"People Pleasers" edition

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Please limit excerpts to one post.
Give advice as much as you receive it to the best of your ability.
Follow prompts made below and discuss written works for practice; contribute and you shall receive.
If you have not performed a cursory proofread, do not expect to be treated kindly. Edit your work for spelling and grammar before posting.
Violent shills, relentless shill-spammers, and grounds keeping prose, should be ignored and reported.
(And maybe double-space your WIPs to allow edits if you want 'em.)

Simple guides on writing:
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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whPnobbck9s
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAKcbvioxFk

Thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxQsnU8mKOw

RAPE AUTHORS

>>24506435
Using cute skinny brunette JKs with flat chests!

>>24506483
Why that specific font?

>>24506536

Daily 1000 done

10,000 WORDS

>>24506419 (OP)
From the introduction of one of my stories about loving someone so deeply that when they're taken away, all you feel is an endless and unforgiving wrath.

I stood alone in the downpour. My best suit drenched and sodden in the tumultuous rain; But I didn't care as I stared down at the grave of my beloved wife. Her name was Elmira and as I had looked it up one day out of curiosity, means "electrification of the world". She didn't light up the world but she did to mine. Every precious moment spent in her company was never taken for granted. Every kiss and hug; Every heartfelt conversation and tender touch. All the times we made love and felt each others hearts race against one another, breathed in each other's sweet breaths, marked each other with hickeys and touched one another as though our flesh was each others personal braille. And on this day, September 27th, in the year of our Lord, was the anniversary of the day her soul departed from her precious body as the thing from the forest dug it's head into her stomach and worked it's way through her insides to her heart.

>>24506707
it's been 50 days. where's your 50k excerpt?

>>24506726
>But I didn't care as I stared down at the grave of my beloved wife. Her name was Elmira and as I had looked it up one day out of curiosity, means "electrification of the world".
Useless sentence. This paragraph says a whole lot of nothing.

>>24506727
It's only been at this for four or five days. My draft is only up to 44,000 words from previous sporadic efforts. And I'm not giving up first publication rights by sharing it publicly. If you want to read it you'll have to stick around for my call for beta readers (ETA sometime in August).

>>24506748
>It's
*I've

>>24506726
The subject matter isn't that interesting and the prose is way too sloppy to make up for it.

Today I'm up about 1.5k words on my draft. I'm very happy with my recent productivity, hopefully it doesn't drop off a cliff when I get back to the wage tomorrow

>>24506759

>>24506726
Please learn how to use an apostrophe.

In the Land of the Black Sun the skies are dark and the vegetation never grows, it is always cold, no matter how many corpses the nomads pile onto the pyre, hands are always numb.

In The Land of the Black Sun, everyone act like wolves in packs, scouting, chasing, and eating the weaker and the vulnerable

In the Land of the Black Sun, whenever the rain falls down from the sky, it singes and discolours the skin of whoever it touches

Just a reminder that if you write fantasy slop you’re easily replaced by AI, which is more human than your nonsense stories about elves with magic swords engaging in a tapestry of cliches.

>>24506955
but what if my fantasy slop is about a Fantasy Police force going around trying to find a drug turning people into monsters?

>>24506967
depends. how furry is it?

>>24506971
not furry at all.

>>24507005
Fag.

>>24507005
ngmi

>>24506291
> The big made up words wouldn't appear in a thesaurus you imbecile

Yes I am fully aware of that you repulsive nigger and if you were to apply yourself when reading my post you'd have clued into the fact that I am aware of this.
> Imbecile
I write circles around you and no amount of you foaming at the mouth and chomping at the bit and stamping your feetsies in seething rage shall be changing that. Insult me you dirty 4nigger I'll have you killed.

I seem to be an underwriter. Every first draft seems to be like 30-40000 words and end up like 60-120000

>>24506726
nice theme
your prose isn't yet up to the task
>Her name was Elmira and as I had looked it up one day out of curiosity, means "electrification of the world".
this sentence structure is fucked up. ESL?
you don't capitalize after a semicolon. there might be stylistic argument for it but it's off putting and I don't know if you should trust yourself yet to go that far breaking the rules
>And on this day, September 27th, in the year of our Lord, was the anniversary of the day her soul departed
prepositional brain rape
there's a touch of sentimentality being conveyed here. I can appreciate that. your prosaic voice is awkward and feels put-on

Don't the "50,000 words in one month" challenge in less than 30 hours. Any advice?

>>24507281
>Don't
just this

>>24507281
what

>>24507281
>wrote lots of words
>incoherent
Was methamphetamine involved?

>pastebin keeps flagging my writing
what do I use instead?

>>24507403
ghostbin, rentry, catbox

https://rentry.co/zy4im7au

my writing
if you have any thoughts, please let me know

>>24506955
A Machine can also fuck your wife for you, are you going to stop doing that? Regardless as an Aryan with a pneumatic soul I can in fact do whatever I want and it will be better than any AI on dint of my having done it. You should not write about Elves, I agree--I will. I will write at great length about Elves, and I will love it.

>>24506536
Vision damage. It helps

>>24506707
>>24506714
Remember Anons, as long as you're meeting your goals and writing, you are a hero! Write at your own pace and be joyous for your communion with the Word!

>>24507445
LMAO

>>24507445
should have been a tragedy

>>24507592
wtf...

wrote this this morning while having acid reflux from coffee. it probably reads like caffenated rambles. I haven't the heart to look back over it after finishing.

But! it's 700~ words nonetheless. and that is worth a handful of "hip hip"s, possibly even a "hooray"

>>24507445
nice picture, anon. where is that?

>>24507673
no clue, not my photo. wish it were

Any of you guys ever get scared you're gonna end up posted on /r/menwritingwomen

>>24507731
the women lurking there are liable to have masturbated to my writing. trying to use a stance of superiority to shame me for writing a sexualized foid would be hollow
the men are race traitors and not worthy of acknowledgement

>>24507736
Do you insert your fetishes into your writing? I can't do it, personally, it feels like I'm putting too much of myself out there.

>>24507731
no? why would i care? the kind of women who use those subreddits or subs like MenDrawingWomen or FemaleDatingStrategy unironically all look like this.

>>24507747
>>24507731
I wish. I can get some clout and sell another book.
>>24507742
I didn't think I did, but people read my writing and immediately believed I had all these sorts of fetishes from incest to rape to redheads

>>24507742
I have a couple erotic stories with my fetishes in them but I don't share them or post them anywhere
I got complimented on my sexting so I tried writing some erotica for women. this was mostly detached from my personal tastes
I don't think I could handle posting the fetishy stuff. I can handle criticism just fine, but I feel like on that specifically it'd fuck with me

>>24507756
i write a lot of erotica/"confessional" type shit and post it on reddit to get off. catfishing, basically. i don't know what i get out of it. i get to pretend im a woman, and that's pretty neat.

>>24507760
see similar stuff posted here all the time. really gets my craw the idea of how much the person LARPing is enjoying the chuds here falling all over their half baked lie. that’s what it comes down to, right? enjoying that particular little brand of unsavoury unhealthy attention, that you’d only really get in places like this because anyone halfway normal would see right through it. yuck

>>24506726
gayyy!!
>0P TAN captcha - tanning bed gay OP

>>24507768
in /wg/? seems like the type of thing that the wwym threads would attract

currently writing a fan fiction about members of the US congress deciding they need to go fight the front lines of the ukraine war against russia. since i look up to them so much i decided to put them in a serious situation where they will surely do well and come out on top.

>>24507776
>fan fiction
what's the original universe

>>24507778
saw

I think I may have gotten rejected again. I was just looking up some submissions I sent in at the start of the month, and it says on their website that if they're interested they'll probably get in touch within two weeks. It's been more than two weeks.

Just the other day somebody was saying they were "incredibly impressed" with my work. And it was some Anon here on /lit/, so nobody I knew and nobody who had any good reason to praise me and avoid hurting my feelings. What gives? Why do I keep getting rejected if I keep impressing my readers? What's going on with the disconnect between what readers see in my work, and what editors see in it? I don't understand how I seem to be able to impress everybody BUT the people running literary journals and publishing houses.

>>24507794
why are you letting yourself get rejected? if you want to print something just print it..

>>24507794
yeah the anons here are fucking stupid as fuck

>>24507794
because morons here write shit that have no vast appeal. They bitch and moan about women romance but they write complete nonsense with no plot. They don't introduce their MC until 10 pages in, overly describe a setting nobody gives a shit about, think cursing is bad ass and communicating, and think their philosophical mumbo jumbo had any merit.

>>24507794
Perhaps you neglected to make it Reddit enough.

>>24507663
Heartburn is one word. Quite a few awkward constructions in there like: "...enshrouded in the fog of dawn's condensation" instead of just "shrouded in fog" which is much better to my ear.

The self-correcting unsure tone strikes me as a bit odd. It just seems like it is mostly quite precise in its detail, so it seems odd when the casual, uncertain parts are thrown in.

My favorite bit is the sentence saying that he sees his mother in his eye bags lol(although I would remove the appositive).

>>24507725

>>24507794
The market is immensely cruel.

>>24507794
this guy >>24507830 is clearly a mind rotten moron but there is truth to his sentiment
the venn diagram of praise worthy writing and sales worthy writing are two seperate circles

>>24507794
Lol, I've had 30 rejections over two different books. I know people who've had up to 500 rejections. Frank Herbert got 23 rejections, and even Nabokov got about a hundred for Lolita, IIRC. Pick yourself up.

My advice is pretty soulless, but remember who you're writing for. Wine moms and girls in their early adulthood. Remembering your audience is a big part of entertainment in any media, and if you want to make sales, you're going to have to come to terms with that. FURTHER: Your work might be good for the sperges on here, but editors and agents care far more about first page (and even first line) real estate. Your opening page is worth more than your middle hundred pages. That's just the way agents view it. It sucks, but it is what it is. They aren't looking for
>My father's family name being Pirrip, and my Christian name Philip, my infant tongue could make of both names nothing longer or more explicit than Pip. So, I called myself Pip, and came to be called Pip.
They want something punchy and gripping
>It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single man in possession of a good fortune, must be in want of a wife.
They effectively want a thesis statement in the first line and a hook in the first page.

TL;DR, probably your work is fine, your intro just doesn't meet their autistic opening standards OR, you're marketing it badly

>>24507731
No. But thank you for informing me. Maybe I can use this as a marketing strategy.

>>24507794
>the people running literary journals and publishing houses.
Gee, you dont think they have an agenda, do you?

>>24507731
They're just mad that my women are cute and funnyn and smart instead of insufferable childkilling whores with two digit IQs who define reality off of consensus.

Fuck women.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKBtMLOC2oU

ChatGPT, Gemini and deepseek mostly comment on my grammar and a little bit of show dont tell in my stories
I think im ready to publish lmao

>>24508218
Did you get any advice and comments from agents, publishers, or editors?

>>24508218
The machines are not good at gauging how interesting a story actually is, your chief concern is going to be appeal.

>>24508286
a publisher gave me feedback on a long story I submitted. I prefer not to deal with editors or agents

Who 5000 words here?

>>24508391
5000 words what?

>>24508391
Just hit it. Gonna keep going because I have the day off. I try to do 5k before I go to work and then whatever strikes my fancy when I get home.

>>24508135
I switched the sexes of the protagonist and the love interest secondary character because I figured a woman would sell better.

This actually turned out really well because I didn't change any of the motivations or even character traits, I just shifted around the sexes of the people involved. Vengeful Marquis whose princess bride was murdered? Okay, Vengeful Marchioness whose prince fiance was murdered. Genocidal crusade of revenge? No change. The difference is that guys love evil women and women can only relate to other women so the best of both worlds really.

>>24508459
>selling out would sell better
sky is blue, grass is green, more news at five

>>24508391
That's a big belly, but I don't think I could write 5,000 words on it. Besides, the cat would probably start biting and clawing me before I finished writing the first word.

>>24508475
If someone made me do it I'd resent it, but as I did it of my own volition I can view it as an experiment instead. How often do you get to write a hardcore chud imperialist woman?

>>24507937
nice
trees are so great

compared to other AIs chatGPT likes to suck your dick

>>24508566
>How often do you get to write a hardcore chud imperialist woman?
all feminist women are. they didn't solve misogyny, they just upped the misandry to compensate

>>24508604
Well I agree obviously, but you are not bound as the writer to write women to be cringe, you can in fact write them to be based.

>>24508591
You can tell it to stop and to give you more sober answers, but in general it's just bestt not to ask the AI's opinion about the story beyond technical aspects. It's not an entity that experiences qualia, it's a very advanced autofill. Everything that the AI says qualitatively is by definition a hollow platitude.

>>24508623
yeah makes sense. one of them ""fixed"" my story and it just bombarded the reader with emotions. every line was an emotional relevation with enourmous significance. I cant imagine anyone would enjoy reading like that

>>24508623
>it's a very advanced autofill
this
it also can't give specific answers and, obviously, can't make judgement calls. therefore everything is, as you say, just assessed as platitudinously 'good' or 'bad' in general

>>24508625
>every line was an emotional relevation with enourmous significance
post example, sounds interesting

>>24508638

>>24508651
Dialogue tags should be used with restraint, the AI never does this. Watch out for that and for trite appositives.

>>24507747
aren't most the women on femaledatingstrategy black

>>24508743
>trite appositives
the "bright and innocent" I presume?

>>24508651
that's not too bad given this is an emotional goodbye, except the dialogue tags were a bit heavy-handed, true

>>24508625
That's literally the secret to compelling fiction–evoke emotions in your reader. Autists like us may not like it, but it's what normies react to.

>>24508773
I meant "a brave lie" in this case, but really it's that there are just three in a row and by the third one I felt like the Inklings guy hearing Tolkien introduce another elf.

>>24508651
you're going for breakneck pacing here, which might be ideal; but this paragraph is a mess. INSANE even

>>24508897
unless flying a (dragon?) is already passé by this stage, I would have liked 1 page of description of what the journey is like
instead we got from goodbye to next destination in the span of 1 paragraph

>>24508897
are you giving critique to an AI post

those who can't do, teach

>>24508968

>>24507912
Thanks for reading!

The enshrouded in fog bit was me trying to be more lyrical and percussive rather than being a good writer, haha. I think if you read it out loud it has a good mouth feel. But if you the reader think it’s too clunky, you’re probably right, and thank you for pointing it out.

The self doubt part was meant to be a sort of juxtaposition. I think it’s funny for someone to go from being very precise about what they’re saying to then suddenly become doubtful of their words and look for reassurance.
But the way I wrote it, it does just come out of nowhere. You don’t get any other hints before or after that the narrator is thr self-doubting type, so you’re right, it doesn’t work.

>>24508756
that wouldn't surprise me either, i just remember a post awhile back from someone who did some digging into some of the most prominent FDS posters and they were all chubby mid white women who want to talk about how men need "value" to have the privilege of dating them. lmao. seems like a way for them to LARP as if they're the Stacys that they hated in high school/college but always secretly wished they could be.

>>24508987
>mouth feel
kys

>>24509016
storytelling is rooted in oration
if you can't write prose that reads as well as it's spoken then you're a weak ariter

>>24509026
>ariter
no really, kys

>mouth feel
is a disgusting millennial word that has no place in the dictionary

>>24509034
>insignificant typo
the point is correct
>doesn't care about the subject and is sperging over word choice
fag

>>24509034
>mouth feel is a disgusting millennial word that has no place in the dictionary
It’s not even a word, bud. It’s two words.

if you unironically use "mouth feel", unaware of how ugly it sounds, you are not an artist

>>24509151
would you say that it has a bad mouth feel?

>>24509099
doesn't matter

>>24509055
only fags use the word "mouth feel"
didn't care for the subject either

I'm not really mouth feeling this one tbqhwy

>>24508756
I believe it

>>24506707
done again

>>24507584
>be joyous for your communion with the Word!
A nice way to put it, anon!

>>24508968
>tfw can't do or teach
it's over

>>24509282
the perfect position to learn

>>24509282
time to start a youtube review channel

>>24509151
A more proper term is "euphony" for anyone curious

>>24509299
damn that's got some good mouth feel

>>24509304
Feel this *shoves my cock in your mouth*

>>24508391
Consistent output will always beat spasmodic heavy bursts

>>24507794
If your rejection letter box fills up, just get a bigger box.

>>24508135
>pander to the market
Not good advice. The "who" you're writing for is either yourself or "the reader," and the latter is just anyone who picks up your book. Your perception of what these individuals want (if you're being honest) is just an extension or possibly a corruption of what you want.
Take it from Bowie: https://youtu.be/cNbnef_eXBM?si=bX6pcl5B3nEgxT3z
>hook 'em from the first sentence
Useless advice. If you're writing for the reader you're obviously gonna want not just the opening but every word to enthrall them. Telling writers to do this is as useful as telling them to "write well."

Got any other bad advice mantras up your sleeve?

>>24508043
>the venn diagram of praise worthy writing and sales worthy writing are two seperate circles
This incorrect opinion is the product of a cope

>>24508191
Indeed. Their agenda is that even the small ones get fucking swamped with submission and so your shit is just plain old statistically unlikely to get selected.
>>>/pol/

>today's session brought me halfway to my word count goal
Feelsgoodman. I wonder if I'll go over or under

>>24509353
writing as either an artform or a communication construct is disconnected from writing as a product
you can write a romantasy billionaire rape story with concise language but that doesn't make it praise worthy

>>24509342
>Got any other bad advice mantras up your sleeve?
Be nice?

>>24509395
If "be nice" means "let the shit think without trying to clean it up" then I shall be mean

I'm almost broke so I caved in and started to write a smut novella in my free time aside from my main project. Considering how horny middle-aged women tend to be online, I'm curious to see if I can earn a bit of money that way. It has been done before. Does anyone have any experience with that? I was thinking either Amazon self-pub or some kind of serial site, though I don't know them too well.

>>24509381
>black-or-white fallacy
cope

>>24509419
Great plan bro. The markets talked about here surely aren't oversaturated

>>24509421
All the slop markets are. I'm going to win them over with my ornate prose

>>24509420
>fallacy fallacy
fallacious

>>24506419 (OP)
lads, I'm feeling scared and nervous that my novel isn't going to attract any sales whatsoever
would you read a WW2 novel about a plucky band of commandoes?

Thinking of adding a spot in my book where I say something like "If books could have soundtracks then [track] by [artist] would start playing here"
Neat or tacky?

>>24509494
incredibly tacky
could be funny in an ironic way

>>24509466
>a WW2 novel about a plucky band of commandoes?
Not based on that, no. Maybe it's too vague. Try coming up with a pitch that includes exactly what conflict(s) the band faces. Sure, they're at war, but that's not very specific.

>got a sub-10-word quick pitch down pat
It's a satirical horror about a literary vampire.
>can come up with a more robust pitch on the fly
It's a horror satire in which an aspiring author, fed up with the poor quality of her work, contracts tuberculosis to gain the vampire-like ability to steal other writers' literary talent.
>have zero free-time-lacking publishing world connections to share these pitches in the elevator with so I'm stuck dumping them on /wg/
picrel
(thx 4 any feedback)

>>24507663
Heartburn is one word
>my eye bags I mean
waste of words, it's already clear what you meant

Overall it's nice but not very gripping. This feels like a slow interlude between more active moments in the plot. The sage advice is to give your characters some kind of conflict to deal with. All your character does is explore around.
You're welcome b.t.w.

>>24507445
Nice clarity! I only read about half of it before I got bored

>>24506483
stick to>>24485944

>>24506435
This except unironically. All authors should be raped and all screenwriters should be shot.

>>24509466
It's a slightly overdone concept, but it might go over very well with older men who love that sort of thing as airport fiction. Make sure it has its own unique selling point, though.

>>24509674
In many ways it's kind of funny that primarily visual mediums like film and tv struggle to create their own voice and have to heavily borrow from literature.

>>24509016

>>24509685
It doesn't, it's just borrowing the same elements from theater that literature is.

>>24509654
>waste of words, it's already clear what you meant
bro...

>>24509698
Infinitely more theater is adapted from literature than the other way around.

>>24509700
If the reader is even half paying attention, they can tell what "they" are across sentences between which no other "they" is brought up.

>>24509704
And? Theater predates literature by a long stretch. I'd bet far more distinct theatrical performances have been held throughout history than original novels written.

>>24509708
pretty sure the point being communicated by the clarification is not the antecedent but the characterization of someone who would clarify a repeated point with an awkward "I mean"

>>24509715
The first point has nothing to do with anything, and the second is a random totally unprovable hypothetical hinging on a technicality.
I think you did not read the image that was commented on.

>>24509514
a simple story of having to fight off the Nazi hordes and complete the mission to blow up the thingy, told in classic techno-thriller / Dam Busters / Guns of Navarone style

>>24509677
>Make sure it has its own unique selling point
so far I haven't seen many current WW2 action thrillers actually

what WW2-era USP would you suggest?

>>24509718
>I'm writing a character who communicates awkwardly
it's the perfect crime

>>24509725
not my piece but it seems obvious that's what they're going for
the author, I mean

>>24509719
I posted the image. My point is that every medium "borrows" from the others, so you can pick any arbitrary reason to claim one is more influenced by any of the others. Silly goose.

>>24509722
>so far I haven't seen many current WW2 action thrillers actually
Honestly, I'm just going by my dad's bookshelf which is full of WW2 stuff, but I couldn't quote any titles. I'd guess that older people are less concerned with whether a novel is current or not, though?
>what WW2-era USP would you suggest?
You're asking a bit much of me here. Anything a random guy on /wg/ with little interest in WW2 historical fiction or thrillers could develop for you in an off-hand post has probably been done to death already.

>>24509727
That's alright. I know you're projecting your own poor practices onto that writer (and not "the author" since what he posted isn't really published.)

>>24509732
You made some rather silly and easily debunked points - as already noted - to score some contrarian cred on 4chan.

>>24507445
I have genuine contempt for anyone that writes about writing in this manner. Please write about something that isn't literally just your wish-fulfillment.

>>24509738
>basic subtext is poor practice
bro...

>>24509722
>my novel has nothing unique or remarkable
>I can't think of any recent hits that it's comparable to
A bad combo. Your prospects are indeed grim.

>>24509745
Don't worry, one day you'll move up from the basics.

>>24506419 (OP)
How long should a first chapter be? I've just realised the first scene (out of three) of my first chapter runs for over 3000 words, which doesn't seem like a great idea.

>>24509743
>story which features a succesful writer is wish fulfillment
it's not a self insertion and the story is 'about' romanticization of mediocre love
the writer stuff is just a backdrop

>>24509740
I made those points because I was being sarcastic, anon. I know these things are difficult for you to grasp but try to keep up.

This thread is too active. The ideal /wg/ thread should have 1 post every 30 minutes because we're all spending our time reading and writing. I hereby command all of you to quit the thread and go read and/or write.

>>24509760
The silver lining is that today you learned it's redundant for you to pretend to be a retard.

>>24509763
the bitter crab bucket mentality wagies just got off work

>>24509753
Since there isn't a recently-written WW2 action thriller, isn’t that unique?

>>24509763
some of those posts are in discussion of excerpts
dumb discussion, but discussion of our writing/reading all the same

>>24509759
Hiding a self-insert as a character besides the narrator/protagonist doesn't make it not be a self-insert.
>is 'about' romanticization of mediocre love
I actually thought that the story was about pursuing your dreams as a writer since it took up the vast majority of the plot from the middle and up to the end of the story. Romanticization of mediocre love, if anything, was just an element that was present in the story at some points but not what the story was actually about. This is like describing a porno as a story about pizza delivery when by the time we get to the loud fucking no one even remembers if Sins was a doctor or a plumber.
>the writer stuff is just a backdrop
And of all the backdrops that you could have come up with... You, yourself, a writer, chose... Writing...
If anything you allowed a completely irrelevant theme and trope to completely override what you envisioned the story to be about.

>>24509799
did you just tell a writer what the story they wrote is about
are you the guy who didn't understand characterization through narration
were you or were you not raised and educated in a post bush administration

>>24509814
I don't know, did I? Or are you telling me, a writer, what I wrote?

>>24509831
no, I'm asking
moron

Was writing a scene where a naive, sheltered, upper class guy goes into a brothel without realizing it's a brothel. Due to a miscommunication, the madame thinks he's gay and gets one of the gay whores to take him up.

He still doesn't get it until the gay whore tries to get the guy out of his clothes, when it all clicks, he's embarrassed, humiliated, runs out.

Problem: I got really into it, popped a semi and everything. should I just write gay porn from now on?

>>24509770
Why do you think there haven't been many WW2 action thrillers recently? They've been getting made for the past 70 years.

>>24509836
Ooooooh... You see, when people want to ask a question they usually use a question mark, but perhaps it's presumptuous of me to assume that you were born after the death of cursive in K-12 education.
>did you just tell a writer what the story they wrote is about
No. Critiquing something necessarily requires you to express your own thoughts about it and at no point in my post did I ever state that his story was about X as a matter of fact, as in not my own opinion. But even if I had what's wrong with it? At the end of the day very little that you can say is actually objective short of axioms; an implied opinion is still an opinion.

>main characters don't realize the city of gold they're chasing in the heart of a demonic empire is in fact its capital city, and they missed all the warning signs the locals tried to give them
>coaxed by their obssessive need to prove themselves, and a chessmaster promising them an army as long as they're the ones to open the gates, they decide to press onwards, reasoning it was always going to end like this

what distinguishes an idiot plot from a tragedy? Is it irrationality without reason, or a mere matter of unlikability?

>>24509886
reader literacy

>>24509886
What you described is closer to a comedy than a tragedy. If you have to use an idiot plot to lead up to a tragedy then either you're the idiot or all the your readers are for putting up with your ragebait.

>You cannot write a character that's a writer or else you're self inserting
Of all the retarded bullshit

>>24506955
Reminder that this failed "literary writer" is still schlicking her gushing pussy to genreCHAD elvish epics, both serious and whimsical, at no monetary penalty of our own.

>culture warring about writing
lame behavior
if you love writing and storytelling you're my brother
it can be schizo stream of consciousness babble, it can be a generic tolkien derived fantasy, it can be litRPG self insert harem power fantasy slop, but if you love what you're writing you deserve love in return
if however, you don't give a shit about what you write and just want to avoid working a real job, you are subhuman scum and deserve no kindness, not from me nor anyone else

>>24509952
You can give your character literally any job you want.
>failed musician and part time love hotel clerk
>whale hunter
>haunted house manager
>stenographer
>fraudulent fortune teller and conman
>hottub streamer
>experimental aircraft pilot
>student at a semeser at sea
>junkyard owner and mechanic
>professional go cart driver
>cat cafe manager
>urban explorer streamer
>security officer at a nuclear power plant
>pharmaceutical representative
Yet of all these jobs that offer excitement and interesting scenarios and meeting crazy tertiary characters, you choose to give your character a job where he sits alone all day at a computer.

>>24509685
It has nothing to do with lack of originality. Hollywood is drowning in original screenplays. They just dont want them. They think adapting a book or a comic book or a newspaper article is a safer bet because if it has a readership it will have a viewership. Which is false.

>>24509360
You say that, but then you look at submission guidelines, manuscript wish lists, author surnames, and who wins literary awards, and you realize that no, actually, there is open and flagrant discrimination going on.

>>24509952
There's a difference between writing a character that is a writer or does writing as a hobby and over-representing, projecting or self-inserting as a writer in your own story.
In the short story that you're vaguely referring to, and likely didn't read, the main character's love interest is a journalist that becomes a writer and gets really big in a matter of sentences. However writing was not actually crucial to the plot and it detracted from the author's stated intent for the story because it made it about writing for several paragraphs rather than allowing the story to remain focused on what should have been the dynamic of their love.
If it adds nothing of substance to your story then you should avoid having writers in your stories in favor of other professions or hobbies. Outside of literature adjacent fields most people do not write. There's no good reason for why a short story competition has 2 or 3 entries where some character is a writer despite the theme/character requirements not stating so. It's simply a bias that you could put on a /wg/ Bingo card.
A good example of a writer character being well executed would be Hemingway's «The sun also rises». At no point did I feel like Jake Barnes being a journalist was just a tack on from the author since his job is actually relevant to many of the scenes and him kind of just making it by in Paris is also relevant to his standing within his own friend group.

>>24509770
Pretty much this >>24509855
I'm sure if you searched up "WW2 action thriller" on Amazon and futzed with some filters you'd get a whole lot of recently published results. A problem would be if there were no bestsellers on that list (but there probably are; don't mix up not having seen something with it not being there.)
Also, your story probably does or will have some unique appeal to it. Keep working on it to get a clearer picture and read up on recent and classic WW2 action thrillers.

>>24510054

>>24509722
Post your backcovery summary

>>24510073
>judging books by their covers

>>24510060
that the man is focused on the events of his wife's career and is more of an observer rather than an agent is not an accident
>you should avoid having writers in your stories in favor of other professions or hobbies
could you not use my story as a springboard for your weird opinions and sweeping statements

>>24509952
>>24510019
My protagonist is a writer, and writing is a core motif, but not the main theme, and the plot is only tangentially about writing. So I'm probably safe.

>>24510060
>the short story that you're vaguely referring to
Did I miss something? Anon isn't replying to anyone. What story?

>>24509768
>>24509784
How dare you defy me

my protagonist is also a writer but he's not a self-insert or anything because unlike me he's actually good at it

>>24510068
DAW / Penguin:
>To this end, DAW is actively seeking new works of science fiction and fantasy written by and/or featuring people of color, Native people, disabled people, neurodiverse people, LGBTQIA+ people, and those from other underrepresented or marginalized communities.
Triada US:
>ALWAYS seeking: diversity. Race, ethnicity, gender identity, sexual orientation, ability, mentality, health, economic status, religious affiliation, all of it. The obvious shouldn’t need to be said — that I want my projects to reflect the beautiful diversity of the world, that I want to see and share with others life through another’s eyes, that I want to see these differences expressed through art and creation and culture, that these books need to be on bookshelves — but that’s the state of things. So yes, there is no question to it: I want diversity.
Book Ends Literary Agency:
>This is your semi-annual reminder that while I'm looking for diversity and own voices across the board, I am particularly interested in seeing submissions in the mystery and historical romance genres. Please send! #mswl
Knight Agency:
>Really want to find queer teen lit.
P.S. Literacy Agency:
>“Young Adult: LGBTQ+ rom com, psychological horror, a new take on vampires, a girl in a rock band, an eerie mystery.”
KT Literacy
>#ownvoices#marginalizedvoicesfriendship-based adventure a la Goonies, please! #MG #YA #amquerying #amwriting
Lynette Novak
>Seeking: manuscripts from POC, diverse authors,#LGBTQ,#OwnVoices, & all voices that have been silenced but NEED to be heard. I support you & want to share your stories with the world.
Kiki Nguyen
>No funny business, but I want more tattooed queer LIs, THANK YOU. Neck tata, knuckle tats, knee tats, lips tats, I’ll take an eyelid or two as well. I am DESPERATE.#mswl
Leah Spann, DAW / Penguin
>I am always looking for inclusive storytelling. LGBTQIA+ characters, less explored mythologies, SFF from authors of color, neurodivergence.
Elana Roth Parker
>I have never stopped looking for Black voices to add to my list of authors. If you write fun, escapist stories for MG or YA, I'm here! Currently hungry for rom-coms and light fantasy, but open to an adventure.
Lynnette Novak
>Seeking: manuscripts from POC, diverse authors,#LGBTQ,#OwnVoices, & all voices that have been silenced but NEED to be heard. I support you & want to share your stories with the world.

>>24510117
That's funny, my writer is quite bad at it, but meanwhile, I'm rather good. We're like reverse twins.

>>24510123

>>24510093
>that the man is focused on the events of his wife's career and is more of an observer rather than an agent is not an accident
Well yah, he's the narrator AND the main character. His involvement in his own story about his wife's career was not something that I overlooked. Notice how I stated that your story was about the wife's career since that's been my point all along.
>could you not use my story as a springboard for your weird opinions and sweeping statements
>>24510113
Read this >>24507445 and tell us what the story was about in your own opinion without reading anything else.

>>24510118
>nooo you can't just expressly welcome historically underrepresented voices to an industry long hostile to them! My identity isn't historically underrepresented so I feel like I'm being excluded!

>>24510019
You are right, but it also requires a lot of research to do that and people tend to do better writing what they know. Unfortunately, most people don't know much because they haven't had the experience of being a a whale hunter. And if they don't do sufficient research, the narrative will sound false.

>>24510127
I already read (part of) that and posted this >>24509663 about it. Just seems to be a lover's lament. I didn't even notice a character was a writer (maybe I didn't get to that part). Why?

>>24510136
Then you probably didn't get to it since it happens at around the middle.

>>24510129
It's discrimination. It's illegal. And I'm going to get Trump and Musk to prosecute these agents and publishers into bankrupsy.

>>24510039
I think it's also that they actually hear about the books (unlike whatever's in the slush pile of movie scripts) and there are only so many movies that can be made.

>>24510139
>smash-cut to a montage of ICE agents breaking down publishing executives' doors

>>24510138
Pretty funny that such a dull story inspired such an intense back-and-forth.

>fantasizing about the day (probably quite soon) when I'm showing my finished draft to beta readers (possibly a few from here)
oh happy reverie

>>24510118
>Seeking: manuscripts from white men, nordic authors,#straight,#boyVoices & all white voices that have been silenced but NEED to be heard. I support you & want to share your stories with the world.
Boy, can you imagine seeing something like that at just one literary agency?

>>24510153
rude
honestly I'd rather hear that my story is boring or dull than have some dude misinterpret it repeatedly and tell me what my intents for it were

>>24510162
Those pesky historians might not like that "have been silenced" part

>>24510169
In that case I'll tell you again, your story inspired nothing in me because I didn't finish it because it was boring.

>>24510172
yeah that's fine. saw that the first time
thanks for reading regardless and for not being a freak about it

>>24510169
Interpretation is up to the readers... And to be fair as far as intent goes I simply stated what you told me. If you feel like your intent is being misinterpreted perhaps the issue lies with how you told your story and not with the people that read it.

>>24510170
Neither will those pesky military recruiters.

>>24510182
Oh yeah, but nice job on the clarity. Your sentences sounded smooth and I could easily grasp the events. It's just, I didn't care about what was going on in the slightest.

>>24510186
>Interpretation is up to the readers
That's dumb, as if writers can't read their own work and as if readers aren't capable of outright misreadings.

I will not sell out, even if literally only my mom and my autistic friends read my diatribes. Fuck you.

>>24510211
basado

>>24507445
I don't like it. You write in a reddit way. Either have it said through the perspective of a guy telling a story or cut out the 'erm... y'know what I'm saying, Vern?' nonsense.

>>24510211
What constitutes "selling out?" For me, it's any kind of pandering to markets you're not a part of. Basically, any kind of writing that you yourself don't genuinely enjoy, and only put out there just because you think other people might give you money for it.

>>24510201
Writers can read their own works and delude themselves into thinking that something totally works when it does not just as readers are capable of judging a piece of writing critically while (trying) to account for a different set of biases.
Interpretation is something subjective that you may or may not back up with objectiveness as an individual.

>>24510249
the writer can fail in ability to communicate just as much as a reader can fail in ability to interpret
some writers are unclear and some readers are retarded
you get all kinds

>>24510255
Exactly, but I didn't make a negative case.
A writer is not graced by Science Claus as being the only valid source of objective truth on something just because he happened to write it. He can tell you about his intent and thoughts on his own work but that doesn't mean that it has to match with other people's interpretation of said work.

>not a single good excerpt on the thread
You guys are never going to make it
T. Bitter crab

>>24510286
ok
>continues writing and having fun anyway

Making money this way in 2016
>well, i released a book everyone
>this is my most successful tweet this month

>>24510241
This is a true story.
>meet the author of Hairstyles of the Damned
>it's a novel about punk music in the 1980s, the author was big into the punk scene back then
>he's trying to get it published and encountering all the typical bullshit that comes with querying
>MTV wants to publish Hairstyles of the Damned
>yes, MTV has a publishing division
>author is estatic. This is the greatest news ever.
>but... MTV publishing wants him to replace all those old punk bands with modern ones to appeal to younger readers
>replace the Ramones with Panic at the Disco
>replace Black Flag with Fall Out Boy
>replace The Clash with Blink 182, etc.
>it's the most difficult choice in his life
>the story stays the same, just the names of the bands and the song titles change
>with just this small change he's got a guarenteed spot at Scholastic book fairs across the country for the next several years
>they'll probably even shill his book on TRL
>ultimately he says no
>it gets published by someone else and is a moderate success

>>24510241
My book is legitimately extremely autistic and I know it will not have anything but niche appeal. I could definitely edit it down so that it sells better or write some slop for women / children but I really don't want to. All my test readers have said it is really good, but it is fairly pessimistic, pretty verbose, and fairly depressing in a way that I don't think that it would sell. It's also extremely hard to summarize for a cover letter to publishers (in 300 words) because of the way I wrote it, so I really couldn't write a letter for it that wouldn't either only tell the plot, or only tell the themes, because it's non-linear enough that summarizing one or the other either makes it sound like a collection of short stories, and adventure novel, or something that's entirely about philosophy, none of which are true.

I could linearize it, remove a lot of the stuff that makes it convoluted, and simplify it, but that would defeat the entire purpose of the theme I'm going for with it.

I hope you all had a prideful month of writing! How much queer representation did you include?

>>24510286
I don't like posting excerpts from my current big project, it's meant to be absorbed all together

>>24510308
Honestly? I'd make the changes and thank whoever was asking me for their feedback. That just seems like a cosmetic detail to me; it could be changed without compromising the spirit of the thing. Not to mention how cool it would be to have something at book fairs.
But it's Joe Meno's book, so Joe Meno's way goes.

>>24510356
>queer representation
Is this good enough for you? Is it too purple?

>>24510452
explain this bizarre formatting

>>24510321
The thing about having "niche appeal" and trying to "edit it down so that it sells better" is that doing so usually only compromises the niche appeal and makes a Frankenstein's monster with little appeal at all, whether wide or niche.
And the thing about trying to "write some slop for women / children" that you "really don't want to" is, you may or may not find success, but you will certainly find emptiness.

>>24510452
>[d:word or words]
wtf is this shit

>>24510456
red part is deleted, so ignore red part unless you want to see what was deleted

>>24510294
This is worse than anons leaving in spellcheck underlining. I'm not reading your garbage unless you have the decency to present something presentable.

>>24510462
>>24510452
This is worse than anons leaving in spellcheck underlining. I'm not reading your garbage unless you have the decency to present something presentable.

We're about an hour away from me having to write 1000 words before going on 4chan.

>>24510286
>never going to make it
already have brother

>>24510519
>not Sisyphean
ngmi

>>24510290
Fun? You idiot, it's all about making money

>>24510526
job havers?
kill this guy

>>24510522
i suppose I can make it even harder

I've been lurking around other writing forums, some obscure (but I did also poke my nose around on Reddit) and I haven't found anything else quite like the /wg/ community. It's probably just the user-to-user anonymity but whatever it is it fosters a unique and fascinating literary atmosphere. It's very cool to be part of this community.

>>24510073
In August 1939, the world is once again tumbling headlong into war. As ambassadors try to the last minute to avert disaster, So-and-so, an agent of Britain's Special Operations Executive, stumbles on a deadly secret, and races to warn the world to prepare for what's coming.

Such-and-such only joined the Royal Air Force because he liked to fly. But now a second Great War looms, and he is standing right in its path. Thrown together with So-and-so as Hitler's Panzers roll across Europe, So-and-so and Such-and-such must use all their wits and bravery to survive.

Rich in well-researched historical detail, real-life figures and experimental weapons of war, Novel is a thrilling blend of dashing adventure and loosely-inspired historical fiction in the style of C.S. Forester's Hornblower series.

>>24510534
/wg/ is pretty good
I've seen well read anons come and go, and the thread is at its best when there's less vapid retards and more people truly invested in writing, but it still has its charms at its low points

>>24510170
They won't like it, but it's factually true and a matter of legal record. If you'd like to go argue what discrimination means to the supreme court, bring a better lawyer than the Democratic Party.

Ran out of steam for the current project I was working on.
This time only made it 8 chapters. Tried to push myself by using first person POV but kept mixing up the tense and didn't really like the results.
Also as usual, because I was pantsing/doing the outlining and planning in my head, I was generating far more ideas and feature creeping the fuck out of the story then I had to ability to keep up with and write.

I already have a idea for a new story to work on. I probably should outline it properly, on paper rather than in my head, to keep everything limited. But feel a huge amount of mental resistance and rather just jump into the first chapter that I already have laid out in my head.

>>24510545
>So-and-so
>Such-and-such
Is this extremely distracting maneuver a perfectly useless attempt to distance your writing from yourself, which assumes both that a synopsis isn't enough to identify your book by and that anyone would ever actually care to identify you as a /wg/ user?

>>24510549
Politics and reality so often like to differ

>>24506955
Nah, I am writing about vampires.
AI is too much of a pussy to write about vampires properly.

>>24510561
based fellow vampfag. i'm >>24509558

>>24510554
The synopsis is a draft, and the dream is that I'd make it big enough that blowback from being a 4chud is a relevant risk. Isn't that the same for all of us here?

More importantly, do you think it has a market?
If there is - and it pays the bills at least enough to keep my head above water - I'd write the whole series out to 1945 really.

>>24507445
Seems stilted and without flow.
When I did the reading out loud test if felt weird.

Also the story was pretty boring, at least to me.

Then again I ain't a litteray critic or editor. Most of the fiction I read is typical guy stuff like pulp adventure, fantasy, and horror.

>>24510563
Interesting idea but as with most things it's all about the execution rather than the premise alone.

>>24510567
There are working Hollywood celebrities who've publicly announced their 4chan usage to zero public blowback. Even if you did gain enough notoriety (your cowardice and lack of openness tell me you won't), you would face zero real-world repercussions just for being a 4channer.
Cool the paranoia.

>>24510585
Thank you for your input.

>>24510545
Sounds gay and boring, why should I give a shit whether your guy blows planes out of the sky or whatever.

>In the style of
Who gives a shit, write in your style, faggot. Kill yourself if you are so worried about your reputation. Oh no, someone on /lit/ is going to steal my awesome idea -- if someone was good enough to steal your idea and write it better than you, you suck at writing and coming up with ideas.

>>24510577
Shoot, then I'm screwed. There's no executions in my book, only murders, deaths from illness, and murders by illness.

>>24510592
Thank you again for your input.

>>24510586
>>24510595
vile poster

>I want criticism on my trite summary that says nothing but vagueries
>No, not like that... I know, I'll play it like I didn't soak three (3) handkerchiefs when I got pushback

>>24510594
Clever, that's a good sign.

>>24510585
>you would face zero real-world repercussions just for being a 4channer.
my social circle would be disgusted. it's not about being cancelled lmao. being a 4channer is pathetic

>>24510609
You would face zero negative real-world repercussions just for being outed as a 4channer.

>>24510612
>what's true for me is true for you

>>24507445
I didn't get past the second paragraph. I'd need some sort of blurb to give me a reason to read beyond the first few sentences if you're not putting something indicating the point at the very beginning, or at least some kind of hook.

That being said there's nothing I'm less interested in than some dude talking about a woman, so it might just not be for me.

>>24510452
the second half has like five clauses that are just different ways of describing paintings. i'm not the arbiter of good taste or anything but that seems purple to me. you describe the scene, say it's like a painting, then describe what paintings are like, then describe more details about the scene, but never make that connection of why this scene is so much like a painting

i think you could make paragraph 1 end with descriptions that evoke the idea of a painting, and then paragraph 2 would make the comparison explicit. we'd follow the train of thought more naturally, and it would bring us to the pov char's reaction faster which is the real point of the analogy

>>24510713
I will simplify it a bit. thanks

Back at it again with the poker questions. So if one person asks another person to play heads-up poker, with the winner getting $1000, how would they phrase that in poker terms?

I don't think I've described any character's clothing in like 400 pages.

Stop world-building.
Stop trying to write flowery prose.
Focus on SCENES. Every SCENE has to have SOMETHING HAPPEN. Every SCENE should produce CHANGE.
This is what matters. Why do you waste your time on things that don't matter? FOCUS!

>>24510848
what about character development

>>24510848
Things don't constantly happen and that's alright if it's interesting
>But my influencer writing coach said -
Stop watching tiktoks, life is boring
>But literature needs to be exci-
No, go back to watching capeshit if you want explosions every chapter

>>24510839
Has it been plot or character relevant in 400 pages?

>>24510853
If you're not writing for Hollywood, what are you even doing?

>>24510848
>Stop world-building.
No.
World building is how I stave off bordom while at work and part of what attracted me to writing as a hobby in the first place.
I can only mentally go over a scene so many times in my head during a shift before it gets boring.
Meanwhile I can worldbuild basically forever without running out of things to do while grinding away at work.
Then sprinkle it in when appropriate as I write stories set in that world.

>>24510848
>Why do you waste your time on things that don't matter?
such as posting unsolicited advice on /wg/

>>24510848
No level of coercion can ever hope to separate the amateur fantasy writer from his walls of worldbuilding lore exposition.

>>24510866
Clothing is hardly ever plot or character relevant I feel like. Still nice to include. I'll add it in post.

>>24510868
>If you're not writing for Hollywood, what are you even doing?

>>24510875
That and intricate magic systems. I've got a friend, been working as an engineer for 7 years now, and in all that time he's been building up a magic system where there are these volcanoes/fountains that spew magic that then begins to fall dawn, and as flows down and builds up someplace that's where magic is strongest
So I ask him I asks so what's the story about and he tells me about how magic disperses the higher you go and doesn't work as well
And I says that's all well and good but what about the story and he says to me the fountains spew magic out and it descends and forms these sorts of pools where magic is stronger
There is no story, there are no characters, just how magic works

>>24510848
I checked some writing contest the other day and the rules specified that every chapter should be like 1k-1.5k words long and be engaging and have a good hook and blah blah. But when you actually start to write such an abomination, there's nothing substantial you can do in so few words. It just becomes a rushed list of action where nothing has any weight or significance. Here's X, X goes to Y, meets Z, shit happens, cut, X leaves Y with Z and goes to H, shit happens again, cut, and so on. It takes too many words to describe anything clearly, or build a mood, or have the characters properly talk about things and get to know each other, because then you won't have pages for LE CHANGE and whatever circus tricks.
I'd rather write something people can still remember 10 minutes after they stop reading.

>>24510875
Might as well write for fun, since for the vast majority there ain't any money in it anyway.

>>24510887
>every chapter should be like 1k-1.5k words long and be engaging and have a good hook
yeah I agree that you can't do shit in 1k words
>I'd rather write something people can still remember 10 minutes after they stop reading
this isn't going to happen however so it's an unreasonable standard

even for my favourite novels, I don't remember what happened in every single chapter

>>24510890
I agree with the intent, but I don't think it's a good reason not to try improving your craft. You may have given up on commercialising it, but I don't believe that anyone is uninterested in having anyone else enjoy their book.

>>24510887
You should try reading old school pulp to see how lean you can make a good impactful story despite being relatively short reads.
Forces you to pick words carefully, get to the point, make dialog snappy and full of impact.

When someone gets the hang of it the short story format can pack a hell of a lot of punch.

>>24510893
>I don't remember what happened in every single chapter
Of course nobody's going to perfectly memorize whole books. But remembering what kind of people the main characters were and what they were trying to achieve in life would be something.

>>24510900
>remembering what kind of people the main characters were and what they were trying to achieve in life would be something
yeah but you won't achieve that in 1k-1.5k

what was the overall wordcount?

>>24510899 is correct however, in short stories, literally every single word is carefully selected. that's part of the reason why authors don't like shorts; they as much time and effort write as novels but sell for much less

>>24510895
Some people enjoy complicated nerd shit.
Hell there are whole genera with tons of readers who devouer such stuff that has complicated magic systems and a focus on world building and exposition dumps instead of literary prose.

There are more ways to get/be good at writing than refined prose.
To be honist, most people find literature that is exessively focused on prose to be boring both to write and to read. Even if it's "good".

>>24510899
>You should try reading old school pulp
I've read some and they don't use pulp as a derogatory name for nothing. These stories are often hilariously abrupt and don't even try to foreshadow their twists.

>>24510906
Why should they?

>>24510906
you may be setting too high a standard for your own self

>>24510909
I've read good books by genuinely talented writers and I can't stand not being one of them.

>>24510911
This resonated with me. Some days, it takes all of my willpower not to delete all of my work because I don't think it's up to the standards I aspire to. I have to tell myself that the best way to improve is to write and refine my work, it's pathetic.

Just discovered a plot hole in my story that could be easily fixed, but it'll require removing some symbolism and metaphors that tie into the larger narrative that I really like. Should I just go on with this plot hole and hope readers don't think about it too hard?

>>24510966
Make the plot hole part of the plot

>>24510966
Nobody cares about plotholes. Citizen Kane has a glaring plothole that never bothered anybody (how did anyone know Kane's last word was Rosebud when he whispered it alone in an empty room and the nurse only entered after he died)

>>24506707
Done again, this time early, and all it cost me was my sleep tonight. Ha! Ha! Unhealthy circadian rhythm.

>>24510993
And a glaring plothole in The Simpsons is that Lisa claims there's no cane in Citizen Kane when there is, in fact, at least one cane in the film. I hope someone got fired over that blunder.

>>24510868
I'm writing for the downfall of Hollywood.

>>24510878
>what a person dresses/is dressed in is hardly ever relevant to their character
come on now

>>24510788
Maybe just gloss over the details of things you don't care enough about to do your own research for. Besides, the answer would be heavily dependent on the setting, spatial and temporal. Read a book nigga, not a sports page, not a magazine

>anon: hey /wg/ could you come up with ideas for me and/or write my book for me
>/wg/:

>>24511020
>Maybe just gloss over the details of things you don't care enough about to do your own research for
Bish I've been researching but can't find anything that answers my exact question, even you and you condescending post couldn't answer it.

>>24511024
well, what is the setting? that anon was being a bit harsh but he's not wrong

>>24511024
You can't find anything that answers your exact questions because answering your exact questions would constitute writing your book for you. Bitchass nigger.

>>24511028
Two people alone in an office, one guy asking the other to play heads-up poker with the winner getting $1000? Like my original post said.

>>24511029
Oh shut the fuck up you little cunt it's just one line I need this answer for

>>24511030
Have you considered, "Hey, wanna play heads-up poker with the winner getting $1000?"

>>24511032
haha idiot

>>24511030
Well howdy there, partner - how 'bout you and me belly up to that there table for a little head-to-head poker action? What'd ya say we both pony up, say, five hundred dollars to make things interestin'?

>>24511032
NYPA (not your personal author)

>>24511033
Sure, at this point that seems like my best bet since everyone here seems to be as clueless about poker as I am.

>>24510868
Writing something that isnt jewish propaganda.

>>24511038
Crazy thought here. If you're clueless about a subject. Either get unclueless about it. Or don't write about it. Mindblowing I know.

>>24511030
>Hey Employee 2, how's work?
>Oh hello Employee 1, it's working.
>Want to play some heads-up poker later?
>For how much?
>Winner gets $1000.
>Sounds like a plan.
>Just so we're clear, when I say "poker" I'm of course talking about the homoerotic sex game based on the card game.
>What the fuck? What the hell are you talking about? That's disgusting. I'm calling HR.
>No you're not you little bitch!
>Stay back... get off me! Help! He-!
>Who's got a reservation at Dorsia now?!

>>24510848
>Stop world-building.
Yes...
>Stop trying to write flowery prose.
Yes......
>Focus on SCENES. Every SCENE has to have SOMETHING HAPPEN. Every SCENE should produce CHANGE.
Aaaand you lost me.
A "scene" is a unit ill-defined in regular prose. In film/screenwriting, that means something very clear: a unit of continuous action taking place in a single location. Since prose doesn't have locations in the same concrete way film does, what you mean by calling any part of a novel a "scene" is as clear as ink.
This is all just another recipe for formulaic writing. "Got a boring 'scene?' Just add some 'change!'" as if writing were baking, requiring specific ingredients in specific proportions. This mentality will lead to gracelessly dull work i-m-o.
Armed with mantras like yours, I think you'll make for one successful guru while staying one mediocre writer.

>>24510848
>Stop trying to write flowery prose
crab mentality
trying is a good thing

>Fed
>Watered
>Ample rest
>Full day ahead
Let's get this bread

>>24510788
Just say that they're playing for a $1000 pot, the type of poker is redundant since it's safe to assume that it's heads-up due to there only being two players. What goes on in the match is far more important in terms of making it compelling than the simple invitation that led up to it.

Semen retention has skyrocketed the quality of my prose

>>24510868
Hollywood isn't even writing for Hollywood anymore. The last decade has been nonstop bad flicks, slop produced by committee to chase blackrock investment money.

Well all that's gone. As of this year the entire system of state-funding for DEI cuck shit has been eviscerated. You can already see it happening, overnight half of the big TV projects and film projects died. They're pivoting hard to try and go back to the audiences they used to have, and people are reluctant to patronize them because they can see how cynical it is.

You're actually FAR better off being an outsider who doesn't fall into the Hollywood overton window, because when they try to pivot away from that, they might end up landing on you. People say I'm crazy when I say this, but they also said I was crazy when I said that all this faggot tranny vitiligo fantasy shit was totally astroturfed, and look at that, I was fucking write and they were all wrong.

It's a great time to be a writer, even if it doesn't seem like it just yet.

>>24510911
and I want to fuck Anya Taylor-Joy, but we both know that's not going to happen

What word processor do you guys use? I've been using Word, but it's recently just started crashing randomly like 5+ times an hour. What do you fellas use? Onedrive is so handy but idk wtf is wrong with it

>>24511474
Scrivener. Once I gave it a shot, it became impossible to go back to a regular ass word processor

>>24511097
Clarity is a vastly superior goal compared to floweriness

>>24511512
>Scrivener
Seems like the only good reason to delve into an app like this is if you're self-publishing and too poor to afford a pro typesetter who knows the designated Adobe product (I think it's InDesign).

>>24511474
Google Docs is plenty for me for now. I need no frills, just to get words on a page.

>>24511660
>Seems like the only good reason to delve into an app like this is if you're self-publishing and too poor to afford a pro typesetter who knows the designated Adobe product (I think it's InDesign).
Not really, I just like the organisational tools in it. I also use it for work (journalism).

>>24511635
the value of one thing doesn't negate the value of another
beautiful language is a worthwhile thing to try for

>>24511114
What's your secret? How do you control it? I fail it longer than 3 days.

>>24511667
Beauty in literature is generally perceived through comprehension. You shouldn't try to make your prose flowery, especially if you can't come up with any more euphonic adjectives than "flowery." You'll only end up mired in circumlocutions. Focus instead on keeping your writing prosaic while reading more books, and your prose will grow "flowery" almost on its own.

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>>24511784
nigger I was replying to someone who used the phrase initially
you're always such a smarmy cunt. it wouldn't hurt you to engage genuinely instead of always taking a stance of pretension

>>24512022
abloobloo