Thread 24501732 - /lit/ [Archived: 705 hours ago]

Anonymous
6/28/2025, 12:50:16 AM No.24501732
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If God is omniscient, and thus knows all future choices, how does this knowledge reconcile with human free will and our ability to genuinely interact with and respond to God? Any Books about that simple concept?
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Anonymous
6/28/2025, 12:52:44 AM No.24501737
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>>24501732 (OP)
Classical theologians and philosophers, like Augustine and Thomas Aquinas, generally affirm both God's exhaustive foreknowledge and human free will. They are often categorized as theological compatibilists, meaning they believe free will is compatible with determinism (or in this case, divine foreknowledge, which implies a fixed future).
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Anonymous
6/28/2025, 12:52:55 AM No.24501739
>>24501732 (OP)
Thomas Aquanis
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 1:02:48 AM No.24501758
>>24501732 (OP)
It's just illusion from extreme coping or mental illness, you won't find an objective answer
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 1:29:22 AM No.24501815
>>24501732 (OP)
God is outside of time, bro.
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 1:29:45 AM No.24501818
When I was religious I simply understood it as God being so intelligent and advanced beyond humans he could predict everything that would happen to the human race upon Adam & Eve's first sin. God's "divine plan" includes the general trajectory of human civilization and defeat of Satan at judgement day but but individual souls choose salvation or not is not known to God directly. Might be heretical or whatever but I didn't really care.
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Anonymous
6/28/2025, 1:36:09 AM No.24501832
>>24501732 (OP)
Another jeet thread trying to sneak by for spamming AI threads by inserting a "is there a book about this" question lazily tossed in. Don't reply to this faggot until he cuts this shit out.
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Anonymous
6/28/2025, 1:48:03 AM No.24501854
>>24501732 (OP)
Are you ban evading again
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Anonymous
6/28/2025, 1:50:39 AM No.24501862
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>>24501818
>individual souls choose salvation or not is not known to God directly
God is activly choosing that too, you misreaded the bible
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 1:51:41 AM No.24501864
>>24501832
>>24501854
nothing personal kid but you should kill yourself
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 2:17:32 AM No.24501927
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>>24501732 (OP)
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 2:33:42 AM No.24501952
>>24501737
Yeah, but HOW is free will compatible with divine foreknowledge? I don't think it's possible, logically. I've never read an answer that wasn't mental gymnastics or theological worldbuilding. Like, if you're going to believe anyway, and you just need to assure yourself that we have a general, momentary experience of agency, then sure; but if you really want to say that bona fide real-deal free will is compatible with divine foreknowledge, you're lying to yourself. The consequence of omnipotent foreknowledge is fatalism.
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Anonymous
6/28/2025, 2:36:03 AM No.24501957
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>>24501952
> I don't think it's possible
God knows everything that will happen, including all future human choices.
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 2:38:58 AM No.24501960
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>>24501952
>Yeah, but HOW is free will compatible with divine foreknowledge?
Free will choices are already made. Humans are here to understand the how and why of their choices.
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 2:41:54 AM No.24501964
>>24501952
>how can i free will if my choices are already determined?!?!
Me brudda the choices are determined by you.
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 3:35:56 AM No.24502069
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>>24501732 (OP)
I create a question thread on /lit/ during American hours

I know to a certainty that at least one person will respond "my diary desu" and something involving black men and their penises

Does this mean those anons did not choose to be faggots?
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 3:39:12 AM No.24502077
>>24501732 (OP)
because its not that simple, dumbass.
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 3:58:18 AM No.24502118
>>24501732 (OP)
>If God is omniscient, and thus knows all future choices
Nope, that doesn’t follow. Omniscience is knowing all that there is to know. The future does not exist now, therefore it has nothing that can be known. This doesn’t mean God is lacking any knowledge. God has all the knowledge that exists.

When God says that He will do something, that’s a declaration of His intent to do something later, not Him saying “hey so I’ve looked ahead on the timeline and it seems that I end up doing so-and-so…”

Stop imagining time as a dimension. Time is our perception of the rate of change in present things. Nothing literally exists in “the past” or “the future,” those places do not exist.
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Anonymous
6/28/2025, 4:08:55 AM No.24502129
>>24502118
>book
Thought this was /his/ for a sec… a relevant book is “Time and Eternity: Exploring God’s Relationship to Time” by William Lane Craig, or a short paper on time (non-theological context) called “The Unreality of Time” by J.M.E. McTaggart
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 4:27:14 AM No.24502153
Dos this mean that in Christianity, God creates certain humans knowing that they will burn in hell for ever?
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Anonymous
6/28/2025, 4:28:29 AM No.24502156
>>24502153
Only in Calvinism