfed their results like a toddler.

>>24476983
>Deciphering the handwriting would be difficult
wtf, when I was in school and in college, unintelligible handwriting was an auto F. Is the same not true today?

>>24490444
>unintelligible handwriting was an auto F
that’s highly discriminatory

>>24490444
sweatie, stop enforcing cis white male handwriting on Shaniqua. She's expressing her individuality with her handwriting.

When I was a young autistic child in the 90s, I consumed cheap sci-fi like a dog going at a bowl of fried chicken. It had some power to create vivid scenes, but really pretty uninspired. Looking back, lots of the big scifi authors either writing in existing universes (Star Wars/Trek is mostly what I'm targeting with that sentence, in my personal experience) or creating their own (David Weber, Applegate, I can't really remember a lot of them because they were just so unremarkable) could easily have just been AI writing slop with very little higher goal except to fill 300 pages off a two-sentence prompt.

>>24477389

>>24476548
Imagine how terrible the AI generated scientific research papers will be

>>24488401
I know a few restaurant cooks. They absolutely microwave food.

Tech people are having a competency crisis right now because they don't teach people how to program in assembly, or how to optimize clock cycles, or use the fundamentals of how technology works. They just use pre-made tools someone else built, and that's why very piece of software is sitting on top of seven layers of bloat. In the beginning those tools helped expedite the process, and I'm sure someone competent with language and writing might be able to use AI to quickly produce good work (for articles or assignments; creative work, not so much) but what were getting instead is a generation raised not on how to use English, but how to elicit a simulacrum of English from tools. We are in for a literacy crisis in the next few years unless educators find a different way to teach kids to use English well. People will not be able to read without copy-pasting it into an AI and getting a basic summary, nor will they be able to write without giving a monosyllabic outline into an AI without even being able to read its output.
Tech bros ruined tech first, and now they're coming for language.

>>24490547
We have generations of scifi authors writing about this exact scenario, from W40K to the Covenant in Halo. Heck, we might even get to some anime tier stuff (thinking specifically of Last Exile) where a separate society of elites guards admin-level access to systems that are so advanced nobody even bothers innovating anymore, while the teeming majority is allowed to use it under close supervision like a kid being allowed shoot a BB gun at Boy Scout camp. The masses will for the most part love it, because the vast majority of the population are hand-to-mouth consumers, despite most of them aggressively denying it.

Lots of interesting discussion in this thread. People are talking about hypothetical consequences of AI as if those “consequences” can’t be already observed. In the US right now, about 1/5 of people are illiterate. I volunteered at an adult literacy center and these people have jobs, a place to stay, family, etc., so what exactly are they missing out on? Mass education is so outdated and useless I don’t understand why we continue to pretend it’s important. Maybe it has to do with the myth of the “middle class” and people not realizing that the middle class is still a part of the slave caste. All this fear about “techno-feudalism” ruling over the uneducated, ChatGPT using masses, is fearing a basic property of existence - the Pareto principle. 80% of any population is automatically a cattle/slave due to nature. The teacher itt complaining about his (likely lower class/inner city) students is no different than an older slave overseeing the younger ones pick cotton. The labels we use to name this condition change with time (re: techno-feudalism), but the condition in and of itself is a fact of existence.

>>24476752
>This is a very sharp, possibly prophetic insight — but again, it depends on how accessible the tools become. If prompting evolves into something intuitive (voice-based, visual, emotional, etc.), then the producer/consumer line will blur.

Face ID on iPhones combined with image recognition software could break the barrier down even more because emotional expression is often done completely unwittingly by the expressor. This is also why Dick was super genius in the methods of replicant detection that he used in Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep. I forsee that entertainment apps will be some sort of AI storyteller that creates an audio-visual experience that can react in real time based on the miniscule twitches of your facial muscles, plus all your cookie data, to tell you some sort of story that ought to be super compelling. It would take lots of different forms though, some people like netflix, some people like twitter, some people prefer tiktok, all these things corner different genres of extremely stimulating input for humans.

>>24476756

also yes, but the library literally exists, and librarians are basically query bars. you can ask real human beings in meatspace for media recommendations, and also to get drunk in an abandoned parking lot with you and go grafitti some concrete bridge somewhere.


I am excited for people to get off the internet, as it was only ever useful for filling the gaps between actual hangouts and actual events. Maybe all that time can now be used to make the hangouts and the events even better

>>24476362 (OP)
>it is pointless to read
always has been
i thought people read books for fun

LLMs are just a tool to help writing like using a pen instead of a feather. There is no reason why this should be restricted. Universities should go with the times and focus on teaching how to use LLMs to write good books.

>>24477104
>I am a teacher and some students don't even understand that AI is cheating. They will say: "I did this assignment, you asked me to answer the question and I made an answer by typing the question into the chat bot."
>A few started saying its unfair to expect students to write anything at all if they are ESL. It's pretty grim.
To be fair, nowadays, typing a question into google “ai” is the current equivalent of looking something up in an encyclopedia, twenty or thirty years ago.
Admittedly, in Grade school I usually looked up information in multiple encyclopedias, and also would look thru the indexes of books on the subject I might have on hand for sections on the subject.
Expecting students in grade school to read multiple 400 page books, on a subject, in the hope that a paragraph or sentence on the subject they are writing a paper on is in the book, is wishfull thinking, especially for grade school students, or even high school students in most cases.
Even going to high end private schools, actual proper research techniques, where you read a book, then look up the notes in the back of the book, then find those sources that are referenced, then look up any commentary on those sources, as well as any subjects mentioned that might relate to the chosen subject, is basically masters or doctoral levels of research, and only one high school english teacher, who had a doctorate, even came close to explaining this in high school, ironically in the freshmen year.
With the almost linear foot of reading that that one teacher with a doctorate assigned, the likelihood of massive amounts of extra reading being done was minimal, especially with the work from other teachers.

>>24491944
How can it be a tool when it literally does everything for you without any further input needed from you other than giving it the initial prompt and maybe doing small edits to try and hide the fact that you didn't write it? If I pay an author to write a book for me, giving him just a general outline for the plot to work from, I didn't write that book. I didn't use that author as a tool like I would use a pen. If you aren't the one who is actually doing the writing, you didn't create anything, you outsourced it.

>>24476362 (OP)
A general reformulation of grading and examination in the education system is long overdue. Essays and traditional tests haven't been doing a good job at evaluating student learning, and are even worse at providing the right incentives for students to acquire knowledge and develop skills. Let's hope AI serves as the final push for a renovation in schools and universities.

>>24492016
>How is it a tool when you have to do the thing that makes it work?
A pity that fancy education didn't teach you how to think.

>>24492016
Authorship is an outdated concept and should be irrelevant. Go with the times gramps.

>>24477209
>Basic sentence structure" means making sentences that I at least someone understands. The sentences I get look like "Sam chocolate ice cream really likes" and sometimes like "Sam a veteran soldier." Words are skipped, placed in the wrong order, and are increasingly painful to read. Even if the guy if planning to be a manual labourer he should at least know how to write an email so he isn't laughed at
In case you don’t realize it, both of those sentences are easily understandable by someone who fluently speaks english, even if it might take a few extra seconds to get the meaning, since the structure is “weird”.
Aldo, most young children learn to speak like this before the children actually learn proper sentence structure, and this might be a better way of learning a foreign language, then the way foreign languages are routinely taught in a school setting.

>>24492003
>To be fair, nowadays, typing a question into google “ai” is the current equivalent of looking something up in an encyclopedia, twenty or thirty years ago.
But is that actually what homework used to be for you at your school? I remember homework used to be mostly problem solving exercises, not just being tasked to randomly look up information you can find on wikipedia. What you are describing would be something you'd do when preparing a presentation on a topic, but not regular homework.

>>24492021
So you believe anyone who ever commissions books from authors or commissioned art from artists, music from musicians is the true author, painter, composer of that work and not the one who actually does the creative work? Are you mentally challenged?

>>24492037
If your homework questions are things that can be copied and pasted from the current year equivalent of an encyclopedia, they're bad questions that don't deserve more effort than that.

>>24492041
How many ghostwritten memoirs are there out there? Do people really get upset when they learn that attribution belongs to whoever the person who owns the right of attribution says it belongs to? That's an incredibly juvenile view, what would you say if I told you Santa Claus isn't real?

>>24492042
How can you possibly create problems that are adequate in their difficulty for students yet can't be easily solved by ChatGPT?

>>24492049
How many Rs are in the word strawberry?

>>24476756
It’s humanity’s fault largely for being inferior to its imitations

>>24492045
Do you not understand the concept of a ghostwriter? If you hire a ghostwriter to write your memoirs, It's only seen as your work as long as the ghostwriter remains hidden. Once it comes out that you hired a ghostwriter, you are no longer seen as the author of the work in question.

That's the whole point of a ghost writer. You pay them to stay hidden so you can pretend you are the author because if you didn't make it a secret that someone else wrote that book for you, nobody would see you as an author. Thanks for proving my point with the perfect example.

>>24477538
Yes zoomers and worse alphers There is no inward distinction between them and the most headphone-dodging niggernogs

>>24492054
Even if I didn't make any attempt to hide it, my name would still be the one on the cover and the one that it's indexed under at the library. I don't give two shits about my clout as a writer among pretentious twats who concern themselves with "who *really* wrote such-and-such book."

>>24492062
Obviously your name would be on the cover if you commissioned a memoir and didn't hide that it was written by someone else, but you still wouldn't be seen as the writer because you didn't fucking write it. The title would then be something like
The life of Anon - how to be a massive retard on the internet
Written by xyz

There are lots of collaborations in literature, comics etc but there is no confusion who did what, each person is credited with what they did. The person who inspired the story is credited as the inspiration of the story, the writer is credited as the writer, the artist is credited as the artist etc.

>>24492068
I'm sure there's lists of the people who actually wrote every ghostwritten memoir, but guess what? No one but you and 5 other pretentious twats care about that shit. Everyone else will see my name and no one else's and never think twice about it.

>>24492076
Are you stupid or something? As I've said, that is the whole point of a ghostwriter. And you're right, even if there is information out there that someone else wrote the memoir, hardly anyone cares enough to look it up. But that doesn't change the fact that If you hired a writer regularly and credited them, people would not think of you as the writer because you didn't write anything so the only way for anyone to believe you write a book wrtitten by a ghostwriter is because you are willingly deceiving people. I'm not arguing this practice doesn't work, obviously it works, that's why ghostwriters are a thing in the first place. I'm saying it doesn't make you a writer and every single person on earth thinks that, not just a handful of elitists.

If you ever told someone "I wrote a book" and then you followed it up with "actually, I hired a ghostwriter to write it" then that person would obviously respond with "oh, so you didn't actually write anything".

>>24492094
I could have my memoir ghostwritten, go on national television and tell everyone "oh yeah, Anon from 4chan wrote that for me, definitely hit him up if you need a ghostwriter," and two years later no one would remember or care one bit. If they wanted to read it, they'd go to the library and look up my name as the author.