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>>24501975

>Thread Question:
What books are your guilty pleasures where they are objectively bad, but you still enjoy them?

Bakker is king

>>24500592
>George I would say got way freakier in A Game of Thrones than Bakker did in Darkness.
Anon TDTCB has pederastic rape right in the prologue, and one of our central characters is a serial rapist closeted faggot introduced to us with a scene where him being unphased mass rape of POWs by the opposing side makes him the most reasonable commander for his side. Another central character is a prostitute who's to smart to be numb about it. The minor antagonists (Ikurei Xerius and Sarcellus) are mostly characterized by their explicit incestual relationships with their parental figures, and the overarching antagonists (Inchoroi) have rape as their singular defining cultural characteristic.

It's also always much more graphic.

>>24507987 (OP)
>What books are your guilty pleasures where they are objectively bad, but you still enjoy them?
All of the sanderslop

Do we REALLY need another one of these threads?

I'm four chapters into Memories of Ice and it seems... Erikson... has developed a passion for... ellipses...

>>24508020
You stupid or something?

>>24508023
he also developed a more cohesive story which is much appreciated

Read this
Thank you for your attention on this matter.

>egwene forced to become a sub and is mindbroken by a dominatrix that has her on a leash
Bobby's barely-disguised fetish

hot

>>24508033
I dunno. Is this slop?

>>24508050
Just look at the cover..

>>24508051
You make a good point. Maybe I'll read it.

>>24508056
I'm telling you it's slop anon

>>24508070
Maybe he WANTS the slop, anon. Every think of that?

>>24508080
>Every
*ever

fucking hell

How long until this thread degenerates into /pol/slop posting again?

>>24508083
You mean posting of dumb unofficial illustrations for a science fiction series that literally no one cares about?

>>24508089
careful now, I'll start talking about red rising

>>24508089
no one's gonna stop talking about red rising just because it makes you sperg out, anon

red rising hour is it?

>>24508083
>>24508089
waaaaaahhhhhh people are posting things I don't like!!11!1!!! Shut up you pussies its a genreslop general on a dead board no one gives a fuck anymore.

>>24508089
>>24508098
horse

>>24508089
keep bitching about it and i'll start posting the same pictures again just to piss you off specifically

RISE UP! r/REDRISISTERS!!!

>>24508108
Kek, riseniggers absolutely BTFO

>>24508108
I ignore this part of the fanbase entirely. I simply pretend they do not exist.

>>24508114
>>>>LALALALALA I'M NOT LISTENINNNNNNGG LALALALALALALALALA BLINGBLONGBLINGBLONGBLINGBLONG I CAN'T HEEEEEAAAAARRRRR YOOOOOUUUUUU

mental illness

>>24508119
I do this

>>24507987 (OP)
Man, I used to love Eragon when I was like 14-15
But the 4th book was so shit it's insane

>>24507987 (OP)
Spoiler that! Jeez.
Uncanny sussy dragon.

>>24508033
>anti-hero
Eww

It's not just here. I've noticed a lot more red rising related tiktoks the last few weeks

>>24508013
If I join the LDS and start writing, can I harness the Mormon Mafia to publish and sell? Card and Sanderson are great examples, do they only allow so much Brigham Youngslop in a certain period of time or is it a free for all?

About to start reading Coldfire and I just saw there are two prequel books... Does anyone know if it's best to read these first or last? They were published way later but google says to read them first...

Man I fucking hate what modern sci-fi has done to people. Reading 60s sci-fi and seeing how imaginative it is. Talking to a work colleague about some of the really cool cultures and inventions they have in this book and he says, 'that doesn't make sense scientifically'. Bro shut the fuck up just enjoy something for once. In reality we're never leaving this planet in significant numbers let alone this solar system so why the fuck does everyone sperg out about how 'accurate' the science is in a novel from 60 years ago?

>>24508486
Last. Published order is best order. I've read them. If you want more detail let me know.

>>24508555
You may not realize this, but the contemporaries of that time were just as concerned, if not more so, about scientific accuracy for the most part. It's simply that they thought what they were writing at the time was reasonable.

>>24508555
>Talking to a work colleague about thing I like
>That's dumb
It's your own fault. Coworkers are not your friends.

>>24508009
>muh determinism

>>24508555
Yeah, everyone became aerospace engineers and relative physicists.

>>24508383
you'll have to marry their sisters first

I haven't read eragon since middle school so I fired up the audiobook to pass time during my commute but I couldn't even complete that because 1) it's a much worse book than I remember and 2) the narrator's chosen voice for saphira sounds like a really fat yoda

>>24508555
blame le science is gospel and atheism redditors for that. We live in peak midwit timeline.
We need to go back to the unexplained and mysterious. It's far more interesting.

>>24508701
Eragon may be the lowest rated book relative to how many ratings it has in /sffg/.

>WTF!? This YA slop is actually SHIT!?
Always has been.

>>24508709
you're in /sffg/ you have no right to be all high and mighty about slop

>>24508707
>I prefer to be ignorant

>>24508709
YA is all over the place. You can't compare something from 20 years ago to modern publications.

>>24508709
Some YA stuff is pretty good. Sabriel comes to mind.

Eragon ain't it. The 15 y/o who wrote it absolutely had some sort of "in" at a publishing house to get it printed.

>>24508717
We may all be swine at the trough, but that doesn't mean we have to wallow in our own filth.

>>24508733
His parents owned a publishing company which is how he got it published so young

>>24508717
>Implying many works of science fiction aren't philosophical masterpieces
Faggot

>>24508717
>blocks your path

>>24508683
#2 please thanks

>>24508383
I know an ex-mormon lady at my church who used to compete with Card for scholarships and he always beat her. She joked not getting backed by them was the only reason she was able to leave the church. I've also met a [really pretty blonde] girl in Sanderson's class. She's currently fucking off in South America on a mission, but she framed herself as a teacher's pet of his, but even by Sanderson's own admission only like 3 or 4 people in any year of his class will ever be successful authors that can make a living, and almost none of them will make it as big as he did. I have her on instagram just in case she does get big though.

Mormons really do help their own though because once you get your books into the mormon bookstores (Deseret Bookstores) you can develop a strong base that will always stay loyal so long as you don't apostatize and if they think you're hot shit they'll force you hard to further entrench mormon influence on the zeitgeist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTQLxR2ggUg This video is pretty good on the topic of the mormon scifi-fantasy circlejerk

>>24508754
you were in Sanderson's writing class? What was it like? What was he like and what do you write?

>>24508020
Two days ago there was a nice discussion of A Canticle for Leibowitz.
Unfortunately, it didn't take place in the sffg...

>>24508754
Jack London and Arthur Conan Doyle did well in depicting them as evil.

I hate mormons.

Orson Scott Card sure does write about incest a LOT

>>24508775
He had a disabled son. Make of that what you will.

>>24508766
I wasn't in his class; I go to another uni for engineering. I watched all of his lectures this spring because I met to the girl who was in his class this year (we were both flying home for Christmas through SLC). I do have some aspirations to write fantasy when I'm not writing scientific papers. The lectures are interesting but very generalized. Sanderson's focused on teaching his students what tools and techniques for writing exist and how they need to figure out what fits their writing style.

>>24508788
Man, what does that have to do with anythi-OOOHHH... Oh nooo...

>>24508794
Remember: good writers write; bad writers teach.

>>24508807
Are you implying that Sanderson doesn't write?

>>24508807
get a man who can do both

What are you QUEERS reading? I'm still working through my third read of Blindsight while finishing a visual novel and working slowly through a second. I even read two separate manga the past two days.

China is now arresting danmei writers in large numbers and sending many to re-education camps to instill traditional family values.

>>24508857
Can we do the same with the people in this thread? Except for me, of course.

Other than Jack Vance, what other authors works feel the most like a Moebius comic?

>>24508754
3 or 4 each year making a living off it is a huge over estimation. There's only like 1000 authors in the English speaking world that sell enough to make a living off writing each year, and almost all of those are the same as the previous year.

>>24508977
Moorcock's Hawkmoon gives me strong Moebius vibes

>>24507987 (OP)
Fuck he is good
>When people dis fantasy—mainstream readers and SF readers alike—they are almost always talking about one sub-genre of fantastic literature. They are talking about Tolkien, and Tolkien's innumerable heirs. Call it 'epic', or 'high', or 'genre' fantasy, this is what fantasy has come to mean. Which is misleading as well as unfortunate.
>Tolkien is the wen on the arse of fantasy literature. His oeuvre is massive and contagious—you can't ignore it, so don't even try. The best you can do is consciously try to lance the boil. And there's a lot to dislike—his cod-Wagnerian pomposity, his boys-own-adventure glorying in war, his small-minded and reactionary love for hierarchical status-quos, his belief in absolute morality that blurs moral and political complexity. Tolkien's clichés—elves 'n' dwarfs 'n' magic rings—have spread like viruses. He wrote that the function of fantasy was 'consolation', thereby making it an article of policy that a fantasy writer should mollycoddle the reader.
>That is a revolting idea, and one, thankfully, that plenty of fantasists have ignored. From the Surrealists through the pulps—via Mervyn Peake and Mikhael Bulgakov and Stefan Grabiński and Bruno Schulz and Michael Moorcock and M. John Harrison and I could go on—the best writers have used the fantastic aesthetic precisely to challenge, to alienate, to subvert and undermine expectations.

>>24508555
>In reality we're never leaving this planet
In reality AI will rewrite the entire nature of reality, including the fact that we'll never leave the planet.

>>24509126
Nice religion you have there.

>>24509093
>>24508977

Glory Road by Heinlen has that vibe a little too

>>24509131
i'll be sure to check it out

>>24507987 (OP)
>What books are your guilty pleasures where they are objectively bad, but you still enjoy them?

Kothar

>>24507987 (OP)
I started reading The Laundry Files a week or so ago because I saw someone on here ask if they were any good. I'm really enjoying them so far. I fucking love urban fantasy and I thought I'd already read everything that was worth reading.
Good shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3khiH5M4LLo
hail mary bros...
i hope this will be a 2 part movie

>>24509214
>2 part movie.
You're the problem. You're why we can't standalones. Every movie should be a trilogy! Yes, it was a standalone book, but that means nothing. The run time is as long as a TV season? Unacceptable. If a movie can't tell a complete story in under 2 hours it's an utter failure of storytelling.

>>24509224
i'll be impressed if they can manage the whole book in quality at sub 2 hours

>>24509214
go back

>Have 30+ books to read
>Bought another one just today
This is some kind of mental illness... has to be.

>>24509244
I’m the same and it’s with games too. Overconsumption and being spoilt for choice does not work with our caveman brain. I’ve had to try and stop myself especially because I use an e-reader and the ebooks are always dirt cheap too and on sale.

>>24509131
kek, that book is an unintentional parody.

>>24509244
>30+
>not 100+
Get out of here, casual.

>>24509244
Do you plan to stop reading someday?

>>24509265
I'm only counting stuff I've bought in the last three months. If it's counting everything I have it's probably closer to like, 400+

>>24509268
I'm not even planning on starting anytime soon the way things are going.

>>24509254
>>24509269
>>24509273
Oh I understand if it's more of a money/financial concern.

What the fuck was Clarke’s deal with this? It had a great premise and setup. The technology use is fantastic. And then there is the cuckolding subplot, the casual references to incest and possibly pedophilia, a whole bunch of homoerotic bullshit, and everyone is a fedora-tipping atheist. The society from both human groups is dystopian although I’m sure he didn’t intend it to be. And then it ends with
>Oh yeah, the planet might have intelligent life already, see ya!
None of his other works are so fucked up. What happened?

>>24509275
Meh, I just keep buying books, movies, tv shows, games that I'm fully subconsciously aware that I'll probably never even bother with let alone finish.

Can a person develop ADHD later on in life? I don't think I've always been this way.

>>24509269
Make a list of your books, anon. One of these days you will buy a book you already had and you won't notice until it's too late.

The Logos is without beginning or

>>24509290
>One of these days you will buy a book you already had
Uhhhh.... I have dual copies of physical and ebook titles.

>>24509298
Good, so do I. But these things happen.

>>24509289
I've had relationships definitely strained because of how many physical books I have lining my walls and stacked on the floor. I refuse to get an e-reader. I need to hold the physical object and read it that way. I have a stack of paperbacks by my bathtub that I don't care get damaged. Often they spill out, covering the entire tile floor. My hardback collection sits around and above my bed piled up and almost falling on my head or anyone sleeping with me. But it's all worth it to not be a pleb.

>>24509289
I did myself a favor and started pirating books and then buying physical copies of the ones I actually read. Then I loan them to my friends so they can get the appearance of having been used.

I have like 100 books in one folder on my computer and probably like 20 audiobooks on my phone.

>>24509289
>Can a person develop ADHD later on in life?
that's literally GRRM

>>24509244
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsundoku

>>24509335
>I've had relationships definitely strained because of how many physical books I have
Get better relationships, mate

I don't know how to cope with the high probability of Crossroads of Ravens not matching the rest of my Witcher set

>>24509087
>There's only like 1000 authors in the English speaking world that sell enough to make a living off writing each year,
I wonder how many people are making decent cash from the royal road -> patreon method

>>24509230
Is it that much longer than the Martian?

https://youtube.com/shorts/k8m9Pc7wcD0?si=PZcZI_Kks3nSAaN8
is his book recommandation on epic fantasy good or its normalfag bad shit?

>>24509520
>calls both of the first books "truly brilliant" within 10 seconds
>close the video

marenovum.substack.com/p/xx-this-is-our-lives-now
I'm finished, like Daniel Planview
Was the words good?

>>24509498
As of mid 2024 source I could find, only 25 fiction authors on Patreon make more than $1k/mo

>mfw Adolin doing Unlimited Blade Works in Wind and Truth

>>24508023
>Memories of Ice
incredible book

>>24508683
For some reason that one in the red dress makes me wanna pump her full of babies

>>24509335
please get a dedicated room with a bookshelf anon holy fuck

>>24508683
Mormon women look like that!?

>>24509244
I got like 1000 books on my shelves that I haven't read. Which is like 15 years of reading for me, minimum. Slowly getting through them though. I do own a decent amount I'll probably end up dropping so that will cut the time down a bunch.
>>24509591
There's no way that's accurate. The number probably isn't that high but it is surely above 25 people.
>>24509520
Normalfag bad shit except maybe Jade City. I wouldn't trust this person to recommend a good book on purpose.

Chinese system slop mostly.
Some are still too shit even for me like anything about "why are you crying now that i'm doing so well" stuff they stole from the japanese leaving the party fad and some are too dumb even by the mindless fun standard, but aside from that a lot of them are enjoyable if you go in knowing what to expect.

>>24509969
>>24509929
>>24508683
They're from "Secret Lives of Mormon Wives," and they're all sluts.

>>24508751
What is he counting?

Is the Ranger's apprentice series good? Someone gifted me their old copies of the first four (4) books

Loking for some slop to read, but I refuse to pay $20-$30 for something called Dungeon Crawler Carl.

>>24510333
So pirate it you fucking idiot

>>24510333
https://litter.catbox.moe/9zctzbk6zaynx7qy.epub

Read my book!

>>24510334
no tengo vpn

>>24509591
>>24509498
https://graphtreon.com/patreon-creators/writing
https://graphtreon.com/patreon-creators/adult-writing
There are other sites and methods as well.

>>24509591
how is this possible

>>24510337
>>24510333
I imagined actively seeking out slop and shuttered.
Then I imagined actually writing slop and using some ai image for the cover. I feel sick to my stomach. Maybe there actually is a finite number of souls in the world.

>>24510346
Why would you need a VPN? Surely your ISP hasn't blocked everything.

>>24510357
>>24510348
It isn't.

>slop slop slop
who keeps linking /sffg/ directly on social media platforms so more newfags can shit up the place?

>>24510358
the cover is that bad?

>>24510379
You really ought not be asking that of someone who'd insult you like that because your existence is irrelevant to them, let alone your work, so they have no problem causing you unlimited suffering for no reason.

>>24510388
it'll be good to know if it's a bad cover so I can do better next time.

>>24510401
As far as self published covers go I think it's pretty good

>>24510404
well thanks. I appreciate that.

>>24510217
maitz

If the whole Bene Gesserit thing was that they plant these stories to make it seem like providence as a means of control, why does a lot of what ends up happening seem like some shit that couldn't have been implanted without some of them being able to actually see the future?

>>24507987 (OP)
I like pronouncing Eragon as "Ee-rag-in" because it shows how stupid it was.

>>24510487
If it's vague enough and the people are willing to go along with it, then anything is possible, no seeing the future required, especially if it's altered over time.

What did I think of Gideon the Ninth /lit/?

>>24509909
everything with adolin was surprisingly kino in that book

>>24510535
I don't read books about dykes

>>24510535
if it has lesbians like >>24510559 is crying about then I'm in will be reading soon

>>24510575
just watch porn bro lol

>>24510576
freshly gooned my friend, still on board

Adolphus Murtry did nothing wrong in Cibola Burn until the authors realized his position was entirely understandable considering the circumstances and made him go off the deep end for the sake of the plot

>>24510535
you thought it had cool worldbuilding but were moderately irritated by the levels of YA quippiness. you will enjoy the sequel more.

Only halfway through Dark Age so I don't know what is going to happen with Darrow or anybody else going forward but Red God as a book title just sounds kino as fuck

>>24510602
The first 200 pages or so of Dark Age was insane. I truly didn't expect it to come out the gate like that.

>>24510346
only need vpn for torrents, direct downloads are safe from spying isp eyes

>>24507987 (OP)
>What books are your guilty pleasures where they are objectively bad, but you still enjoy them?
Bad in the sense that it's slop. But Dan Abnett (of Warhammer 40k) writes good slop. In fact, he's better at writing slop than that mormon dude: >>24508013 He just doesn't have a church to back him up.

>>24510535
It's very YA

>>24510535
>LGBT
>lesbian
>queer

I'm enjoying this book

>>24507987 (OP)
>What books are your guilty pleasures where they are objectively bad, but you still enjoy them?

>>24510652
awooga certified?

>>24510617
what site has direct downloads that aren't torrents?

>>24510666
holy lurk moar

>>24510666
fuck it ill spoon feed him you got to learn this shit from somewhere so I'll be the one to grant you the sacred knowledge. You're looking for libgen, zLib or Anna's Archive among other websites.

>>24510669
gatekeeping faggot

>>24510678
Thank you

>>24508013
I enjoy sanderslop but that 5th stormlight book was so boring I gave up for good. The 4th one took 3 tries to finally get through it and for what?

>>24510692
happy reading

What are some fantasy books that you feel have the most artistic merits? Basically books that aren't just genre fiction.

>>24509131
I love Glory Road.
>>24509262
I think it's very intentional, considering how many references to John Carter of Mars are in the book.

>>24510619
I fuck with Gaunts Ghosts

>>24510303
keep in mind I primarily read them when I was in the intended age bracket, but yes
a bit like Deltora Quest in that there's still enjoyment when you're older, but you'll be able to see where the plot is going and where things are a little flat at times

>>24510619
>Bad in the sense that it's slop. But Dan Abnett (of Warhammer 40k) writes good slop.
How good are these for new readers to 40k? I'm playing the Rogue Trader game for the first time and enjoying it and want to get more into 40k lore.

>>24510821
I haven't read Gaunt's Ghost but Caiphas Cain is pretty good.

>>24510348
>$77k/month for a webnovel
Damn. I wonder how many tradpub authors have seethed at this

>>24510915
The bar for erotica is very low. I wrote a few erotic stories and they got far more attention than any of my normal stories.

>>24510575
>lesbian!
>necromancers!!
>in space!
XD

>>24510821
Gaunt's Ghosts? Very good. It runs through the story of an Imperial Guard Regiment.

It's the first book ever published by the then-newly established Black Library. It's called First and Only. :) Gaunts' are slightly inspired by a historical novel series.

Cain novels are a bit comedic, if that's what you want.

And if you want a 'rogue trader' novel you can try Eye of Terror by Barrington J. Bayley.

>>24510738
>wolfe
>artistic merits
Read some actual literature

>>24511161
What's your favorite sff work, anon?

>>24510559
I'm sorry you like men

>>24511173
King of Elfland's Daughter

>>24510928
The one I'm referring to (Primal Hunter) isn't even erotica as far as I know. Just a litrpg webnovel.

>>24508754
>This video is pretty good on the topic of the mormon scifi-fantasy circlejerk
It would be good if she didn't spend the majority of it vindictively shitting on Mormons. I get it and I'm not religious myself but damn stick to the subject nigga

Anyone else read? It's a really weird, bad acid trip that somehow manages to just keep scale creeping itself. Self aware and satirical, but not the namby-pamby faggoty kind. Inexplicably written by a woman.

5/5, would WTF again.

>>24511312
>Anyone else read?
We don't do that here

I'm about six books deep into Wheel of Time so far here are my rankings:
The Shadow Rising>The Great Hunt>The Fires Of Heaven>The Dragon Reborn>The Eye of the World

>>24511391
Good list. 4 is my favorite in the whole series but 6 is a close second.

>>24511312
TORPEDO TITS

>>24508843
>23 hours later
>nobody in the thread is reading
what a surprise

>>24511586
I saw that image and immediately ignored it because I associate it with low effort spam posting. I am reading house of chains and enjoying it a lot.

>>24510576
no thanks i hate 3d
recommend me some goonslop romantasy novels with lesbians and/or necromancers boinkin' each other

>>24511586
I'm not a queer so why would I read it?

>>24508843
I am shamefully reading web novels. I mustn't post them in this thread.

Is there any fantasy television worth watching right now or is it all shit?

>>24511709
It's all shit.

>>24511709
More sci-fi but the new season of the foundation is out soon. I really liked the first two seasons

>>24508108
Willing to bet his willy is in a cage.

>>24511696
That futa drow one that gets posted a lot satiated me well enough.

>>24511603
Same. I really loved how the first part drops you into a new plotline that slowly hooks more and more into the world and storylines I was already familiar with. I loved being reminded of previous books in a way that's not an exposition dump, but it also expanded on what I already knew and made me see previous characters and events in a different light. It's just a shame the series is so voluminous I might not ever get to do a reread because It'd be cool to go through and see all the allusions and foreshadowing I missed the first time through.

Come here if y’all want to talk about Star Wars books: >>24510040

There’s also a chronological list of every Star Wars book/comic/etc. that takes place after Return of the Jedi.

>>24511781
just use the /tg/ general for sane Star Wars discussions.

>>24511312
I have not but I read Rats and Gargoyles by the same author and it's weird as hell and I loved It.

>>24511756
Share it, man

>>24511762
Yeah that’s why I’m liking it. I’m at the point now where it’s passed Memories of Ice and all the characters are reacting to the events of it. I’ve just met the haughty high elf equivalents and I’m enjoying getting more lore and context around them and bit by bit the world and these books are clicking.

Understand as well about the size of it for a reread. I will do it myself but I will need a break. It’s taking me about a month per book and my planned reread will have me doing the prequel and tie in books to understand it more. I’m excited at details on a reread but also dreading I’ll spend an entire year reading Malazan.

>>24511312
>Inexplicably written by a woman

>>24510740
>I think it's very intentional
No, it's just shit.

>>24511814
The book is about nearly-all-male orcs going off script using Vietnam-era equipment that shows up through a portal. Heavy on USMC references and machismo.

>>24511820
In that case, Mary Gentle should be the only kind of woman you'll love.

>>24511809
Don't want to be cried shill

https://www.scribblehub.com/series/1084494/kono-drow-exile/

I guess I'll drop a review too.

Good pacing, good sex (very good sex honestly). The action is surprisingly well thought out for webslop our protag wins out through guile rather than strength, and the two MCs are interesting. Writing is also good, if armature in a few places you can tell there's potential from the writer. My main issue is that it's unfinished, but these things work in arcs so you get 2 good short stories out of it.

>>24507987 (OP)
10 years ago today the first thread with sffg in the subject line was posted.
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/6764382

It wasn't the first science fiction fantasy thread, but it was the first to be sffg.

>"On impulse, I pull out my razor and I am about to deliver him the Peerless scar when he stops my hand. “I know what I am.”

>>24511826
>last update September 2024
And this gets posted a lot here somehow? Is the author a lurker?

>>24511851
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/23686675#p23694341

>>24511826
I was actually reading this one as it was being written. The second arc with the soft reboot was a clear improvement over the first. Shame he abandoned it.

>>24511846
But RISE. Darrow. DID.

>>24511842
>scroll down a few posts
>bakker seething
Some things never change

>>24509244
>start to read book
>begin looking up other books to read
>get bored of current read
>go out and get new exciting book
>get bored of it when attention is drawn to another book
>cycle repeats

>>24511946
ADHD.

>>24511842
Comfy.

Does Red Rising have any waifus

>>24511972
Yeah

>>24511979
victra > mustang

>>24511946
Yup, that's me to a T there anon. I'm right there with yah.

Just finished Red Rising. What did I think of it, and what will I think of Golden Son?

>>24511979
>>24511984
Cute. Okay I'll read

>>24512018
>Just finished Red Rising. What did I think of it,
It was an okay YA Hunger Games knock off.
>and what will I think of Golden Son?
Space opera kino

>>24512018
Hydrogen bomb vs. whooping cough. Golden Son shits all over Red Rising.

>>24512018
Gay trash. You're sincerely considering following through on a suicide attempt as a result of having read such absolute tripe. You're really, really, REALLY disappointed in yourself to the point of sheer disgust.

>>24511972
not only are there waifus, but they have best boys/husbandos too which I cannot post most for spoiler reasons

I'm sorry for the meme format. I'll give my actual opinion. I finished it last night.
I enjoyed it for the most part, and was really engaged up until the last 100 or so pages when I felt like the ending was rather formulaic. I enjoyed the tension that Julian's death caused for the subsequent chapters. When I found out the proctors were rigging it, I thought "oh yeah, that makes sense, in sequence with how the laurel was rigged in the very beginning amongst the Reds. But everything after Cassius' betrayal was kind of lackluster and predictable. The part where they're storming Olympus was cool though. The Mustang romance felt really forced and was the most YA thing in the book. I had guessed wrong and assumed that the Jackal was the one who killed her brother, but even the reveal that they're family never gave me any doubt that Mustang would remain loyal. I liked that the Cassius bromance didn't survive, even if I feel bad for Darrow that it didn't. And at the end of the book, I didn't think he'd actually accept Nero's offer and would turn head and go with the Rage Knight instead. I'll definitely read Golden Son though to see where it goes from here.

I'd give it a 7/10.

>Bakknigger replaced by an idiot posting the same illustrations of the same novel over and over again
I take it back, I prefer Bakknigger.

>>24511958
theres just too many interesting books I want to read :(

>>24512078
and your faggot whinging contributes so much to the thread

>>24512078
>t. Bakknigger

>>24511984
victra anon, we get it. you hate the horse

>>24512078
What would your ideal sffg look like then retard?

>>24512071
Red Rising is easily the weakest of the series so it's only up from here.

>>24512071
That's about my rating for Red Rising. It only gets better from there.

>>24512118
He only wants to talk about Vance's works or King of Elfland's Daughter. He'll pretend to be an expert on both

>>24512118
Sincere discussion of various works and the lack of spamming the same drawings for three consecutive threads straight.

>>24512086
Read, but not finish.

>>24512112
That's another brave soldier taking up the fight, not me.

>>24512071
That's a fair assessment, red rising is the weakest entry. It had to be YA to get published
>Golden Son
I wish I could feel the whiplash going from red rising to the rest of the series again.

>>24512138
>I wish I could feel the whiplash going from red rising to the rest of the series again.
Same. I also like how the author baited us on in the beginning, with Darrow now being at space school and part of another tournament thing only for it to be over in like two chapters and the plot being completely different than the average YA sequel.

>>24510648
these were fun, enjoy Anon

>>24511862
Which second arc? The griffon bit or the tomb raiding murderous amelia bit? The griffon stuff was very strong, but imo the tomb stuff felt poorly fleshed out besides the "killing them off one by one through treachery" premise.

>>24508717
I will be high and mighty about slop that tastes bad
Good tasting slop is part of my diet.

>>24512188
The griffon

>>24511851
It's pretty common to get futa fantasy seekers on this thread. That slop is the only futa fantasy I've read that isn't anime trash/just trash.

>>24511854
Nice find. The original posting must have been the author shilling then.

>>24511984
BASED

>>24512121
Why must I read trash before Kino? Why can't you fags recommend a series that's kino from the start?

>>24511886
>literal YA slop
>still less cringe than sanderslop
>actually improves as the series progresses, unlike Stormlight

>>24512234
It’s the sffg way. Things can only get better

>>24512223
Why is there so much overlap with futa and 4chan? Trannies? Anime brain rot?

>>24512234
>debut authors improve between books
>tradpub wants slop to ensure sales
Gee, I wonder why so many series' first books are weaker than their sequels?

>>24512234
Dying Earth isn't like this

3>4>1>2

Is there anything akin to Darkover that ISN'T filled to the brim with feminist and gay shit?

>>24511603
>low-effort spam posting
>Malazan image
The iron knee.
>>24511842
>6th post
I never reread Pushing Ice either. At least more people talked about what they read back then.

just started reading the last trilogy of wheel of time. why did it have to be sanderson?

>>24512252
You probably aren't willing to accept this, but transgender porn is one of the most popular categories*, so that carries over to futa. Japan's futa boom was a long time ago now though. There's an interesting difference between /d/ and /aco/ in this regard, in that former is futa and the latter is dickgirls.

*source: pornhub's released stats, other porn sites, online polls, and academic sexual studies

>>24512252
wew newfag

https://mak-life.github.io/ChudWokeValues/

>>24512138
>I wish I could feel the whiplash going from red rising to the rest of the series again.
I was so legitimately shocked going from book 1 to 2. Like it's like Pierce was hiding his power level for an entire book.

>>24512341
I'm not a Sanderson fan but credit where it's due. I struggle to think of anyone else that could have done as good a job of pulling all the pieces together to complete the series.

>>24512341
As an anon who's working his way through things and really enjoys Jordan's writing, I'm not looking forward to Sanderslop.

>>24512341
His wife, who is the editor, chose Sanderson. She would know who is best

>>24512387
I can only hope she tard wrangled him

>>24512381
At the time I think he had only recently finished Mistborn, it was his pre-slop era. It was WoT that then made his as popular as he is even if his writing didn't deserve it.

>>24512381
>>24512341
>>24511400

I'm only on book six but I really like Jordan's writing. There's something really comforting about it but kind of like how you watch a painter add in lots of detail here and there on a really big canvas. I tried Elantris and The Final Empire, some decent ideas but Ian Brandon Anderson's writing was kind fo a chore to get through. It felt very manual like.

>>24512405
Sanderson would be such a great writer if he wasn't a fucking robot.

>>24512423
That’s Mormonism for you.

>>24512387
She just chose the fantasy author with the highest sales who would take the job

>>24512435
Bullcrap. Sanderson wasn't exactly a hugely successful or well known author back then. He was mid-tier at best. From what I read it was the publisher who recommended Sanderson to her after Sanderson wrote a blogpost sucking off Jordan.

>>24512449
Sorry, don't care for your little factoids

>>24512126
I too would like it if we talked about those mostly

>>24512463
gottem wao wao!!

>>24512465
yeah until the pendulum swings back and those are dogshit because we talk about them too much yay

>>24512463
you tell 'em. we don't need facts or the truth around here.

>>24512465
Right, anon? Gosh it's been an ENTIRE thread since we talked about Vance's works!

>>24512477
>>24512475
Okay Sandertards, excitement for the new Andy Weir movie getting to you? Time to calm yourselves

>>24512379
>>24512381
i read Mistborn 1-3 and then stopped reading Stormlight Archive on Words of Radiance within the first third. I don't usually drop books. After 8k pages of Jordan, the first Sanderson part felt awkward in terms of structure and how he set the atmosphere. I'll get over it as soon as I can read through the changing styles without it breaking my reading flow.
>>24512405
>It felt very manual like.
yeah, maybe Sanderson will prove to be more concise in the middle parts. not that it bothered me too much.
>>24512387
Looking forward to either condemning or redeeming them both.

>>24512449
That and Harriet read Mistborn and liked it so she okayed him to write the books

>>24512490
you showed him anon!
*shakes fist*

>>24512521
well she has shit taste then - too bad for wheelcucks!

>>24512518
Sanderson's first WoT book is the one with the shakiest bits. I can't call it the worst one, because it has some really good highs, including one of my favorite chapters in fantasy fiction ever. The other two are improvements as Sanderson correctly adjusted to the feedback of the first one. They still have some stupid bullshit in them that will piss you off, but overall they are much better and easier to get through without wanting to send him hate mail.

>>24508013
Agree lol Rhythm of War was agonizing for me to get through, but despite being bad Wind and Truth scratched the itch I wanted it to. Will be tuning in for Stormlight 6 in 2035

>>24512346
wtf is the difference between futa and dickgirl?

>>24512613
spelling

Will this give me the same whimsy and beautiful prose as dying earth?

>>24512640
Yes.

>>24512613
Here's a page from "Futanari? What's that?", a 21 page explanatory guide.

>>24512685
>"Futanari? What's that?", a 21 page explanatory guide
Things that should die in a fire of AIDS.

>>24511826

>20 paragraph blowjob scene.

Bruh

If you like Constantine or the Hellblazer comics check out this first novel in a series of 6. Written by an OG who used to write Hellblazer. The MC is just Constantine under a diff name.. doing the same shit Constantine does. The first novel wasn't bad. I enjoyed it. Plan on reading another when I get the itch. Anyone else read this?

How bad will it be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJBnlZKgeUg

>>24512730
murderbot isn't bad, so probably just mediocre.

>>24512613
futas have vaginas, dickgirls do not

wow, only took 6 words.

>>24512730
Hey, that's the bar I frequented when I was in uni.

>>24512730
Apple generally does a decent job with sci-fi (except Foundation) and they certainly don't skimp on budgets. However Neuromancer has always been infamous as a very hard book to adapt, it's why so many previous attempts to bring it to screen have failed. So my expectations are low but I'm prepared to be pleasantly surprised.

>>24512718

Is that atypical? I don't read slop

i like using this map. https://wheeloftimelines.com/map

>>24512533
sounds good.appreciate the input.

Any Egan chads here?

>>24513127
Post away

>>24507987 (OP)
Post every single book wherein a human befriends a dragon.

I read too much news and bullshit and not enough books, please recommend me something based on this stuff I enjoyed in the past.

As far as guilty pleasures go, Overlord counts I think. Looking back, It really wasn't that good, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy it.

>>24513154
1. Eragon
2. The Dragonriders of Pern
3. Temeraire
4. Dealing with Dragons
5. The Hobbit
6. The Enchanted Forest Chronicles
7. The Last Dragon Chronicles
8. His Majesty's Dragon
9. Seraphina
10. Wings of Fire
11. The Tea Dragon Society
12. The Dragon with a Chocolate Heart
13. Dragonsdale
14. How to Train Your Dragon
15. A Creature of Moonlight

>>24513158
If that's all you've read, you might as well pick any of the entry level picks or top recommendations on general.

>>24513158
Join the Red Rising hype train

>>24513211
I actually tried that out, but it didn't leave a good first impression. You're not the first one to rec it to me though, so I'll give it another chance.

>>24513172
bleh

I really like Robin Hobb's Fitz books. He feels like a human being to me in a way most characters don't, particularly because his worldviews are a clear evolution of the life he led.

Like as a quick direct example, in the second trilogy's beginning where he doesn't want to ask the Fool and Kettricken or Chade for money, and he's already thinking of what he must do to pay them back if he does. Except any rational person understands those people would help him with no questions asked, and this amount of money is negligible to them. But we know Fitz, his abandonment as a child followed by Shrewd buying his loyalty with the pin, and Chade telling him as a bastard he is dead as soon as he stops being useful. Fitz learned the lesson that human relationships are inherently transactional, and he never quite unlearns it.

In a vaccuum, someone might look at his behavior and think "man that's a badly written character, nobody acts like that", but within the context of his life, his behavior is tragically completely understandable. That kind of thing is sorely missing from other books for me.

Any recommendations?

>>24513158

>>24513270
Book three wolf shit was disjointed, poorly done, and screamed YA, and was very cringey. Really fucking grinded my gears but it's probably my only complaint.

>>24513136
>The novel takes place in a posthuman galaxy where consciousness can be digitized and bodies are easily modified or replaced. Humanity is divided into different ideological and technological factions — some prefer biological embodiment, while others exist entirely as software or inhabit engineered bodies

>The central drama begins with a physics experiment gone wrong: a researcher named Cass is trying to empirically test a new version of quantum field theory, called the Sarumpaet Rules. The experiment creates a vacuum bubble that behaves according to these new physical laws.

>But instead of disappearing or staying localized, the bubble expands unstoppably, consuming ordinary space-time and replacing it with a new kind of reality — a “novo-vacuum.” This new region obeys different physical laws, but it’s not inherently hostile. In fact, it seems more stable and information-rich than our universe.

>>24513284
i forgor

>>24508013
how does he feel about AI? will he use it?

>>24513297
Nah he 100% hates it and believes it's immoral to even use

>Sometime in the 21st century, the stars disappear from the sky. Earth becomes enclosed in an impenetrable black sphere called the Bubble. No one knows why or how it happened, and humanity is left cut off from the rest of the universe.

>This event becomes known as the Enclosure, and life continues inside the Bubble with fear, speculation, and the rise of new ideologies. Some think aliens are responsible. Others think it’s a side effect of quantum experimentation.

>In the mid-21st century, it’s become possible to scan a person’s brain and run a digital simulation of their mind. These Copies live in virtual environments and are mostly used as laborers, simulations of the wealthy, or even backup versions of people.

>But despite their intelligence and consciousness, Copies are not legally recognized as persons, and they face massive existential and ethical dilemmas. They're dependent on physical computers to run — meaning their existence is fragile, contingent, and controlled.

>>24509125
is this AI? em dashes everywhere

>>24510648
gamma boy cuck slop self insert, yes?

>>24510348
which one of them has actual writing and business advice etc.. on their patreon?

>>24512640
It takes itself slightly more seriously than Dying Earth. The whimsy is still there but it's a little more grounded.

>>24513334
That's a lot of buzzwords anon, where'd you learn em?

>>24513270
Probably the most extreme example I can give you is the protagonist of The Still. We're inside his head and see his way of thinking and he sounds like the most unpleasant shit ever until it's slowly revealed he's a 15-year old whose formal and emotional education was nearly completely ignored by the adults around him, so he grew up with whatever he imagined being royalty/an adult/a man is like. He's generally disliked by both characters and actual readers but I found him in turns funny and pitiable.

>>24513270
>nobody acts like that
I act like that.

>>24508033
Brat

What is the best war in both science fiction and fantasy respectively?

>>24513528
>Science Fiction
Iain Banks
>Fantasy
Second Apocalypse

>>24513590
>Second Apocalypse
Okay, serious answers only please.

>>24513594
Bakkerchads reign supreme

>>24513597
>DOOD, THE UNHOLY CONSULT!? THEY ARE... LE EXTINCT!! IT WAS THE DUNYEDAIN WHO WUT WERE DOIN' IT THE WHOLE TIME!!!
Never dropped a series faster than when I found out that was were it was heading.

Canonically accurate Cassius

I'm really genuinely, sincerely getting eternally BTFO that nothing is ever truly unique and is just a copy of other works and older ideas.

I guess this is what a midlife crisis is, huh?

>>24513610
there is nothing that is truly unique. Everything takes inspiration from something

>>24513613
That's what I just said, cuck.

>>24513613
That's literally what he just said.

>>24513619
that's literally what he just said >>24513616

>>24513605
I can't see multiple bitches on his arms so it's not fully accurate

>>24513622
They're down to the left and right, just off screen (he's 7+ feet tall)

>the peak of humanity are golden haired humans (usually white)
what did pierce brown mean by this?

>>24513643
Thank God PB isn't a hack. I feel like most other authors would try to fit actual racism into the Society to go along with colorism, as if it was making some kinda point. Like imagine if the golds still had segregation or some shit. Like Aja and Ajax have to use separate bathrooms as Lysander or something.
>"Alas, I am the peak of human evolution, but even still I held back by the color of my skin!"
I swear to God in any other authors hands they would have done some stupid shit like that.

>>24513650
Agreed. I do like as well that the golds are not a united hegemony either. You have the iron golds, the peerlees, the pixies, the bronzies etc so there is class conflict but it's not as redundant as you said with skin colour.

Bujold’s self insert as a granny witch who lives inside a teen boy’s head as he gets his dick wet with various succubi is something else
It scared my ex away

>main character has a harem
There is no trope that is more based than this

>>24513743
I know, right? Western publishers are throwing money away by pretending this genre doesnt exist.

If harem novels ever take off and go mainstream I can only imagine the constant seething and cope from feminist journalists. They'll probably try to ban it like they did with sexy video games.

>>24513613
What did A Clockwork Orange take inspiration from?

>>24513897
Titus Andronicus

>>24513898
No it didnt. Titus Andronicus is a revenge play and a tragedy. A Clockwork Orange is neither. Aside from both being violent they have nothing in common characterwise, plotwise, or thematically.

>>24513895
There's plenty of western harem novels in the modern age. They're just aimed a women (female)

fantasy with female main or secondary protagonist? who preferably gets put in lewd situations or has to wear skimpy clothing at some point

>>24513953
He's been asking this for years, and he'll keep asking it for years more!

>>24513743
I can't think of a single tradpub novel with this trope besides WoT and even that is stretching it a bit I feel.
>>24513895
The haremlit guys have already started their own publishing label and last I heard they were growing steadily. Tradpub will take note of the money being left on the table. They've already started to open up to litRPG now they know it appeals to boys and young men. Men's romance is only a few steps behind.

The real shame is that the big names in the genre tend to write slop and authors like Sarah Hawke go under-appreciated.

> Speaking of poetical reviewers—I have not yet recovered from the shock the newspaper gave me last night! At the First Baptist Church in this city, on Friday evening, there occurred the annual ceremony of the award of the “Spingarn Medal”, which is given to the member of the negro race who achieves the most notable success in ‘any field of elevated or honourable human endeavour’ during the year. At these impressive exercises, Gov. Beeckman of Rhode Island gracefully awarded the badge of African supremacy to the Boston poet, critic, & literary editor—William Stanley Braithwaite!!!!!!!!!!!! Think of it—chew upon it—let it sink into your astonished & outraged consciousness—the great Transcript dictator, the little czar of the Poetry Review, is a nigger—a low-born, mongrel, semi-ape!—Ye gods—I gasp—I can say no more! Aid me, ye benign elves & daemons of anticlimax! So this—this—is the fellow who hath held the destinies of nascent Miltons in his sooty hand; this is the sage who hath set the seal of his approval on vers libre & amylowellism—a miserable mulatto! To think of the years I have taken this nigger seriously, reading his critical dicta as though he were a Bostonian & a white man! I could kick myself! William’s picture is printed in the Bulletin beside the news item, & from the likeness given I can deduce no visible sign of his black blood. A heavy moustache droops down over what may be thick negroid lips. But after all—I suppose he has only a slight taint of the beast. No nigger blacker than a quadroon would be likely to attain the intellectual level he has undoubtedly reached. I am not minimising what the fellow knows, but I think it monstrous bad taste for the Transcript to foist a black upon its literary readers!

>>24508843
My third Blindsight read is the best one yet!

New thread:
>>24514277