What books so I need to read to grasp the principles of MAGA Maoism?

>>24489440 (OP)
Even though the left has collectively lost its mind over the past decade, the right manages to out-retard them at every turn. Books/essays to explain this phenomenon?

>>24489467
Anti-Oedipus

fun fact there is actually a strain of fascism that fused with maoism called nazi maoism that was created by some italian guy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi-Maoism

>>24489536
Maoism with german characteristics*

>>24489440 (OP)
>the bourgeoise

>>24489536
Most sane Italian political ideology

>>24489440 (OP)
I'll take "Things that Never Happened" for $1000.

>>24489440 (OP)
Read the works on the RTSG substack and essays by Haz al-Din chairman of the American Communist Party. He also has a video called "Why I am A Libertarian Stalinist"

>>24489440 (OP)
I got a political movement you'll like, it's called the Brown Party, it means EAT SHIT MOTHERFUCKER

>>24489667
>This
>>24489739
>Haz Al-Din is a pseudonymous American live streamer, political commentator, and activist
lol no thanks, this guy is a retard.
Also this party you mentioned, which labels itself as thr "American Communist Party" as if they are the only current one, is just retarded Maga populism adopting socialist terminology.

>>24489440 (OP)
>be mao
>reinvent communism
> The first communist country that won against capitalist imperials and kick out all of the traitors globohomos from your country. ( EZ GG)
>achieve homogenous Han population by ethnic cleansing of minorities and mass slaughtering of anti state terrorists
>gets away with it.
>beat capitalists from invading you (korean war)
>gets a permanent superior seat in UN even if your PRC gang didn't fought against nips and Nazis (it were the ROC)
>it actually works
>100 years later the ceo of capitalist and a kike lover follows your path to fix his own shithole utopian country.

>MAGA MAOISM
>Bourgeois to work in factories

Trump is bourgeois. He is the owner of the means to production; he made money from owning capital not selling his labour to someone who owns capital.

The only thing MAGA has in common with Maoism is anti-intellectualism. Their rebellion is not against the capitalist class or a neo-feudal aristocracy. Their rebellion is against intellectuals and clever people.

Shill thread.

>>24489805
>just retarded Maga populism adopting socialist terminology.
Yeah I mean that's kind of what OP is asking for

>>24489467
The right is retarded and ever more so with each passing news cycle but the current left wing is outright anti-human if not anti-existence gnostic horror the application of whose doctrine would at the very best end with a world encompassing Brazilian favela.

>>24489906
Anti-human? Like the right-wing AI tech bros and billionaires who dream of replacing mankind with AI, women with sexbots and later all of mankind with machines? Are you fucking serious?

>>24489440 (OP)
the plutocrats yearn for the work camps

>>24489912
It isn't really correct to refer to techbros as right-wing. Most of them were left-wing a few years ago and jumped ship only due to the insanity of the left. They are opportunists at heart, they view ideology as a means to an end, and their ultimate goal is the birth of a techno-feudalistic world order with them as the feudal lords and the rest of humanity as their serfs, and they intend to use AI to create the mathematically-perfect slave system, but unlike the feudal lords of medieval Europe they lack any sense of noblesse oblige or basic decency to those who make their extravagant life possible. You can't be considered right-wing without accepting the inherent flaws of humanity and the primal drive to reach for God and higher ideals in spite of those flaws. This is why the right-wing at it's worst is retarded and the left-wing at it's worst is anti-human and demonic.

>>24489440 (OP)
My gut instinct: either a journalist is being confused by shitposts, or a journalist made shitposts and reported on them.

>>24489440 (OP)
>maga Maoism
God leftists are so fucking stupid. Soulless fucking bugmen npc’s spewing their bugmen buzzword gobbledigook. These people couldn’t even tell you a single real fact about or principle of Maoist doctrine or mao’s life or rule. Hysteric which harpies mashing together whatever words generate the most bad feelings in the right ways in hopes of overloading peoples ability to think logically.

>>24490122
Maga Maoists are self-declared right-wingers with blue collar aesthetics.
There's not a single leftist who is Maga Maoist, you absolute retard.

>>24490122
>These people couldn’t even tell you a single real fact about or principle of Maoist doctrine
Isn't the moniker referencing the Maoist down to the countryside policy?

>>24490132
Zero reading comprehension award

>>24489906
>but the current left wing is outright anti-human if not anti-existence gnostic horror
It's hard to take this critique seriously when the right is totally fine with environmental destruction and often mocks the left for caring about it. This is the same right that's increasing fracking despite it literally poisoning the water supply. Not only that, they want access to national parks and nature reserves to carry out their ravenous molestation of nature.
It's funny you mention Brazil. Under Bolsonaro's right wing government, deforestation of the Amazon increased dramatically. Not only is the Amazon home to thousands of indigenous communities, it's also one of the most biodiverse regions on Earth. Wouldn't you call any attack on a place like this both anti-human and anti-existence?
Right wingers don't even take climate change seriously. They spent most of the 20th century denying its existence, then when it was proved beyond a shadow of a doubt, they started downplaying its severity. Fascists will claim to see things differently but only ever manifest their political will in voting for right wingers that go ahead and destroy the environment even faster.

>>24489536
I once agreed with this philosophy years ago. That's why my blog is called Disintegration System

>>24489805
>>This
Who are you quoting?

>>24490142
Not an argument award.

>>24490169
>I'm not anti-human, I just want to use force to shut down human interests and initiative to give precedence to rocks and spiders
Brilliant rebuttal.
I don't care about your fetishization of the wilderness. Parks are good as long as they serve human interests, such as our esthetic enjoyment or having places better fit for weekend family escapades. Disagreement over such uses can and should be settled by property laws like everything else in scarcity. The rich will have gardens because they enjoy them and there is nothing wrong with it on their turf. We will have forests for timber and tourism.
This isn't what you and your ilk are talking about. You want to reduce human ability to expand or use elements of nature for reasons that you admit are not in any human interest, all state enforced. Fulfilling your fetish for subservience to the wilderness (or "balance" or any euphemism for it) is not a human interest.
Enjoy deindustrialization. Enjoy reducing the energy we can use (every other process is transformed energy). Then you can feel morally superior for throwing cops and tax collectors at society to establish artificial scarcity and make people poorer than they should be. Oh but you saved the spiders. Totally not anti-human.

>>24490169
Have you heard the greatest minds of the left, Hasan Piker? that guy is making tons of teenagers not be interested in the left because he is a complete retard, most of what like todays leftist sphere is. they are all stupid and if I was any stupider, id totally lean to right just as a reactionary.

>>24490572
Meds, I'm serious.

>>24489805
I think he's trying to do something similar to those right-wing authors who'd imagine Trump as being more philosophical or complex like they think Europeans are like, and market this to pseuds, rather than him being a creation of Fox News, WWE and trashy New York tabloids that escaped from that world and is now ordering bombing runs on Iran.

Also Maoism was very ascetic and there's nothing ascetic about Trumpism.

Before I forget, conservative "Jesus take the wheel" Evangelical Christian megachurches and frat boys. Party-hard conservatives. They have always existed but Trump has brought it out more:
https://youtu.be/kBKQL6f5sec

>>24490376
>I misinterpreted what you said so now you have to debunk me

>>24490604
Jesus wept, the libs were right about everything on Trump

>>24490623
Don't call it a grave, it's the future you chose.

>>24489542
well done

>>24490142
There's nothing to misinterpret here.
You just made a nonsensical causal relationship between MAGA Maoists and Leftists just because of the "maoist" part.

Either you don't understand what "MAGA Maoism" means or you just have a very shallow grasp on politics. Either way, you are retarded.

>>24490636
Not my choice, I never voted for the guy. Gave me the creeps even before he got into politics.

>>24490584
I see, took you two (2) posts to move to psychiatrisation. Provided you are the same anon, otherwise a single one.
Not too surprising from leftism apologists.

>>24490704
Your entire post was so preposterous, mental illness is the only explanation.

Watch Infrared stream highlights

>>24490720
NTA but being this low IQ must be pure bliss.
And don't you dare call me a rightist now because I refuse to vilify desire(which is the root of what that anon was getting at btw, weak people who can't come to terms with their desires(or their desires being unmet) metaphorically kill themselves - anti human sentiments arise from here).

>>24490763
Bro he was sperging about rocks and spiders because the left is generally opposed to billionaires paving over national parks for condos.

>>24490783
Yes, I know you struggle to understand the overarching point he was making. I can tell by your non-responses to him(and now to me as well).

>>24490788
>I-if I try to dress up my corpo dick riding as metaphysical theory-
Not working. I see you.

>>24490796
>Not working. I see you.
You can see but you can't read apparently.

>>24489467
>fencesitter believes a headline at face value
You're not better than the left/right dichotomy. You're just a vulnerable narcissist midwit who's too much of a pussy to hold any principles.

I remember when leftypol was still around they'd make fun of this fat dude who looked like Linkara with a mohawk and described himself as a "third world Maoist." Good times, and political spergery was still rather subdued compared to today where it's infected everything.

>>24490035
>They are opportunists at heart, they view ideology as a means to an end, and their ultimate goal is the birth of a techno-feudalistic world order with them as the feudal lords and the rest of humanity as their serfs, and they intend to use AI to create the mathematically-perfect slave system, but unlike the feudal lords of medieval

I like how you blame the "Left" for these ideas when various major figureheads in the current administration have directly named Curtis Yarvin as an influence.

I can't tell if you're just confused or being disingenuous.

>>24490881
His personal style is middle-aged lesbian feminist.

>>24489467
Oh yes the media would never lie

>>24489440 (OP)
What factories? America doesn't produce shit anymore

>>24490922
wrong. where do you think salesforce comes from

>>24490572
Nta
>Fulfilling your fetish for subservience to the wilderness
Humanity does not exist as a separate entity to nature but exists as an extension of it. The natrual world dies and so do we as well.
No one is making the strange strawman argument that you are presenting (and presuming).
The preservation of all currently functioning ecosystems is not a human interest?

>all state enforced.
Who? Where are you getting this from?
The Social Ecology movement in particular has taken a majorly libretarian approach.

>(or "balance" or any euphemism for it) is not a human interest.
I have no idea where you got this from or what you mean by this.

>You want to reduce human ability to expand or use elements of nature for reasons that you admit are not in any human interest
The resources of nature are entirely finite and their systems of reproduction extremely delicate. Our currently existing model of their extraction is entirely excessive and presupposes that those resources can be taken and resupplied infinitely. For example our reserves of extractable phosphorus may be exhausted in the next 80-100 years (phosphorus is critical natural resources for global food production without phosphorus crops can’t grow,and fertilizers wouldn’t work.) What do you think will happen when those supplies are exhausted?

>>24490921
It's actually not hard to find good ol boys who agree with this sentiment. "They should take those latte liberal city folk and make em work REAL jobs like us!"

>>24490969
I say this all the time.

>>24490997
whenever i go into a coffee house I end up overhearing the woke babble of the libtards in line in front of me and end up smashing my fist on the counter and yelling "nigger" and storming out

>>24490572
The person to whom I was responding intensified their critique of the so-called "anti-human" character of leftism by accusing it of being "anti-existence". Now, unless you're so deluded as to think that humans are all which exist, then it's perfectly acceptable to point out that a campaign against the innumerable species which constitute nature is evidently "anti-existence". Not to mention, of course, the obvious presence of war, which the right-wing governments of the US, Israel, and Iran are fast drawing us into.
>Parks are good as long as they serve human interests, such as our esthetic enjoyment or having places better fit for weekend family escapades
Are you unfamiliar with what biodiversity is and its ecological connections to productivity or stability? Looking after nature is a human interest because humans are part of nature.
>You want to reduce human ability to expand or use elements of nature for reasons that you admit are not in any human interest
Banning fracking which has historically contaminated water supplies is in human interest you goon. Did you even read my post? If you had, you also wouldn't have skipped over the explicit reference made to indigenous communities that rely on the Amazon. You claim to be arguing in human interest yet it's clear you're only concerned about a very particular kind of human, eh? Not someone living in the Amazon and not someone who lives in a rural Western area liable to have their environment poisoned because of this obsessive right wing need to profit endlessly.
>Enjoy deindustrialization. Enjoy reducing the energy we can use
I didn't advocate for that. I said we shouldn't continue to deforest the Amazon or engage in fracking. There's quite a wide domain of economically productive activities you can engage in without needing to turn one of the most unique ecosystems on Earth into another beef farm for cheaper cheeseburgers.

>>24489536
“Maoist third worldism” is basically Fascism for third worlders. Look how they uncritically support Iran of all things, an Islamic dictatorship. Also this thread sucks and is not /lit/.

>>24490949
If, due to mismanagement or malice, we destroy part or all of the natural world, a small fraction of humanity will continue to exist in our hand-made unnatural worlds. There is no inherent "human interest" in preserving something like the Great Barrier Reef, or the Amazon rainforest. It is in the best interest of humanity to reduce and eventually eliminate our dependence on delicate and uncontrollable systems, and as soon as it's viable to do so, the entire planet will be strip-mined.

>>24489440 (OP)
There has to be a compound German word for the serene pleasure of slowly watching your enemies corrupt and wither while you don't lift a finger, Chudda can't be the first time people have noticed how satisfying that specific feeling is.

I feel deeply at ease with the tao of the universe watching wapo and huffpo descended into further into clickbait Buzzfeedism every year.

>>24490821
Jason Unruhe?

>>24491118
>If, due to mismanagement or malice, we destroy part or all of the natural world, a small fraction of humanity will continue to exist in our hand-made unnatural worlds. There is no inherent "human interest" in preserving something like the Great Barrier Reef, or the Amazon rainforest. It is in the best interest of humanity to reduce and eventually eliminate our dependence on delicate and uncontrollable systems, and as soon as it's viable to do so, the entire planet will be strip-mined.

We don't even currently possess the technology to be able to synthesize or crucial resources or conistently maintain human life currently (including sustainable food, water, air, etc.) at the amounts required to support even a small population indefinitely and we certainly will not within the next 30 years in any concrete way beyond speculation and even if we do somehow manage to develop fully sythesised systems, given the current rates of biodiversity loss, deforestation and climate change, we will already be rapidly approaching some catastrophic ecological tipping points within the next few decade. Any technology we could hypothetically develop to replace our natural resources would almost certainly come after those systems have collapsed.

This is similar to the bullshit narrative of trying to form a human colony in space as a solution. If, after nearly 50 years of research, we lack anything even close to the technology needed to make the morst barren and hostile regions of Earth habitable (like deserts or polar areas) what makes you think that we would sudddenly develop fully synthesised resources just within the next 35-40 years? (and why would we not just apply those technologies to redeveloping sustaining our already existing ecosystems in the first place which would buy Humanity more time to actually accomplish these sorts of utopian projects)

Betting the survival of both humanity as well as all life on earth on speculative future technologies is ridiculous. You're living in a delusional fantasy.

>>24489440 (OP)
Give me one good reason why some of the bourgeoise shouldn't work in some of our blue collar jobs?

>>24491118
soulless bugman wants to live in a terrarium, or worse, new york

>>24490572
>I don't care about your fetishization of the wilderness. Parks are good as long as they serve human interests, such as our esthetic enjoyment or having places better fit for weekend family escapades
Taking this point of yours to its logical conclusion, that the only nature spaces required are simple recreation parks, then it's easy to say that you ate the one taking the position of demonic anti-humanism.
A world consisting solely of high rises and barren wastelands, with the small biodome park in each megalopolis purely to serve the purpose of "aesthetic enjoyment".

imagine still being a rapid (((anti-communist))) despite literally everything going on in the world economy today and the pretty obvious fact anti-communism was just a means to destroy dissidence back in the day. like seriously, 1953 called and wants its bugbear back. make sure to stop complaining about jews or globalists while you're at it because both are just a false consciousness substitute for anti-economic elite class consciousness, and if we're going to play the jewish question game, just look at (((roy cohns))) early life section. anti-communists are stupid fuck heads

>>24490035
>They are opportunists at heart, they view ideology as a means to an end,
yes. Their only belief is in themselves. Anything else is lip service.

I think youre laying into management, but it applies to the workers too. The whole of Silicon Valley went from nerdy to greedy. If you speak with these people about *values*, its about money & their own personal lives.

>>24490169
>the right
"the right" is the party of the rich; which is currently Democrats.
Your movements been hijacked youve been duped.

>>24491401
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop

>>24491133
Selbsterscheissungsfreude.

>>24491416
Anon.
I hope you know that the Political Left and (Liberal) Democrats are not the same thing. They have been butting heads for nearly a century now.

>>24491416
>"the right" is the party of the rich; which is currently Democrats.
Not to diminish the DNC's corpo overlords, but the Trump White House has the largest collective wealth in American history on top of hiring THE richest man in the known galaxy. The GOP is headed by a guy who literally made "being rich" his entire personality and is notorious for being tacky with gold. Come on now, be serious.

>>24491417
retarded phone posting nigger, id send you to the work camps as well

>>24491457
>the Trump White House has the largest collective wealth in American history
richer than joe kennedy and jfk? doubt it

>>24491477
https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/how-many-billionaires-are-in-trumps-administration-and-what-is-their-worth

>>24491489
do you have one of those for fdr?

>>24491457
>THE richest man in the known galaxy

The uniparty is real and Trump is far enough away from it that they tried to send him to prison.

>>24489467
This is some shitlib journalists smear fantasies you retard. It used to be the case that while the left was crazy and the right was retarded, now the left is both crazy and retarded. Holy fuck. Talk about lacking self awareness.

>>24491065
>Also this thread sucks and is not /lit/.
Seconding this .

>>24491419
Das ist reine Fantasterei! Ein solches Wort gibt is in der deutschen Sprache nicht! Er lügt!

>>24489550
Yes, they're talking about you. They're busy replacing you with software maintained by Pajeet and once it provides the desired output at a cheaper cost they're sending you to the factories unless you crave starvation. What did you think was going to happen after they released le funny picture AI and artists started to protest? You thought they'd stop at people you don't like? LMAO. You're next.

>>24489667
things don't need to be true to be claimed to be real in liberal newspaper opinion columns.
the more absurd the better in a way.

>>24489850
>he made money from owning capital
he had access to capital, he borrowed it. it shouldn't save him from the gulag but it is worth noting that he was largely still at the mercy of those in control of capital.

>>24490169
>the right is totally fine with environmental destruction and often mocks the left for caring about it.
Aral_sea.png

>>24490584
Leftists call for psychiatrists, Christians call for a priest. Sequlae of falling for soteriology in both cases

>>24489440 (OP)

>>24489440 (OP)

The Pseudo-Conservative Revolt by Richard Hofstader

Enemies of Enlightenment: The French Counter-Enlightenment and the Making of Modernity by Darrin McMahon

Return of the Strong Gods: Nationalism, Populism, and the Future of the West by Rusty Reno

The Postmodern Conservative by Matt McManus

>>24490679
I've always maintained mixed views on him from the get go. I'd rather have my own worldview than tie it to someone else.

>>24490720
The lefts obsession with psychoanalysis is pathological.

>>24491401
Jews exist in every political position you mong.

>>24490819
This
>Heh....both sides are...bad

This board is like watching 16 year olds discuss anything

>>24490621
Not an argument.

>>24489467
The only difference between the "left" and the "right" in muttland is that one group wants to suck off trannies and the other one wants to suck off based trad shitskins.

>>24489841
But Mao massively fucked up China and it only exists today because Deng Xiaopang cucked to the capitalists

>>24489467
There is no phenomenon lol it doesn't exist

>>24493431
Real. But Europe does this weird thing where the "conservatives" are just california-tier leftists that are a bit sceptical of immigration and the "left" worships brown trads. Thankfully troonism doesn't seem to be quite as popular generally.

>>24489440 (OP)
GORILLAS WWA

>>24492334
The environmentally destructive right wing governments I gave examples of are either in power now or were in power only a term ago. Anon mentioned the current left, not the left of the 1960s on the other side of the Iron Curtain. Even so, you make a fair point, which is why the Western left largely moved away from the USSR after Stalin came to power. We have prominent polemics against Stalin from the Western left in Orwell's writing or Adorno's.

>>24493706
Stalin was not leftist
Communism is anti-leftist

>>24489440 (OP)
I think this came from /pol/ I am absolutely serious about this. What MAGA Maoism is this
a) Above All: Do Nothing and Win.

Absolute isolationism, complete border lockdown, zero foreign policy, do absolutely nothing even if "allies" beg us its like sorry dope Im Maoists and we do NOTHING. All the brownies kill all the Jews in a perfect world and Russia takes over everything. Who cares I saved 20 billion.

2) Extreme industrialization which somehow? Is done by White People. haha alls I know is we need to be making 1000000 solar panels an hour like Big Boss does.

3) Extreme social controls on women a One Child Minimum Policy which keeps them in the kitchen. Extreme crime controls especially on blacks. Death Penalty for stealing.

This is what I gathered over 2025.

Why is this retarded shit being shilled so hard?
Did I miss something?

>>24491411
>If you speak with these people about *values*, its about money & their own personal lives.
and why shouldn't it be? they are 90% asian

>>24490324
>Disintegration System
link? what do you write about?

>>24491401

>>24489440 (OP)
>maga maoism
>woke right
>micro aggressions
>social justice warrior
>white fragility
I'm so sick of fake news retards making up terminology and then acting like everyone is burning to understand what dumbass buzzword they're trying to meme into the public consciousness.

>>24489440 (OP)
I've watched these "MAGA Maoists" before (particularly Haz, some of his debates are honestly pretty entertaining) and this stupid liberal article completely misunderstands their movement. They're not conservatives, they're eclectic "anti-revisionist" Marxist-Leninists who incorporate Heidegger and Dugin to argue for building socialist "civilizations" (per Dugin) rather than either nation-states or global socialism without cultural distinction. They see American "left"-liberalism as more dangerous to this goal than Trump, so they support Trump both as a lesser evil and as a way to signal that, unlike most Marxist orgs, they aren't anti-nationalist or obsessed with identity politics. I still think Haz and the ACP are retarded and a lot of their philosophy is just thinly-veiled pragmatism (as Haz's embarrassing debate with Jay Dyer clearly revealed), but this article is a total hackjob and was clearly written with no research beyond reading Twitter hot-takes.

Why can’t journalists come up with anything remotely interesting? Half truths, outright lies, dubious sources, and spun narratives is part and parcel but they can’t even make the allegations even interesting. It all just comes off retarded to anyone with an IQ above 100. What gives?

>>24495573
>I still think Haz and the ACP are retarded and a lot of their philosophy is just thinly-veiled pragmatism (as Haz's embarrassing debate with Jay Dyer clearly revealed)
Since you mentioned this, I do think Americans are fundamentally a bunch of Pragmatists (in the William James sense). It's the American tendency to go with "what works." We're willing to roll the dice on Trump if we think what he does will work, and if we don't think it's working, we'll drop it for something else. But what that actually looks like on the left in practice are "sewer socialists" like Zohran Mamdani. There actually used to be socialist big-city mayors in the U.S. in the early 20th century who focused on public infrastructure. The most effective argument against socialism for Americans has been that it "doesn't work," which was made more convincing by the failure of the Soviet Union's militarized command socialism. But as move past the Cold War, I think we're probably returning to the historical average which sets the stage for a return of this kind of pragmatic American socialism. That's what actually "works." Function over form.

>Marxist-Leninists who incorporate Heidegger and Dugin to argue for building socialist "civilizations" (per Dugin)
I watched him being interviewed by a member of Dugin's organization in Russia (the Eurasanist Youth Union or something), and it was funny because the Duginist guy was saying the essential difference between Russia and America is that Russians believe in autocracy or whatever, and Americans are liberals whose politics are shaped by the Constitution, and so they're by definition enemies and so on. And Haz was like, well actually Americans are really a Telluric people who have an organic connection to the soil or something, and looking at the Duginist's expression, I don't think he was buying it lol

>They see American "left"-liberalism as more dangerous to this goal than Trump, so they support Trump both as a lesser evil and as a way to signal that, unlike most Marxist orgs, they aren't anti-nationalist or obsessed with identity politics.
What I find interesting about this is how it ends up mirroring centrist Democrats like John Fetterman who punch left. I do think you're going to see a left that is less obsessed with identity politics, but what will be politically relevent in America are very pragmatic core-issue campaigns.