Thread 24485681

Is Machiavelli worth reading today? Or was he the sigma grindset of his time?

>>24485681 (OP)
He wasn't worth reading in his own time.

>>24485681 (OP)
What are Machiavelli's main ideas anyway? Didn't he mostly talk about politics of his day rather than psychology?

>>24485681 (OP)
ignore every youtuber who makes thumbnails that look like that

just read The Prince, it's like 100 pages and very easy

You will quickly the difference in intellect between the people who tell you to read it and the people who tell you not to (they haven't read it). It's famous for a reason

>>24485773
>You will quickly notice*
Self-own moment

>>24485681 (OP)
Are you interested in Machiavelli or are you interested in quasi-homosexual YouTube channels?

Read it and find out lol

>>24485773
I've read it, it's garbage. You apparently haven't.

>>24485914
Why is it garbage?

>>24485920
Why isn't it? The Prince is drivel written by a random guy with no experience of the subject matter and propagated by other random people with no experience with it. Go ahead and read it yourself if you don't believe me. There's probably more insight in those "get rich quick by writing a book about how to get rich quick and then conning retards into buying it" books.

>>24485681 (OP)

Imagine living an inauthentic life lol. I'd rather kill myself. I am content with everyone thinking I'm a clown

>>24485914
>>24485942
Except I've read the book and it is a good philosophical reference book for the systems existing at the time and a milestone in the study of political science. It was immensely popular with rulers for hundreds of years. It is not just like any orher self-help book bullshit, it was THE self-help book of the time for RULERS. You've evidently read enough wikipedia article to feel superior about the fact that you know more than Machiavelli at the time, which is completely retarded and does not disminish the value of the book.
(You) are not supposed to follow its advices genius

>>24485972
>trap or teach?
>what is the correlation between capability and verbiage?
>fortune or virtue? Why is incompetence frequently rewarded in leaders when they should be resigned to unstable tenure but something like intelligence is punished when it should be worthy of higher praise?

>>24486040
Are you quoting somebody or do you want us to dissect the practically of Machiavelli's realpolitiks? It's an elaboration of one type of government and one that has been both criticized and praised by the rulers of the time (see Frederick the Great for both, at two periods of his life)

>>24486070
>limited the death penalty
Not a fan.

>revamped the currency and tax codes
Didn't live long enough to see the full benefit.

>over reliance on Junkers and nationalized industry
Devolved into a hybrid presidential republic after he died.

>outlasted an empress
I'm a fan.

>so I guess Machiavelli was right?

>>24486134
Uh, yes that sure sounds like Fred. Very cryptic as always, I like it. My hemorrhoids affectionately greet your cock

>>24485773
>You will quickly the difference
Yes, perhaps a bit too quickly even.

>>24485954
As long as your clowning is authentic and not just a facade as well

It was satire.

>>24486202
He was forced into marriage and purportedly kept her away during. This particular joke is appropriate.

>>24485914
>>24485942
If The Prince is garbage then The Art of War and all basic military and political strategem literature are garbage as well.

>>24486284
The Art of War is actually quite insightful and I would strongly recommend reading it instead of The Prince.

>>24485769
Whoops, I meant 48 Laws of Power

He was right about almost everything and fags got so mad about it they labeled 'evil' personality traits after him

>>24485942
>Should I read this?
>It's garbage.
>Why is it garbage?
>Trust me bro its garbage, just go read it.

>>24486819
>Should I read this?
>No.
>I don't want your opinion
>Okay, then read it if that's what you want to do, and then you'll understand why it was a waste of time
A point-by-point refutation would be as much of a waste of time as writing it in the first place was.