Felt bad for what happened to the dude but not as much after reading through his writings. He is such a pompous prick midwit talking about things of which he knows nothing about, misrepresenting the opinions of those he's debating against and even plain resorting to puerile shit like name-calling and ridicule. Dude even makes up absurd scenarios where his fictional chad philosophical self-insert BTFOs strawmen of his enemies it's so pathetic.

I feel like I'm a lunatic whenever I see old author's praise him or Cato's faggot ass.

everything I read about cicero acts like he was a rhetorical genius because he used every terrible degenerate argument strategy imaginable. he just reads like a caricature of a used-car-salesman politician.

romans are overrated as fuck they have contributed nothing to the philosophy.

>>24509295
Amerishart monolinguals arent lunatics theyre just fucking lazy retards, I can read the translations too and theyre dogshit, you cant read the originals and you assume the originals are shit too because youre a lazy cynical kike

>>24509393
It probably takes the same amount of time to read the aeneid as it does for a normal amerishart to learn latin but they still will waste time reading it in english

>>24509393
>incoherent seething about America

>>24509270 (OP)
>it's ok when Plato does it

Reminder his name is pronounced "Kikero"

>>24509270 (OP)
You wouldn't be afflicted by this thought virus if you took your meds.

it has never been tried because the sophists won since the other side had no name

>>24509393
Well if you feel that way stop speaking our language and stop posting here. Its really simple.

Nah

>>24509459
Kys retard

>>24509270 (OP)
kys retard

I mean there's a reason Caesar BTFO all these guys, right? So many of them were poseurs and losers at heart. Caesar's a better writer than any of them, too, go read De Bello Gallico.

>>24509544
>poser
yet you dont have enough genuine appreciation in your ancestors writing to even find value in cicero

>>24509544
Caesar wasnt a grammarian, cicero was a lawyer and a grammarian

>>24509569
Caesar had a great education AND he had a talent for writing interesting scenes, or at least relaying them after they'd actually happened.

>>24509553
My ancestors lived in a bog in Ireland, there weren't not faggy senators.

>>24509573
Yes but its a beginner writing, caesar is straightforward cicero is famously a grammarian which has no similarity in english

>>24509579
Yet youre on this gay porn furry site pretending to have a ground breaking counter culture opinion on the literature hobby board that you arent literate enough to read in the original language

>>24509594
Hating Cicero is not groundbreaking at all...

>>24509597
Who gives a fuck those are just other 90 iq losers

>>24509600
I would estimate Marc Antony was a bit smarter than 90iq.

>>24509544
>>24509573
>>24509580
I read that Caesar was a bit of a materialist and he may have been skeptical about the gods. His wife and father in law were Epicureans and he favoured that school of thought. Cicero used this to publicly attack him.

>>24509602
He was his political rival what are you a black identitarian?

>>24509609
Man you are totally incoherent. It's like you're translating from some retard 3rd world language into English. What is your native tongue?

>>24509615
I speak and read english better than you do too, Ill argue with you all day if you want

>>24509621
>Ill argue with you all day if you want
Yes, I'm sure you're enough of a loser to do so.

>>24509629
Stop acting like an obnoxious faggot hick, go do something, if you want to read a fancy work of literature from history, go big and put the confidence in your intelligence into learning the language, reading cicero (especially reading it wrong) isnt an accomplishment learning a language is

>>24509643
>is too ashamed to even say his native language

>>24509647
english

>>24509270 (OP)
For a Roman of that era and position, he was quite good-natured. He could do evil and meanness, but there was a lot of humanity in him.
>Dude even makes up absurd scenarios where his fictional chad philosophical self-insert BTFOs strawmen of his enemies it's so pathetic.
This is quite common for ancient rhetoric. Even written exercises were often written as a speech at the agora or forum, when it was considered completely legal to twist the opponent's arguments, bring them to the point of absurdity and ridicule. (As it is now, by the way). He is simply a son of his time, very talented.

>>24509653
Nowadays people have become a bunch of sissies. They just can't handle a few good ol' ad hominems. They are all like
>OHNONONO, YOU CANNOT JUST SAY THIS IT IS LE LOGICAL FALLACERINO

>>24509653
I think it's pretty telling that Augustus didn't stand in the way of Cicero's reputation getting rehabilitated in the aftermath of taking absolute power. I always like to think Augustus maintained genuine affection for Cicero and signed the proscription because he felt he had no other choice. He seems to have tacitly approved the fond memories of Cicero that cropped up during his rule, as opposed to the memory of Antony whom he tried to blot out completely.

>>24509709
Cicero just wanted to screw him over, so he definitely didn't like him because of his kindness. That considered Cicero's views aligned with his own and Cicero was one of the greatest men in Rome as he grew up.

>>24509709
I think that has more to do with the political situation of the Senate than personal fondness.

>>24509752
>implying the senate gave a shit about Cicero
those cunts all hated each other

>>24509393
It is reading cicero in translation that gives the reader a better picture of cicero, you can see him for what he is when he isn't wrapped and camouflaged in his rhetoric, you see a worm of a man that writes letters to people telling them about how he loves the rank smell of his own farts, holy shit I hate cicero and the bullshit he says, he so often eloquently says stupid stuff that pseuds over thousands of years thought he was saying things on point and was wise, he also sucks catos dick every chance he gets

>>24509752
"A learned man, my child, a learned man and a lover of his country."

>>24509270 (OP)
He DIED, have some respect

>>24509544
De Bello Gallico is just Caesar making up bullshit and bragging in 3rd person like
>Caesar, the greatest man alive, deftly outmaneuvered the savage retarded Gauls. Because Caesar is the smartest general to ever live the Roman army killed 10 billion Gauls, while from the incredible Roman ranks we only lost three soldiers.

>>24509705
You can't do that when you're wrong.
>All statements must be either true or false
????

>>24509270 (OP)
At the end of the day he won arguments and court cases this way. It's called rhetoric, you probably think Caesar is based for garnering public acclaim with bribes and bullshit but you condem Cicero for doing the same with god tier banter, you are a faggot/woman.

The result is all that matters, Cicero turned Antony into a literal tranny for years to come in the eyes of the Roman public, he was based.

>>24509544
Imagine believing this.
>dude corn lmao
>holy shit I'm so great and smart..proof? uhh look at how many dirt eating stick wielding savages I'm killing here dude, just look holy damn it's a lot

>>24509270 (OP)
>pompous prick midwit
As opposed to what?
>misrepresenting the opinions of those he's debating
As opposed to what?
>name calling and ridicule
As opposed to what?
>absurd scenarios with a fictional chad self-insert
As opposed to what?
OP, there are entire strands of philosophy defended daily on this board about how caring about things makes you a woman/faggot, how nothing exists outside of your self-interest and how larping matters more than reality itself. You curse God and besmirch sincerity and every cultural institution that the bodies of literature you're all drawing on owe their existence to. You think you're smarter than many of their authors to such a degree that I can't even think of an example to name that would put it into perspective, because you just genuinely believe you ARE smarter than whoever I chose. You are not on this board to find the truth, you are here to pick your favourite liar and screech about it.

>>24510844
>it's called rhetoric
>he was based
Pick one. Rhetoric is the epistemology of Jews.

>>24512201
>Pick one. Rhetoric is the epistemology of Jews.
Your brain is cooked.