It’s quite insane that the three greatest authors of all time all were products of the same era. I doubt humanity will ever see writers this great ever again.

I have never read any of their works.

>>24508655
Based and same.

>>24508655
>>24508691
Why are you on a board dedicated to something which you clearly don’t give a shit about?

>>24508650 (OP)
who are these people

>>24508655
I don't even know who they are. The middle is Hemingway? Then... Pound?

Why is the guy on the left doing a pirate cosplay

>>24508716
Joyce, Faulkner, Proust.

>>24508655
Read the namefile. It's The Modernists. I assume the dude in the middle is the leader

>>24508650 (OP)
Joyce looks faggier than the other two.

>>24508799
And he’s far and away the best of those three. Funny how that works.

>>24508699
I read things that are entertaining and not about mundane bullshit.

>>24508650 (OP)
the first two are great, the third is not great.

>>24508830
Spoke the farting anglo.

>>24508830
This but the reverse

>>24508650 (OP)
Replace faulkner with kafka and you got at least the greatests of last century right

>>24508837
>>24508845
Joyce owns you, frenchfags.

>>24508846
Kafka wrote a curious little novella and how he's somehow the "greatest of the century". Talk to me when he writes something on the level of Absalom, Absalom.

>>24508851
I see them as mirrors to each other
To use a joycean metaphor they are the scilla and cariddi of modernism

>>24508846
Kafka is a fun novelty writer but in no way does he compare to Faulkner. Not even close. And I can read Kafka without the need of a translation.

>>24508856
I was not impressed desu. The trial mogs. Faulkner is a supposedly great stylist but otherwise aggressively uninteresting to me. Honestly Americans should generally stay out of the conversation for goat unless their name is melville

>>24508856
now* not how
>t. just woke up

>>24508867
You simply have a strange disdain for Americans and you love to worship jews, however mediocre they might be. A typical European disease, I'm afraid.

>>24508871
I really like pynchon. Is he a kike?

>>24508650 (OP)
Richard Yates is better than each.

>>24509002
Yeah, if you have a learning disability and struggle to read.

>>24508856
>>24508863
writing run on difficult sentences is not innovative, not even close, kafka created a genre, a new way of thinking

>>24509062
People don’t admire Faulkner for difficulty but rather complexity. Kafka is nothing more than his premises (which admittedly are interesting). He is thematically shallow compared to Faulkner and his prose is not even close to Faulkner’s greatness.

>HE TURNED INTO A BUG!
>BUREAUCRACY IS LE BAD!
>"OMG SUCH A GENIUS!!"

>>24508650 (OP)
>non-poetry
>greatest literature

>>24509074
there are tonnes of writers who are complex but ultimately say nothing special, they don't communicate or touch the human soul as well as kafka did, faulkner is like a crossword puzzle--only understood through american references--compared to kafka who is a da vinci painting--understood universally

>>24508863
They are great in different ways, although I do very much like the OP’s trio as the faces of the best of modernist literature.
Kafka in a more minimalistic way and Faulkner in a more maximalistic way. Kafka in a more schizoid, repressed and colder way, and Faulkner in a more dramatic, stormy, passionate way, with more of things like sex and violence and death on the pages, Shakespearean drama and complex moody or brooding characters.
Kafka was fascinating and great for his lucid, restrained, realist-like surrealism. Variety is the spice of life for me, so I’m not concerned with making exact hierarchies or ordered list of who exactly is better or worse in each and every scenario. They were totally different authors but both fascinating representatives of modernist literature in all its forms.

>>24509062
>*Musils* created a genre, a new way of thinking
FTFY

>>24509092
The fact that you think being ”understood universally” is something to strive for tells me this conversation will lead absolutely nowhere.
You need to be 18 or older to post here.

>>24509076
You sound like a Karen saying that football is just 11 guys chasing a ball or a cringe atheist scientist saying the Earth is just a giant rock floating in space. Anything can be ridiculed by equating it to its constitutive elements, it is a very cheap and unintelligent resource.

>>24509100
lmao you need to read non americans more, your understanding of literature is like the american understanding of geography--still juvenile

>>24509103
"Americans are le bad!"
See: >>24508871

>>24509108
they're not bad, just hopelessly myopic

>>24509103
I can read Kafka in German you retard. Try again.

>>24509101
>You sound like a Karen
What a reddit thing to say. I won't even bother with the rest.

>>24509110
try what, i can read faulkner in a southern drawl, lmao

>>24509114
You are genuinely quite stupid.

>>24509118
you've quite lost the plot, yankee

>>24509119
I’m obviously not American you moron.

which americans are bad the north americans or the south americans

speaking of kakfa the literary idea of fame is maybe good to think about within the context of belletristic things or something or also with kafka brentano helps the elucidate the data of experience or something like that

>>24509122
no, but you think like one

>>24509123
his fame is warranted, faulkner and his ilk are what being difficult because you don't yet understand how to be simple is, it's might not be their fault that the tools to achieve the same level of communication have not yet been invented, but it's not the same as saying that they achieved the same feat

>>24509123
his fame is warranted, faulkner and his ilk are what being difficult because you don't yet understand how to be simple is, it might not be their fault that the tools to achieve the same level of communication have not yet been invented, but it's not the same as saying that they achieved the same feat

>>24508827

>>24508871
>t. Amerigolem

Euros generally mog Americans but Faulkner was the best American and Kafka was the worst Euro. I don‘t know what to make of this thread.

>>24509339
Kafkafags generally aren’t avid readers so that’s why they’ll sperg out over Joyce and Faulkner.

I've yet to read any of these three but I doubt they'll be as good as Dostoyevsky, Tolstoy, Hemingway or Borges. I've Ulysses but want to get Dubliners and the Portrait before reading it. I doubt I'll like him, he just sounds pretentious and with boring plots. I've also got As I Lay Dying but haven't read it yet. Want to read Proust but I doubt he'll be among my favorites, I tend to value plots and the psychology of characters over how beautiful the prose is. Read Madame Bovary this year and found it fairly boring despite its great prose.

>>24508846
you're too young to share your opinion here.

FAULKNER? MORE LIKE "FUCK NAH!"
AMERICANS ARE ALL FAGGOTS AND CAN'T EVEN SPELL PROPERLY

>>24510340
cringe

>>24508699
Modernists are only good in low doses. Focus on them too much and you end up becoming a snob no one wants to be around.

>>24509450
They're better than Borges.

I wouldn’t really call Proust and Faulkner of the same era.

>all this Faulkner fellatio
Mccarthy was twice the writer and I am tired of pretending otherwise

>>24511228
>McCarthy
YA fiction with mediocre prose. Yawn.

>>24511392
What does that say about Faulkner? Faulkner is supposedly one of his key influences but Mccarthy not only manages to sound even more exotic and unnatural, he does that with twice the elegance. Faulkner's sentences are rougher and not as well crafted. Nabokov was correct about him.

Retards on /lit/ were filtered this hard by Kafka?

>>24508799
He is heavily autistic. Give him a break

>>24511576
we *get* it but we're not impressed

>>24511228
what does mccarthy have to do in this conversation anyway? faulkner is definitely the deeper writer

>>24508650 (OP)
Big Boss spliced with Trotsky on the left.

>>24511632
Oh boy you have no idea. As Gass has noted, Faulkner's work got worse when he started to take himself seriously as a philosopher. While Mccarthy got better and better once he let his philosophizing take over more and more of the narrative. Mccarthy is definitely the better thinker of the two.

>>24511627
No you don't.

>>24509450
You tend to value plot? Did Borges ever write anything with a plot?

>>24511700
Mccarthy got better? In what universe are The Messenger & Stella Maris better than Blood Meridian? He got progressively worse.

>>24511708
enlighten us master

>>24511713
Borges' fiction is mostly about plot. He even talks about how the story story format lends itself for plots and that novels are for exploring other things. I also remember he mentioned that in order to have a successful plot for a fantasy story you only need to have one paranormal/fantastic thing to happen. That's why all his stories have just one of those. A guy who remembers everything, a small object that allows you to see the universe, an endless book that contains all possible books, etc. But you never have two of them in a story.

>>24511721
Stella Maris is as good as Blood meridian

>>24511745
Delusional.

>>24511735
lotr has multiple, got too

>>24511747
It's true

>>24509100
I mean, he is right. Faulkner is not that much acclaimed outside of the US or the Anglosphere.
Kafka is more universally known and celebrated worldwide

>>24508699
I thought I was on /lit/ not /pseud/

>>24511735
>Borges' fiction is mostly about plot
It's more about metafiction regarding the nature of "plot".
I love Borges, but c'mon, he doesn't write anything with an actual plot.

>>24511750
Yes, fantasy novels have expansive worlds but he was talking about short stories. The reason he gave was because it's easier for the reader to accept one fantastic thing in such format and more than one fantastic thing bloats the story. More of a writer's advice than something set in stone, though.

>>24511725
Okay, tell me your interpretation of the hunger artist

>>24511766
>It's more about metafiction regarding the nature of "plot".
He does that in a few stories, not in everything.
>I love Borges, but c'mon, he doesn't write anything with an actual plot.
What do you mean by "actual plot"? He was adamant he wrote plots. Maybe Anglos have a different concept.

>>24511700
>Faulkner's work got worse when he started to take himself seriously as a philosopher
When is this?

>>24511804
I'd argue Absalom, Absalom! but his later works became more in-your-face preachy

>>24511754
>Faulkner is not that much acclaimed outside of the US or the Anglosphere.
Borges praised Faulkner and even translated The Wild Palms into Spanish. He also wrote a small review for a magazine where he says Faulkner belongs to the same family as Shakespeare because he's concerned about both the language in his work and also the human element (the characters, the passions). 20th century Latin American writers loved Faulkner and were influenced by him. Obviously Kafka is more famous but Faulkner goes beyond the US.

>>24508650 (OP)
Only Proust is phenomenal in this photo, and even then there are plenty of poets that mog him brutally. Faulkner and Joyce were pretty much astroturfed into the public consciousness by glowies determined to make art inaccessible shit and pseuds gobble them up because they've been preordained by critical consensus.

>>24511836
Glowies didn't like Joyce, he was banned in the US for decades. Glowies gain nothing by making art "inaccessible". The gain everything by diluting art because it helps them spread their propaganda easier.

>>24508867
>goat unless their name is melville
Based.

>>24511813
Where is this demarcation between early/middle and later?

>>24511849
A glowie was Joyce's attorney in the obscenity lawsuit. If you look into it all the modernists were surrounded by glowies or more likely were glowies themselves, with nearly all of them traveling to countries all over the world constantly as supposed journalists or teachers or editors. There was a time when Shakespeare or Dickens or Hugo could write a popular work that would actually resonate with the outrage of the public and trigger policy changes. The modernists however require that you study literature for years to care at all about their supposedly impressive techniques and devices and so you can decode all their themes and allusions just to at the end still ask yourself "Oh I get. But so what?" By controlling what gets published and what's deemed important they control what ideas are propagated. Of course the actual politics of Joyce or Faulkner is proto-globohomo egalitarian one race the human race CIA stuff

>>24511883
The guy who said "Television is for niggers" to a jew's face is "proto-globohomo egalitarian CIA stuff"? Come on now.

>>24511870
"Later Faulkner" typically refers to the novels William Faulkner wrote after winning the Nobel Prize in 1950. These works are often viewed as a distinct phase in his career, with some critics perceiving a shift in his style and focus.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Post-Nobel Period:
After receiving the Nobel Prize in Literature, Faulkner's writing entered a new phase.

Shift in Style:
Some critics suggest that his post-Nobel novels, while still employing his characteristic complex style and exploration of Southern themes, became more accessible and less experimental.

Public Figure:
It's argued that as Faulkner became a more public figure, his writing took on a more didactic or social commentary role, potentially at the expense of the artistic depth of his earlier works.

>>24511896
thanks, bot.

>>24509062
Kafka was comedian, Faulkner a tragedy poet. Weak comparison.

>>24509092
If you think Faulkner is algebra you’re just illiterate.

>>24508650 (OP)
Haha yeah. Really weird triptych you attached of Shakespeare, Cervantes, and the infant Sir Thomas Browne though. Are these AI-generated photograph-style interpretations of what they looked like?

>>24511766
Some of his works are more like prose poems ("Inferno, I, 32") or slightly extended parables ("The Lottery in Babylon") and some aren't necessarily compelling in a plot sense ("The Library of Babel," "The Circular Ruins," "Pierre Menard, Author of the Quixote"), but Borges does have real plots ("The Immortal" comes to mind, as does "Death and the Compass") and stories with real human interest (the main conflict of "The Aleph" and the melancholy of "Ulrike"). He definitely wrote stories that can be valued for their plot even if you're not analyzing his conscious or subconscious echoes of Dante, Chesterton, the Arabian Nights, or Schopenhauer. Even some of the philosophical stories like Tlön can do things like marry a haunting vision of a disintegrating society to their morals, as a beautiful projected inversion of Borges' own love for the tradition of idealism. He adored and reworked plot in things like "The Form of the Sword," which is definitely a reply to Chesterton's "The Sign of the Broken Sword," which is in turn a reply to Dante's Inferno. Idk, I think Borges is underrated because of our (understandable) habit of collapsing all his merit into his most UNIQUE feature, his philosophic puzzleboxing, while ignoring his capacity for luminous parable, humane beauty, and, despite its thinness in some stories, plot. I realize I mostly namedropped but think about how the Aleph ends on Borges messing with the guy that owns the thing, or about how Death and the Compass is a pretty standard detective story, or the hallucinatory Arabian Nights-esque adventure yarn of The Immortal. His poetry also testifies to the human factor in his work. "The Rain" is a good example.

>>24512193
From what I remember Brodie's Report is a collection where pretty much all the stories deal with plot. It's Borges at his most Argentine, so you have criminals, incest, dangerous neighborhoods, knives, whores, etc. The titular story is like completely different to all the other ones.

>>24508650 (OP)
I like Joyce and Faulkner

>>24512262
A Universal History of Iniquity is also packed with plot (albeit except Man on Pink Corner most is the kind of "plot" narrative you get from old-timey history like Herodotus). Very fun book.

>>24512765
>A Universal History of Iniquity
I liked it as well. Pic rel apparently was the source material for one of the stories and he wrote the foreword for one edition. A section of the book was used by Scorsese (or rather by his writers) to make his Gangs of New York movie.

>>24512788
Forgot picture

>>24512262
>Brodie's Report
Now that I think about it, it's interesting how most writers start local and then go cosmopolitan but Borges did it the other way around. He started with Ficciones, a cosmopolitan book with international themes, and then Brodie's Report, his penultimate collection (I think), is his very local book (save for the titular story as previously mentioned). I think I have to re-read his fiction. It's been more than a decade.

>>24512788
That's a phenomenal piece of trivia. Borges also wrote film criticism. Maybe he would've liked Scorsese. I feel like he'd be critical, but he did like the aura of crime from time to time.
>>24512798
I think Borges grew up so heavily in books that it kind of makes sense. In Eliot, too, something like the early Prufrock is very scatterbrained and kind of eludes being pinned down geographically, while the Four Quartets are attuned to and reverential toward his (albeit chosen) homeland and history.

>>24511228
>and I am tired of pretending otherwise
He used the faggot phrase

>>24512798
Well, Ficciones is a collection of stories and their settings, influences and themes vary a lot. El Sur for instance is a very Argentine story, itself being a sequel to Martin Fierro.

>>24508650 (OP)
What's even more insane is they're all white men. Why is this?

>>24513854
One of them is a member of the tribe but he is honorary european for both his in-depth knowledge and appreciation of French culture

>>24508827
A book about some "epic" sci-fi or fantasy saving-the-world nonsense is more boring than a book about a guy pondering what restaurant will he eat at later in the evening.

>>24508650 (OP)
that's not Virgil, Ovid, and Horace!

>>24513854
Not quite. What's insane is that two of them are Irish-blooded.

>>24511883
>Of course the actual politics of Joyce or Faulkner is proto-globohomo egalitarian one race the human race CIA stuff
>>>/pol/