opinions on Bret Easton Ellis?

>>24512448 (OP)
Perfect example of the vain, narcissistic, homosexual conservative. Whatever he wrote, the movie is better.

>>24512495
Ellis writes like a faggot. So whiny and feminine. "Oh I've never felt more alienated". Gay.

>>24512523
>whiny and feminine
It's also really obvious by his writing that he's never had a real job in his life.

his podcast is pretty good

>>24512543
he had Max Lawton once

>>24512448 (OP)
Intellectually vapid. Entertaining.

>>24512547

>>24512543
>his podcast is pretty good
Yes, but my pocket book doesn't think so--on account of it costs money, and I am unemployed.

>>24512502
did norm get molested by this guy or something? he seems a little unhinged

>>24512502
>>24512495
lol this nigga dead

>>24512448 (OP)
despise him.
>tfw ME FOOKIN YOUNGER BROTHER BECAME AN AMERICAN PSYCHO.

>>24512577
>>24512588
Hi Bret

the billy corgan to dfw's kurt cobain

>>24512632
whoa. this feels accurate. what about franzen? who's the equivalent?

>>24512638
stp

>>24512451
He's kind of delightful in his way. But yeah don't bother reading him

>>24512523
>Ellis writes like a faggot. So whiny and feminine. "Oh I've never felt more alienated". Gay.
And even with that, he STILL views the modern popular politically-correct brand of liberalism/social progressivism as even GAYER than he himself is. Kek. It just goes to show how insane the culture has become today. Even the literal catty faggot, Bret Easton Ellis, who STILL has views that would be regarded as very leftist or socially progressive in the just recent past (simple instance, that there’s nothing wrong with being openly gay, or supporting gay marriage), sees various people today, seething about Trump and white men and the like, as even MORE faggoty and whiny than himself.

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=bret+easton+ellis+on+liberals+and+trump

And honestly I agree and at least respect him to that extent. Even this faggot is here going, “Holy shit, liberals today, and it seems especially Gen Z and Gen Alpha kids, are being MASSIVE faggots.” The gayness gives him that sort of catty, snarky, sometimes feminine way of tearing others down, snideness, mockery and the like, but his being a male gives him that testosterone boost and degree of healthy chauvinism. So honestly >>24512451 criticizes him for that but I personally like >>24512780’s post:
>He's kind of delightful in his way. But yeah don't bother reading him
That’s my honest reaction to him and his personality today. It entertains and charms me to an extent,
But to get back to speaking of /lit/, he also had the unfortunate tendency of, I think, tearing down greater writers than himself, like Alice Munro and even (yes) DFW. Although the DFW feud I can sympathize with to an extent, because DFW was actually pretty openly harsh on B.E.E.’s works and ethos, so I could see where Ellis’s wounded pride and going on the attack here could come from. He used Ellis as an example of modern nihilistic, ironic, satirical postmodern literature which, in satirizing or attacking the vapidity of the modern day, becomes just as crude, shallot, or nihilistic itself.
But that’s artists for ya! Big egos. It’s either great or awful, depending on what they do with it, how they manifest it, and how it inspires their works and how good those works are.

>>24512897
DFW’s ego was the biggest, and not in a good way. I actually am not against suicide in theory but there’s something awful about the way he did it—and then it won him a posthumous cult which is slowly dwindling
Delillo actually said in an interview “he wouldn’t have achieved such a large audience if not for his manner of death”

When Britney Ellis or Donna Delilah have an airport named after them then they can talk. Until then they should continue writing past their prime.

>>24512897
I thought zoomers were le based nazi fascists, that's what the media polls keep saying, are you saying they're woke liberals?

When Britney Ellis or Donna Delilah have an airport named after them then they can talk. Until then they should continue writing airport novels past their prime.

>>24512565
>>24512897
Max Lawton loves Infinite Jest btw.

I'd really like to think these threads aren't made by Ellis himself but it's Occum's Razon, who the fuck else cares what anyone thinks of Brett Easton Ellis?

>>24512993
pynchon, chuck palahniuk, and bee are all regulars here

>>24512495
>>24512502
A+ hating

>>24512897
>Even the literal catty faggot, Bret Easton Ellis ... sees various people today, seething about Trump and white men and the like, as even MORE faggoty and whiny than himself.
He wrote an essay sort of about this for Out magazine:
https://www.out.com/news-opinion/2013/05/13/bret-easton-ellis-gay-men-magical-elves

why is he a fag? like, just be straight, pal. why do you have sex with men? lol

>>24513409
it's not how it works

>>24512448 (OP)
faget

>>24512502
Is he Alice's biggest fan?

>>24512448 (OP)
Every time I hear his name, I think of the Cum Town bit American Tai Bo wherein Bateman is a retarded guy with Down Syndrome.

>>24514231
>cum town
terrible podcast

>>24514295
It's literally the only podcast that's ever been worth listening to.

>>24514410
if you're gay maybe

>>24513022
>chuck palahniuk
this one i would believe

>>24512448 (OP)
He's a retard faggot, but American Psycho is a really good book wherever he conceived that way or not.

>>24512448 (OP)
Didn't he say that he was gay only after American Psycho because no woman would ever date him after that?

>>24512926
We are, don't be fooled, we are going to be the most based generation yet.
t.24 year old zoomer.

>>24514231
Kek
>>24514410
Truer words have never been spoken. I've listened to every ep (free and preme) at least 5 or 6 times each. Got me through some dark times working a cleaning job as an alcoholic virgin 19 year old. Now I'm finishing up University, living with my girlfriend and am sober from everything.

he is pretty good

funny fiction writer. a superficial midwit as a thinker.
White was embarassing "muh millenials" pick me-boomerism
He has boomer and L.A.-tunnel vision about our cultural landscape, where he thinks he's discovering something esoteric and poignant, but he's just scratching the surface of what's wrong.

>>24518291
pretty much this

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>>24512448 (OP)
Say what you will but that little faggot can write.

>>24512448 (OP)
His obsession with character as masque is honestly kleine burger. This despite writing one of the few aristocratically bourgeois characters in fiction that people instantly misunderstood as a mere executive.

>>24519979
>Say what you will but that little faggot can write.
But he cannot write well or good. He relies on conceptual writing behind masquerades of stylism. 90% of his writing is in the initial conceit of each novel. Compare to Cormac where a novel's "conceit" is unimpregnable no matter how hard you rape it. Well… maybe not Border Trilogy…but the price of "entry" into Border Trilogy is to already be dead.

>>24512577
Most likely lost his virginity at one of Alice Munro's sex parties and feels indebted to her.

>>24512547
>>24512565
>>24512947
Fuck off, Lawton.

like that one anon said, his podcast is actually pretty good

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>>24512448 (OP)
Fantastic author, he channeled his sexual orientation to give a unique perspective that influenced his writing style from rules of attraction to american psycho

>>24512448 (OP)
Based cumboy, Less Than Zero > le dubs book

>>24512448 (OP)
I've only ever read American Psycho. Its the only book to movie adaptation I've seen where I believe the movie is better than the book.

>>24521992
So you didn't actually read American Psycho, BEE fooled you. Surface readings will often do that. The first dinner party sequence in American Psycho ought to clue you in that Patrick is *much*much*much* richer than a guy in finance; and, that he is "slumming it" because he believes that Executives are Authentic and Real and In Touch with Art.

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>>24522009
I meant to say Am Psycho was the only book of Ellis' I've read.
Too me, the book and movie were very similar. Its just the movie was way more interesting. IMO it gets the point across moreso than the book. Both had the same point though; that is alienation through hyperconformity, Patrick being a representation of the grotesque apex of '80s yuppie consumerism. Maybe its because the book is kinda annoying. Reading Patrick breakdown the brands characters are wearing/indulging in detail over and over again became grating.

>>24520098
read his translations

>>24524112
>Both had the same point though; that is alienation through hyperconformity,
As I said you didn't read the book, you glanced at the page.

>Reading Patrick breakdown the brands characters are wearing/indulging in detail over and over again became grating.
Comprehending *why* he is doing this is important. Bateman's narrative voice uses the newspapers and magazines of the time to praise works utterly undeserving of praise, and the flat irony of Bateman praising the works when the works are to Batemen's obvious (flat voice irony) knowledge unworthy of praise is important.

Bateman is slumming it as a punk rocker in the mere world of tasteless executives whose "authentic" lives where they are not layered SUCC layers of irony deep from the subject is the central message. Bateman is haute bourgeois aristocracy. And like many homosexual young men is "slumming" it in order to experience "authenticity" and so remove his mask in the company of "truly authentic accepting people who live simple lives of direct honesty" like financial speculation executives.

I've never seen someone defeated by a text more soundly than you.

>>24524421
>I've never seen someone defeated by a text more soundly than you.
Why are you mad? Unless you are actually Bret Easton Ellis you have no reason to be this confrontational lol.

>>24524538
Your reading capacity deficit is insulting /lit/.

>>24524538
For years it's been rumored that BEE posts here.

>>24524559
Really? thats sad. All I said was I prefer the movie to the book and this guy >>24524550
went apeshit.

>>24524421
>Bateman is slumming it as a punk rocker in the mere world of tasteless executives whose "authentic" lives where they are not layered SUCC layers of irony deep from the subject is the central message. Bateman is haute bourgeois aristocracy. And like many homosexual young men is "slumming" it in order to experience "authenticity" and so remove his mask in the company of "truly authentic accepting people who live simple lives of direct honesty" like financial speculation executives.
Yeah, the homo themes of the book went over my head completely because I'm not a homo and have never been around homo culture in my life. I concede this point to you though, since you seem to know much more about it than I.

>>24524578
Gottem

>>24524578
>>24524583
Your compliment was sufficient.

>>24524588
kek

>>24524588
Butthurt so nice he replied twice. Take some fent and poppers you homo I thought big shit up your ass was a daily occurence.

>>24513022
>tfw it's entirely possible I've been shitposting with actual published authors

This is always fascinating to think about. It's like how /sp/ has become convinced Kevin Durant posts there.

>>24524614
That just proves how gay /spuh/ is now. KD would allegedly post there but not king homo Dwight Howard.

>>24524605
He's read the text.
>>24524606
He hasn't read the text.

>>24524559
I met him once and he was very nice :)

he is the best gay fagget