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old: >>24474978

Why the Targ hate my bruddas. They got cool lizards with wings...Thats pretty cool...

Any Stark reunification kino

>>24494946
>show design art that even includes Sansas stupid fucking ring outfit
Yuck

>>24494946
Looks like Sandra is looking lustfully at Ghost

>>24495218
Yjk

>>24494890 (OP)
George warning of "Butteflies" in one of his blog posts is hilarious. That's exactly what he did with the main series.

>>24494946
>no Rickon
>no Benjor
God I hate these showfags

>>24495442
Rickon is dead

>>24495218
that;s the Jon she is looking confused for

>>24495468
What's the difference? Jon's soul is inside Ghost.

>>24495502
would baby talk like Jon or Ghost ?

Walk with me, my sweet summer child, and hear the tale of fat pink masts jutting into sopping wet myrish swamps and black nipples brushing against silk until her cunt became the world while in the privy the princess guzzled arbor gold and shat but the more she drank the more she shat until she was shitting brown water and around her the planks of the ship groaned like a fat man taking a shit while she cursed the gods and nuncle smiled as he broke his fast on black bread, bacon burned black, and mulled wine while capon-grease dribbled down his chin and onto the boiled leather of his jerkin for did she not know words are wind and dark wings bring dark words and a lannister always pays her debts and mayhaps this is nothing but a mummers farce and useless as nipples on a breastplate and the princess has been fucking lancel and moonboy for all nuncle knows and he is the blood of the dragon for the night is dark and full of terrors but where do whores go and jon snow knows nothing and near enough makes no matter so nuncle smiled and dipped the heel of his bread into clam chowder and prayed for half a hundred more heh har HODOR

>>24495468
More like the marriage to Ramsay awoke something in her.

>>24495468
Sansa with Ghost is only slightly more disgusting than her with Jon.

>>24495826
Correct, Sansa is for Lannister cock only.

Sansa and Aegon become end game their son is The Prince That Was Promised now that ice and fire are unified

Daenerys snaps and becomes the second coming of Robert Baratheon.

>Promise me, Ned.

He was literally the hero of the story and George couldn't have that.

>>24495919
>targaryen shit
no!

Jonsa.

>the original plotline was Jon-Tyrion-Arya love triangle
>Sansa replaced Arya in the show in a lot of circumstances

Jonsabros?

>>24496149
Status: WINNING

>>24496149
>the show
Never mattered. In the books Sansa doesn't even come to mind for Jon most of the time.

>>24496251
Those early chapters of Jon are the best in the entire series. God damn the story sucks now.

>>24496149
>>24496251
>Jon would get childhood friend imouto (not real sister though) tomboy gf
He got robbed.

>>24496341
I forgot there were like 4 fucking weddings in ADWD. Like George just slammed his B on his keyboard for BLOOOOAT.

>>24494895
Targs are some female shit fuck that too gay for me

>>24496712
>>24494895

>>24496380
It's like poetry, it rhymes.

>>24496380
Jon arranges a marriage for political reasons that will guarantee him the Thenns for his army of wildlings when he resurrects. Dany got married to try to be a good ruler and almost got assassinated for it, she'll be coming back with fire and blood and her dothraki horde.
Ramsay married fArya in a futile attempt to win the Norths approval that motivates Jon, Stannis and Theon.
Three weddings, all essential to the plot.
Am I forgetting one?

>>24496847
Minor example: The Lannisters (cadet branch, Devan Lannister) are planning a wedding to ease tensions with the Freys (Lady Stoneheart will likely crash it and kill them all).
This will weaken Lannister and Frey rule further, allowing Dany to conquer. Not ESSENTIAL to the plot perse, but still relevant.

>>24496844
You’ve been posting this every thread. So ill ask you this: have you heard the theory that ADWD was ghost written? It has a different writing prose than even AFFC.

>>24496841
given how much the dragons pushed Dany's entire storyline post-pyre, I wonder what gurm's original idea was with her
its the dragons that gets her an audience in qarth and the dragons that makes her feared. she buys the unsullied with dragons too.

>>24496872
its more like the sign of gurms slipping interest in the story, which we know to be true

>>24496872
That's not me dude, I was making a joke. I don't think ADWD is ghost written but I do think GRRM had more inspiration when he wrote it because it's very similar in prose to his more older, sci fi stuff. AFFC on the other hand is a lot more like his earlier Dunk and Egg stuff.

>>24496251
He isn't missing her in his POV yet because he hasn't lost his family yet (he will soon in the story). It's only when he loses them outright to death that he thinks of Sansa (and she thinks of him back in her POVs for the same reason, especially when she feels bad for the way she treated him after she has to pretend to be Alayne Stone and warms up to Mya.

>>24496841
I HECKING LOVE DWAGONS!!! WHOS YOUR FAVORITE FIRE DOGGO? MINE IS LE SPICY NOODLE LONGBOI CARAXES I JUST WANT TO BOOP HIS SNOUT!

>>24496841
dany/the dragons are the worst and most uninteresting plotline by far

>>24496876
>I did consider in the very early stages not having the dragons in there. I wanted the Targaryen’s symbol to be the dragons, but I did play with the notion that maybe it was like a psionic power, that it was pyrokinesis — that they could conjure up flames with their minds. I went back and forth. My friend and fellow fantasy writer Phyllis Eisenstein actually was the one who convinced me to put the dragons in, and I dedicated the third book to her. And I think it was the right call. - GRRM

>>24496947
How did you find that screencap of Glidus' discord server?

is there anything new to talk about this series anymore?

What was your reaction to the tree at the bottom of the well

>>24497036
Yep. Arya might be more annoying as a character but Dany's story is worse

>>24496341
The first book had the worst Jon chapters

>>24497036
Buckbroken Dany and remains of her khalasar dragging themselves across desert and taking the Slaver's Bay was kino enough. The Mereen rulership arc of
>"Oh I've made a tyranny out of Astapor and Harpy's sons are killing my men and someone's betraying me and Hizdahr wants the pits and marriage and Drogon eats peasants and there's the pale mare and I want Daario cock and~"
is the worst drag in the series. I feel like it was maybe somewhat intended to be such, so that we feel as tired of all "muh proper rulership" crap as Dany and empathize better with her when she goes all Fire and Blood, but it works if we go from the slog right into rapid and drastic action, not if we're left poondering the slog as out cliffhanger for 10+ years.

Would briene respect stannis if she got to know him and vice versa?

>>24497565
Define "know him".
>some personal familiarity
She'd find him scary, but repsectable.
>knowing him deeply with all of his secrets
She'd find him an honorless and cruel. False knight and false lord, much less a false king. Not to mention that she would never let go of the whole Renly thing.
>"know him" in a biblical sense
Kinda pathetic since we know that Stannis is utterly mechanical about it.

GRRM treating himself to another well-deserved vacation / writing break to go play the celebrity.

>>24496861
>Devan Lannister

>>24497779
>it's yet another event where no ASOIAF questions are allowed

>>24497779
>>24497832
It’s probably going to be like the comic con panel for GoT S8 where only pre scripted questions were allowed and fan Q&A is cut off. It’s fucking bullshit.

>>24497898
What else can they do? Nobody wants fans screeching out WoW when? during the whole event

>>24497922
>Nobody
Wrong only George. The fat fuck deserves to be pressed a little on this.

>>24497571
Could she not see past his crimes like she saw through jamies? Killing renly was for the good of the realm.

gaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

>>24497779
>Comic-con
So he'll be there to shill D&E and HOTD and nothing else (unless it's Wild Cards of course)

>>24498255
More like shill his dead faggot friends posthumous projects and Elden ring movie

>>24497779
FUCKING DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEE

>>24498250
>"You have always presumed on my forbearance," Stannis warned Davos when they were alone. "I can shorten your tongue as easy as I did your fingers, smuggler."
>"I am your man, Your Grace. So it is your tongue, to do with as you please."

>>24498299
brb gonna write an ASOIAF parody of "Yonkers," replacing all of the babble with Georgisms and include the lines "Stab George Martin in his goddamned esophagus and won't stop until the kingsguard come"

>>24498250
>>24498302
>But if we can attack from the north and west simultaneously, and take the ironmen in the rear while they are beating off what they think is my main thrust up the causeway, then we have a chance.

>>24498309
>I'm a fucking walking lobstered glove

>>24498311
https://youtu.be/J1PrmFQUB8o?si=0BLMclQvpTWVoX_Q

>>24498250
I think it was Quinn the GM who recently started claiming that "my onion knight" has homoerotic undertones

>>24498381
I always had a feeling he might be gay because he can't fucking stop gushing over Jon Connington.

>>24498464
it's weird how he claims JonCon chapters are just gushing with homo-subtext but I don't think I would've noticed Jon was gay without someone telling me before I read it.

If JonCon was really a homosexual, he should have sugardaddied Viserys so Dany and Vis didn't have to grow up hungry

>he's been bolder with the shit talk, clearly feeling confident
>appearing at a convention even though he promised to cut appearances down
Bros, I think this is it.

>>24497328
I think Dany should have been switched with her brother because he was so stupid and George was against him. Then his plotline would have been a humiliation congo and not whatever the hell Dany's been doing

You're telling me JonCon knew that Viserys, Dany, AND Aegon were all alive but only cared about Rhaegar's son for twelve whole years? Seriously George?

>>24498486
What the fuck does it matter if we actually get Winds of Winter? We're not getting A Dream of Spring befor he dies anyway. You want winds because you think it's going to answer a bunch of questions but realistically it's going to ask as much as it answers. You only want winds if you're a youtube faggot who does theory videos.

>>24498555
Trips of fucking truth. This series isn’t getting finished, not anymore.

>>24498486
He’d clearly be gloating though if he was close to the finish line.
This is the complete opposite. He’s admitting defeat and breaking up past promises to focus entirely on Winds, not do conference appearances until it was out, etc.

>>24498486
>75% complete in 2022
>11 years after Dance
>1 year = 11% progress
>3 years later is 33%
>75%+33%=108%
Bros...

>>24498555
>We're not getting A Dream of Spring
who cares? i just want to see the end ADWD was supposed to have, fuck the rest of the story

>>24498772
Oldtown nigger detected

>>24496861
>allowing Dany to conquer
last time I checked, Dany was still having diarrhea on the other side of the world while Aegon landed in Westeros with the Golden Company

I hope this fat fuck dies soon so they can ghostwrite the rest of the story

thanks for reminding us that you still think the thing that you post literally every single day

>>24498796
fuck grey rats

>>24498909
real shit

>>24494890 (OP)
>The greyjoys were considered rape savages even in the middle ages

No wonder why they are this place's favorite house

The only way to save the series is for George to make every single schizo theory true and to double down on magic and higher fantasy stuff. It's the only way to break away from the show enough.

>>24498981
Our favourite houses are Codd, Manwoody and Beesbury though.

>Fire & Blood
>The Conquest Aegon is written like a wiki page. A myth written down afterwards by people who weren't there.
>Sons of the Dragon, Aenys and Maegor are written like a short story with a proper beginning, middle and end
>The Long Reign, Jaeherys is written like a character study inviting you to study the man
>Dance is written like a history book with messy sources, it's a puzzle to piece together
Which one was your favorite kind of writing? Do you want more of the same for F&B2 or do you hope Martin finds a different feel for the new generations?

>>24499202
I liked Dance the most because it actually names the sources which was fun. Figuring out all their biases and thrn filtering those through the writer's bias. It makes Dance worth revisiting while something like the Conquest was kinda boring to read. If you watch a summary of the Conquest on Youtube, you won't miss anything which I think is an indication of a boring book.

Then I liked Maegor because it felt like a more traditional story so you get more out of it.

>"I am dying, Sam." Tears ran from his blind white eyes at that admission. "Death should hold no fear for a man as old as me, but it does. Isn't that silly? It is always dark where I am, so why should I fear the darkness? Yet I cannot help but wonder what will follow, when the last warmth leaves my body. Will I feast forever in the Father's golden hall as the septons say? Will I talk with Egg again, find Dareon whole and happy, hear my sisters singing to their children? What if the horselords have the truth of it? Will I ride through the night sky forever on a stallion made of flame? Or must I return again to this vale of sorrow? Who can say, truly? Who has been beyond the wall of death to see? Only the wights, and we know what they are like. We know."

>>24499202
The fact of the matter is that redditanon still could not prove that Maegor was fairly maligned, it is all written as pure propaganda which is intentional for Martin. If we ever got the true story it would look a lot different and that's just the way the cookie crumbles.

new cope: He's going to Comicon to announce he's finished The Winds of Winter

>>24497779

if gurm had truly finished winds, then he wouldn't have had his meltdown last time about being reminded that he's a failed author for not finishing his main series

>>24498250
>>24498302
>>24498381

>>24498739
Ive been saying for 10 years to just let the man cook and I am so ready to be vindicated.

>>24498809
Dany is ready to make a clean sweep of Essos. When we pick up she'll be leading a dothraki horde on dragonback to Mereen, were she'll find two of the Ghiscsri sellsword companies fighting for her thanks to Tyrion, joining up with Barristan's knights and the Unsullied and a freshly arrived friendly fleet. The fleet takes her to Volantis where an all out slave uprising is already awaiting the sign of her ships to overthrow the city. From there the remaining free cities will offer no resistance. Except perhaps the Faceless Men.

>>24499202
I hope he'll find new modes to write, after the Dance is more or less the beginning of the 'modern era' of Westeros so you'd expect more sources to be available. It'd be fun to get into inter-maester rivlaries distorting the records or some other history nerd shit.

>>24499748
you're forgetting about somebody

>>24499784
he will be eaten by the dusky woman. it is known

>>24499213
I like history so it's fun to see the biases in fictional histories.
It's also fun to see how different religions or cultures are seen through their representatives, like Melisandre and Thoros.

>>24499784
>>24499870
It is known.

>>24498493
Maybe its cliche but Viserys being kept alive but kicked out and left a few books and some water to wander alone until something happens or he meets some group and then he slowly grows more honorable and noble might have been cool.

Oh wait this just jaime and cersei story, nevermind

How fucking hard is it to finish this shit show?
Fuck GRRM is such a retard for bloating the story with characters who make no sense to be in the endgame.

>>24498157
>Could she not see past his crimes like she saw through jamies?
For Jamie there is something to be see through his crimes - he regrets them, he knows that Kingslayer is not who he is, and not who he wants to be. Stannis hides behind "b-but I MUST be king" cope to stand behind all the fucked up shit he did and is going to do.

>Killing renly was for the good of the realm.
He could challenge him to a duel. He could meet him on the field of battle. Make him yield and take his birthright honorably.
>"No time no men it HAD to be done that way!"
Then how is he different from Varys the eunuch? Legitimacy? Varys' pretenders have the legitimacy of T*rg blood, Stannis' claim is by rebellion - and even that not his own, but his brother's.

For the record I like Stannis, but we're examining him from the position of honor and human decency, not based department metrics.

>>24500165
>and even that not his own, but his brother's
You just know that it's this part and not the supposed illegitimacy that would send Stannis into an autistic meltdown. He spent all of his life fucking seething at Robert for effortlessly succeeding in what took Stannis insane hard work and suffering, and then failing miserably in what Stannis could do effortlessly. He hates Robert not only for how he rallied men and inspired loyalty without a second though while Stannis has to bend himself into knots to get anyone above a smuggler to put the faith in him, but also for Robert not pushing himself and working hard to become a better king when he find out that he's originally bad at it.

Stannis casts long shadows over everyone, but it's Robert's shadow that he can't crawl out of.

>>24496380
I'm fucking both of them. Hard. Blondes just get me going. The green eyes are just icing on the cake...ugh..Now the artist just has to use Renee as a template for Joanna Lannister...

i want to have babies with aunt genna

>>24499748
NorvosCHADS would fight and the Bearded God would descend to cut dragons' heads with his axe.

>>24499999
Just checkin' these bad boys.

what’s the deal with post-dragon targs being exaggerated, great warriors, leaders, and generals that would not look out of place in Romance of the Three Kingdoms, compared with their dragon having predecessors who basically peaked with Aegon and went on a downward spiral from him?

>>24500786
they had to compensate for not having the dragon card as an answer to everything by improving their other skills

>>24500511
>lannister w*man
they won't be your babies

>>24500786
dragons drain your soul and make you worse at everything
Aegon and Maegor weren't affected because they were already reptilized beyond humanity, but the Rhaenysid line was too human (because Aenys wasn't actually Aegon's) to tank it

>makes trannies seethe and kills all the Reddit dragons
Based as fuck?

>oldtown bad because Christianity in real life is bad (they make me feel bad for being gay) but demon worship and human sacrifice is good actually

I actually like the dragons.

>>24500953
Lame ahh nih

>>24500941
>atheist in real life
>diehard supporter of the Faith when it comes to ASOIAF lore
'ate human sacrifice
'ate lizard people

simple as

>Oldtown niggers trying to deflect and strawman
Why is this such a common occurence? Is it because they worship Israel? Food for thought!

>>24500892
don't care i am plowing until the cows come home

>>24500165
There's no way Renly would accept a duel. Renly had overwhelming numbers, knew it, and wasn't going to put it to chance.

>>24501091
>Group of incestuous race supremacist demon worshipping diaspora colonize other cultures native land through terrorism and genocide
>beleive they are the chosen people with a divine right to rule over lesser races of men
From my point of view targs are Israel

Maesters won.
Hightowers won.
Andals won.
Faith of the Seven won.
Knights won.

Targaryens lost.
Lizards lost.
Magic lost.

>>24499643
>the onion cursor
Soulful

>>24501144
Trvke that leveled Valyria.

>>24501144
>suffer every neurosis in the book as a result of continuous inbreeding
Checks out.

>>24501144
Targs are americans. Oldtown wants a good puppet on the throne (president) for easy control.

>>24498250
Don't forget
> Yes, I should have come sooner. If not for my Hand, I might not have come at all.

>>24498521
JonCon may have been a late addition to the story because I think he is otherwise very narrow minded and too set only on Rhaegar's son. If he was actually that fond of Rhaegar he would have at least tried to rescue his younger siblings. They all look just like him and apparently also have his interests (Viserys and Dany like reading books, Dany has prophecy autism)

Do you find GRRM portrayal of ugliness brutal and realistic? As an ugly dude, reading tyrion's and brienne chapters hurts.

if you think about it joffrey and viserys are kinda like the same character

i'm just gonna leave this here

If you think about it, Arya Stark, Lyanna Stark, Asha Greyjoy, Val, Ygritte, Mya Stone, Aerea Targaryen, Rhaena Targaryen, Rhaenys Targaryen, Visensya Targaryen, Alyssa Farman, Sabitha Frey, Black aly Blackwood, Dacey and lyanna Mormont, Meera Reed, Nettles, Osha, and Rhea Royce are all the same character

>>24501574
Also baela Targaryen, nymeria, brienne, and Alys Karstark

>>24501590
And obara and sarella sand

>>24501349
I wouldn’t know, I’m beautiful.

>>24499784
>shows up in the battle of fire
>blows dragonbinder horn because "i've got fire in me now. i'll be fine"
>dies
>viserion flies away
>"hm he's going west"
>meanwhile, in the battle of blood
>euron causes as much bloodshed as possible, ships literally filled with blood splitting open
>the seas literally turn red
>krakens rise from the deep
>they seem to be following euron's commands
>destroys the redwyne fleet
>sails for oldtown
>"pfft euron has no ships left, we'll destroy him"
>viserion shows up in oldtown
>immediate surrender
>euron plunders the citadel for lore
>burns oldtown down afterwards anyway
Love me magic pirates. Simple as.

>>24501574
Viserys and Joffrey as well

>>24501574
>Visensya

>>24501623
>horn blown
>Viserion goes to Euron and burns shit
>Dany finds the horn and has Drogon and Rhaegal melt it
>Viserion snaps out of it
>Euron ohfucks before being eaten

>>24501603
how does it feel?

>>24501623
>burns oldtown down afterwards anyway
Big if true

>>24501820
Pretty good I guess

>I wouldn’t know, I’m beautiful.

>>24501574
>Arya Stark, Asha Greyjoy, Val, Ygritte, Rhaena Targaryen, Rhaenys Targaryen, Visenya Targaryen, lyanna Mormont
none of these would elope with rhaegar

>>24501623
Sorry but Sam is going to noscope Euron from atop the Hightower with a weirdwood arrow right through the open visor of his Valyrian steel mail.

>>24501144
The biggest neurosis is how White people continuously project everything bad they ever did in history on the Jews because they can't handle the ancestral guilt without importing millions of immigrants and trooning out.
The Targs are very transparently an evil caricature of Europeans, they are written by a boomer liberal and have blond hair and red and black insignia like fascists.
It's actually kind of odd that liberals worship Dany and didn't realize this sooner

>>24501670
I actually think Joffrey and Vis are easier to differentiate than Asha and Ygritte

>>24499999
If Cat could return I wanted him to come back as a zombie with a gold hat

>>24501549
Joff is a lot more hateable than Viserys to me. Viserys suffered a lot and Joffrey was just a spoiled brat
It seems Joffrey's madness is a result of being spoiled while Viserys is the way he is due growing up in the medieval equivalent of the foster care system

>>24501939
Asha is smarter, more skeptical, more goal oriented and more diplomatic than Ygritte
Viserys and Joff are closer though I guess Viserys' cruelties usually had a point behind them and Joff was just a dickhead

>>24501956
I feel like Joff was more evil than Viserys despite being younger. I guess the idea behind Vis is that he gradually degraded into what he is while Joff started out a sociopath despite his better situation and that's scarier. Viserys is the fantasy version of a drug-addicted teenage single parent who sells her kid into prostitution, and Joff is the fantasy equivalent of the frat boy who beat another kid to death, roofied all his female classmates and then got his dad to buy his way out of going to jail
Joff is in a position of power and has no psychological excuse to be as sadistic as he is, and there's an additional creep factor to the idea that there's no way of stopping him, while the Viseryses of this world usually get what's coming to them

>>24501956
A lot of people say that Viserys would have acted like Joffrey if he got the crown, but I think he would have acted awful in his own special way

>>24501933
Ok JEW

>>24501985
You know I am right so you are throwing out the ad hominems. Dany is a Nazi allegory and you are going to rike it

>"Some truths are hard to hear. Robert was a . . . a good knight . . . chivalrous, brave . . . he spared my life, and the lives of many others . . . Prince Viserys was only a boy, it would have been years before he was fit to rule, and . . . forgive me, my queen, but you asked for truth . . . even as a child, your brother Viserys oft seemed to be his father's son, in ways that Rhaegar never did." - A Storm of Swords - Daenerys VI

viserys' coin landed wrong from the start

Dany is an allegory of Bill Clinton

>>24501995
Daenerys remembers him kinder as a kid in Darry's house and it seems very cruel to say that a scared child who is crying because his dad died is unstable
Even if Viserys was a Joffrey, it would be unwise to leave him to care for a newborn. Barristan just trying to justify being a bystander

Dany is an allegory of Daenero
the red and black insignia signifies the flag of Albania
This is known.

>>24501995
Vissy just needed a good spanking from a bisexual Chinese man such as myself. Same with Dany once she's a little older because I ain't Drogo.

>>24502017
The hell do Rhaegar and Vis mean then? Does Daenero have two cute crazy sistas?

>>24502017
The Jews, Antisemites, and schizos of this thread should listen to me, Daenerys is Trump

>>24501995
I had the impression he was intellectually disabled, possibly on the lower functioning end of the autism spectrum, rather than sociopathic like Joff or schizo like his father

Viserys is a weird character because he just lashes out at the world with confusion and violence, and sometimes it just seems random like what I see from lower-functioning autists I worked with. He also rocks himself back and forth, sniffs herbs to calm down and is a crybaby in between abusing Dany, which are stereotypical autistic behaviours. His tantrums get worse and worse when he is exposed to irritating stimuli which is also a hint, and he can't read the room as well as his much younger sister.

>>24502058
Viserys would be easier to manipulate, to continue, due to all these traits. On top of being cowardly, he seems very impressionable and easily trusts people who are nice to him

>>24501933
>White people continuously project everything bad they ever did in history on the Jews
If only.

In philosophy/occult (lot more overlap that one would think) there is this idea of duality, similar to the binary 0s and 1s of a computer, in this case between Matter and Spirit. The ancient world recognized that when a person died, even though there was still a physical body, "something" had left it which gave it animation: Spirit.
These ideas of matter and spirit underwent a drastic reversal during the Age of Enlightenment, whereas before the Spirit was given predominance, afterwards and increasingly so, the philosophy of Matter took its place. Fast forward to modern times, and now a huge number of people don't even believe in the spirit, and think it's "matter all the way down". Materialism and atheism. These ideas didn't just affect religion and philosophy, but politics too, it's no coincidence that we see the rise of democracy, socialism and communism in conjunction with the rise of materialistic ideologies.

The Undead in GoT is the epitome of materialistic political and cultural ideology. These are people in whom the spirit has DIED, they are just sacks of meat and bones and nothing else, devoted to the flesh and uncaring towards matters of the spirit. The Undead intended to destroy all governments and all history, tp replace it with an "ahistorical culture" as Oswald Spengler would say in his "Decline of the West". A culture where people just watch movies, fuck hundreds of people, have children by multiple fathers, do drugs, and then die.

There is a reason why leftist artwork is often so ugly, why leftists themselves are often so ugly. Obsessed with sex and the flesh, their go-to insult is to call someone a "virgin incel", because to a spiritual zombie, not having sex would be the worst insult ever. Just like how the Night King transforms infant babies into White Walkers, similarly do democrats and other materialists create new zombies by raping and molesting the young, and bombarding children (and adults) with sex and drugs, etc.
Democrats even protest just like zombies, they amass in the streets and just BEG to be run over, then turn into ravening monsters when you do run them over. Brainless, hence why they must devour brains of others.

>>24501349
Yeah I remember being hurt reading them as well. But both Brienne and Tyrion have something to compel others to like them, an actual strong and brave knight actually really clever and charming etc. Being ugly with no quality like that is a bit harder imo

>>24502283
"Ugly with no good qualities" is Chett.

So what's the reason for all these dead children? Natural causes? Bloodraven? Maester conspiracy?

>>24502339
Generational incest + more incest + bad luck + bad branch of the family tree + he liked to fuck and most likely had ADHD

>>24502225
He's off his meds again

>>24502355
>GRR Martin wasn't using symbolism and metaphor, he was actually writing about actual zombies!
oh my sweet summer child...

>>24502316
Chett always felt painfully close to me with his ugy face and cytic acne and everyone not liking him. I'm not an aggresive dickhead though at least

>>24501933
I non stop hear about this white guilt thing and the only time I ever see it is when someone is like "What we did to the Natives was fucked up. No we should not give land back." All you pansies know how to do is make up guys in your head and get terrified of them.

if Viserys III was born during the Dance period, who would he take after?

viserys II or Aegon II Chud?

>>24494890 (OP)
You think his parentage will be a nothing burger like the show?

I think it coming out after being crowned KITN could lead to some interesting drama especially if the other Starks start trickling back. Think only him and a few others knowing is pretty lame especially since GRRM touts it as one of the "great mysteries" of the series.

how would make it work /lit/?

>>24502527
I think Viserys would be on the Greens but a pretty shitty would-be-usurper who wants to overthrow Aegon put himself in charge and marry Rhaenyra/her daughters. Overall I think he is less inclined to do battles and have a dragon devour a woman Targaryen

>>24502539
Somehow this fucking image made me realize how much of a hat on a hat it would be for the Returned-from-Death Wolf Warg King descending with his army of barbarians on the South to also be R+L=J

>>24502225
there's a passage in Hannah Arendt's book "The Human Condition" where she talks about how the ancient Greeks viewed anyone who was not actively involved in politics (which was usually at the local city-state level) as "dead".
Given that so much of GoT speaks of the tension between the elite and the masses (the slaves, the peasants, all the people *not* playing "the Game"), the undead could be construed as some form of democratic uprising/peasant rebellion.

Dani said she wanted to "break the Wheel", the wheel in this sense being aristocratic oppression of the masses, but she wasn't entirely serious since she never actually gave up her own power. There's a scene in the final battle with the undead where Bran is sitting in his wheel chair, sideways, oddly facing the wrong direction from where the action is. The "Wheel" chair being very visible. It must be remember that Bran is the Three Eyed Raven, the embodiment of History, he *IS* the Wheel that Dani was talking about, the wheel that the Night King wants to destroy, which would result in the end of all the great and minor houses, the end of the Game, and ushering in democracy and the mindless conformism that comes with it (just go to Reddit or any liberal forum to see the hivemind groupthink they engage in)

>>24502574
nigga break the wheel is from the gay tv show

Is Stannis autistic?

>>24502917
Yes I'd say so, whether George intended that or not is unknown. However Stannis being a rightous autist and even handed in his dealings with everyone is not enough to make him a good king. He's still doomed to die, probably at Winterfell fighting the White Walkers and the dead, he'll win aganist the Boltons for sure but all the kings from the war of the five kings are going to die, and he's the last one to go.

>>24503233
>righteous
>bends his morals immediately for some ginger pussy
lol

>>24503251
Sounds autistic to me.

I had a dream yesterday about being Robert and striking Rhaegar's chest with a warhammer at the Trident

Gods I was strong then

>>24503777
Holy sevens

>>24503777
Based jock destroying faggots

>>24503777
literally blessed post, praise the Seven

>>24501933
go away kike, there's no foreskin for you

>>24502554
yeah, it's kind of too much
If I was George, I'd never reveal him being a Targ at all. I'd make some subtle nods and that's it

Kike, kike, it rhymes with Mike.

>>24501146
>Still believes Oldtown is anti-magic.
>While they are living in a fucking wizard tower.
>As do the Hightowers, including a hermit wizard.

>>24503777
Sevens blessing

>>24504254
>lighthouses are magic
Typical first sissy.

Does George really write with all this in mind? I doubt it.

>>24504319
>Does George really write

Daenerys will go to Old Town and fight with Euron there they'll battle and Daenerys will regain control of one of her dragons he tried to steal then destroy her with the help of Sam. Old Town used to be fairly pro-Targaryen so no doubt she'll find a lot of support and loyalty there, and it's here where Daenerys and whatever Dothraki she has left will secure her ships needed to sail across to Westeros finally.

>>24504450
who will she fuck in Old Town?

>>24504665
Town, town. It rhymes with brown.
Brown water.

It’s kind of weird that people call Dany a whore when she’s only fucked three people and was married to two of them. She’s more pure than 99% of modern women.

>>24504722
She's 99% of modern women. Girls don't really like to sleep with men they have no connection to unless they are mentally ill and hate themselves; one night stands carry a lot of physical risks for women

>>24504722
>only counting the men

>>24504733
Girls don’t count. Irri may as well be a toy.

>>24504731
Most women nowadays are mentally and hate themselves.

How did primitive first men build some of the greatest castles in the realm (winterfell, storm's end, casterly rock)?

>>24504971
They didn't.
>Winterfell
It's less one great castle and instead a giant complex of them. You wouldn't say "wow, look at the best high-speed train in the world" and it's a bunch of cars glued together end to end.
>Storm's End
The gods did it.
>Casterly Rock
Natural formation, the F*rst Men simply dug into it like burrowing insects.

>>24504971
Also Highgarden and Sunspear and maybe Riverrun. In fact, the Eyrie might be the only Andal built major castle.

Highgarden is built of oily black stone(Margery Tyrell's stool)

What the FUCK is the point of Visionary? For blind retards? People who can only move a total of 30 seconds the entire match so they need to path directly to generators without exploring the map?

>>24504665
>>24504716
"Brown" Waters, hinted to be yet an other bastard of Robert, borne to an unnamed Summer Islander whore (Chataya perhaps??), hence the moniker "brown", like Ben Plumm's.
He is in Oldtown to study, having slipped through Cersei's hands.
Dany's womb will be quickened by the seed of Robert's son. It is quite poetic and best of all: It is known.

>>24504722
it's not her body count that makes her whorish. we see inside her head and thus know how kuch she thinks about sex and how promiscuous she is, and that indecent behaviour is what makes her whorish

>>24505378
what /vg/ thread did you mean to post this to?

>get isekai’d to Westeros during the dance
>but you have supernatural abilities that all correspond to the Seven, and they increase in strength over time

what do you do?

>>24505527
beast on them niggas

>>24505527
Become head of the faith of the seven. Then through theologic mental gymnastics I justify creating my palace on Lys. I impregnate all the valyrian girls I like. Maybe import some big booty Essosi girls too. Definitely importing westerland blondies as well. All while eating like Illyrio.

Started Armageddon Rag. I think this scene is talking about Martin himself:

>He pulled one from the fridge, opened it, and ascended wearily to his third-floor office to face the stack of blank paper he was supposedly turning into a book. Once again, the elves had failed to knock off any chapters in his absence; page thirty seven was still in his typewriter. You just couldn't get good elves anymore, Sandy thought morosely. He stared at the words with disdain, took a swig form the bottle in his hand, and looked around for a distraction.

>>24496888
How can people hate on AFFC so much when it is at least sombre but comfy, while ADWD is genuinely just boring at best and bad at worst

>>24499218
>Egg? I dreamed I was old...

>>24499218
>Aemon died pitying a traitor who renounced the Watch the second he was out of Jon's sight
literally the only good Targ, he was too pure for this world

>>24506031
Duncan the Small?

>>24505997
>How can people hate on AFFC
Because it's the reason you're never getting TWOW and ADOS.

what's the stupidest theory people actually believe

>>24506328
R+L=J

>>24506347
>theory

>>24506389
words are wind

>>24506328
There used to be actual Mance=Rhaegar supporters at least before ADWD.
In a similar vein, "the three Tower of Joy Kingsguard are still alive and posing as Night's Watch members/wildlings" (Order of the Green Hand had Mance=Arthur, Qhorin=Oswell and Tormund=Gerold).

>>24506451
>Order of the Green Hand
what happened to these guys?

>>24506389
those idiots wrote some of the dumbest shit ever shown on screen

>>24506508
I'm not sure. I think I heard they got divorced?
I know Secrets of the Citadel runs a fucking tarot reading channel now.

what do we think about Tyrone's neverending list of failures

>>24506894
90% of this list is nothingburgers or him removing Cersei's dumbass loyalists.

>>24506894
Dwarfbros...

TOTAL ICE ELF AND FIRE ELF DEATH

>>24506894
Is there any passage that shows Jaime thinking he is the best swordsman in the realm? I don't remember. He is canonically very good though, that's not just in his head.

Didn't even read the rest.

Rest, rest.
It rhymes with lest.

>>24507709
>She is stronger than I am.

>The realization chilled him. Robert had been stronger than him, to be sure. The White Bull Gerold Hightower as well, in his heyday, and Ser Arthur Dayne. Amongst the living, Greatjon Umber was stronger, Strongboar of Crakehall most likely, both Cleganes for a certainty. The Mountain's strength was like nothing human. It did not matter. With speed and skill, Jaime could beat them all. But this was a woman. A huge cow of a woman, to be sure, but even so . . . by rights, she should be the one wearing down.

>Instead she forced him back into the brook again, shouting, "Yield! Throw down the sword!"

>>24507709
>Is there any passage that shows Jaime thinking he is the best swordsman in the realm?
I do distinctly remember Jaime never tooting his own horn, as he's even tired of other people doing it for him.

>>24506894
>following mistakes
Absolutely directionbrained 85 IQ plebbitor. Why the fuck would promoting the "Lannister interest" would be beneficial to Tyrion when Lannisters being top dogs is when both him and the entire realm are at their most miserable?

>he only ever won a battle against his own freaking bannermen at Summerhall
Summerhall was three battles in one day, and Robert won all three of them. Turning Ashford from a certain end for the entire rebellion into a minor setback showed that he actually knows what he's doing even when odds are not in his favor. He also won the Battle of the Bells and the goddamn Trident.

What does he know?

>>24508061
>what doesn't he?

>>24508061
So you don't know

i am rereading the jon beyond the wall arc and the wildling logistics makes zero sense to me

1. they pass many empty villages on the way to craster, one empty village, whitetree, has 4 households in total

2. there are no noteable wildling settlements mentioned ever in asoiaf except hardhome which was apparently on the way to becoming the only city north of the wall

3. the wildling settlement that bran and company pass on the way to the cave mentions a longhall around a frozen lake - the dimensions are not mentioned so maybe this may be one of the larger wildling settlements

3. varamyr was also brought up in a sort of isolated community before being kicked out

4. when varamyr attempts takeover of the spearwife, the settlement is also mentioned as limited

so my question is where do these hundred thousand wildling reside? i get thenn is some sort of a functioning community, but the rest make little logic, especially combined with the wonky weather patterns in planetos and the long winters, isolated wildling communities should be the exception not the norm

>>24508061
patchface knows exactly how many licks it takes to get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop

>>24508585
Things like scale, logistics, agriculture, and the actions of the common folk are not considered by GURM. Why spend time thinking about boring things like crops and winter storage when you can write about a character having diarrhea again?

>>24501995
Barristan is a sanctimonious faggot who enabled the worst human being in existence only to then pretend he didn't know all along it was a bad thing to do. Viserys should've been the least of his concerns.

if you became a ruling Targaryen monarch, what would you do to be a worse king than Aegon IV?

>>24503251
>bends his morals immediately for some ginger pussy
He never did. Renly paid for his treason.
>It has always been so. I am not . . . I am not a cruel man, Ser Davos. You know me. Have known me long. This is not my decree. It has always been so, since Aegon's day and before. Daemon Blackfyre, the brothers Toyne, the Vulture King, Grand Maester Hareth . . . traitors have always paid with their lives . . . even Rhaenyra Targaryen. She was daughter to one king and mother to two more, yet she died a traitor's death for trying to usurp her brother's crown. It is law. Law, Davos. Not cruelty.

>>24505230
Andal cope.

>>24505393
She's a gooner, nothing wrong with it.

>>24506031
Wrong Dareon.

>>24507952
Riverlands bros, we've been forgotten once again...

>>24507135
See how well that worked for him at his trial.

>>24508036
>Why the fuck would promoting the "Lannister interest" would be beneficial to Tyrion when Lannisters being top dogs is when both him and the entire realm are at their most miserable?
Lannisters being the top dogs is the only way Tyrion can be powerful and respected you dumb fuck.
>and the entire realm
When did he give a fuck about the realm?

>>24508666
>Things like scale, logistics, agriculture, and the actions of the common folk are not considered by GURM
Ironically he spends a lot of time writing about most of those things.
>Why spend time thinking about boring things like crops and winter storage when you can write about a character having diarrhea again?
Nevermind, you're retarded.

>>24498521
Illyrio would have told him that splitting them is better for safety and that they're well taken care of.
and his own task was Aegon.

how would you prepare for multi-year winters if you were warden of the north? some future knowledge is allowed
I was thinking on conquering Pentos, giving it to Braavos to manage, and just require a food/money tribute

>>24508738
Do i get dragons?

>>24508848
Just move south

>>24508738
introduce serfdom
invade Essos
change religion to fire god and start human sacrifices

>>24508739
if law dictates morality, then why aren't lawyers the priests

>>24508848
build ships and raid

>>24509038
i'd try to avoid strategies that make the other Westerosi want to genocide me
and yes, I would genocide the iron born in a second
fuckin' hate slavers

>>24508061
>casually sings and jangles about tragedy that has yet to transpire
>casually
Hilarious character.

>>24508800
Don't get triggered when someone points out Martin's sloppy world building

Crazy how grrm made one of the most revolutionary female characters in media and then made her fall victim to the oldest sexist trope in literature. Based?

>>24508924
Yes

>>24494890 (OP)

His female characters have no female voice at all. Catelyn sounds like a more cowardly Ned. Sansa sounds like a boy in a dress. Infact most of the female pov chapters are third person description heavy without dwelving too much into the characters thoughts

>>24509215
>Catelyn sounds like a more cowardly Ned.
Did Ned spend a lot of time thinking about women lot in life and childbirth and shit?
Sansa sounds like a boy in a dress.
How so? She's frustrated and afraid in most her chapters.

>>24509163
>made her fall victim to the oldest sexist trope in literature
which is?

>>24501349
i play vidya to escape this ugly world so i don't like coming across ugly things.
good thing i watched the show before reading the books so i can't imagine how ugly they are since i see the actors only.

>>24501988
>Dany is a Nazi allegory
she has a multiracial and multicultural army at her back. in addition to mercenaries.
if anything, she's globohomo incarnate.

>>24509355
Waffen SS was the most ethnically diverse army of its time.

>>24502917
wtf
i need to know what are the other symptoms of autism. i might most likely be one.
autists sound more and more like level headed, good and based people the more i learn about their condition desu.
>isn't affected by propaganda
>just
>empathetic
>pours oneself into the things he finds interesting

>>24509377
are we dropping the Aryan talking point from the Nazi agenda now?

>>24509283
woman going crazy trope

>>24509391
js

>>24509409
crazy male characters are a lot more common in literature than crazy female characters

>>24509038
>tfw bannerlord will never be good
why even live?

>>24509349
>i see the actors only
Lame

>The 1st season of 'A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms' is undergoing reshoots in Belfast, Northern Ireland.

OH NO NO NO

>>24509391
>are we dropping the Aryan talking point from the Nazi agenda now?
They drop it, pick it back up, then drop it again and again at their own leisure. It's rather confusing. It's as if they want to reel in more people to their beliefs. But they have to compromise on those beliefs...Until they decide not to.

>>24509821
I bet they had to reshoot the entire tourney because George noticed the Targaryen sigil in the background had four legs instead of two

>>24498521
>You're telling me JonCon knew that Viserys, Dany, AND Aegon were all alive but only cared about Rhaegar's son for twelve whole years?

fAegon is the legal heir, Viserys and then Daenerys come after him the line of succession.

>>24508800
>>Things like scale, logistics, agriculture, and the actions of the common folk are not considered by GURM
>Ironically he spends a lot of time writing about most of those things.

Yes but the anon was talking specifically about wildling logistics and their lifestyle, where Gurm presents them as virtual cavemen despite being on contact with more advanced cultures for generations.

>>24509215
Dany is very female, the way she’s constantly fantasizing about big juicy cocks and being raped all the time

Time, time.
It rhymes with rhyme.

>>24509821
Source or FAKE NEWS

>>24510786
https://x.com/housethedragons/status/1939760829076803747

Dany's ritual at the end of GoT that created the dragons makes no sense to me. The way she concluded that she has to do it is an asspull.
>this witch needed to sacrifice a life to preserve a life, so surely if I kill a bunch of people I can awaken dragons

Seems like a non-sequitur to me.

>>24511055
>The way she concluded that she has to do it is an asspull.
she did magic, yes.

>>24511055
i mean if the rule is a life for a life then surely you can do a lot more powerful things if you got a bunch of lives.
Its been a while since i've read the books but I thought only the witch,a horse, and drogo was burned on the pyre. Oh yeah and then she was also in teh fire.
Wait how did she survive the magic blood ritual fire pyre? Was there some other blood sacrifice that kept her alive or what was going on there? She's not immune to fire like in the gay show but how what part of the magical ritual gave her immunity for this?

the reptilian win buttons should have never been in this story

dinosaurs are cool
Swords are cool
Knights are cool
Kings are cool
Fire witches and wizards are cool
and just cuz some dumb reddit and twitter hoes decided to be gay and cringe about it doesn't mean that mofuckin dragons are NOT cool

>>24501933
The issue is that jews dont own up to any of the bad shit they do/did
Look at the atlantic slave trade
Palestina/Iran/Lebanon

I JUST DISCOVERED THAT I DON'T HAVE THE SEPTANYRA PIC!!!
PLEASE POST IT!

>>24509215
>without dwelving too much into the characters thoughts
i just want henry james writing my fantasy pulp fiction, bro

>>24510695
>Dany is very female, the way she’s constantly fantasizing about big juicy cocks and being raped all the time
Brown KING Khal Drogo really ruined her, huh?

>>24511055
>>24511069
>>24511071
Dany didn't hatch the eggs. Mirri did. She chants whilst being set on fire. It's also the reason Dany survives entering the fire.

>>24511736
why would she sacrifice herself for Dany's cause?

>>24511827
She didn't. She wanted to hatch the eggs, which was probably the reason she came upon Danny in the first place, so it was her last ditch effort.

Another theory is that she also cast a spell that made her immune to the flames, and Danny stole it when she joined her.

>>24511872
>She wanted to hatch the eggs, which was probably the reason she came upon Danny in the first place,
>so it was her last ditch effort.
this part. why would she spend her dying breath helping Dany?
Dany would have just slit her throat or tied Mirri to her horse on the road even if Mirri came out of the pyre unscathed.

>>24511073
dragons can be cool.
however, the dragons/targaryens are the worst part of ASOIAF by far.

>>24511954
i wont lie to you i have only ever read the main series and there was only ever the like, 5 targs in it and one of them is still a snow and the other is probably a blackfire which leaves the only actual targ as of right now being the dragon lady.
Point being, I dont see the issue with the targs and dragons

>>24509821
It’s because they didn’t have a “White Walker” tie-in so they’re fixing that now.

>>24511962
>the only actual targ as of right now being the dragon lady.
yeah, and she's the worst character/storyline

>>24511954
>however, the dragons/targaryens are the worst part of ASOIAF by far.
>doesn't elaborate
nigger spotted

>>24512162
Bran, Arya and Sansa are all worse. Stop kidding yourself.

>>24512304
sansa is the best character

>>24512069
>White Walker
Fucking gross. Early sign of DnD retardation. Yeah just shit out a name that reminds /tv/ normies of the Walking Dead and miss the point of The Others.

STANNIS WON

https://www.powermag.com/google-signs-deal-to-buy-fusion-energy-from-future-virginia-plant/

If Google can preorder Nuclear Fusion that won't be here until 2039 at the earliest, preorders should be opening up for The Winds of Winter soon

>>24512709
The term white walker is used 12 times in the books starting with Tyrion's 3rd chapter in AGOT.

>>24512772
... the losing contest

new
>>24512890
>>24512890
>>24512890
>>24512890

>>24511069
That wasn't my criticism. My problem is that her figuring out a magical ritual just because Mirri killed a horse is ridiculous.