>The Greeks! The Romans! Instinctive nobility, taste, methodical inquiry, genius for organization and administration, faith in and the will to secure the future of man, a great yes to everything entering into the imperium Romanum and palpable to all the senses, a grand style that was beyond mere art, but had become reality, truth, life....—All overwhelmed in a night, but not by a convulsion of nature! Not trampled to death by Teutons and others of heavy hoof! But brought to shame by crafty, sneaking, invisible, anæmic vampires! Not conquered,—only sucked dry!... Hidden vengefulness, petty envy, became master! Everything wretched, intrinsically ailing, and invaded by bad feelings, the whole ghetto-world of the soul, was at once on top!—One needs but read any of the Christian agitators, for example, St. Augustine, in order to realize, in order to smell, what filthy fellows came to the top. It would be an error, however, to assume that there was any lack of understanding in the leaders of the Christian movement:—ah, but they were clever, clever to the point of holiness, these fathers of the church! What they lacked was something quite different. Nature neglected—perhaps forgot—to give them even the most modest endowment of respectable, of upright, of cleanly instincts.... Between ourselves, they are not even men.... If Islam despises Christianity, it has a thousandfold right to do so: Islam at least assumes that it is dealing with men....

>>24503492 (OP)
Read the bible

>>24503493
Where to start?

>>24503493
>Only bad ends appear: the poisoning, the calumniation, the denial of life, the despising of the body, the degradation and self-contamination of man by the concept of sin—therefore, its means are also bad.—I have a contrary feeling when I read the Code of Manu, an incomparably more intellectual and superior work, which it would be a sin against the intelligence to so much as name in the same breath with the Bible. It is easy to see why: there is a genuine philosophy behind it, in it, not merely an evil-smelling mess of Jewish rabbinism and superstition,—it gives even the most fastidious psychologist something to sink his teeth into. And, not to forget what is most important, it differs fundamentally from every kind of Bible: by means of it the nobles, the philosophers and the warriors keep the whip-hand over the majority; it is full of noble valuations, it shows a feeling of perfection, an acceptance of life, and triumphant feeling toward self and life—the sun shines upon the whole book.—All the things on which Christianity vents its fathomless vulgarity—for example, procreation, women and marriage—are here handled earnestly, with reverence and with love and confidence. How can any one really put into the hands of children and ladies a book which contains such vile things as this: “to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband; ... it is better to marry than to burn”?[29] And is it possible to be a Christian so long as the origin of man is Christianized, which is to say, befouled, by the doctrine of the immaculata conceptio?... I know of no book in which so many delicate and kindly things are said of women as in the Code of Manu; these old grey-beards and saints have a way of being gallant to women that it would be impossible, perhaps, to surpass. “The mouth of a woman,” it says in one place, “the breasts of a maiden, the prayer of a child and the smoke of sacrifice are always pure.” In another place: “there is nothing purer than the light of the sun, the shadow cast by a cow, air, water, fire and the breath of a maiden.” Finally, in still another place—perhaps this is also a holy lie—: “all the orifices of the body above the navel are pure, and all below are impure. Only in the maiden is the whole body pure.”

>>24503493
Why would I read Abrahamic drivel when I can read the literary greats, the greatest storytellers and poets who ever lived?

>it's another episode of muh ancients were better than us
They had no bombs, planes, drones, advanced mathematics, science, genetic engineering, rockets, aircraft carriers, computers, submarines, nukes, Internet, trains....
Julius Caesar used to encrypt his messages by shifting the alphabet to the right by three places -- a method of cryptography my younger brother and I invented for fun when we were kids. The ancients were retarded compared to us and I'm sick of everyone sucking them off. They lived in societies with mass slavery, they threw people into colloseums to fight to the death for fun, men fucking each other in the ass was so common that Aristotle reports that in one province they adopted this as law in order to decrease the birth rate. Apparently they so lacked self control or ingenuity to invent contraception that the only solution they saw was buttfucking.
These were barbaric savages and I'm so tired of the cope and false devotion which only serves to make yourself seem deep and cultured.

>>24503492 (OP)
These people genuinely think that a bunch of seething kikes were like "our God is real: look!" and then he just died on a cross and nothing else happened and the Romans went "well, time to upend out entire culture because of our collective guilt over subjugating the weak in a culture that just does that and never had a problem with it before". You truly think it was that easy. Nothing supernatural, no genuine faith, no conviction of the Holy Spirit. The ROMAN EMPIRE was just that stupid. Also you never present a single explanation of why such a scheme would take a step as convoluted as
>instead of using our religion to do it we will upend it by making Christ a figure who defies us constantly, grafts gentiles into salvation, rebukes Pharisees and have the Bible and the writings of church fathers be replete with mentions of our defiance against Christ and our perfidious nature
>to fool the gentiles into buying our shit
Beyond parody. Nietszche's work only functions as an attempt to find purpose after accepting the presuppositions of a world without innate meaning or morality, his actual stances on religion are comical and Reddit. No amount of cope has ever changed that.

>>24503493
dumb jeet

>>24503497
Start with the book of Genesis

>>24503523
>They had no bombs, planes, drones, advanced mathematics, science, genetic engineering, rockets, aircraft carriers, computers, submarines, nukes, Internet, trains....

humans lived for thousands of years without these things, they're not actually needed

>>24503523
Those are technological advancements that happened despite the rot, not because of it. Nietzsche’s level is one based on the culture.

>>24503492 (OP)

>>24503535
>focuses on one point and ignores the rest
"They lived in societies with mass slavery, they threw people into colloseums to fight to the death for fun, men fucking each other in the ass was so common that Aristotle reports that in one province they adopted this as law in order to decrease the birth rate. Apparently they so lacked self control or ingenuity to invent contraception that the only solution they saw was buttfucking."
Justify this part, if you think their """"culture""" was so amazing

>>24503523
they didn't even have reddit. if you tried to explain a ceasar how reddit works -with servers and computers and everything- his brain surely would explode.

I just wish that people like you would stay there though.

>>24503550
Kek

>>24503523
Bro imagine giving Caesar pot brownies hid brain would explode man woah

>>24503525
>if thing is popular it must be good actually
great minds at work here on /lit/

>>24503525
>The imperium Romanum that we know, and that the history of the Roman provinces teaches us to know better and better,—this most admirable of all works of art in the grand manner was merely the beginning, and the structure to follow was not to prove its worth for thousands of years. To this day, noth ing on a like scale sub specie aeterni has been brought into being, or even dreamed of!—This organization was strong enough to withstand bad emperors: the accident of personality has nothing to do with such things—the first principle of all genuinely great architecture. But it was not strong enough to stand up against the corruptest of all forms of corruption—against Christians.... These stealthy worms, which under the cover of night, mist and duplicity, crept upon every individual, sucking him dry of all earnest interest in real things, of all instinct for reality—this cowardly, effeminate and sugar-coated gang gradually alienated all “souls,” step by step, from that colossal edifice, turning against it all the meritorious, manly and noble natures that had found in the cause of Rome their own cause, their own serious purpose, their own pride. The sneakishness of hypocrisy, the secrecy of the conventicle, concepts as black as hell, such as the sacrifice of the innocent, the unio mystica in the drinking of blood, above all, the slowly rekindled fire of revenge, of Chandala revenge—all that sort of thing became master of Rome: the same kind of religion which, in a pre-existent form, Epicurus had combatted. One has but to read Lucretius to know what Epicurus made war upon—not paganism, but “Christianity,” which is to say, the corruption of souls by means of the concepts of guilt, punishment and immortality.—He combatted the subterranean cults, the whole of latent Christianity—to deny immortality was already a form of genuine salvation.—Epicurus had triumphed, and every respectable intellect in Rome was Epicurean—when Paul appeared ... Paul, the Chandala hatred of Rome, of “the world,” in the flesh and inspired by genius—the Jew, the eternal Jew par excellence.... What he saw was how, with the aid of the small sectarian Christian movement that stood apart from Judaism, a “world conflagration” might be kindled; how, with the symbol of “God on the cross,” all secret seditions, all the fruits of anarchistic intrigues in the empire, might be amalgamated into one immense power. “Salvation is of the Jews.”—

>>24503523
Dude romans didn't even have hardcore gangbang porn blasting directly into the eyes of small children... where would we be without Rabbi Yeshua bar David the lord and saviour... the Jews invented morality and civilization... we are nothing without them o algo...

>>24503523
Sodomy was actually unique among The White Man (aka Cave Dweller Albinoids) and has never appeared among any other race or culture. So grateful to the Jewish race for showing us the error of our ways. That's why we live on a planet free of gay sex now.

>>24503523
Few people know this but the Pope of Rome (PBUH) actually invented the internet... Pope John Paul I was the first man in space o algo... if the Jews hadn't come down from Mt. Sinai and taught the white monkey electricity we would still be farming cockroaches for food and bathing in liquid faeces...

>>24503525
lol, lmao

>>24503525
Nobody has ever claimed this. It's obvious that tyrants saw its use in the short term as a means of social control and didn't consider the long term problems. Constantine was an imbecilic paranoid who assassinated more enemies than he actually had, many of them his own family members. This is "The Great" converter of Rome, and by the time of his reign Christianity had already had 300 years to become so massively popular among slaves and women that it had thoroughly seeped into the more cucked nobles as well.

>>24503592
>>24503609
>>24503620
Christcucks actually think this. Also when they're forced to admit that Greece and Rome were superior when heathen look out for them insisting that the Celts and Germans were cavemen that were civilized by Christianity despite those supposed "barbarians" having advanced metallurgy, sea trade, complex legal codes, and extensive wooden towns. In this case it's enough to convince people their own ancestors were savages just because they didn't build buildings out of stone in the dense forests of Northern Europe. Christcucks are the most thoroughly mindraped people in existence.

>>24503620
Funny you say that because two American Jewish professors actually did invent the Internet... oops

>>24503661
Kahn is jewish and Cerf is not

Europe is the only place where Christianity could've existed for any amount of time. The ultimate cuck mind virus meets its match in the ultimate chad race. There's a reason the 3 Near Eastern churches were enslaved or wiped out almost instantly and the only two to survive were in Rome and Constantinople.

>>24503609
Oh yeah totally honest response to hearing that an ancient Greek province literally MANDATED buttsex by law to reduce the birth rate.... truly advanced culture

>>24503686
Buttsex is the hallmark of any advanced culture. From classical Greece to Edo Japan to the modern west, all civilized peoples are fond of buttsex.

>>24503686
nta but he probably made a joke out of it because it's not true and you're a dumb favela monkey

>>24503698
Not even remotely true. If it were then the Turks, Arabs, Persians, Sub-Saharan Africans, Latin Americans, South and Southeast Asians would be the most advanced cultures on Earth since they regularly engage in buttsex and consider it to be "not gay" if you're the one fucking another man's colon.

>>24503686
Yeah that didn't happen. You're a lying jew worshipper.

>>24503523
>>24503686
I'd just call this bait and ignore it but brownoids and christcucks really genuinely think like this

The jews invented aids and convinced everyone that gays are gross (women are far less hygienic in general) so we can never return to peak culture and high class butt sex ever again

>>24503492 (OP)
He refuses to engage in real analysis. His work consists of bald assertion after bald assertion with little in the way of inference or argumentation. He's a polemicist rather than a philosopher.

>>24503720
AIDS was literally and unironically caused by the Catholic Church (and other Christian missions) spending millions of dollars over decades trying to convince Africans that condoms are evil. It's too difficult to convince them to stop raping women, animals, and other men but you can easily convince them to not spend money on expensive condoms and fulfill the all-important anti-contraceptive doctrine of the Church Fathers. Christ is King.

>>24503727
>bald assertion o algo

>>24503730
Trvthnvke

Few people understand this but you actually NEED a dead jewish guy to tell you what right and wrong is. Stupid cavemonkeys aren't smart enough to understand without being told.

>>24503746
Read CS Lewis: Mere Christianity

Japan is based for keeping the concept of traps alive

>>24503727
Is the rest of Antichrist like what OP posted? If so, then you're right and I'll definitely skip that book.

>>24503757
>you have to accept that this jesus guy had to have been insane if he wasn't god in human form. checkmate atheists.
incredible

>>24503768
You haven't read the book. Read it.

>>24503774
Not him but if you're not capable of spamming excerpts like the Antichrist guy then you've lost. Nobody's gonna read a book because some seething loser online tells them to.

>>24503760
Yeah you wouldn't understand it. It'd be a waste of your time because you'd be filtered from the first paragraph

>>24503525
You've clearly never read it because Nietzsche has a complete explanation for your text in green

>>24503525
The argument frames the issue as either "supernatural intervention" or "no genuine faith/stupid Romans." This ignores the possibility that religious belief and historical processes can coexist. Many believers would argue that God works through history and human agents, not necessarily always in overtly miraculous ways that override all human choice or societal factors.

>>24503816
shut up chatjp jeet, you can't even think independently

>>24503710
>Um ackshually the societies that criminalize homosex are the most homosex
Brainlet response

>>24503820
You can't even type, retard

>>24503837
you're ban evading by the way

>>24503834
all those places have far more gay sex (and gay rape) than the first world, which is probably why they felt the need to criminalize it in the first place

>>24503840
your mom is gay

>>24503834
Holy cope. You must be one of them

>>24503834
The turd world is massively gay

>>24503703
>>24503715
>>24503719
>NOOO THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN
Yes it did. You haven't even read the basic texts of the "civilisation" that you suck off.

I cite Aristotle Politics 1272a:
>in Crete... the lawgiver has devised many wise measures to secure the benefit of moderation... and the segregation of the women in order that they may not bear many children, for which purpose he instituted association with the male sex, as to which there will be another occasion to consider whether it was a bad thing or a good one.

The Cretans literally legally via the "lawgiver" instituted buttsex to control the population size because they were too retarded to control their urges or to invent contraception. But yeah they were totally culturally superior to us...

>>24503523
This LOL. The US military would literally wipe out Rome in a matter of days. Why didn't they invent the steam engine or airplanes if they were so great?

>>24503492 (OP)
calm down

>>24504058
Nowhere is sodomy mentioned there, just segregation of the sexes. I supposes all Muslim men are homosexuals as well?

>>24504070
Nietzscheans are fucking illiterate lol

>>24504073
Point out where he mentions gay sex.

>>24504074
>in order that they may not bear many children, for which purpose he instituted association with the male sex

If that's too subtle for your tiny brain, I'll quote another translation:
>He also endeavoured, that his community might not be too populous, to lessen the connection with women, by introducing the love of boys: whether in this he did well or ill we shall have some other opportunity of considering.

Literally seething lol. Why does he give Islam a pass but not Christianity? Islam also teaches charity towards the poor, so he should hate it

>>24504058
Are you illiterate or just baiting?

Nietzsche
>*malding Romanboo rant*

Christ
>Come to me, all ye who are weary, and I will give you rest.
>As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you.

>>24504086
He doesn't give Islam a pass, he just says it "at least assumes that it is dealing with men...."

>>24504123
You're fucking illiterate I cited a conservative translation that tried to walk around the issue because it's disgusting to any civilised person and so referred to it in obvious euphemisms but since you can't read subtext I cited another translation here (>>24504081) where it spells it out for you retards.
>He also endeavoured, that his community might not be too populous, to lessen the connection with women, by introducing the love of boys: whether in this he did well or ill we shall have some other opportunity of considering.

>>24504081
>literally quoting commentary on an experiment only reported by the famously reliable Aristotle
>this is evidence that they were all gay
You might be mentally retarded desu

>>24504130
Uh oh christcuck melty

>>24504058
Can you even fucking read?

>>24504137
>>this is evidence that they were all gay
You people are literally braindead. The thing I said from the beginning is that Aristotle reported that in one Greek province they instituted buttsex as a means of population control because they were too retarded to control their urges or invent contraception. I didn't say they were all gay, you stupid cunt.
>>24504139
I'm not a Christian, I just don't worship the fucking ancients because they were retards.
>>24504143
The third illiterate now. If you can't read subtext I gave you another translation of the same passage:
>He also endeavoured, that his community might not be too populous, to lessen the connection with women, by introducing the love of boys: whether in this he did well or ill we shall have some other opportunity of considering.

>>24504153
Yeah you might be the stupidest poster on this board desu

>>24504161
lmfao, you got dunked on in every way, your caesar used a cipher to encrypt his messages that my little brother and I invented to talk to each other when we were 10 and 7 years old.

>>24504164
Uhh stop posting cringe

>>24504164
>saar me and my brovver wher smotter then caesar at seven year old saar

>>24504175
It just proves how low level everything was when the most sensitive communications by the head of the most powerful empire on earth was encrypted by shifting the alphabet three letters to the right, which is exactly what my brother and I used to do at 10 years old. A modern 10 year old could have cracked Caesar's cipher, while the ancient troglodyte spy was rubbing his head in confusion.
Compare this to modern ciphers like RSA, or even ciphers that don't require a computer to run like the vigenere cipher which was used in the American Civil War.
But we're supposed to suck these people off and act like they're so much better than us.

>>24504180
>saar hwhen i was ten years old i was smotter than caesar saar
>hwhy we are learning about dead white men saar

>>24504187
God you people have literally 1 braincell, obviously it's interesting to learn about it, my only objection was to the idea that we have to castigate ourselves in shame and act like these (let's be honest) savages who watched in glee as people fought to the death in Colosseums were somehow better than us, culturally superior, more civilised etc

>>24504197
You're not capable of understanding it.
Because you're not one of us.

>>24504197
For you "civilisation" refers to domestication.

>>24504180
>But we're supposed to suck these people off and act like they're so much better than us.
Caesar conquered for Rome and fought in battles that make our most elite SEAL teams look like pussies. Oh, wow, you you came up with the same cipher that was meant to be simple for short notice military correspondences, guess you're smarter than him because he didn't come up with ENIGMA!

The ancients are our betters, you're just some simpleton faggot reliant on Google, Wikis, and AI.

>>24503492 (OP)
Explain why the Eastern Empire lived for longer then? Also this is the same guy who simped for Al-Andalus

Nietzsche doesn't understand it because it's miraculous and supernatural. Jesus literally did rise from the dead and he was never able to wrap his head around that.

>>24504262
longevity doesn't sound like the most meaningful standard to judge things by, cockroaches lived more than dinosaurs.

>>24504273
Not just longevity. They shielded Europe from Muslim conquests, allowing it to prosper; preserved ancient manuscripts, without this the knowledge would have extinguished; gave rise to the European order (yes, Europe got Roman Law from Justinian). Need more examples?

>>24503492 (OP)
In classical Roman society, someone like Nietzsche almost certainly would have been a slave.

>>24503523
>They had no bombs, planes, drones, advanced mathematics, science, genetic engineering, rockets, aircraft carriers, computers, submarines, nukes, Internet, trains....
Wow, a bunch of jewish bullshit that only served to undermine man's autonomy and natural connections to the Earth!

>>24504463
Only overeducated redditor autists see a natural aristocrat at play, and then falsely proclaim them a slave in his imagined fantasy land.

>>24504637
Most people in the empire at different points were slaves. It's just stats.

>>24504658
Quantization is cope. There are traits inherent to the peasantry and the bourgeois and aristocrat.

>>24503655
The Raped