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Seems like a waste of time. You think a porn addict is going to sit down and read a book? Even if he did, that’s going to stop him? It’s like telling a junkie to read Last Exit to Brooklyn

>>24502837
Im a porn addict and read books all the time. Sometimes even jerk off to them.

Porn is based and a free hit of dopamine though? Refraining from jerking off won't change your life.

>Dude, I quit beating off for a month and now I can fucking FLY!
That's what these nofap retards try to sound like. In reality, it's just another grift.

>LE PORN IS LE BAD
>because it just is, OK?
epic

>>24502846
agreed

>>24502841
>>24502846
>>24502902
Porn addiction and jerking off are two different things, this is not a book promoting no fap. The level of /lit/ has really fallen judging by these braindead replies
>>24502871
Not the point at all, imagine getting filtered by the cover of a book on addiction

>>24502840
It's often overlooked but books are indeed full of porn. It's really a pita when you try to stop

>>24502923
>this is not a book promoting no fap
it is tho

>>24502923
>>>See that self help book about quitting porn? It's not actually about quitting porn or jerking off! That's a totally different subject, this place sure has gotten DUMB!

Pot calling the kettle a nigger.

i really hate americans

>>24502943
I'm afraid of americans!

>Third world nigger expresses utter disdain for America totally unprovoked for no discernible reason whatsoever

thanks, I grew taller and became a billionaire after quitting porn. who could knew looking up big boobs on the internet was the biggest problem holding me back.

porn definitely has a seat at the table of the modern globohomo. quitting it isn't the panacea that the retards on /r/nofap make it out to be.

that dude's got clips most likely

>>24502841
Porn addicts have reduced grey matter in their brains and deep-fried dopamine levels.

>>24503160
nothingburger.

>>24503160
And they're *still* less schizo than the anti-porn freaks

>>24503164
You are no better than heroin junkies.

>>24503166
No wonder porn addicts think from their dicks.

Sexual morality in the West follows horseshoe theory where both ends (protestant christcuckery - radical feminism) agree that men having any sexual outlets is le bad and they should just be repressed faggots.

>>24503188
What if the christcucks and feminists together form a single pole and coomers are the other?

>>24503167
What is this meant to show?

>>24502816 (OP)
>>24502822
No thanks. The demographic on this board tends to be ten years my junior and I don't feel listening to kids.

>>24502943
Don't worry, we hate you too. Pretty soon our troops will create a color revolution in your pathetic "country" and sell you out to bankers.

>>24503167
>watching porn is worse than hardcore heroin addiction
what's the point of having an unharmed brain full of goo matter when your IQ is 50

>>24503348
Like the elites have sold you to expand their imperialistic goals? Mutt states is not a real country, it's a human experiment, and you "people" are the guinea pigs, ready to be slaughtered when time comes.

>>24503371
wow dude what a take. so sharp and intelligent.

>>24502816 (OP)
Lmfao looked into the author, his entire existence was only about anti-porn and he achieved nothing, he wasnt even a scholar on the subject whatsoever and was an oxymoron.

This is NOT addiction psychplogy and nueroscience. Link actual non-psued works done by top of the line professionals.

>>24503381
Not as sharp as the pencil you sticked in your ass.

>>24503402
how does he know I have a pencil in my ass?!

>>24502816 (OP)
jokes on you, I jerk off whenever I want to, and I have sex whenever I want to also

>>24503427
Superior Brit intelligence and witticism innit

my dick works a lot better and feels better when I take a long break from porn and masturbation. I get hard like a teenager.

I haven't watched porn in 28 days, and didn't even read the book. Just meditation, an affirmation that I don't need porn, and plenty of exercise

>and plenty of exercise
He means masturbation

>>24503594
and posting on 4chan

>>24503594
how does your penis feel?

I do still jerk off, but only to my imagination and memories of trysts

>>24503594
You could probably blast a rope halfway across the room now if you really wanted to

>>24503602
Its even more sensitive than ever

>>24503605
I've always been able to do that if I've been eaten certain things. For some reason, celery just amps up the power

>>24503371
Whatever helps you sleep better I guess, Hector.

>>24502816 (OP)
No fap is total bullshit and I have personal experience to back it.

I was an extremely religious teenager. You won't believe me but I jerked off for the first time when I was 22. Physically and health wise I hit the fucking wall years before my first fap. Also no fap does fuck all if you want to retain your semen because if you don't fap for a week you'll in cum during a wet dream and that feeling will be akin to pissing your bed.

Fuck man, I feel cucked. I rejected 6 or 7 women who approached me in my youth because my erotic senses were utterly fucked. Those religious bastards put so much fear and shame in me while all of them were jerking off and having sex with both men and women. And there I was feeling embarrassed for cumming during a wet dream and asking for forgiveness from lord for being "sinful" in my dreams. They instilled a deep disgust and shame of body in me. Subhumans!

Just fap once a week if you don't want to piss your bed and move on.

>>24503647
dont listen to this hand of satan, noble young men

>>24503650
I bet you have fucked your male class fellows in your religious school.

>>24503647
No fap is stupid. Fapping to extreme porn is even dumber

>>24503665
cumbrained moron

I beat my dick so much I developed a rare condition know as hard-flaccid. DO NOT GOON.

>>24503672
True

>>24503677
Weekly wet dreams on no fap are very real and semen retention is bullshit spouted by hacks. If you can control your ejaculation in your wet dreams then that's cool.

>>24502816 (OP)
>>24502822
Have not read. Thing that worked for me was seeing a screenshot of a twitter post on /fit/ saying, masturbating to porn is Indian behavior, and since reading, I still have urges, but am reminded of how much of a jeet I would be if I looked at porn. Perhaps the post was about masturbation though I imagine 90% of people are masturbating to porn. Been around 2 or 3 weeks. Stay strong, brothers.

>>24502816 (OP)
Didn't we had this thread before?

>>24503704
>nooooo you are only allowed to discuss any given topic once in your lifetime

Using imagination and memories as fap fuel is way better

I don't know why it matters how your BRAIN is on porn.
your DICK on porn...? joy, happy, overflowing with life and sticky goo
take care of your penises gentlemen

>>24503647
>>24503665
>>24503692
I want to add that I am only against NoFap. Yeah not watching porn is great and I am with you bros on this page.

I read somewhere that Wittgenstein use to masturbate while thinking about problems of logic and maths. And Mishima coomed in front of a twink without using his hands, just on the basis of his imagination.

>>24503565
for me it's the opposite

>>24503709
the topic is so shit tho

>>24502816 (OP)
From my time in the NoFap sphere, there are only two kinds of people who are really into quitting porn. There is the occasional "real" porn addict that watches porn for 8 hours a day even when they aren't jerking off. They will be watching porn at 7am during breakfast before work. They are the ones that actual need le therapy. But most porn addicts on the forums are just guys who have escalated their porn habits to fetishes they are uncomfortable with. Trying to quit porn, for these guys, just creates an all or nothing problem where they are either not watching porn or are relapsing and indulging completely in their gross fetishes. Many NoFappers are Christian or Muslim (or even Hindu LOL), and this line of thinking also often plays into a black and white religious mindset: "I'm already sinning, why not indulge in my gross and embarrassing fetish!". Cold turkey is an unrealistic strategy for these guys, and they should just consciously decide to only view porn that relates to real life desires and experiences, which is usually monogamous sex with a biological woman. They think they want to quit porn when really they want to stop having an embarrassing fetish. If you think I'm projecting, just go read the forum posts on the NoFap website or subreddit. Also, 90% of the brain chemistry and rewiring stuff talked about by these guys is either complete bullshit or more nuanced than it appears. We do not understand the brain that well, and porn research is extremely new and underfunded/researched.

i've always thought nofap was obscuring the very real spiritual practice of semen retention.
nonetheless, regardless of you staying abstinent or not you should stay away from porn. it's not healthy for anyone.

>>24502846
>noooo dude, seriously, my life WILL NOT IMPROVE if I quit drinking sursuly bro, your breath DOES NOT STOP SMELLING BAD and your judgment DOES NOT get clearer or better if you quit drinking, no I've never gone a day without alcohol why do you ask?

>>24502934
The title clearly says addiction, OP's book is clearly about porn addiction (and addiction in general) and it's effect on the brain. You're the brainlet here

>>24503647
Wet dreams barely release any semen though, you can tell since it's much less sticky and easy to rinse off

porn addiction doesn't exist retards

>>24502816 (OP)
FTFY

Merely not gooning is not the attainment of perfect virtue.

>>24504041
depends. ive had WDs that left big ol' stains on my bed/boxers and others where I feel the shoot but find no evidence

>>24504041
No, my dick stick to the coom spot.

Porn reduces gray matter.
https://yellowbrickprogram.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Brain-Structure-and-Functional-Connectivity-Associated-With-Pornography-Consumption-The-Brain-on-Porn.pdf

>>24504096
weak bait

>>24504096
>>24504131
what was the book where the guy pretended to have a read a nyt article reporting on a study that found that running causes brain damage from all the bouncing and none of the faculty at his university doubted it they were all like "well that does make sense!" etc. i think it was one of those niel postman books like technopoly or whatever lol

>>24502816 (OP)
>>24502822
Superiorest version.
Addiction doesn't exist.

>>24504177
Already been perfected.

give me one good reason not to fap to my anime traps and no muh grey matter doesn't count, I'm old and already lost most of that probably

>>24503594
How? It's literally impossible if you browse 4chan, I'm assuming at least half of you go to /v/ and that's pretty much a soft porn board now.

>>24504303
/mu/ is as well

>>24504303
Not him but it doesn't bother me because those who tend to make soft porn threads usually have shit taste.

>>24503823
We're not talking about drinking here, lush. We're talking about beating wieners and blasting hot, white sticky cum all over the place.

Two completely DIFFERENT things. Why would YOU go into a thread about blastin' sticky globs of man gravy and suddenly start talking about DRINKING?

Kinda Hella SUS there, SIS.

>>24504303
I only go on /lit/, /out/ and /x/. And usually I'm here for like 1-2 hours on my days off.

I prefer this type of self-improovement material.

>>24504914
not on annas archive :(

>>24503167
>dude, look at these pixels

>>24503155
>picrel
How many other people did she blame instead of herself?

>>24504041
>much less sticky and easy to rinse off
Anon, I...

>>24502840

Visual porn (pictures, videos) is very different for the brain than reading smutty fiction.

>>24502840
When I was in the 8th grade, I jerked off to Venus in Furs.

>>24504536
Fine, I'll spill out the point for you, since you seem to have missed it:
My point is, alcohol and masturbation are both addictive behaviors, and replacing porn with drinking in the reasoning that coomers use might demonstrate that they are just copes.
If you don't believe masturbation is addictive, try having a bit of self awareness next time you compulsively start doing it, and perhaps see what happens when you try to resist the compulsion.

It’s genuinely disconcerting how adamant some posters are that people shouldn’t quit porn, or any vice.

Bring up marijuana, booze, porn, hell even processed foods and there’s always some degenerates going absolutely apeshit over the concept of stopping or abstaining. I mean it when I say it’s extremely alarming. Is it bots? Is it glowies? Or do people genuinely get this angry at the random actions of other people?

>>24506218
It's more that the average person does not appreciate being told what to do by sanctimonious, holier-than-thou assholes.
>stop eating meat!
>stop driving cars!
>stop using the word "nigger"!
>stop drinking alcohol!
>stop watching porn!
It's just irksome having some soapbox sadie telling you what you're not allowed to do.

>>24506218
no one likes busybodies, especially when it's about stuff that's unimportant. you are not making a stance about overly expensive cancer medicine, you are pestering people over what they watch on the internet. like everyone knows mcdonald's is bad what's the point of bothering people eating there. saying fuck off to your kind is like an effortless and natural response.

>>24506255
Literally nobody ITT did this. Let alone the fact that you don’t need to enter a thread about a topic you find inherently annoying just to seethe about it.

But this also doesn’t in any way address what I said.

>>24506264
>>24506255
Why samefag? See: >>24506265

>>24506267
sorry I just can't stop myself.

>>24506218
Welcome to 4chan.
Too many perverts? Don't try the other boards.

>>24506269
>>24506270
I’m gonna go with glowie then. There is no way you live your life this angry about what others do or don’t do.

>>24506287
Who's angry about who's doing what now? I lost track of the conversation

>>24506493
he's literally insane and thinks anyone responding to him is an FBI agent.

>>24502822
The 4chan mods are evil porn addicted trannies who blocked the name of this site from being typed
That's how you know it's effective

>>24505394
Look up "Hood Nigga Affirmations pdf" on Jewgle. First result.

>>24502816 (OP)
Porn is not bad, idgaf

>>24506599
ty nigga
i use duckduckgo but i guess i need to go back to daddy sometimes

>>24502816 (OP)
Is it better or worse that I can only get off to anime porn? I only do it like twice a week and I still find real women attractive. But real porn disgusts me for some reason.

>>24506579
>>24506493
Who’s angry? See:
>>24506255
Seething about “sanctimonious assholes”

And
>>24506264
Implying OP is pestering anyone or that it’s “natural” to enter a thread, seethe and tell people to fuck off

>>24502816 (OP)
Gary Wilson is a fraud. I can't believe people still shill him here

>>24506149
Nah nigga, you DEF repressing a desire to guzzle sperms ITT. Zesty lil' nigga

>>24502840
But have you ever jerked to your own writing?

>>24506095
bullshit. there's not a single fappable scene in that book

>>24506493
You're either disingenuous or you've never been in one of these threads. Every single time someone brings up not jacking off there's a dozen dismissive posts that read like they're written by people who feel personally attacked. It's really glaring.

Porn is outlawed in South Korea, home to the world's worst birthrate, arguably the worst gender politics, and the abominable simp economy that is k-pop. You'd expect better outcomes than this.

>>24506218
It's because hedonism + moral relativism means that the only immoral thing is to "ruin someone's fun" (even if said "fun" is ruining their own lives or the lives of others). It very much goes back to Plato's argument in Republic about the democratic man.

>>24506218
porn is not a real addiction, you won't start masturbating in public. Marijuana and booze are done by people anywhere

>>24506840
it might be outlawed but people still fap like crazy, wtf do you think

>>24506218
no, I'm pretty sure it's just you and your autism

>>24506959
do anti-porn people think masturbation needs to be outlawed too?

>>24503323
Porn addicts have more yellow pixels in their brain, and even some orange!

>>24506959
I think your whole premise is wrong.

>>24502926
Thinking about your mom is all i need

>>24503167
Heroin is pretty cool

>>24503170
As opposed to you, who think from your vagina

>>24506959
Democratization of sexual access would end this

>>24506218
Where do you think you are, exactly?

>>24507212
I assure you it's already democratized. Unless you want to sexualize the under-developed. Then God help you.

>>24503702
>am reminded of how much of a jeet I would be if I looked at porn
I personally like to visualize a jew inside of me telling me to indulge in my most base instincts, and I try to resist him.
Gotta defeat the inner jew.

>>24503702
Porn is a murderer. Like Satan, Hitler, Mao, Stalin, and all the rest of them. I wish I was being facetious. I am not. Stay tough.

>>24503702
Every waking moment spend thinking about the existence of people that think like you inch me closer and closer to suicide.

>>24503702
Sorry wrong code that post was targeted at
>>24507721

>>24503188
Thinking porn and masturbation is a valid sexual outlet is such an insult to the power of a virile, meek, and virtuous man. I can acknowledge your horseshoe of legalism at both ends, men being the target thereof perhaps. But if you want to dwell in the middle, you still need to do with a rule.. that being if you as a male want your sexual outlet, be a husband. Or be a formidable suitor that women fawn over even. But if liberated manhood to you means masturbation let alone hookup culture, you've failed the assignment. Those are actually the phenomena of those far ends of the horseshoe which you describe. Sexual gratification in actuality is a cheerful and stoic contenance of your sexual prowess, and a lively and handsome rapport between the sexes that doesn't have a decadent bend to it,--because those dynamics don't last and aren't deep. And when you do lay on the line your sexual outlet, you go all the way, you go ride or die with one woman. With those stakes you will be in actuality gratified, and your soul will likewise be edified by the institution of marriage.
You seem to want liberated "outlets."
But I want liberated male sexuality, wherein male sexuality in its purpose is actually lived out in its furthest extent uninhibited.
My view of gratification is simply not nearsighted as yours, because that's an insult to the idea of gratification. Dopamine kicks and putting myself to sleep with wanking conflate sex(a gratifying endeavour) with something that doesn't satisfy whatsoever. And we all often do feel rather shabby and loathesome while doing it(jerking) to put it lightly. And not because my Priest told me to feel bad while doing it, it just feels bad to do. Like eating too much candy or KFC.

>>24507733
We should date eachother. You hate me but I swear it's just romantic frustration. You kinda know my post makes sense. Also you write like an immigrant and spend your waking hours thinking about sensational Christcucks like me. Meanwhile of course you write so melodramatically, you are obviously rather spiritual and over the top frankly.

>>24507729
dont do it jeety

>>24507793
Be nice to him. He's gonna be my bestie soon.

Of all the absolutely depraved, horrendous shit people can and very often DO do on a daily basis throughout ALL of human history why is me beating a little bit a white liquid out of my dink on a regular basis supposedly the single most heinous act imaginable as far as most religions are concerned?

>>24507887
Do you want peace? Do you want strength? Do you want devotion? Do you want romance?
Or as do you want what Bob Dylan calls "a watered-down love"

>>24507901
>Do you want devotion? Do you want romance?
You can't even get those out of the modern woman unless you're a particularly exceptional specimen with considerable stores of resources.

>>24502816 (OP)
How about a 2 minute video: https://youtu.be/CnHyStDZ3_U?si=D7LP0odxdSWDT5JJ

>>24507914
Modern woman being maximally duplicitous, and dull is the perfect recipe for romance. Women has of course always had that aspect of 'not knowing what she wants,' but of course now she can be expected to be more misguided and cruel than ever. But to me I still won't be a sucker for defeatist lines of thinking. The 'I can fix him/her' trope is the bread-and-butter of real romantics. That I can assure you. To me I insist modern woman, yes she's maximally frustrating, maximally ungratifying to deal with. But what you've described is ENTHRALLING to me. This is all a recipe for me *a romantic,* to want to life her spirits more than ever. Things never changed and never will; one will always need to sweep a woman from her feet. The gettin's are good! But you need to make her good too. Virtue is what you will parade on with her. This sounds demanding, yes,... and...

Gratifying.

>>24502816 (OP)
Kek, your post has done perverts seethe.
>No, I'm not a porn addict but I want to see my wife fucking with a Tyrone
>No, I'm not a porn addict but I want to suck Tyrone dick
>No, I'm not porn addict but I really love seeing blacked movies because I enjoy watching white women fucking with blacks
>No, I'm not porn addict but I enjoy watching Legalporno
>No, I'm not porn addict but I enjoy farts, piss and scat movies
>No, I'm not porn addict but I want to be tamed by a 40 yo roastie
>No, I'm not porn addict but I really love seeing tranny porn
Yes, you are a porn addict. Stop pretending you aren't.

thanks, OP, gonna jerk off, forgot about it

>Be lonely man
>Find advice that no-porn and no-fap will change your life and help you find someone
>Follow this advice for a year
>Still a miserable lonely man, just one who doesn't watch porn
>Advise others to be miserable with you
Porn is a symptom of loneliness and not the cause. If you magically found a qt wife that serviced your dick once or twice a week, you would drop porn. Guaranteed.

>>24508395
I have a qt wife that services my dick 4-6 times a week but instead of dropping porn we're now watching it together before/during sex. Did we fuck up?

>>24508406
Sure you do buddy

>>24508410
I'm for real. And we do watch porn together.

>>24508045
schizo alert

>>24508395
> If you magically found a qt wife that serviced your dick once or twice a week, you would drop porn
that's the whole problem, it's hard as fuck to turn into reality

>>24508406
>I have a qt wife that services my dick 4-6 times a week
this cannot possibly be rephrased to sound gayer

>>24507887
>beating a little bit a white liquid out of my dink
Nobody said this ITT

>>24508859
No one watches porn and doesn't jerk off to it.

>>24503702
The average Indian is a far superior human being to a subhuman pathetic little creatine like you whose life is nothing but a waste of clothes and oxygen. And whose euthanasia would be a mercy on your entire city

>>24508896
Oh so you’re retarded

>>24508991
>poot poot tip for delivery please saar I give you goyslop you pay me good yes I fuck white bitch yes with my big stubby indian cock right thank you come again

>>24509001
Why would you watch porn and not jerk off to it? Are you insane?

>>24508045
Proving this anon >>24503753 right.

>>24509010
>good yes I fuck white bitch yes with my big stubby indian cock

This but unironically

>>24507659
literal teenage introspection and it's embarrassing you share this

>>24507117
>>24503167
I like orange color doe :3

>>24509025
nah, he's a gooner

>>24509051
T. Controlled by their inner jew.

You can still save yourself, anon. Don't circumcise your soul.

I did nofap for like 2 years and it was nice BUT the wet dreams that occur every 3-4 weeks are very annoying. I feel like the most healthy option is only jerking off once every 2 weeks or something, but it’s easy to get bored and keep going

>>24502816 (OP)
is porn addiction a puritan meme or what

>>24502846
Jerking off daily, never the less multiple times a day, is not normal dude. Sure some people will connect maybe unrelated improvements, but still.

>>24502816 (OP)
No.
The only self improvement books I need are ones about practical advice on interpersonal communication/interact due to my autism.

That and maybe one on small engine repair, which I don't think counts.

>>24510745
Mostly.
There are some people with compulsive sexual disorders including compulsive porn use, but this is always a symptom of other mental illnesses rather than a primary disorder it's self.
"porn addiction" quite literally doesn't work like other addictions, not even other non-substance addiction like gambling.
To the point that it's debatable to say if addiction is the correct word for it.

That said, puritan types took over the term and ran with, along with preaching that porn always causes escalation and life destruction, despite the fact that around 90% of adult men at least occasionally view porn, all without any issue.

>>24509946
Once every 2-3 weeks seems like the healthy range, once a month would only mean 12 a year. Some people do 12+ a week, isn't that crazy?

>>24510762
I would figure escalation only applies to compulsory, addict types already. It's hard to pinpoint because dopamine and stimulus can be complex. The amount of people who can trace their fetishes to childhood cartoons, for example. The average man who will only spare time to jerk it once a week or so is satisfied with his baseline videos, where as one jerking off daily could fall into that trap of meditatively gooning and hunting new material. We can't deny escalation's role in sex or degenerate fetishes like scat probably wouldn't exist.

>>24510770
>We can't deny escalation's role in sex or degenerate fetishes like scat probably wouldn't exist.
Most people into that shit (pun fully intended) were into it before they even knew there was porn of it.
I think the escalation narrative is the result of female projection since their sexuality is generally more flexible and moldable by exposer factors than males.
With most men, there isn't really any way to exscilate them into liking scat porn if they didn't already have some sort of interest in it to begin with. It's why the demand for such porn is consistently low despite porn availability exploding.

>>24507659
I think like this.

>>24502943
OBSESSED

>>24503647
This would all just be solved by getting rid of female autonomy. You can't disprove this.

>>24502923
god, you're so fucking retarded