Thread 24491038

Whats the alternative that's actually BASED and NIETZSCHEAN to oppose """"Christian Nationalism"""" and liberalism? It seems maybe like technopunk China is interesting. Grander than life technological creations within an atheistic, confucian framework. But that's not adjusted to the western meaning-seeking mentality.

It‘s Hitler. Don‘t try and reinvent the wheel because the answer is scary.

>>24491041
So Germanic supremacy?

>>24491041
Hitler was a democratically elected politician. Aim higher.

>>24491038 (OP)
Stranger in a Strange Land orgiastic celebration with bread and circuses for the plebs and domination for the patricians

nigerian you say?

>>24491038 (OP)
Prussian Socialism
>>24491041
>>24491051

>>24491038 (OP)
Something that's highly individual to yourself and your family (such as that may or may not be).
You're essentially asking for an organized non-organized religion. It's missing the point. But since you referenced "China," I think you're approaching the point that whatever it is, it's going to be racial in nature rather than universal. Domestic, in other words, that is only functional on a larger scale inasmuch as that scale is more or less homogeneous with yourself.

>>24491041
Hitler was a retard that interjected nonsense Aryan racial theory into national socialism with a tinge of maniacal bloodthirsty warmongering. De-Hitler it and you have the regime of the future.

>>24491038 (OP)
we need an axiomatic all powerful indestructible machine world government. the axioms are made to prevent excessive human suffering.

yall should look into anarchism lol

stop trying to control people

>>24491041
Yes but in an American context its Ezra Pound (and Jefferson and Adams)

>>24491038 (OP)
Stop trying to be "Nietzschean"
Problem solved.

>>24491608
That was what made Wyndham Lewis break (besides obvious pressure) --- "If I desire to marry a Chinese woman or cohabitate with a black woman I should have the right!"
Anyway you shouldn't take particular ideas (idee fixe) too seriously ... Such as thinking Jefferson would be necessarily committed to "democracy"--it all depends on context

>>24491038 (OP)
Unironically the Church.

>muh Vatican 2

Vatican 2 is a historical aberration and we're finally getting tired of it. The Pope quoted Cicero the other day and spoke of governing for the common good. Christian Nationalism is Protestant. What Catholics offer the modern world is the Third Position. Either that or we'll reestablish the old monarchies, which will get easier when America dies.

>>24491854
Nick Fuentes is Catholic Moron

>>24491854
The Pope quoting Cicero one time means nothing.
Let me know when he quotes Petrarch or canonizes the Beat Ramon Llull.

>>24491038 (OP)
All politics are the same.

>>24491824
ITA, I agree. This is especially pertinent to America, as a multi-ethnic and cultural nation. Clearly, a neo-Hitlerite national socialism entails endless Balkan-tier infighting, when I wish for a strong, powerful, and well guided nation. Circumstances/context within American requires of a national socialism stripped of its historical and aesthetic baggage, almost like a Trojan horse of a nasty medicine it must take.

>>24491824
ITA, I agree. This is especially pertinent to America, as a multi-ethnic and cultural nation. Clearly, a neo-Hitlerite national socialism entails endless Balkan-tier infighting, when I wish for a strong, powerful, and well guided nation. Circumstances/context within American requires of a national socialism stripped of its historical and aesthetic baggage, almost like a Trojan horse of a nasty medicine it must take.

Philosmites/Zionists absolutely need purged though, that much hasn't changed.

>>24491869
in what sense?

>>24491882
They're all emotional narratives that people cling to in hopes change will manifest through them, while emotionless psychopaths notice this and then make use of the people feeling this way to achieve a set of goals.

>>24491038 (OP)
Jorjani's Promethianism or Wotanism

>>24491886
Whoops Prometheism*

>>24491879
R. Wagner would talk about the "potency" of the race. But this is totally meaningless in an American context, white Americans are decadent, there's no culture and nothing to preserve. "White nationalism" is vulgar sentimentalism and has nothing to do with German NS

>>24491929
Yup, its a total dead end here. Things to come must be built upon a wider national common good unique to America and the coming circumstances, assuming the country isn't doomed.

>>24491884
I do believe that nothing actually changes through voting, in the long run. If the nature of things is to be changed it will involve trouble and bloodshed. Either that or just total collapse and evaporation, like what happened to the Soviet Union. But nothing meaningful is ever going to result from the NORMAL political processes of the modern West.

>>24491038 (OP)
>Whats the alternative that's actually BASED and NIETZSCHEAN to oppose """"Christian Nationalism"""" and liberalism?
Zionism

>>24491038 (OP)
Bronze Age Mindset

also chinese is a disgusting language

>>24491038 (OP)
Pagan nationalism
T. Larper

>>24492584
>Bronze Age Mindset
That's just homosexual jewry for gymbros.

>>24492402
Ironically, isn't Moldbug's whole schtick basically revealing the method of the Jews? He is basically laying out how classic Jewish tricks work. Teaching you the tactics of the enemy, basically. And why not use their own tactics against them, if you can? If it works for them, maybe it could work for you.

>>24493359
The fact that even just mentioning it causes instant seething and coping from the most annoying people proves he's right

>>24493444
The implication here that the people you're talking to want to win some kind of political struggle instead of whine online about "duhjennerassy" and le zionists is incredible naive. Moldbug doesn't talk enough about how /pol/ posters can't get laid because Tel Aviv brain lasers are making women want to fuck Chad, and it's a serious hecking problem.

>>24493444
>>24493473
I was thinking more of a BAP thing since he's an Israel guy, right? A thing from Nietzsche is his loathing of ressentiment, which includes antisemitism because that's basically trying to find a scapegoat to blame for one's problems and also a way to avoid responsibility for one's freedom. The people who blame the Jews for any particular thing are actually avoiding the need to face up and address not only their own failings but also to deal with whatever the thing is.

Moldbug's schtick meanwhile seems to be -- let me see if I'm getting this right -- and an attempt to wage war on liberal elites in American society. It happens to be that many liberal elites in the U.S. are Jews, but I think that ignores the chasm between them and Israelis. They are like night and day. That's more what I meant by Zionism. Yeah, they have propaganda directed in the English language towards Americans about how antisemites are meanies, but I don't think mean words hurt the average Israeli. That kind of politically correct language and the intersectional pyramid-of-oppression stuff doesn't have purchase there from what I've been able to discern about that society. They're very blunt and aggressive, and have to deal with people who launch more than mean words at them. If you said something antisemitic to them, they'd probably just blow you off because they think you're stupid, or aggressively interrogate you about what you think happens when a suicide bomber blows up a pizza restaurant. This was a popular song there:
https://youtu.be/1rk3n9V-aQs

>>24493590
The trouble is, when push comes to shove, the Jews will almost always stick together. Liberal Jews, conservative Jews, communist Jews, even fascist Jews, it doesn't usually seem to matter because when they as a people, a tribe, are threatened they will forget everything else and stick up for their own.

Like, think of Chuck Schumer. An absolutely disgusting lib twat. But he has repeatedly said his job is to keep the Democrats loyal to Israel. Politically it's farcical to compare him to someone like Mark Levin, but their politics don't matter because when push comes to shove all of them are pro-Israel and pro-Jew.

It's both admirable and frustrating. You simply cannot trust most Jews because they will throw away any other loyalties and concerns to defend their own at the drop of a hat. You cannot rely on them for unrelated political causes because The Tribe will always come first, and they will always betray whatever cause or faction they join for the sake of The Tribe.

warlordism

>>24493590
>I was thinking more of a BAP thing since he's an Israel guy, right?
He isn't and I think you had ChatGPT write 5 paragraphs of nonsense as an addendum to this single bait sentence

>>24492584
Chinese is a cool language. Pictographs add another layer of meaning to language that just isn't there with alphabets.

>>24494268
well hes a mossad agent so in that sense hes an israel guy

>>24491038 (OP)
Libertarian nationalism.

>>24493742
That's just cherrypicking. There are heaps of non-Jewish politicians that are just as loyal to Israel. OpenSecrets puts Cruz above Schumer in terms of funding from the pro-Israel lobby and based on his interview with Tucker, he's reached a feverish level of delirium that even most Jews would likely find uncomfortable.

>You simply cannot trust most Jews because they will throw away any other loyalties
There are prominent Jews that oppose much of what Israel is doing. Finkelstein and Chomsky for example. The Haredim are quite famously anti-Zionist and even have organizations like the Neturei Karta devoted to that end.

Sure there's probably some insularity and ethnic solidarity among Jews, but it's not at the level antisemites tend to claim. They're not a hivemind. That solidarity largely exists because of constant mistreatment, be it pogroms, discrimination in the USSR, the holocaust obviously. If you want this to go away then unironically treating Jews like normal people is the best strategy. In the US, most Jews marry outside their race and have completely abandoned the insular behavior of their ancestors, like most other groups.

>>24493444
Using the tactics of the enemy means the enemy wins--in fact it's how the enemy wins, because your goodness has then been compromised. Technique is just that important

What you're writing is seriously irresponsible, and evil.