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>>24496895

>Thread Question:
Who are your favorite mothers within Science Fiction and Fantasy?

Do I download this anon's slop from /wg/?

>>24499227
>>24499227

>>24501975 (OP)
mommy victra

>>24502019
I remember when he posted some WIP shit here but I missed whenever he released it. I'll read it

>>24501975 (OP)
Rare good Red Rising fanart.

Any anons have other ones. Most of the art in this fandom is fucking garbage

All of this reddit rising posting makes me think an announcement is on the way

>>24502060
i hope so desu

>>24502019
No, its really bad
T. Didn't read a single word

2025 NetGalley.com Community Update
https://insights.netgalley.com/2025-netgalley-com-community-update/

NetGalley is one of the main places to get free unreleased upcoming books.

Male: 12%
Age: 35+, ~78%

I wonder how representative this is of the contemporary reader in general. I've gotten various books there and maybe that's why it was so easy for me. Males are in relatively short supply.

>>24502060
As far as I know the only news is that we're still like a year out from Red God based off social media posts from Pierce.

I've just consumed a quesadilla, half a cheeseburger, and some fries. It is now time for me to retire to my chamber and get comfy. I have 100 pages left in Mad Ship and I shall finish it tonight! TONIGHT, YOU HEAR?! Dont even think about trying to stop me!!

I wonder if reading at size 1 font on the ol' e-reader is going to help or hinder my future vision.

>>24502202
That's idiotic. Why would you do that?

>>24502210
More words per screen.

>>24502202
I'm the same way but I've been doing this for years and my eye sight is just fine

>>24502252
AHHH damnit you fucking piece of shit why did it post the picture sideways ffs

>>24502047
Somebody posted some absolutely kino art of Cassius but I didn't save it.

>>24502237
So that you can speedread better?

>>24502272
this is the only Cassius I've seen recently

>>24502252
your ereader just has retarded font settings (i guess it's a kindle?)
it looks about the same as font size 13-14 on my device with KOreader installed

>>24502293
yeah its a Paperwhite Signature that I have on perma airplane mode, thats kind of insane theres that much of a font size difference if you install KOreader I always thought it was a waste of time but now you've got me curious if I could use it to fix AZW3 files (usually just use mobi) having weird ass spacing in between each sentence and an ugly forced font

Just finished God Emperor of Dune and was reading discussion online and I honestly thought the pacing was fairly normal? If anything, it feels as if there is little time to breathe as you are constantly being shown evolving potential breakpoints for the empire that, on their own, would be manageable, but together have you worried that everything is about to fall apart. Especially at the midpoint when Hwi arrives and literally everything reacts negatively from her presence.

If anything I would have appreciated more rumination since I'm still sort of vague on the Golden Path and the deeper things Herbert could be trying to say with this book. Granted, my thoughts on the pacing are bound to be skewed since I returned to these books as a break from book 3 of War and Peace, which has had truly slow pacing since the war picked up.

Still stewing on the book myself but my initial reaction is that I think I enjoyed Children of Dune more and that the general population greatly overrates the weirdness of this book due to the fact that Leto is a fat ugly worm

>>24502332
Koreader has a whole "style tweaks" menu where you can fuck with lots of book specific css stuff including options to ignore publisher fonts/styles/sizes/line spacings.
You can also fix those things in calibre's editor but it's a lot more work.

>>24502293
Glad you could bake it, Uther.

>>24502358
hmm interesting thanks for the info i might mess around with installing it tomorrow and play around with it

>Muh tablet specifically for ereadan
Just install the Nook/Kindle apps on your fucking phone, lmao.

>>24502272
describe it

>>24502503
I wonder if you realize how retarded of a statement that is?

>>24502503
>Just read on a completely different piece of technology
What a fucking retarded statement from a dogshit newfag phoneposter.

>>24502511
>>24502518
Butthurt sameniggerin'

>>24502511
>>24502518
You don't need a kindle or a nook you utter FAGGOT, lmao.

>>24502523
>>24502525
Butthurt sameniggerin'

>>24502528
>no u!
Absolutely PATHETIC

is this bakkerfag having a fit
we know he only reads one book series

>>24502537
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>24502518
man belligerent and dumb is quite the rough combo to embody, kind of feel bad for you now desu

>>24502533
im no horsefag but thats a nice art style

>>24502533
An anime style adaption of red riding is the only way a

>>24502543
ah shit wait wrong anon tagged my b i meant it for this retard >>24502528 >>24502523 >>24502503

Kill all animniggers

>>24502575
>>24502533
pressed enter too early, an anime adaption is the only way there can be a good red rising adaption

>>24502578
What does ANY of that have to do with Bakker nigger? Dipshit.

>>24502582
huh the fuck are you on about i have nothing to do with that post about bakker???

>>24502592
Huh? What? You retards are confusing.

>>24502595
Again what do any of my posts have to do with the guy who made the post about the lack of Bakkerfag? Take your fucking meds and piss off.

>>24502596
Next time, reply to the relevant post the FIRST time around, dipshit.

are we being raided

>>24502598
Next time don't make retarded assumptions, i still have no fucking clue how you think I have anything to do with >>24502537 when I replied to the people having a conversation about eReaders. Don't bother replying I'm not going to read it or respond again, fucking moron.

>>24502047
Here is some art featuring best dad in the series.
>>24502060
The author did say last week he's planning on announcing something in August but it looks like it might be a spin off or adaption news.

>>24502604
posting some other RR art

>>24502581
If I had any faith in modern Hollywood casting, I'd like to see it live action, but as it stands, you are correct.

>>24502601
Neck yourself nigga, yous straight up EMBARRASSIN'

>>24502604
lyria a cute

>>24502610
>>24502607
Yeah her POV chapters were some of the best. I enjoyed all of the new characters more than Darrow

>>24502604
>>24502610
Not that I mind but isn't Lyria described as brown/black? Could just be me being rusty and misremembering since its been about 2 years since I read the series.

>>24502617
I can't really remember either but official art has her looking brownish so you could be right

>>24502617
>>24502633
yeah. still a cute. i lowkey wish pierce let her keep her cool little omniscient powers.

>>24502601
I'm gonna kill your ass. Better watch ur back, u stinkey bich

>>24502545
more horsefu for us

>main character is a fucking idiot
what is your tolerance for this kind of thing?

>>24502666
the reader needs someone to relate to

>>24502650
Its just a simple matter of horse being outclassed in everyway by the true best girl, Victra

>>24502666
it depends on the story being told, like Flowers for Algernon it works extremely well but at the same time can be frustrating to read if handled by a weak author

>>24502672
Too many scars

>>24502678
Victra and Sevro just play rough, no need to kink shame

>>24502683
Too. Many. Scars.

>>24502678
not necessarily this is artwork from the fairyloot edition of Morning Star with similar scarring. Unless you're saying that as personal preference in which case im being autistic pulling this off my shelf and taking the picture lol

The fuck is with all this shitty ass art being posted? Is there no zoomers out there that can draw like Frazetta? Have we lost good fantasy art?
Another bad sff thread

>>24502705
i like the red rising art hour

>>24502705
Franzetta AI art will have to suffice. You must become the greatest prompter of it that exists.

>>24502147
A blessed night, enjoy the ride.
I'm nearly finished Rain Wild Chronicles my self.

>>24502705
if you think this is shitty ass art, seeing the shit that's on wikis and shit would kill you

>>24502720
I need to understand what this persons obsession is with making everyone grey and black on the wiki

>>24502685
Here have this horse from the Golden Son fairy loot edition

>>24502705
There was a kid in my elementary school that got in trouble for drawing nothing but dragons and naked big tittied women during class.

I wonder how he's doing now.

>>24502733
Why do you niggers keep saying horse?

>>24502730
Unfortunately, it comes down to which artist the wiki editors know, and among those, which artists are willing to give permission for their art to be used. This typically results in amateurish art getting posted, since amateurs are easier to get in contact with, and more willing to grant permission.

>>24502737
Virginia's nickname is Mustang, thats why.

actually good sff:
>The Time Machine
>Conan
>The Hobbit
>Titus Groan
>The Broken Sword
>The End of Eternity
>The Stars My Destination
>Solaris
>The Dragon Masters
>Dune
>Lord of Light
>A Wizard of Earthsea
>The Knight of the Swords
>Swords and Deviltry
>The Forever War
>The Deathbird
>The Deep
>Blind Voices
>Sandkings
>The Shadow of the Torturer
>Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind
>Fevre Dream
>Neuromancer
>Bridge of Birds
>Ender's Game
>Berserk
>Assassin's Apprentice
>A Game of Thrones
>The Darkness That Comes Before
>Black Leopard, Red Wolf
>Lovecraft
>Borges
>Dick
>The Oxford Book of Science Fiction
>The Oxford Book of Fantasy
>The Very Best of Fantasy and Science Fiction Sixtieth Anniversary Anthology

>Alien
>Blade Runner
>Conan the Barbarian
>The Road Warrior
>Akira
>Ghost in the Shell
>The Spine of Night

>The Twilight Zone
>Neon Genesis Evangelion
>Cowboy Bebop

>Fallout
>Planescape Torment
>Disco Elysium
>Elden Ring

>>24502730
It's really a troubling trend I've found in just about anything popular enough to have art. It could be the whitest character, described with the palest skin, and artists will still choose to make them brown for some reason. No matter how ridiculous it looks.

Like bro who is this

>>24502748
Ew I need to wash my eyes of that disgrace with this pretty nice portrait of Cassius from the Red Rising FL edition

>>24502748
I've seen similar stuff like this and I think retards actually think golds are literally gold.

>>24502744
>The Time Machine
>Titus Groan
>Sandkings
>Ender's Game
>Berserk
>A Game of Thrones
>Alien
>Planescape Torment
>Disco Elysium
>Elden Ring

All trash.

>>24502755
>>24502733
>>24502650
>>24502533
https://youtu.be/nY_GgPi5eCM

>>24502751
Cassius generally has the best art but that's cause he's a pretty boy and it attracts the people that do fan art (women)

>>24501126
Shit, I'm already done with Tuf Voyaging. Sandkings next.

Thanks again for the rec anon.

Fun fact, Mustang is named after a horse because she gets rode like one by every gold.

>>24502767
Canonically just two. Making Cassius and Darrow eskimo bros

>>24502766
>Sandkings
It's a shitty fucking GRRM short story about alien bugs in a petshop. It's fucking trash.

This is one of my favorites from these editions, Sevro in Morning Star

>In a future science fiction setting in space with high scifi technology, the weapon of choice is le blade
I'm fucking sick of this shit.

>>24502777
This is the best Sevro art I've seen. Almost makes me think he's not overrated.

>>24502777
I want to be a howler bros...
>>24502779
Only amongst the golds because they think they're ancient greek/roman wannabes. Everyone else uses guns.

>>24502774
And yet, I shall regardless...

>>24502779
Muad'Dib depopulated a thousand worlds, made ten thousand religions extinct and killed 90 billion people with sand zealots armed with nothing but knives dooooood!!!

>>24502781
>I want to be a howler bros...
Howlers have like a 90% death rate or some shit. I want to be a Gold Pixie
>>24502787
didn't he have nukes. like an absurd amount of nukes?

>>24502790
>didn't he have nukes. like an absurd amount of nukes?
No? Nukes are forbidden.

>>24502790
>I want to be a Gold Pixie
based hedonist

For the Obsidianbros here's Ragnar from Golden Son

>75% of thread is just some faggot posting OC drawings of characters from literal who novel no one cares about
Grim.

>>24502832
cry more faggot. You could contribute to the thread instead of whinging

>>24502844
I would, but you just keep derailing all conversation with your dumb cartoons.

>>24502851
nothing has been derailed, cry more

>>24502851
I'm the one posting the pics from these special editions not that guy and I'm almost done anyway. Just the covers then the main man himself.

>>24502832
does it really matter that we're posting art (both official and fan made) from one of the bigger ongoing sci-fi series when this general isn't ever particularly active at this time of the night/morning anyways

>>24502855
Stop. The art is shit and uninteresting and you've already fucked the entire thread with your fanboyism nonsense.

>>24502863
become a janny if you want to police the thread faggot

>>24502860
Yes.

>>24502867
Too bad.

>>24502863
Nope. Here's the leading man himself, Darrow from the front inside cover of the Red Rising Fairyloot Iron edition.

>>24502876
Looks like low rent anime shit, lmao.

>>24502855
I think the upcoming special edition release of red rising has a great cover. I hope the rest of the series get the same treatment.

>>24502877
Thanks for the (you) here's one in return

>>24502884
Damn that art looks really cool I might try and get my hands on it if its not a limited release/super expensive

>>24502897
I pre ordered it and it was £50. Expensive for a book but I'm a shelf fag so it'll look nice on my bookcase. Probably worth it if you're a big fan of the series.

Okay what the fuck is going on with this thread? Did some editor in charge of red rising pay a crew of pajeets on fiverr to spam this crap? Literally /lit/ and it's all fanart (a lot of reposts from past threads) and pictures of editions (also reposts) with basically no written content or engagement from other people, garnering no discussion. The whole fucking thread is a long ad for red rising. I have to think the anon who said some adaptation is incoming has to be right, this is desperate sort of shilling would even get called out in /v/. Jesus christ, /lit/ isn't even a fast enough board to even warrant or excuse it as bumping. Disgusting.

>>24502997
You got me. I'm shilling for a series on a dead thread with about 20 posters where people don't actually discuss books they read but just insult each others tastes. Lets do something better like calling Bakker shit for the 1000th time.

>>24503016
You got CAUGHT and CALLED OUT nigga, LMAO.

There never needs to be another /sffg/ thread after this one you guys. We had a good run, but it's about time we packed it up for good this time.

GG, EZ

>>24502997
The sudden Red Rising posting is strange. I noted it earlier. But didn't feel like bringing it up. Don't really know what to think about it. Could be shilling. Could just be a lost redditor.

>>24503045
Or maybe it's a popular recent series and the people in these threads prefer discussing it here rather than somewhere else. I'm not interested in it, but I don't mind seeing these threads having actual discussion. No need to be paranoid.

>>24503049
>2014
>Popular RECENT series
Disingenuous shill.

>>24503056
Whatever, don't forget to put on your tin foil hat.

>>24503049
I'm just noticing, and weighing the odds. I'm not going to discourage book discussion. But since the anon asked about the oddity, I figured I would let him know that I noticed it too.

>>24503056
I thought it was a new book too. It was being pushed on good reads, and somehow I got the impression that it was a new release. Though I can't tell you exactly what gave me that impression, as I'm not entirely sure.

>>24503056
erm actually the most recent book came out in 2023

>>24503045
Yeah it is strange, Red Rising is YA and poorly written.

>>24503068
That's almost two years ago now.

>>24503049
Its popular on reddit, it was never popular here until a few months ago.

>>24503072
more recent that Malazan or Bakker which are discussed here constantly.

>tfw a red rising, malazan, prince of nothing, lotr and even stormlight books 1-3 enjoyer
I just like fantasy books bros and talking about them. I'd say stop being miserable but then I remember where I am.

Ohnononono... Not like THIS RED RISISTERS!!! FRESH FROM r/redrising TOO!!!

>>24503080
based howler

>>24503083
>Howlers when the dick goes inside of them

>>24503074
Bakker has been constant for years now and for good reason. However, the Malazan posting is kinda new.

>>24503089
>good reason
Bakker is mid and full of extremely GAY shit.

>>24503090
If a story as large and detailed as the second apocalypse doesn't have any gay characters in it, then it is simply garbage. Simple as. Not even trying to be Woke. It's the truth. Ignoring basic realities of human nature completely destroys any Suspension of Disbelief.

>>24503090
>>24503137
I dont think theyre considered gay characters, the butt sex in it was more to prove dominance over someone than pleasure. Hence, there are no actual gay characters in the series.

Financial Times
Why is the right so fascinated with fantasy literature?

Italian prime minister Giorgia Meloni founded a conservative political conference named for a hero of a 1979 bestselling fantasy novel, used to cosplay as a hobbit, and in 2023 had a museum exhibition commissioned about JRR Tolkien. Peter Thiel leads a Silicon Valley trend of company names derived from The Lord of the Rings, from his own data intelligence group Palantir, to the weapons maker Anduril. JD Vance has said his conservatism was influenced by both Tolkien and CS Lewis. A fascination with fantasy literature unites European nationalist conservatives, Trump tech bros, and the Maga movement. Is this a coincidence? Or does something about fantasy fit the rightwing mind unusually well?

It is easy to see how medieval social hierarchy and essentialist racial categorisation appeal to reactionary world views. There's also the draw of the traditional and the ritualistic for those recoiling from modernity.

Fantasy represents less a return to a premodern idyll, then, than a fulfilment of the freedom the Enlightenment promised but social complexity took away.

>>24502505
it was this >>24502282

>The entire Tolkien canon is longer than all the Abrahamic holy books combined

Who the FUCK has the time for all this shit? I want to but damn it... I don't think I can.

>>24502876
Every piece of art you've posted from this edition is complete ass. It looks like some shitty Korean porn artist drew it. I remember almost buying it a while back and now I'm really glad I didn't.

>>24503211
>The entire Tolkien canon is longer than all the Abrahamic holy books combined
It's more worthwhile than all those books combined as well.

>>24502581
Most fantasy series are like that. Few studios are willing to provide the production value needed to do a fantasy series justice in live action

>>24502997
What's with this nigger seething every time someone talks about a series that isn't 60 years old or bakker

>>24503211
So don't.

>>24502737
She likes horsecock that's why

Jack Vance is king of both Fantasy and Sci-fi. All hail Jack Vance.

>>24502581
Nah, if The Expanse can work, so can Red Rising. Also, animation is inherently more limiting for audiences than live action. Sad, but true.

wish someone would mix detective fiction with fantastical elements

>>24503364
Unclear if ignorant or trolling/baiting. What do you think urban fantasy is? Also there's been multiple good ones recently that aren't even urban fantasy.

>>24503364
Jack Vance did it like 80 years ago

>>24503364
I read "The City and the City" semi-recently and it was pretty good. It even has a title drop at the end. I'm not sure how popular Mieville is on these boards though.

Is Red Rising actually good? All I know is it's YA and gets compared to Hunger Games a lot.

>>24502666
It depends if the character is an idiot or a selectively convenient idiot to drive the plot. Ignatius, in A Confederacy of Dunces, is an autistic buffoon but it works.

>>24503388
The City and The City was good. It was recommended to me as a good 'Disco Elysium' type book.

>>24503390
Yeah. First book is hunger games in space because the author had to do it due to the publisher being pushy. Once he got the contract deal, he threw that shit out of the window from book 2 onwards.

>>24503409
Grim

I want some cozy scifi

>>24503409
>due to the publisher being pushy.
To be fair book 1's structure is a significant driver of the series's success. so good advice from the publisher

>>24503390
It's not YA.

>>24503452
As a big fan of the series I'd argue the original trilogy fits the YA bill. I wouldn't call the sequel series YA though imo.

>>24503436
The Draco Tavern

>>24503456
The Sword of I'm A Big Guy For You (Bane)

Throne of Bones or The Worm Ouroboros first?

>>24502997
Red Rising? Huh, I've never heard of it before. You're the first post I've seen about it. I think I'll try it out based on your post. Thanks anon!

>>24503485
holy newfag

>>24503452
I would be shocked if it isn't shelved as YA, and even if it isn't, it is totally YA

>>24503452
>Hunger Games in Space
>Not YA

>Try to read Scott Card's prequel tie-in to his Ender's Game bug war
>Starts off from word ONE about shipbound young first cousins madly in love, raring to FUCK

Why are Mormons like this?

>>24503504
religiousfags tend to be hypersexual

what even defines YA anyway? I see conflicting stuff about it. Is it aimed at a young audience or does it have young characters?

>>24503483
Worm

>>24503364
read the Dresden Files lol, assuming you're asking genuinely.

>>24503522
For me its less about the subject matter and more about how the story is told. LIke you wouldn't call The Long Walk by Stephen King YA but you would absolutely classify The Hunger Games as YA even though they're conceptually similar.

>>24503524
>That opening chapter
"And it was all a DREAM" ending detected.

>>24503612
Baka the guy disappears from the story

>40 times more fucked up than DCC
>nobody read it

>>24503522
The prose and setting are aimed for a younger audience.

What's the implication of elf sex lore

>>24502503
>reading on a fucking telephone
no

>>24503799
Elves are so good at sex that it becomes addictive. If they do it more than once per month they risk permanently altering their brain from the pleasure overload and descending into eternal debauchery

>>24502122
>NetGalley is one of the main places to get free unreleased upcoming books.
The ones available for "free" are all shit. The good ones are reserved journalists, influencers, and other media-brained faggots.

>>24502356
>I honestly thought the pacing was fairly normal?
Why do faggots phrase definitive statements as questions?

>>24503844
Yeah but that's warhammer elves not Tolkien's

I'll write the next Star wars.

>>24503452
how many times do I have to explain this to you fags
It's about complexity and prose. Simplify prose and you get YA. Take Harry potter or the tripod trilogy for example. Both good for the reason that it's easier to digest for smaller minds. This is why women love harry potter and romanceslop. Bakker is not adult because of his edginess. He is adult because of his above average complex philosophy and prose. More so with something like gene wolfe. You think 14 year olds are reading that? Red Rising is YA because of its simple prose. Jack Vance's Dragon Masters, though lowbrow sci fi world of 80s style laser dinosaurs, is not YA because of its complexity in story and prose.
A 14 year old would read Red Rising. Anything that a producer could look at and think "hmmm this could be an easily digestible tv show/movie for the masses!" is YA.

>>24503522
>>24504071

They didn't have Bakker at Barnes and Noble...

>>24503642
How are the Kaiju parts?

>>24503490

I'm >>24504128. Red Rising is in the SciFi section at Barnes and Noble in the shelf right next to Pratchett.

Speaking of, there's new Pratchett covers. I felt like they're gonna cause tonal dissonance in anyone who reads them who's unfamiliar with Pratchett. They make it look like epic fantasy instead of a fantasy humor. Pic related.

>>24503522
It's stuff aimed at a young audience. It can be about anything, have any type of characters, but like any subgenre it has its cliches and popular trends that authors follow. The main thing about YA novels is they tend to focus on themes and conflicts that resonate with teenage or tweenage audiences. So stuff like not fitting in with peers, bullying, rebelling against authority (this is a big one that can be as small as rebelling against a parent's expectations to scaled up to to rebelling against an entire society / culture), plus there's the time-tested "coming of age" plot or the "inheritance" plot.

There's others besides, those were just some of the common ones that spring to mind when people talk about YA. In terms of actual writing, YA tends to be linear and straightforward storytelling, and the style is straight descriptive prose, emphasis on action and dialogue rather than place or inner narration. The overall structure for YA is that they tend to be plot-driven, with the setting typically only having as many details as necessary for the plot to work (no autistically long info dumps or asides where details of the world are explained at length, usually) and characters also tend to only be as deep as the plot requires.

>>24503819
I did that with Conan. It's in the public domain.

>>24504132
The kaiju themselves are plenty and varied in behavior and physical appearance--the main character is a kaiju surgeon so there is a lot of "going inside and exploring the innards of kaijus while finding and fighting infestation" instances.

>>24503855
Which do you define as "good ones"? It's entirely up to the discretion of the individual publisher who gets a book. So which publishers? I had a 100% rate of getting books except from TOR. Maybe you mean those that don't have to be requested? That's true that there aren't many that are any good. I never requested any of those. It's still free regardless. There's no reason to put it in quotes. Writing reviews isn't mandatory either, as seen by the feedback rate in what I linked.

>>24503859
That isn't a definitive statement. Maybe you meant declarative? He's definitely questioning..

>>24501975 (OP)
Just got to the first Lyria chapter in Dark Age.
I fail to see how Victra can be best girl like this general claims after she tortured that poor girl like she did. I'd go as far as to say Victra a shit and that Mustang is the real best girl. At least she knows empathy.

>>24503641
O rlly? Interdasting.

>>24504128
Based B&N not stocking degenerate SLOP

>>24504535
trust me you'll understand by the time you're done Dark Age

>have trouble thinking of interesting weapons for puppet guy that aren't just the usual sci-fi fare of plasma and lasers
>ask grok, knowing full well I won't get fuck all anything usable, but hoping I might at least get some ideas going over the bot's soulless suggestions
>"GRAVITIC TEMPORAL QUANTUM NEUROGURGLEBURGLE" wordsalad
hahaha i'm killing myself

>>24504625
Saw blade launcher. Its ammo, is saw blades in a cartridge.

>>24504636
that's... hm
i can work with that
probably not a saw gun but i can work with a launchable/retractable saw, lots of potential to write how it keeps screaming

>>24504659
You're welcome. Now PAY ME.

>>24504671
Here, have one (1) zoot suit samus

this mind's eye shit is fucking stupid jumping the fucking shark here

>>24502997
Yeah, I haven't been here in a while and the posts in this general feel different. I do remember someone was constantly recommending me RR in highschool but he was really annoying about it which is part of why I'll never read it

>>24504956
Also I noticed that there's like 2 webnovel gens now so I guess something naturally had to step in to replace the slop

I remember thinking for a long time that the term "looking glass" meant spyglass and not mirror, then finding out different in my 20s. I was wondering where I got that and I was rereading Wheel of Time and lo and behold Jordan calls a spyglass a looking glass. Was that a creative choice? Did the word looking glass use to mean spyglass at some point? I find it hard to imagine he used the word by mistake and it passed editing.

>>24503016
This might blow your mind but bear with me here I'll break it down real simple, Red Rising is what's called a popular series. Popular means a lot of people like it, when there's a lot of people who like something they're going to want to talk about it. Since there's a lot of people who like it, odds are some of those people are also going to post in this very general, very mystifying I know but I trust you can muster the brain power to put the pieces together.

>>24502744
i fear we may never get the nogod series

I was reading The Fury of Kings, and it kind of annoyed me. It felt like it relied on characters doing foolish things to generate drama and have them killed due to mistakes they shouldn't have made. It seems the writer agreed with me, because right before these dumb acts, the characters have an internal monologue where they come very close to realizing how stupid they're being, but it never quite reaches. I figure these were put in to make the characters not come off as completely retarded, but it just made it more frustrating. To specify again, it's not that mistakes are made, it's that they come off as mistakes the character in question shouldn't be making

bros.
wtf.

>>24504968
This was meant for >>24502997 but I'm retarded

I dunno Lysander being some pixie faggot but being able to kill 7 veteran peerless scarred in geared and armored to the teeth because he has magic powers is really souring this book for me

>>24505065
Being peerless has really lost a lot of its impressiveness. At times, they feel more like an elite mook than some of the most dangerous people in the setting. Then again, looking at the first book, I guess that from the get-go, it was something you could luck your way into. But I don't think that's ever lamp-shaded.

I'm going to randomly read book 19 of Clive Cussler's Dirk Pitt series. The only other one I read when I was 10 back in like 1996 and it was Sahara. This one's called Treasure or Khan or something..anyways wish me luck ya big homos.

>>24505086
Regardless of the whether or not being peerless really means anything they're still war veterans of possibly up to 10 years and it's fucking 1v7. This Mind's Eye thing feels like such an asspull and literally magic in a series that's been grounded up to this point. I don't much care for it.

>>24502047
>ai sloop
>good art

Anyone else really love this book? I don't know why. It's like a comfort. It doesn't even have the best prose but I just enjoy the dialogue and stories, and it's really quite funny too.

>>24505125
I used to read the Witcher novels over and over as a teenager (am a slav). Last Wish is easily the best work Sapkowski ever put out. Sword of Destiny is a not-so-close second. The actual "main story" starting with Blood of Elves is pretty rough, it has more lows than highs.

>>24505134
Did you read it in Polish or a translation like me? I really wonder how it comes across in its original language. As for your view on the novels, agreed. I'm a fan of the games and so I switch from objective appreciation to gamer slop mindset when I get to Blood of Elves, which helps. I do the same for Metro past 2033, the other two books are shit but are still ourd on my shelf.

>>24505117
I was not aware it was AI

>>24505065
He only did that because he cheated. It's very true to character. They were blinded.

I'm in the middle of reading the Wheel of Time series. I've been avoiding seeing which actors are playing who so it doesn't impact my imagination, but I saw a lineup of the actors for the kids in passing.

Why are they brown?

>>24505117
the hideous kindergarten level scribbles most red rising fans come up with make AI acceptable

>>24505169
because those mud people JUST HAPPENED to be the best actors who auditioned :)
almost as bad as the muttification of the main cast is the crone they cast as lanfear. what the fuck were they thinking

>>24505198
What the fuck is wrong with Hollywood casting directors. Did they all start smoking crack immediately once the ball dropped in 2010?

Who the fuck is this? There was not a single soul who sat down to read Eye of the World and thought of this actress. Not a single one.

>>24505141
Translated, but into Czech, so there wasn't much adaptation needed.

>>24505219
They're not retarded, they're evil and actively attempting to subvert culture, and what they cannot subvert, they seek to destroy. It's called spitewashing.

>>24505226
>>24505219
they also seek to manufacture the "modern audience" of retards that swallow any goyslop presented to them, and in the same turn, they seek to demoralize you by defacing your culture

>>24505226
>>24505228
They seem to do it with young girls a lot. Hermione? Brown. Annabeth? Black. Nynaeve? Brown. Egwene? Brown. Rhaena and Baela from House of the Dragon? Black (to such a degree that no sane person would believe they were Daemon's daughters).

I wish we still lived in a world where people cared about what they were adapting to an autistic degree. Because I just don't understand the thought process of things nowadays.

>>24505239
I'd bet all of them are presented as more clever or knowledgeable than the boys around them.

>>24505198
Hey, man. insulting the actors by calling them "mud" and "mutts" is misdirected. They just showed up to audition like any other actor. You can disagree with that if you want, but their part in all this is mostly innocuous. The REAL issue is who is running the show. Point your finger at Rafe Judkins(showrunner) and Kelly Valentine Hendry(casting director). For they are the people who actively chose to cast people who don't fit the role.

>>24505219
Personally, I like her look. But she's just not what Nynaeve is supposed to be. I wouldn't mind her getting casted in a character appropriate for her in another show. Or one of the less important Aes Sedai.

>>24505219
It's the same problem that happened to Rings of Power. Showrunners don't ACTUALLY want to adapt the work, they just want to graft its skin on their own shitty script that would never get filmed otherwise. Casting black people is just a shield they hide behind from criticism.

>>24503364
Garrett PI is an entire series about that.

>>24503642
>A LitRPG Adventure
groan

>>24505219
You're forgetting show probably spent a year or two in production. Look at the time frame. Remember what else was going down during 2019-2021?

>>24502884
>feet in shadows

>>24505219
>>24505226
>>24505228
>>24505263
It started on 2012 when Obama repealed the Smith-Mundt act. It's linked to USAID funding "NGOs" that funded media giants in pursuit of disseminating identity politics.

They get paid to do this shit specifically.

>>24505287
it's just such a huge coincidence these corporation-level directives always drip down to creative types who in turn ALWAYS create shit as a result

any good books with the big guy protecting a young girl trope?

>>24505245
To be fair, for the books they covered, that was literally true for Egwene and Nynaeve.

>>24505251
>Personally, I like her look. But she's just not what Nynaeve is supposed to be.
Many times Nynaeve is described as pretty. I don't mean to be rude to this young lady they casted, but very few people would call her that and be genuine.

>>24505268
it should be noted garrett is always misrepresented on the covers. he doesn't actually dress like a hardboiled noir investigator, it's a thoroughly fantasy setting.

>>24505298
I'm not familiar with most of the books in that list, I'm just making a guess that the girls who were race changed were all within the general "Girl who's smarter than the boys" archetype.

>entire chapter of Ephraim tripping balls
that was kinda funny I guess

>>24505321
Ephraim as a character only gets better with each POV.

>>24505219
lan as an asian i get, even though he's described as blue eyed, etc. the borderlands have some pseudo asian thing going on.
what i don't get it is why mutt up the two rivers folk. there's plenty of diversity built-in to the setting already. they couldn't hold their diversity load in until they reached caemlyn or a big city?

>>24504535
I like Victra because she tortured that ungrateful pleb. Lyria got rescued from poverty by Kavax and her reaction is to publicly sperg out at Pax and help get him abducted. She's a retard. I came around on her by the end of Dark Age thoughbeit

>>24504680
yeah I like his character in theory but the narrative voice Pierce gave him is tedious. Even when he's actually doing things it reads like him monologuing. As non-Darrow POVs go he gets mogged by Ephraim, who coincidentally also makes better arguments against the Republic.

>>24505328
They put too much stock into the fact that people were able to "tell" Rand apart from the other Two Rivers folk, taking it to the extreme that the reason for this is because he's white and they're brown. They just jumped right over the possibility that the reason others can tell is because he's the only one there with blue eyes and red hair.

You can see how they stretched the book to fit their desired castings by taking the wrong things from what they read.
>egwene has big brown eyes and long brown hair
>it says multiple times perrin has curly hair
>Nynaeve (and this one feels vaguely racist), brown eyes, long braided brown hair, with an attitude problem? Perfect! Let's make her black

>>24505293
Between Two Fires

>>24505293
my diary desu

>>24505338
Progressives being vaguely racist is fairly common, funnily.

>>24505271
The worst part?
I guarantee you the author didn't actually want to brand it that, and it probably isn't even as generic as that tagline sounds.
You have to use these super generic taglines because most of the audience won't go for something that accurately describes the content, even if they like the book for what it is. It's fucking stupid.

>>24501975 (OP)
Anyone read this?

>>24505300
I disagree. She's pretty. Solid 7/10 standard pretty person. She might not be your taste, so you would rate her lower. But generally, she's pretty. With good makeup and camera angles, he can appear more than 7.
Putting her hair up in the show didn't help. She needed some hair to frame her face.

Of course the real Nynaeve is supposed to prettier than a 7. But personally, I don't expect every actor and actress to meat the beauty standards of the book. Because everyone is idealized. And how many 9-10 looking actors can you find, who are also good actors? If you're lucky, you might get 5 to 10 talented models. And that still wouldn't fit all the idealized characters in the book. So settling for a 7 here and there, and gussying her up is tolerable.

But that's also another issue with the show. They didn't even try to make their cast look better. Her makeup is barely noticeable. Her hair doesn't flatter her face. Like at least give her a fringe or something, so her scalp isn't completely bare, revealing her forehead. Something about the lighting just hits all the actor's faces harshly. And she's constantly making a sad looking concerned face all the time. When Nynaeve is supposed to appear angry/annoyed. So having that dower expression on her face isn't helping either. The directors should tell her to stop doing that. But then again, I think they're directing her to do that.

>>24505356
>overexposed lighting to make her look whiter
DAS RAYCIST

Is realm of elderlings worth reading at all?

>>24505362
She's just light skinned, anon.

>>24505356
I am a certified lightskinned bitch lover, and she is a 6/10 to me.

BORN TO CANT
CONSULT IS A FUCK
鬼神 Kill Em All 4132 Year-of-the-Tusk
I Am Mandati Man
5,478,637,782 CULLED SRANC

Spell Monger is one of those fantasy books that feel more like a lore primer than a story.

>>24505338
>They put too much stock into the fact that people were able to "tell" Rand apart from the other Two Rivers folk, taking it to the extreme that the reason for this is because he's white and they're brown
the problem with this is that they weren't all brown and the ones who were brown weren't the same shade of brown. if it was a village of pajeets + rand or niggers + rand, that explanation i could buy. i still wouldn't be happy about it but at least it'd make more sense. but mat's white, nyneve is a mulatto, perrin is a quadroon, egwene is a maori? pajeet? i think those village people must be used to seeing different people from themselves by now
i get that having too many white faces in one place is the worst sin you could commit to these libtards, but if you want to remove white people, you can try to go for something that would serve the story.

>>24505293
those books about the moving cities. mortal engines? it's kind of touching. despite the retarded premise, the books manage to have some emotional gravitas.

If PB nails Red God, I believe Red Rising will go down as the greatest fantasy series of all time.

Lmk your thoughts on this and your top 5 fantasy books/ series of all time.

>>24505505
>fantasy
*sci-fantasy

And yeah if he sticks the landing on this, it's a very special series AND I'm looking forward to the actual fantasy book he talked about wanting to do after this.

>>24505448
It's doubly bad because the Two Rivers is geographically right next to Arad Doman. The only thing separating the Two Rivers from the Domani capital is a large forest which houses the Manetheren Ogier grove. Geographically speaking the Two Rivers is closer to Bandar Eban than Caemlyn.
They could have literally made the entire Two Rivers vaguely hispanic and it would be supported both by lore and text. Two Rivers folk are described as dark haired, dark eyed, and swarthy, and Manetheren itself, whose people descended into two rivers folk, occupied most of Arad Doman before the kingdom fell. There's legitimate argument to be made that they should be vaguely brownish.

But instead they decided to blanda it upp because they're retards who can't into consistency.

>>24505505
I don't know if it would fall into greatest of all times, but it's one of my favourite series in recent years.

>>24505373
I'm on the second book and enjoying it so far. It takes its time but uses that pace to build the world and characters really effectively. Its not modern marvelesque fantasy, by which I mean its not written to be adapted to film. You take your time and enjoy the journey. Honestly can't wait for the later books about the Fool.

>>24505505
unironically, DCC is better in almost every way

>>24505519
>There's legitimate argument to be made that they should be vaguely brownish.
they're welsh/native british ie rowan atkinson/john rhys-davies/catherine zeta-jones ect ect

>>24505355
No, what's it like?

>forbidding myself to do any research for my novel
>how did vikings celebrate Sigrblót?
>who cares?! I can make something up!
>how long would it take to climb a mountain this size?
>fuck it! Who cares?!
>what animals would exist in this climate?
>fuck it! Magic kangaroos! And they're 20 feet tall!
>I wonder what kind of prayers--
>Make one up, dipshit!
>this is how it's fucking done, lads.

>>24505505
Let's assume you sincerely believe this and aren't knowingly exaggerating for dramatic effect. Let's put aside any objective assessment and focus solely on the subjective.If you're willing to say this, it's more likely than not that you've believed this before about some other series and will do so in the future as well. Your beliefs aren't as stable as you may want to believe. This is only something that you want to believe, for now. There's no reason to get into why that may be, because it's irrelevant.

Calling it a fantasy series is an interesting choice. It implies than you believe in a binary between fantasy and reality in terms of genre for fiction. It's either completely set in real world terms, as much mainstream fiction is, especially the literary sort, or it's not based in reality and therefore fantasy. That's reductive and unhelpful to me, but it's understandable. I find it amusing to consider that under this definition there's no distinction between Lord of the Rings and Red Rising.

Arguably there isn't anything fantastical about the series. Scientifically implausible, yes, but ruled out from possibility? I don't believe so.

My current thoughts are that it'll be remembered as a popular series more relevant for its fandom than for its actual content. This is the fate of almost all popular series, and has been for a while now. The actual series will be considered as unqualified top quality by those with limited experience. Those with more experience will consider as it as uneven series that while it wasn't able to become what it aspired to be, it did well enough. It's not so much a noble failure as it is due to the author's inability to have written what he wanted.

Peter Brown as an author may well become a notable for his future works for something aside from popularity, if only because they will never be anywhere as popular, as he'll be more a technically proficient writer better able to fulfill his ambitions, as can be seen over the course of the series. This isn't a given for an author, but evidence suggests it's the case for him.

>>24505717
Is this praise or condemnation?

>>24505505
>Lmk your thoughts on this
It's a completely absurd notion on its face even assuming you're being hyperbolic. Red Rising isn't even the best sci-fantasy series being published _right now_.

>>24503080
Typical

I read https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/the-dawn-of-the-posthuman-age as recommended by Google News. After reading it I decided to tell ChatGPT my thoughts.

Based on my limited experience with LLMs, almost exclusively with ChatGPT, one of their uses for me has been for knowledge curation. In terms of analogy, ChatGPT is to Wikipedia as Wikipedia is to primary sources.

This demonstrates how my thinking changed in collaboration with ChatGPT and how that altered the path of my thought process
https://chatgpt.com/share/68611538-cb98-8012-8010-c7c81362ff74

So, then I began to consider what the difference between reading the substack and querying ChatGPT was. Both had me thinking more about the topic and are knowledge curations. Possibly the most beneficial part of interaction with others, including reading, is the consideration of other perspectives due to their different experiences.

Due in part to our finite existences, each individual is extremely limited in almost every way. While the possibility exists to research, the process is often very resource intensive in terms of time, effort, and money. Expert opinion is one shortcut, but that's still limited to singular persons. LLMs can be another shortcut, especially in terms of the discovery problem. In this sense, one of their purposes can be to provide the raw material that other humans have excavated to be further refined by human minds.

Take for example the author who wants their writing to be grounded in realism and scientific plausibility, but they don't have the time or interest to be a researcher. This allows for getting to the relevant information much more quickly and as long as comprehension is possible, it may allow for mitigating the worst offenses. Asking ChatGPT to revise any detected errors would be easier, but that would also be authorial abdication, let alone practical problems it may cause such as in terms of structural integrity.

LLMs are a tool. As with physical tools, what can be accomplished with them depends on the proficiency of the user. There are appropriate tools for each task that work better than others. Using a tool for that which it isn't intended may produce a result, but that result is more likely to either be ineffective or harmful.

Using them as something other than a tool is ill-advised at best. Many do so out of ignorance and/or delusion. This is most readily apparent when they're used for emotional, psychological, or similar reasons of personal difficulty. Doing so is nothing more than talking to yourself in a mirror and believing your reflection is another person.

Cognitive symbiosis with such a tool would be a terrible mistake. This is especially true for undeveloped minds as it would overwhelm and possibly curtail their personal development. The brain is a muscle and if something else is always doing the lifting for you, then your own won't ever develop. You have to know which questions to ask before you can seek their answers.

>>24505373
>Megan Lindholm
what do you think?

Alright bots were getting breakfast and then headed to the used book store and irish pub for whiskey coffee and reading for a few hours. Have a good day and read your books everyone. I'm gonna start book 3 of the Liveship traders trilogy. I am excited.

>>24506101
American bacon looks disgusting

>>24506146
looks like foreskin breakfast

Why is it so good?

>>24506164
woah why is that snek so big

>>24506169
That's why it's so good

>>24505338
>>24505347
>>24505448
>They put too much stock into the fact that people were able to "tell" Rand apart from the other Two Rivers folk, taking it to the extreme that the reason for this is because he's white and they're brown.
Uhh... retard alert? That statement is so retarded, that I'm honestly baffled. The Two Rivers in the show had a bunch of white people. Look at this clip. Within the first 20 seconds, you see a bunch of white faces: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIMkfP4JsxU

And shame on you other two for actually believing the obvious bullshit coming out of that retarded anon's mouth.

Jesus, what kind of persecution complex did you develop, to where you start fabricating things to be offended by? There is already plenty to criticize the show for. You don't need to start making up stories about Rand being the sole white guy in a town of brown people.

Also, the show did work the red hair thing into the story. Even that black Aiel girl is a black ginger with red hair.

>>24502019
I downloaded anons slop. What am I in for?

>>24506169
Wrong, that's a tiny human.

>>24506174
>And shame on you other two for actually believing the obvious bullshit
the literal first line of my post acknowledges that they are not all brown and that there are white people
you've proven you are a drooling retard who can't read so i won't bother with the rest of your autistic screeching

>>24506182
Your statement was not that the village at large had white people. But that the whole cast was diverse. You only point at Mat as 1 other white person. You were making the point that for the town is a wider range of brown, with only a few white people in the main cast. Rather than a homogeneous brown.
So you really didn't contend his point. You were just taking his point, and adding some nuanced touches to it.
There were a lot of white people. Not just a few.

>>24506203
>you didn't talk about every background extra!
absolutely retarded moron, never reply to me again

>>24504364
You must only read woke slop.

>>24506261
Is there woke that isn't slop?

>>24506258
>I mentioned the one other white person in main cast, so that covers the whole town. :)

>>24506318
ANON GET DOWN
HE'S GOING TO DROP ANOTHER PERSONAL ATTACK BOMB

I'm glad /sffg/ is having this type of constructive discussion instead of silly talk about book content.

>>24506327
/sffg/ (a den of normalfaggotry) only talks about the same books ad nauseum and shits on anything out of vogue.

>>24501350
I recommend Meyrink's The Golem. Surreal, nightmarish, ambiguous. Good stuff.

>>24506327
The problem is you wanting /sffg/ to be that when it never was, and never will be. Look at the other sff threads on /lit/. If you want discussion, then you'll need a specific thread for it.

>>24506327
Use this place for book recs and nothing else.

>>24506327
I review and attempt to discuss every book I read. My success at discussion is variable. But I get probably an average of 3 replies before discussion peters out.
It's not my fault you guys talk more about other stuff than you do about books.

>>24506501
Joke's on you, I do the same and avoid that other type of discussion.

>>24506501
I don't believe you. Provide evidence.

>>24506174
Why are there any brown people at all? If Robert Jordan meant for them to be brown, he would have specified that they were.

>>24506657
I cant remember the series well, but I think Lan was tanned. Anyway if you cant understand why jews are using non-white races in their brainwashing agenda then youre on the wrong site.

>>24506667
He describes the non-white characters as having bronze or copper skin, or being swarthy, or just straight up dark-skinned.

>>24506667
>Da jooz
The showrunner, Rafe Judkins, is white and was born into a Mormon family. And the casting Director Kelly Valentine Hendry is Scottish white.

>>24506713
wow gottem!

>>24506681
>bronze or copper skin, or being swarthy
None of these describe black people.

>>24506768
what color are most "black" people, retard? Do you think they're actually the color black?

>>24506803
Black people, like Africa-black, are darker than either bronze or copper.

Robert Jordan uses "Charcoal-dark face" to describe Semirhage. And "dark face" to describe Tuon.

Any fantasy series with good war scenes

Didn't like Malazan, and Black Company was just alright. I've read Second Apocalypse and loved it, I've also enjoyed Practical Guide to Evil

>>24506803
>Mediterraneans, Arabs, Turks, Persians, Indians, Asians, Mesoamericans etc don't exist, everyone that exists is either pale luminescent white or sub-Saharan African
Are you ESL? In English literature "bronze" "copper" "swarthy" are not words used to describe black people.

>>24506834
>>24506869
...

>>24506331
>anything out of vogue.
it's simple: we don't want woke garbage in our hobby.

>>24506331
it's simple, really: we don't want woke garbage to ruin our once-great hobby.

>>24506834
Are all black people charcoal black

>>24506906
>>24506909
lol

Moorcock writing comments on old blog posts.

>>24506904
Not the same color.

>>24506911
No, of course not. However, it doesn't matter what you think the color of black should be described as. What matters is how the language is used. Non-black colors are typically copper, bronze, olive, swarthy, and tan. Black colors are typically chocolate, caramel, dark, ebony, and black.

From what I found, Robert Jordan uses "charcoal-dark" and just regular "dark". There might be more, but searching text isn't bringing up other results yet. There might be some other kinds of descriptors I haven't considered.

The larger point, is that you would be silly to assume that someone described as "bronze" is black. Especially since Robert Jordan doesn't use it that way.

>>24506935
Cool

>>24506951
He has more comments on blackgate.com. There's a bunch of other famous authors who go there as well. No idea what other blogs he goes on.

>>24506937
Oh my apologies, this is much closer.

>>24506904
>>24506968
So you are ESL and have no interest to learn, got it.

Give me some slop to read

>>24506994
Sometimes I forget how many stupid people know how to read nowadays. Fucking retard lmao

>>24507065
I don't know how it works in your native monkey grunt language, but in English words have meanings.

>>24507018
Barbarians of the Storm. It's the sloppiest of the slop, but it's entertaining because it knows it's slop and doesn't care. You won't read it though because you have to buy the books off Amazon and they're retardedly expensive.

>>24506803
They are the color of nightmares, of shadows in the jungle, of hairless gorillas helbent on destruction.

>>24506935
Treece is based, yes.

Are the Thieves' World books any good? I have never seen them mentioned might be a bad sign.

>>24507421
https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search&search_text=%22Thieves+World%22

>>24507018
anything by Lin Carter

>>24506935
I love this old Jew nigga so much

>>24505125
gonna read it after I read Weird of the White Wolf

A while back, we were discussing how the last two Cradle books seemed to drop in writing quality, coinciding with the tone becoming more comedic. Well, I was reading Will Wight's The Captain Series, which has a more comedic tone from the outset, and I found it to be a step down. So maybe the man isn't all too good at writing comedy?

>>24507493
The problem with comedy is that it has a much more fragmented audience which depends on its specific type, as compared to action which can be enjoyed by most who enjoy action.

Brits...you can stop faking that accent and pretending Joe Abercrombie is a god tier author

>>24507149
no need to shill your own shitty books anon.

new

>>24507987

>>24507987