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>>24483972

>Thread Question:
What modern series are likely to become genre classics?

>>24492743 (OP)
>tq
red rising, but idk if thats a good thing or a bad thing.

>>24492743 (OP)
Depends. Classic as in "so good everyone into the genre should read it" sense? I don't know.

>>24492743 (OP)
What difference is that from asking which popular series will remain relevant?

I don't get the appeal. If anybody explains their viewpoint I will purposely respond in bad faith.

>>24492761
>I have become unreasonably upset and allow others to control my emotions, let alone my posting.

>>24492780
Please lurk a lot moar until you learn how to greentext properly. Thanks.
-Management

>>24492722
>>24492761
>Number goes up.
honestly people underrate the "number go up" dopamine phenomena when garbage like Solo Leveling is considered the zenith of Korean comics. I couldn't keep my eyes off that garbage. It's no surprise that people like DCC for the same reason.

>>24492788
>Your behavior doesn't conform to my preferences. Desist.

>>24492789
to be fair solo leveling is a solid 8/10 on the context of korean webnovels

Andrzej Sapkowski
>If anyone in the audience asks that kind of question, I’ll tell you right now: I will write something else. Relax. No need to fear. And unlike George R. R. Martin—whom, by the way, I know personally—when I say I’ll write something, I will.“

>just between us I totally understand him. Because if someone had pulled a stunt like that on me, filming a series based on my books, and then getting ahead of what I intended to write, I’d also be wondering whether there’s any point in writing anymore. If it’s already been done, right? Makes no sense. It’s nice when they adapt your work, that’s the author’s bloody right, but to adapt what doesn’t exist yet, to extrapolate like that? That’s just indecent.“

>So Martin still isn’t writing, probably because he got offended that they filmed the continuation [of Game of Thrones], but I bet he didn’t give the money back, knowing how life goes. I wouldn’t have given it back.“

>I’m not a visual person. What I write, I don’t see it. That’s the truth. To me, it’s just letters. Nothing more.
Aphantasia confirmed

Speaking of Korean stuff, a famous Korean epic fantasy is getting an English release at the end of the year. I hope it's good.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bird_That_Drinks_Tears

>>24492800
>Because if someone had pulled a stunt like that on me, filming a series based on my books, and then getting ahead of what I intended to write, I’d also be wondering whether there’s any point in writing anymore.
Wasn't there still a huge gap in time between the release of the last got book and the first season of the tv show?

>>24492804
>A rare example of the genre Korean Fantasy, the stock characters and clichés of Western fantasy such as elves, magic, dragons and Latin languages are instead replaced by Korean concepts such as dokkaebi, ssirum, and the Arazi language, which is based on Proto-Korean.
Cool cool.

>>24492828
Oh my bad, the last release book was the same year as season 1. Just awful.

I feel really shitty with work stress and housing issues I'm currently having. Anyway, this is unimportant to the thread. I'd just like some suggestions of comfy low stakes stories that will take my mind off of things.

>>24492800
>And unlike George R. R. Martin—whom, by the way, I know personally—when I say I’ll write something, I will.
>So Martin still isn’t writing, probably because he got offended that they filmed the continuation [of Game of Thrones], but I bet he didn’t give the money back, knowing how life goes. I wouldn’t have given it back.“
Holy shit

What Fantasy/Science Fiction books feel the most like Jodorowsky movies/comics?

>>24492844
Not surprising. Given his behavior with Witcher games and TV rights he was clearly after a payout in both cases.

>>24492804
>The novel was first serialized in Hitel, a PC communication forum site
Web fiction means low expectations to me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Yeongdo

>There were talks of publishing Dragon Raja in the United States in 2006, to which Lee's response was "I don't want to disgrace our country."

>>24492800
>>So Martin still isn’t writing, probably because he got offended that they filmed the continuation [of Game of Thrones], but I bet he didn’t give the money back, knowing how life goes. I wouldn’t have given it back.“

So what, does Sapkowski think HBO should've just abruptly killed their golden goose and put the show on hiatus until George wrote more books?

>>24492839
Can't go wrong with some good old Sword & Sorcery

I shall write a book featuring a female main character that goes around killing people, girl bossing every man in the world, be the greatest in everything without any formal training, and have the entirety of the universe submit to her will. And you will all like it

>>24492876
Except for the last part that's already been written. Please develop better delusions.

>>24492876
You're not gonna write shit

>>24492876
I already like it.

I shall write a book featuring a female main character that goes around killing people, girl bossing every man in the world, be the greatest in everything without any formal training, and then have her raped. and you will all like it.

>>24492889
Autism or sociopathy?

>>24492889
If it's yuri rape I will buy 10 copies.

>>24492889
Now you have my attention.

I'm gonna write a book where the girlboss female main character dies from her hubris in the prologue, at the hands of another woman, and her younger brother has to pick up the pieces, groaning hard about how much better things would be if she were around.

Then in the sequel you'll find out about the timeline where she didn't die and realize how much better this one is for the whole world.

>>24492837
It's been memory-holed but this wasn't by accident. He delayed Dance to release the same year as the show for maximum synergy. The plan all along was the finish the last two books in the 5 year gap created by the show so that the final two seasons and books could be simul-released, which was considered the "future" of adaptations in the 201Xs

GRRM obviously failed at all that. It's also terrible revisionist history to claim he was uninvolved in the show even after season 5. He was still consulting on scripts right up until the final episode, and D&D were picked in the first place because they were able to guess at the final plot beats of the last two books to prove they were "real" fans

>>24492743 (OP)
>What modern series are likely to become genre classics?

>>24492856
>fire the writers who want to leave to do other projects
>hire new ones
wow so hard who could have thought this!

>>24492904
Poignant and interesting. I would love to read this.
>>24492914
Culture is dead.

>Anime girl cyberprison reaches its Kickstarter funding goal in minutes

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dipal-d1/dipal-d1-worlds-first-curved-screen-3d-ai-character-pod

>>24492743 (OP)
Gonna be rereading this series. I remember it quite fondly when I was a teenager, though I mostly remember the events of the first book. Will report back when I'm done with it.

>>24492924
>funding goal is only 10k
>pledges are all hundreds of dollars
Gee I wonder why
>have to buy a subscription to use it after buying it
This is why scifi isn't a hopeful genre anymore

>>24492922
>culture is dead
Correct, therofore it is our duty to become the arbiters of the new.

>>24492948
Influence is needed to do that.

>>24492913
We know that one was Johns lineage, but dk we know for sure that the other one was
>le danny get maddy

>>24492948
>>24492961
Talent and skill are needed as well, and I won’t even bother mentioning divine inspiration. Nearly every ounce of slop self published these days is uninspired trash. Gone are the days of PKD.

Are there any other "trapped in another world" books that are actually worth reading?

https://www.vulture.com/article/generative-ai-hollywood-movies-tv.html

Everyone Is Already Using AI (And Hiding It)

>She was fresh off a plane from Seattle, where she had done a talk with the science-fiction author Ted Chiang, who has written at length about why AI will never create great art.

>It didn’t look as good as it would have if he’d used traditional VFX software like Houdini or Maya, but he didn’t think most people would notice the difference. “Oh, there’s quality lost,” he said. “But that’s only lost on the people who appreciate it, like fine wine.”
This could well be the same for AI generated books. The era of lowest possible viable quality draws nigh.

>“I’ve listened to execs say, ‘So we can load a season of scripts into AI and it can churn out a show in a day?’ And I’m just like, Is that what you want? Meanwhile, all the people under them, who are also invited to listen, walk out of those meetings wanting to take a shower.”
One prompt to rule them all. Just write the book's outline and let it do the rest. That's not all that different from what exists with some writers who give ideas to contracted writers who use the major writer's name.

>The doomsday scenario is easy to imagine: powerful tools controlled by even more powerful companies, producing infinite, low-cost content.

>>24492992
The Wizard Knight by Gene Wolfe, PhD

>>24492992
Have you heard of a little known author called Gene Wolfe? He is only mentioned in every thread however you may not know about this obscure wordsmith.

>>24492992
Is that really what you're asking? Otherland is being trapped in a vidya game (kind of) but that's a fairly niche genre of isekai. They are all shit.

>>24492998
As scary as AI is I still believe it's gonna massively backfire for slopmakers. At some point even the least discerning of people will become to loathe the current state of art and culture, resulting in a influx of appreciation for that which is human made. Though it may remain to be underground, groups of people who fervently produce soulfull books, music and visual art will rise, and will refuse to have anything to do with AI or it's slop adjacents. Those who are caught doing it whilst pretending to be human will be forever banned and shames out of these artistic circles, and from these places a new cultural framework will arise.
It'll still take a while for this to come to fruition but it will be worth it.

>>24492867
That gorgon is making me rock solid if you catch my drift
>>24492876
Make her a hot milf and i will read it.
>>24492904
>of another woman
Make her a hot evil milf and i will read it

>>24493050
Imagine wanting stuff based on specific elements rather than as a whole. This is of the modern downfalls of all fiction.

>>24492780
>>24492791
>bad faith replies
sasuga

>>24493063
I do find it funny when someone comes up with ten highly specific things he wants in a book if he's to read it.

>>24492914
by sheer probability something is bound to become a classic

>>24493043
You're contradicting yourself and real world events has already proven you incorrect in practical terms.

Backfires don't matter overall. The least discerning people will simply move to something else for them. In books terms it'd be like saying "The people are tired of Sanderson. Surely now they will read Wolfe." It's never going to happen.

Then you state it may remain underground, which would seem to mean that despite the backfires, they will remain dominant.

Oh no, being banned from hipster artistic circles? Not being allowed to be part of the most exclusive literary cliques? Nothing will arise from that. That's never how cultural frameworks are formed.

It won't come to fruition, nor would it be worth it.

>>24492987
>Nearly every ounce of slop self published these days is uninspired trash
Then why bother?

>>24493078
You're welcome!
We at the Narrative Fulfilment Agency appreciate when our work meets our client's needs.
Please send the negotiated payments for these posts at your earliest convenience.

>>24492992
>trapped in another world
Yawn.

>>24493095
We cannot cede the present or future to the enemy. The struggle for eminence is inherently worthwhile.

>>24492998
Fritz Leiber warned us long ago in The Silver Eggheads.

>>24493113
>We
?
>future
??
>the enemy
???

>>24493115
>Silver Eggheads
https://www.blackgate.com/2018/02/21/the-silver-eggheads-by-fritz-leiber/
wew lad

>>24493094
But AI makes this different. Perhaps I didn't explain it well enough. I mean that the over proliferation of Artificial slop will result in positive gatekeeping wherein that which is excellent and human will be held in higher regard. Those who don't give a fuck about AI can remain to do so, but a lot of people who simply refuse to give any attention to things that was made with it. The gatekeeping in this case isn't some hipsterism or goth-like poser hate, becauss that was always grounded on nebulous and subjective values. This is a different beast entirely.

>>24493103
xDDDDD

>>24493131
It doesn't matter how highly it's held in regard if it's only a minority, especially in a capitalist system. You're romanticizing living in an enclave after surrender.

Based Gaskun and his mountainous scrawlings of space fantasy autism

>>24493153
>BASED BASED BASED BASED
>random image of some containers
holy newfag

>>24493147
>You're romanticizing living in an enclave after surrender.
But I'm not surrendering.

>>24493106
>He doesn't want to explore other worlds
You aren’t White.

>>24492857
Has this ever been published in physical format?

>>24492761
you know a book is good when the only naysaying is personal attacks LMAO

>>24493160
What else would accepting dominance be called?

>>24493173
What the fuck are you talking about?

>read eye of the world
>fucking love it
>find out after that non wheel of time fans hate it and wheel of time fans think it's the weakest one
wtf you mean it gets even better?

>>24493174
>The AI slop has won, but at least we can have a like-minded minority that gatekeep s!

>>24493177
Wheel of Time has a lot of filler books. Whether you like them or not will depend on how invested you become.

>>24493181
I've bought all the way in. I love Robert Jordan's prose a lot.

What do you look for in a fantasy book?

>>24493165
Neither are you.

We may have lost the modern SFF publishing industry. Almost none of the books are suitable for our taste. Even so, we have /sffg/ and that's enough. Our gatekeeping is lacking, but we can work on that. Our general shall be the basis for a new era of SFF.

>>24493177
Not that book 1 is bad but it does gets much better. There's a reason WoT became as popular as it did. Book 1 gets some flak because it (intentionally) starts out as a generic fantasy farmboy-to-hero trope / wise magician teaching the noobs kids. Also the author hadn't nailed down the magic system yet and worldbuilding just yet so there is some small inconsistencies with what comes latter on.

>>24493177
I think Eye gets dragged a bit because it was written before Jordan was able to expand the series and there are some things that stick out, plus each of the next five books are better than the one before it, making Eye seem weak in comparison. But I love it and I think it really shines on a reread where you can spot the foreshadowing and understand some mysteries with the context of the rest of the series.

>>24492922
>Poignant and interesting. I would love to read this.
Thanks. My main concern is that I'm going to bite off far more than I can chew learning how to write a book while writing something incredibly grand in scope. It's funny because this was originally the C-plot of the main rival family but I've "gardened" my way into them being more interesting than the main character's family.

Originally the A-plot was a family dealing with being stuck as the installed colonial leaders of a foreign imperial force and the children (ranging from ages 12 to 20) being forced into different adversities. The B-plot is a quest revolving around a guy trying to kill their very-real gods, that enter a mortal, Kaiju state once every few centuries. The C-plot is the family that wants to overthrow the main family, oust the imperium, and restore their kingdom. Then I have a bunch of other side plots that deal with the kids of the main and imperial families. But everything is starting to get jumbled up and the B-plot is starting to become the titular plot (it definitely has the highest stakes). And I still have to figure out what the "main character" of the C-plot actually does after his sister dies, because I don't want him to just tread the same path she desired (Total Imp Death) and have mixed feelings about going to war over living a comfortable life with room to grow within the imperial nobility. I kind of wanted to do 'What if the empire... was le good?" Or at least not wholly malicious.

>>24493050
Everything is better when the characters are attractive. I don't know when they aren't.

OMG Wheel of Time :OOOOO

Has anyone even attempted to write a book here? Or do we all consume AI slop?

>>24493194
I'm just glad I enjoyed it in spite of these perceived flaws.

People complain about it being derivative or cliche, and I just can't bring myself to care one way or the other. I love wizards. I love chosen one tropes. I love farmboys that come from nothing with an eye on adventure. I love kings, queens, and princesses. Simple as.

You can take the same basis, with the same roles, and create a compelling and endearing story. By virtue of it being done by different authors with different ideas and aims, said stories can be dear to someone for different reasons. And there's space for both of them.

>>24493158
It’s Gaskun. He posted this the other day. He’s still writing
>Talk about calling someone new

>>24493228
Yes, quite a few. Try reading the threads, including this one. There are those who have posted their published works on several occasions.

>>24493231
>BASED BASED
yep he is a newfag

>>24493228
I'm writing two right now. One Sci-Fi and one Fantasy. Fantasy series is probably gonna be a trilogy. Sci-Fi series is a duology (was supposed to be a single novel, but I suck at planning)

>>24493180
That's not what I said at all you fucking retard. I'm saying that AI slop will NOT win. It will canabilise itself and sink in it's own melaise, it will never hold the attention of people for long, and if it does it will only do so in sloppy overtly attention stealing ways (which is a different, though similar problem), which if it's the only cultural product that it keeps making it will crash and burn, as people will hunger for longform and detailed works. Why the fuck do you think all current AI is so chronically derivetive? Because it needs already existing things to function. When this rejection of AI gets concetrated a new explosion of great works will arise from it.
Will the best of the best have the most recognition? No. Will greedy execs and like-minded people continue to be starved for more money instead of great art? Yes. But those are different already existing problems.
You sound like you're throwing the towel in far more the I am.

>>24493229
Agreed but you're in for a wild ride now because Jordan starts from that base of all those usual tropes, expands on them and goes on to create his own.

>>24493239
So I've heard. Looking forward to the roller coaster.

>>24493236
Bitch be quiet. You weren’t even here for the gas station postings in 2016

>>24493228
Yes but I've learned I'm not a good enough writer to put my ideas into words. Also I suck at story planning.

>>24493248
>real oldfags remember [random shit I just made up]

>>24492761
I liked it. The main character does sensible , even creative things and author does not try to make a love triangle. Only for this it stands out against lit rpg slop.

>>24493238
You're the one who wrote that non-AI works may remain underground, unless you want to say that isn't you. Also, I continue to doubt that people will want something different. It won't lead to anything positive or great.

I don't think AI content will ever become dominant, or be all that important, aside from in its usage in propaganda, memes, and perhaps children's content.

>>24493238
Oh please, none of us would read anything that's not "traditionally" published, even if said book used AI extensively

>>24493228
I remember that autist birdboi tried.... and failed.

>>24493252
Shits more real than you are. I can’t write for shit but Gaskun does his own furcking thing. I’m sorry you weren’t here for it and I’m sorry your face looks like Hegels dogs ass but you need to get over yourself and quit being a two dollar faggot because it’s fucking up the vibe

>>24493260
Clearly you underestimate the number of readers of self-published books, webnovels, and other not traditionally published works.

>>24493193
The pendulum is swinging the other way, anon.

>>24493262
Who?

Gaskun
https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_tripcode=%21%21LKQ0Koj4uFz

>>24493269
Evidence?

>>24492992
The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant is both the first and best

>>24493278
Oh yeah. I don't think he ever finished a single work despite saying he did

>>24493274
Newfags will not have heard of him. Some anon with genuine autism who posted for years about his *obsessively* detailed worldbuilding. But his autism meant he could never write realistic characters or plot.

>>24493281
https://archive.vn/xYK8m

I like Robert A Heinlein's less coomer works (Starship Troopers, The Moon is A Harsh Mistress, Stranger in a Strange Land) and I like the Dresden Files, what should I read next? Inb4 Spider Robinson, Binary Star was gay.

>>24493289
He had a vampire book on Amazon but I don’t remember the name of it.

>>24493248
>BASED BASED BASED BASED
>2016
Yep you were never here before that year.

>>24493228
Sometimes anons post bits of what they're writing but the completed project is never seen. It's a shame because I enjoyed a couple of them

>>24493306
Suit yourself dicklick. I was here when people were still trying to figure out if “butterfly” was a tranny

>>24493294
> It aims to publish three books a year from 2026.
That's a potential ripple at best and not evidence at all of any significant change.

>>24493309
I'm 150k words into my first book but there's less than zero chance I'll post an extract here.

>>24493260
>none of us
Always some psychotic normalfag who projects their views and opinions as representative of the entire human population

>>24493315
It's a herald of change. belieeve anon. belieeeve.

>>24493259
Ok I'll admit I used underground wrong here. I meant removed from AI dominance, something which in the long run will cease to be dominant.

>>24493314
You will always be a 2016+ newfag for using the based buzzword, despite your random obligatory newfag non-sequitur.

>>24493322
>but there's less than zero chance I'll post an extract here.
Same here, desu. Like I gatekeep books I didn't write.

>>24493094
>Backfires don't matter overall.
They do matter, a lot, and historically has been the killer of people adopting new tech

AI is following the same arc as most failed tech: right now it's propped up by speculation investment and is sitting on a 50/50 split between novelty and hatred. They're in a lose-lose situation where the more they push it the less novel it is and the harder people hate it.

Once the backend investments stop flowing - and they will - then the increased cost and limitations will shy suits away from it, and we'll see people using anti-AI as a form of marketing. It'll settle in the same niche as 3D film, VR goggles, or motion controls

>>24492998
I think the use of AI on VFX/CGI are going to be pretty profound and will be a welcomed technology.
>>24493094
I think the better question is if ai-books will cut into the profits of Sanderson at a greater extent than the profits of a Wolfe or Bakker.

>>24493185
>Jordan
He carried Conan pretty damn well

>>24493338
2014, you “sonic the hedgehog pregnant with the eggman’s illegitimate seed” rule 34 erotic fanfiction writing double homo you

>>24493370
He wrote Conan books?? Adding that to the list.

>>24493371
>random newfagbabble
You will always be a 14-25 year old disingenuous newfag.

>>24493347
>I think the use of AI on VFX/CGI are going to be pretty profound and will be a welcomed technology.
And with animated movies, I feel like. Right now it takes like half a decade to make a movie like Spider-Verse. I think with new AI technology as assitance that time can be cut down significantly, and we'd all benefit from that.

>>24493376
im not new ive been here since 2021 tranny

>>24493376
Been on 4chan since 06 but didn’t come to lit until 2014. Im sorry you’re new. Get better soon. Weren’t you here for the vuvuzelas?

I've provided enough topics and generated enough conversation for today.

>>24493387
Thank you for your service, anon.

>>24493376
Is being a newfag so bad?
>t. 25 year old newfag

>>24493248
>>24493265
>>24493314
>>24493371
>>24493383
Embarrassing behavior.
>>24493393
When you shut the fuck up and lurk moar, nobody knows you're a newfag.

>>24493402
There’s no reason to be upset, young lady. And please mind your tone

>>24493404
>newfagbabble

>>24493298
Anything from Baen.

>>24493402
>When you shut the fuck up and lurk moar, nobody knows you're a newfag
That's fair. I found 4chan really confusing the first couple of times I've used, but right now it has become my prefered place to post shit. Godspeed, Oldfags.

The "hate myself and want to die lads" poster hasn't posted it here in almost 2 years now. Did he get better, leave, or die? Which do you think is most likely?

>>24493407
I’d recommend some lovely literature for you to enjoy in your spare time but based on the level of response form you I can’t recommend anything more compelling than “Clifford the big red dog”.

>>24493420
>condescending narcissistic newfagbabble

>>24493420
>Implying Clifford the big red dog isn't compelling
Pathetic

>>24493402
You should lurk 4chan in general for at least a year before you even think about posting and after that, at least 24 hours before posting to a unfamiliar board.

>>24493419
He regularly posted it in /sffg/ from 2018-2023 for context.

>>24493427
>one year
retarded newfag can't even use archives to pretend to be old

>>24492847
VALIS & The Illuminatus Trilogy

>>24492839
sorry to hear about your situation anon and I wish you the best. I agree with >>24492867 and I also recommend A Wizard of Earthsea. It is absolutely total complete peak comfy. it's a coming of age book about a young boy who becomes a wizard. yes yes that sounds YA and I suppose the book is YA but it's a beautiful story with lots of sailing. You can read this book standalone, and if you really enjoy it there are more books in the series. But to be clear, this can be read on its own (similar to let's say Dune).

>>24493434
To be fair, 99% probably don't use the archives.

>>24493443
I agree with you there. The implication was that newfags do not know archives exist. On larger boards like /v/ newfags outright ignore the existence of archives UNLESS it supports some opinion that they have

>>24493425
No no, I was implying anything more than cliffford would be over his head

>>24493425
He only ever entered the conversation to post his "epic reddit diss" thinking he would "own" me.

>>24493376
is this a thinly-veiled death threat?

>>24493453
But you just got here

what sffg books have lots of interesting and well written races like the elder scrolls?

>>24493169
I hate all forms of comedy, anon.

>>24493468
>everybody is new like me and arrived on the same day as I did
I hope you work out that psychosis before you assault somebody in real life and get yourself shot.

>>24492992
My as-of-yet unpublished novel, just wait a couple of months :)

>>24493508
>reading non-cosmere Sanderson

The Illusion of Thinking: Understanding the Strengths and Limitations of Reasoning Models via the Lens of Problem Complexity

Apple researchers have put out a study that says LRM/LLM thinking/reasoning/etc is all illusory. AI will never be anything more than a philosophical zombie.

Give me military sci fi recs.
None of the obvious ones, I’ve read those already. Maybe an easy space battleship read will get me back into reading. Havent read anything in 2 weeks

>>24493591
yeah yeah Dreyfus was reading Heidegger and talking about this in the 70s or something.

>>24493593
> None of the obvious ones
A Soldier's Duty

>>24492743 (OP)
Im almost done with the first Elric novel, Just give me an hour or two

>>24493667
OK

>>24493370
He did not.

>>24493508
took a look at one of the stories in the collection at random and it's this shit
c'mon man

>>24493710
I've already read them all from when they were originally published.

god Lord Chup is so fucking good

in fact this series has a ton of extremely good characters. Reminds me a lot of the early days of D&D before the Forgotten Realms ate it all up

>>24493667
based. I'll probably be asleep by then but I'll definitely check the thread in the morning

>>24493153
Did that guy ever post any of that anywhere? I only ever saw pictures of piles of manuscript.

What are some good fantasy/sci-fi stories with black main characters?

>>24492743 (OP)
Are there any SF novels or series with a Dredd/Arbites sort of vibe? Not a fan of comics

>>24492761
All litrpg could be replicated with Claude using a decent "style" prompt and a routine that updates a "open plot lines" document.

In fact, a good majority of it has been.

>>24493788
There are none.

>>24493788
Imaro

>>24493788
Ged from Earthsea

>>24493593
Try Starfist. It's been dead for years and the major member of the two man writing team is also dead but I always enjoyed it aside from maybe one or two entries.

>>24493866
>*removes Earthsea from his TBR*

>>24493788
Year of the quiet sun

>>24493875
Left Hand of Darkness too

>>24493875
and the only white people are religious zealots who are objectively the bad guys of the setting, even moreso than literal demons and dragons
its not a subtle series

>Wonder what Larry Niven is up to, wonder if he's dead
>Find interview from this year that he's working on more Gil Hamilton of ARM slop

Grim. I'm never getting another Ringworld novel before he dies.

>>24493901
is The Mote in god's eye any good?

Earthsea is widely considered the greatest fantasy series of all time. Who are you to question it?

>>24493908
"Eh" I never finished it. It started out good anyway.

>>24493696
I give it a 5/5, I really recommend. I'll probably jump to Weird of the White Wolf tomorrow because I want to see the end of the Cymoril/Yyrkoon Arc.

>>24493919
Also it is really short, it doesn't waste your time.

Is Dying Earth genuinely good? I really don't want to buy another book series that I'm just going to drop halfway through.

>>24493866
based. added to the list.

marenovum.substack.com/p/xviii-your-excellency
18/20. 2 more until I stop posting these
And then possibly start posting my new idea for a novel set on pre-historic Earth instead

>>24493788
Through the Valley of the Nest of Spiders

>>24493940
>Through the Valley of the Nest of Spiders
>A vast river of a novel alive with explicit sexuality and the richness of life itself, Through the Valley of the Nest of Spiders concerns a gay, working-class, interracial relationship
oh we not doing that

>>24493726
isn't Saberhagen included in the Appendix N?

What would you say is the difference between speculative fiction and science fiction?

>>24493952
But this is THE gay nigga novel. Surely posterity allows...

>it's a travel from our world to different world shit
all suspension of disbelief out the window

>>24493788
Zombie knight saga. I forget the mc is black at times.

>>24493977
Exactly. This is the laziest shit
Except one time I mentioned my hatred for it to someone and they said Alice In Wonderland is like this. It's the exception to the rule

>>24493958
>speculative fiction
deals with sociopolitical issues that affect our everyday lives, think of Stand on Zanzibar or City by Simak
>science fiction
big starship goes brrrr
i love both

>>24493919
>Weird of the White Wolf tomorrow
nah nigga at least read Sailors of the Seas of Fate to see elric become more depressed

>>24493980
I missed the i forget part and thought you said "the mc is black at times"

I was like what the fuck does that mean kek

>>24493998
ok nigga i will

>name is saberhagen
>write a series of novels about swords

>>24493791
Golem100 by Alfred Bester.

>>24493992
Margaret Atwood pls

>>24494009
it's really good, specially the third story "Sailing to the Past"

Virginia's narrator for Dark Age sounds pretty hot tbqh

>>24494041
Simply publish a literary novel first, then you dodge the genre ghetto with this one simple trick

>>24494054
I imagine Virginia to be pretty hot, so it fits.

Also. Cast her.

>>24494062
Besides Syndee Sweeney who i think would make a better Victra I can't really think of any young hot blonde actresses.

>>24493988
>except this one megapopular example that I haven't read
>that's okay
holy normalfag

>>24494084
Terrible-reading-comprehension-kun...

>>24494062
>Cast her.
Aurora Rune

>>24494097
>these words I typed mean something completely different based off my headcanon
Surprising.

>>24493726
It reminds you of Greyhawk?

>>24494104
or did you mean Blackmoor?

listen to the master. until you do, you can't understand fantasy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sT2WMKgN

>>24494109
>This video is unavailable

>>24494124
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sT2WMKgN-0

>>24494062
>>24494078
sweeney is too smol

most hot blonde actresses are too smol. and the ones who are tall enough are too old.

>>24493091
Name one person whose gone to jail for antisemitism.

>>24494062
>>24494078
>>24494101
>>24494152
>casting
why do you do this?

>>24493925
The books are self contained so your not leaving yourself hanging if you drop it, and the first one is only about 100 pages so it's not some big time investment. It is great but it seems to disappoint people who are expecting it to be grimdark or epic based on the title, and not the goofiest thing ever.

>>24494172
https://www.google.com/search?q=jail+for+antisemitism&oq=jail+for+antisemitism&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIGCAEQLhhA0gEIMzQ5MmowajSoAgCwAgE&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

>>24494174
Because there's a TV series on the way.

And it's fun.

>>24494264
>Because there's a TV series on the way.
Okay boys cast CARL for the hit popular blockbuster DUNGEON CRAWLER CARL series. No really, there is a TV show coming so who would be a good Carl?

>>24494279
>Seth McFarlane working on it
Fine I'll read the Reddit books. But only because I like The Orville (and I only liked that because I'm a Star Trek junkie)

>>24494264
Cast him

>>24494062
Robert Downey jr or Tom Holland
>>24494279
Robert Downey jr, Tom Holland or Jack Black
>>24494323
Robert Downey jr or Tom Holland
Edit: wow this blew up! thanks for the gold guys!!

>>24494345
Pedro Pascal

>>24493888
Stop reading books by women.

>>24494141
I have a feeling this whole "instantly hook the readers" is a long term detriment. Everyone is so fixated "if I'm not in love with the book after the first 50 pages it's shit" approach.

>>24494264
neither of those statements are good things, though. whats the deal here? wheres the shame?

>>24494224
>first link is from the UK
>second link is for threats made
>third link is for threats made
kekw

>>24494323
Robert Pattinson

>>24494345
None of these would be good Carls, retarded nigger.

>>24494564
There's nothing better than your favorite series getting a good adaptation, and nothing worse than it getting butchered.

You could get a Lord of the Rings, or you could get a Wheel of Time. I'm willing to flip that coin with Red Rising, because it could be something special if they do it right.

>>24494578
Pedro Pascal!!!

>>24494564
sfffags never know shame. That is why they consume so much slop and why it will never be taken seriously as a genre unfortunately. If Wolfe was as popular as King we'd be in some Utopian golden age.
I'll become the change I want to see.

>>24494593
I need you to tell me you're being sarcastic before I blow my fucking brains out.

>>24494608
I don't know why you're so fucking mad anon it's not that serious.

>>24494605
>they
>slop
Why do newfags always come to 4chan then make posts like they're a journalist typing up an article about those "nasty 4channers"? Generic Wolfe mention too, newfag cannot comprehend anybody reading any literature other than his top 3 popular authors.
>I'll become the change I want to see
I hope you change the position of a small-calibur bullet from the chamber of a firearm into your chest cavity.

>>24494593
>You could get a Lord of the Rings
no you can't. That happened one time. It was lightning in a bottle with far to many puzzle pieces that fit to happen again, or at least until/if we ever get out of modernity.
>There's nothing better than your favorite series getting a good adaptation
I hate you so much

>>24494613
>I hate you so much
What kind of mentality is this? The books are still going to be there. You lose nothing from seeing it in a different medium. Do you guys not watch or enjoy movies and shows or something?

>>24494593
>here's nothing better than your favorite series getting a good adaptation
Do casuals really think like this?

>>24494576
Real

>>24494629
Normalfags have been the 4chan poster majority longer than it has not. Sadly.

>>24494593
>I NEED JEWISH HOLLYWOOD PRODUCERS TO VALIDATE MY TASTE IN BOOKS
i hope you fucking die

>>24492800
>Sour as shit that he didn't see any of those Witcher 3 bucks
>I-I'll write something else! It-it'll be HUGE, believe me!
>Dies without ever having written a single worthwhile novel

>>24492800
>second most-translated Polish science fiction and fantasy writer after Stanisław Lem.[1]
wew

>>24494593
No, you cannot get a Lord of the Rings in 2025. It's not a random chance, it's not a coin flip, there simply is not the talent in film and television today that there was twenty five years ago. And even then it was basically a miracle. Adaptations are far more misses than they are any good, even when there WAS talent in Hollywood. So no, you WILL NOT get a Lord of the Rings, it WILL BE a Wheel of Time.

>>24494634
you guys have been beaten into submission holy shit

i guess this is the result of so many bad adaptations. anons lose their fucking minds.

>>24494647
OMG right???? jews can do no wrong lmao

>>24492856
Martin and his publisher should have negotiated a better contract in the first place if he didn't want hbo making up fanfic after the end of his books.

>>24493168
amazon will do their print-on-demand shit for just about anyone as long as you can get an ebook version up.

>>24494631
Also, thanks for sharing your thoughts on the book, I'll put it in my tbr for sooner rather than later

>>24492992
read pic related. it's peak light novel slop.

>>24493168
You could confirm this query by spending an entire 20 seconds browsing to the related Amazon page.

>>24493788
the only black fantasy MC i know is drizzt

>>24493958
I thought speculative fiction was just coined as a more ""respectable"" way to say Scifi & fantasy by people who really want attention from literary fiction fags but don't wanna stop reading SFF

>>24494675
>black
Depends on the cover. His depiction has greatly varied over the years. Yes, this is Drizzt. No, this isn't the only original book cover that shows like this. Yes, there are several others that also aren't black, but not this white.

>>24493788
I don't know any but Malazan has a couple badass black characters who also have a PoVs and sizeable chunks of the text.

>>24494323
Henry Cavill

>>24492800
>I’m not a visual person. What I write, I don’t see it. That’s the truth. To me, it’s just letters. Nothing more.
As a person who is seeing before writing or during reading - how the fuck can you write good or enjoy reading if you don't see?

>>24494593
The Lord of the Rings was not a good adaptation though.

>>24492761
I bet you are a dog person

>>24492743 (OP)
>What modern series are likely to become genre classics?

>>24494670
Your welcome, bro

>>24493952
Take the call, playa

>>24494720
>The Lord of the Rings was not a good adaptation though.
explain

>>24494663
>>24494672
thanks bbs

>>24494821
NTA but Iwanted to see the Saruman of Many Colors scene.

>read a few discworld books
>liked it overall. some ups and downs but the humor and philosophical stuff hit hard
>currently reading lies of locke lamora
>liking it, probably helps that i liked ocean's eleven

i'm trying to build my backlog a bit
any opinions on pic related?
on goodreads it seems like it loses points for a lot of people because of blatant sexism.
personally i don't mind it, as long as it's funny and not i-genuinely-despise-women kind of stuff

what side does it lean on?
any review would be appreciated

>>24494841
Saruman got both more and less exposure in those films. It might have been cool but it wouldn't have added anything extra to the films.

>>24494821
Many character personalities/motivations were changed (for the worse), it preferred martial spectacle over the destruction it brought, the sense of wonder and melancholy and loss was pretty much lost after the first movie, stupid quips and lines that did not fit in. They're not bad movies, just not good adaptations.

Alright.
Soft Magic system or Hard Magic system?

>>24494851
Soft. Rules for magic is silly but if it's well written I don't care.

>>24494851
Hard. Soft systems are too much problem-handwaving to serve the plot.

I just finished Magician: Apprentice and Magician: Master. The first 2 books of the riftwar cycle.
What did I think of them?

>>24494851
Soft because I'll forget the rules of the hard magic system by the next page. No point unless you're an autist trying to treat the story like a MTG game

>>24494931
The MTG novels are as soft as it gets.

>>24492800
source, since there was more conversation than I thought there would be. It has somewhat more, but the original interview is in Polish, the video is in the article, so it's a translation.
https://redanianintelligence.com/2025/06/24/the-witcher-author-promises-new-books-unlike-george-r-r-martin-when-i-say-ill-write-something-i-will/

>>24492800
>>24494643
>Andrzej Sapkowski
Andrzej "i fucking hate videogames and these dudes are making one and they want to buy the rights to my books, so i sell them for a pittance and once the game is a thousand times more successful than my book go back and ask for a buttload of money" Sapkowski?

>>24495173
I think they mean Andrzej "Eternally butthurt that the writers in the medium he spit at wrote a better and more popular Witcher story than he ever could" Sapkowski

>>24492839
Not sure if low stakes but the Hobbit is doing that for me right now. I find the first HP book clmfy, as well.

>>24492914
Maybe this is just the pessimist in me but probably The Stormlight Archive. I dunno how history will look back on TSA and Sanderson but something tells me he'll be one of "le greats".

>>24493106
>yaaaas i want le heckin realistic pseudo-historical slop
>a world you get transported into? No thanksies
>now if you'll excuse me I'm reading the subversive "King of Rape and Ruin" where the protagonist is actually not a good person but... LE GREY!

>>24492998
These AI generated books - are they in this room with us right now?

>>24493177
I don't care what anyone says, book 1-3 of the Wheel of Time are kino, with book 2 being my personal favorite in that first "trilogy". There are good books later on but WOT fans (especially of the reddit variety) mostly have shit takes.

>>24493710
Is this real? Sanderson really is the MCU of fantasy, huh? It's not even a joke at this point.

>>24494846
>any opinions on pic related?
The writer is a pedo, he has a daughter who usually appears in his novels as the main character's cocksleeve.

>>24494930
You will know when you read them. You have them in your to-read list.

>>24492992
John Carter

>>24495332
>The writer is a pedo
so are you, but i'm still replying to you.
anything about the book?

>>24493788
coonan the basketballian

>>24495407
You're a pedo too, so you will enjoy it. Pedo.

>>24495332
>The writer is a pedo
brb ordering 1000 copies

>>24495332
The author wrote his daughter into his books to be a love interest for the main character? Seems far fetched

>>24495332
>he has a daughter who usually appears in his novels as the main character's cocksleeve

sounds dangerously based
i once wrote a story and inserted my ex-gf that my MC pumped and dumped

>>24495477
I'm sure you have the mental capacity to tell the difference between a daughter and an ex-girlfriend. Or you're just being edgy, whatever.

>>24494104
>>24494107
I was way too young to know the actual setting names, but my dad was really into D&D and he had a lot of books - some paperbacks, a lot just printer paper in spiral bindings - and I loved them so much I told people I was also really into D&D even though I never played the actual TT game

later I tried to get into Salvatore and Greenwood and Cunningham and they all sucked ass

>>24494776
>the complete malazan
how big would this fucking thing be if it was physical

>>24495550
big enough you could probably kill someone. Also I couldn't imagine how demoralising it would be to have that version of it. You'd could read for hours and only be about 1% further through it. Not to mention trying to search for things within it would be a nightmare

>>24495579
>big enough you could probably kill someone
The Last Dangerous Visions was going to be like that :(

>>24494851
>mc is a magic user
Hard, unless you're as good as le guin. It's difficult to make any conflict land well if the only limit on magic being able to solve any problem is author fiat.
>mc is NOT a magic user
Soft, and make the wizards distant and unknowable with their own goals and values that are only vaguely adjacent to the POV characters'. They should be more like a force of nature instead of a character.

>>24495601
LOTR is a good example of this and both systems. The One Ring is a good example of hard magic. It follows rules and it’s explained what it does and doesn’t do. The actual magic, especially with Gandalf, is soft. It’s unclear what the limits and extents of his powers are. Same with Tom Bombadil.

>>24495550
Probably something like this:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=MwQMYrq_wAk&pp=ygUUZ2FydGggbWFyZW5naGkgb3V2cmU%3D

>>24495658
>>24495550
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bioxZa950vo

reminds me of this monstrosity

>>24495579
>You'd could read for hours and only be about 1% further through it.
Ive got some fuckin huge epubs on my ereader but they are mostly downloads of web novels. I downloaded the first 6 volumes of The Wandering Inn as one ebook file with web2epub and it's 15,000 pages.

>>24495692
>monstrosity
The tranny or the book?

>>24495711
I think she's just british.

>>24495711
>dyed hair
>tattoos
it's called a cluster b disorder

>>24495711
she's a biofem and I would

>>24495723
It's the same.

>>24495692
Slinky lookin ahh book

>>24495711
>sees a homely looking woman, who is clearly very german, binding a book, sewing it, cutting and carving leather by hand then staining it while using gold leaf
>kneejerks into tranny without even watching the video
>is so jaded and unhappy he can't even enjoy someone ELSE having a hobby since he clearly doesn't himself
SAD!

>>24495893
>homely looking
>very German

>>24495658
I love garth

>>24494686
The guy that drew those was a moron who didn't know what elves were supposed to be like and just drew an old guy because someone told him Drizzt was like 70.

>>24496018
Based illustrator.

>>24492851
As he should be. Authors do not often get the chance to cash out.

>>24494846
>on goodreads it seems like it loses points for a lot of people because of blatant sexism.
Sounds like a ringing endorsement.

>>24496132
yesn't, if that one complaint drowns out actual criticism that might otherwise be a dealbreaker

>>24495332
>You will know when you read them. You have them in your to-read list.
lol nah, I actually read then.

>>24494930
Alright. I slept on it. Here are my thoughts: I liked it. But it's a little dry. For a book called "magician", there is actually very little magic. It's a fairly large book. Apparently, the first two books were once 1 book, and then latter editions split them into 2 books. That's why I read them together, because it seemed like I needed to read both in order to get the whole story. Individually, the books aren't small. Together, it's a large book. And so when I say there's very little magic, I mean in comparison to how large the books are. Magical stuff does occur in the book. But those events are rare. Magic more seems to serve as turning points to drive the story in a new direction. So they're all carefully placed in the plot. Characters aren't just throwing fireballs around all willy nilly.

The real focus of the book isn't about a kid learning magic. But a kingdom getting pulled into a war by alien invaders. Characters travel about in attempts to sure up alliances, and along the way run into skirmishes here and there. So I guess you could think of it more like a political intrigue? Though I'm hesitant to call it that, since the intrigue isn't very intriguing. It's basically just like "we have to see the elf queen, to tell them about the invaders! Let's ride! Oh no! We're under attack!" "We have to seek out our neighboring lords or aid. Let's set sail! Oh no! We're under attack!"

The story does spend a bit of time establishing relationships between characters, so it doesn't feel shallow when something happens to a character. But even so, their relationships develop faster than what I'm accustomed to. Where they're strangers one page, and then suddenly have feelings for each other the next page. That's fairly common in older books. But still, an effort was made there, so I let myself feel sympathetic for this character or that.

I get a little spoilery here, so I'm adding tags to the whole paragraph. Reveal at your discretion.
I think the main issue with this book, is that there wasn't any sense to any of the conflict. I think that was the point. But it was a little disappointing none the less. The war started for no real grandiose reason. It was just the result of political maneuvering on the invader's side. And the resolution of the war was due to no grand destiny, no great revelation, or anything like that. Just a god-like being intervening. His plans unknowable until the very end of the book. And even after the explanation, it seems he too had no great destiny either. He was just powerful enough to see into the future, and figure out what must be done. So he set a few pieces into motion, in order to get to the inevitable future. He even says he was fated to do it. So it's not even like he had a choice. It was just the inevitable coming about.

Are Folio Society editions worth getting?

>>24494930
>>24496384
The story did take some unexpected turns however. So while the actual magical aspects and political intrigue were mild, the story still managed to make me go "wait wut?", and want to read more to figure out what's going.

The alien invaders in the book are pretty much just imperial asians. I'm not sure exactly who the author is taking inspiration from. China? Japan? I don't know. But it's basically just asia coming to invade. Which reminds me of wheel of time. I can see Robert Jordan taking inspiration from this story with his Seanchan. But a partial inversion. Where Magician, the mages are treated like authorities above the law in the asian country, and like beggars in the western countries. In Wheel of Time, it's inverted, where mages are treated like slaves in the asian country, and above the law in the western countries.

Unlike in Wheel of Time, in Magicians, you actually get a pov in the country of the invaders. So you actually learn about their culture more directly. This leads to some fairly interesting events. But it doesn't quite hit as hard in 2025 as it probably did in 1982. Because back then, asia was still the mysterious kung-fu place. While today, a lot of the mystery is no longer there, thanks to the internet, and all the cultural trade we do these days.
But the author did manage to avoid making the asian country appear stereotypical. He didn't write it with rose tinted glasses, or try to make them sound so different from everyone else. Like yes, their culture is different, but it felt grounded, down to earth, once you saw the other side.

But that's almost why the story was so dry. That because the invaders were so similar, it made the war feel so fucking pointless. Which again, is likely the whole point. To instill that feeling into the reader of just being exhausted over this pointless war.

In the end, while everything changed, nothing changed at the same time. The characters went on this grand journey, they grew and changed, and there was no greater purpose to it. I'm not unhappy I read it. I would even recommend it to others. I just wish there was something more. A little more "oomph". I can't even put it into words.

I read the Cradle series, and am I the only one who thinks how Remnants are treated is kinda morbid?

For those unfamiliar with the setting, when a person or creature dies, their spiritual core and channels leave their body and become a separate entity, essentially a ghost. In Cradle, they are often butchered for parts to make various tools, weapons, and constructs tied to their original beings' abilities and skills.

This is already a bit messed up to me, but it's shown that while Remnants emerge as sort of animalistic boiled down versions of who they used to be, over time, they become more intelligent and recall more of who they were. This is to the point that powerful and old Remnants are often just referred to by their old identities.

Despite this, I don't think anyone ever questions the mortality of using them as crafting material or a fuel source, and it was a bit jarring to me.

>>24496418
I also want to add, that a positive aspect of the book, is how everyone is mostly sensible. They use reason and logic for most things. Even if their reason is sometimes flawed, you can still understand why they think the way they do. For the first characters who are unreasonable, it's immediately recognized by other characters, and they react appropriately when confronted by unreasonable people.
I was afraid near the beginning of the book that they were about to set up an annoying dynamic, where there's a whole huge misunderstanding between two characters. But it didn't go that way. The author knew what he was doing.

>>24496494
The way remnants are treated is tame compared to how your average chink xianxia treats regular people.

>>24496504
If I compared everything to average xianxia, I'd think nearly everything I read was great.

>>24496132
>>24496176
>Liking a book only if you agree with the author's ideology
Fake readers.

>>24496496
You might enjoy the sequel trilogy. It takes place concurrently with the first trilogy but in the paeudo-asian society. Fairly low action, but tons of politics and scheming. The events are almost entirely separate, but there's some crossover.

>>24496494
lol, yeah, I noticed that too. It's bizarre. One of the monarchs is a remnant too. You would think that with the ability to climb so high, remnants would have more protections against slaughter. But no, they don't.

If I had to try and make sense of it, I would think that allowing remnants to develop into independent entities would be a strain on resources. Since it takes a lot to keep a remnant alive. they take about as much resources as a living person. And most people are trying to get stronger themselves. Why waste resources on someone who is only a shadow of the person you once knew? Also, if a remnant is not born with a keen mind, then you're essentially taking care of a mental invalid, until you have enough resources to get them to regain their minds. How many years could that be? Nobody wants to take care of some 30 IQ braindead thing for an extended period, waiting for them to develop into a functioning human being again. And all the while, they have the power to harm and kill others without even realizing what they're doing. The calmer remnants just wander aimlessly, but it's still a strain on everyone to keep the remnant alive.

The books does address the morality of it when it comes to Tiberian Aurelius. His remnant is held in captivity, and that bothers a lot of the characters. But that's part in due to the fact that he was formally so powerful. And also in part due that his remnant is almost an exact copy of himself, even in mind. So he has the mental wherewithal to understand his captivity and suffer from it.

So yeah, I think that taking care of a remnant isn't really viable, unless you have herald level resources at least.

>>24496548
Well, Tiberian and Emriss were both Monarchs in life, and I think it's implied that when you're that strong, your Remnant pops out being way more aware than normal. So maybe it's treated differently for them.

That said, I don't think Remnants require many resources. As long as they aren't exerting themselves, I'm pretty sure they're self-sustaining, and they're only at risk if they're pushed super hard for a long time. Giving them energy might make them become more aware quicker, though.

>>24496519
Who said anything about ideology? I am entertained by misogyny

>>24496576
ok, so I was a little mistaken. Remnants feed off other remnants, and passively absorb aura. But they do no cycle. Which is what I thought. So because they can't cycle, it takes an effort to keep remnants alive. They have to eat other remnants to avoid dispersing. Because remnants are made up of the very elements, if they use too much energy, they use themselves up.
But imagine having to go hunt for lessor remnants, in order to feed your beloved remnant, just to avoid them from dispersing, or further slipping into animalistic behavior.

>>24496545
I'm not sure what you mean by the sequel trilogy. Raymond E. Feist appears to have written a lot of books in this world. I was going to follow up with Silverthorn. Since it's apparently a direct sequel to what I just finished reading. And it's one of his earliest published works. I don't want to jump around too much. I prefer going in publication order. Unless a latter work is independent of the former work. I don't know anything about Silverthorn. I'm just going to go in on faith that it's at least about as good as the previous book. Though I'm hoping it's better.

But do you know what's funny? I actually avoided reading the Magician series because the title sounded super generic. I've seen it get mentioned a few times in these threads, and just passed on it. But then I was browsing goodreads for recommendations, when I saw "Daughter of the Empire". That looked interesting. Then I noticed it was labelled as the 5th book in the Riftwar Cycle. So I figured I should start at Riftwar Cycle 1. Which happened to be Magician: Apprentice. I took that as a sign to give Magician a chance.

Oh yeah, I just remember something else I wanted to say about Magician. That the story has a very similar vibe to A Shadow in Summer. Or The Long Prince Quartet, as the series is called. It was similar in the way it told the tale between two main boys who had a childhood friendship. And how their lives evolve into two different ways. And all the political intrigue that occurs. And how it depicts conflicts as very inglorious. However, I think The Long Prince Quartet has more weight to it. Even though I was annoyed by the lack of magic in that book too, it made up the difference with thicker character drama.

>>24496661
>I'm not sure what you mean by the sequel trilogy.
The trilogy that was published directly after the first trilogy.
>But then I was browsing goodreads for recommendations, when I saw "Daughter of the Empire".
That is the first book of the trilogy I was talking about. I wasn't saying skip to it, but it doesn't rely on having read the first trilogy to make sense, it's its own thing.

>>24496679
>but it doesn't rely on having read the first trilogy to make sense, it's its own thing.
Ah, I see now. Welp. I'm already in the middle of the first trilogy. Might as well finish it before moving on.

>>24496398
I have the LOTR, Hobbit and Silmarillion and they’re beautiful display books but I feel that they’re too nice to actually read and I’ve only read my folio versions once. So yes for display, no for actual reading because I don’t want to ruin them. They’re good quality though if you do.

>>24496661
Are you me? I have Magician and Daughter of the Empire to read too. 50p each and everything.

>>24496875
"50p"? What does that mean? You're reading to earn points or something?

I'll make the thread. One minute please.

>>24496881
Pennies, mate. Britain, ya ken.

>>24496895
>>24496895
>>24496895
Migrate at your leisure.

>>24496889
oh! So you got them for cheap? That's nice. 50 pennies is a steal honestly. Not even the price for basic goods at the grocer.

>>24496384
>>24496418
this is possibly the most damning positive review i've ever read, not counting reddit gif posters in the goodreads comment section