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old: >>24494890

First for a three way with Dany and Daenerys

new wojak?

Oldtown nigger edition

Valyrians are the rightful inheritors of Planetos and all should willingly let themselves be enslaved before them.

I BELIEVE IN STANNIS

Walk with me, my sweet summer child, and hear the tale of fat pink masts jutting into sopping wet myrish swamps and black nipples brushing against silk until her cunt became the world while in the privy the princess guzzled arbor gold and shat but the more she drank the more she shat until she was shitting brown water and around her the planks of the ship groaned like a fat man taking a shit while she cursed the gods and nuncle smiled as he broke his fast on black bread, bacon burned black, and mulled wine while capon-grease dribbled down his chin and onto the boiled leather of his jerkin for did she not know words are wind and dark wings bring dark words and a lannister always pays her debts and mayhaps this is nothing but a mummers farce and useless as nipples on a breastplate and the princess has been fucking lancel and moonboy for all nuncle knows and he is the blood of the dragon for the night is dark and full of terrors but where do whores go and jon snow knows nothing and near enough makes no matter so nuncle smiled and dipped the heel of his bread into clam chowder and prayed for half a hundred more heh har HODOR

>>24513201
cause they love him in oldtown, and asshai, and volantis
sothoryos, pentos and astapor and mantarys, they say
i believe in lord stannis
i believe in lord stannis

>>24513046
Valyrians as a race have been reduced to literal fuck slaves

>>24513046

I'm starting to give up guys

>>24513248

>>24512890 (OP)
>faith edition

Faith of the Seven Novels.

What did GRRM mean by this?

>>24512890 (OP)
>General #77
there's been more threads than the fatman has had years on this earth

Stannisbros...say it ain't so...

>>24513373
>the whole realm denies your claim
>but they for some reason accept the younger brother's claim!

Sorry seven fags, the Red God is comin for your misguided ass. Riverland Jihadis are lining up to put you on the pyre. Big tiddy red witches await us in the next life.

has done literally nothing meaningful ever and won't do anything meaningful ever award

2026. I can feel it

>>24513504
turn your monitor on

>>24513588
It's always next year. It's been next year since 2015.

>>24511055
>an asspull
Mirri explaining the nature of blood magic she used on Drogo made Dany finally understand the words of her House: "Fire and Blood".

She figured out that dragon magic was just human sacrifice all along. So to hatch the eggs she needs a fire and some blood going into it.

Bizarro World

Why is there no edition of the books that numbers the chapters (ex: Dany VI)? Its really hard to go back and find something specific from a chapter reference.

>>24513378
Because of Renly's peach

>>24512890 (OP)
There is no justifying Ironborn conquest of the North, it is just too retarded.

>>24514241
Me on the left.

>>24514241
if you were a westerosi landed noble, would you support Daemon Blackfyre or Daeron II?

>>24514243
Probably they made it so to avoid spoilers
>Catelyn chapters suddenly stop
>a Davos chapter after we are told he got executed
Write your own chapter list, I did.

>>24514241
Why is Bittersteel AI?

>>24514362
>Blackwood vs Bracken proxy war
I sleep.

>>24514393
They are all AI.

>>24513248

People in /sffg/ have been looking at old threads instead of reading and this one made me kek and then sad

>>24514494
>Sansa and Sandor are my favorite characters. Neither of them will be in book 5, so I'm patiently waiting for Winds of Winter.
>patiently waiting for Winds of Winter.
> Anonymous Thu 06 Mar 2008 08:38:18
nearly 20 years later I wonder how patient he is

>>24514241
If Daemon was so great, why did he get dumped on his rump by Baelor Breakspear before he could crown Daenerys Queen of Love and Beauty?
Checkmate Poopfyres.

>>24514797
Baelor Breakspear? More like Baelor the Cursed (Dornish).

How can Blackwood chuds possibly compete?

>Want to reread series
>Remember Bran chapters
>Remember Sansa chapters
>Remember Arya chapters
>Remember Ned chapters
>Remember Caitlyn chapters
>Remember Jon chapters
>Remember Dany chapters
>Remember Tyrion chapters
>Remember Theon chapters
>Remember Davos chapters
>Remember Samwell chapters
>Remember Jaime chapters
>Remember Cersei chapters
>Remember Brienne chapters
>Remember Aerion chapters
>Remember Victarion chapters
>Remember Arianne chapters
>Remember Asha chapters
>Remember Quentyn chapters
>Remember Barristan chapters
>Remember Jon Connington chapters
>Remember Areo Hotah chapters
>Remember Melisandre chapters
>Decide against rereading

>>24515291
iktf
prologues, epilogues and that one Arys Oakheart chapter are where it's at

>>24515291
>>24515334
based post-nut regret enjoyers

>>24515291
based Varamyr enjoyer

>>24515291
merrettchads stay winning

>>24514797
This guy would have been the greatest king Westeros ever saw.

i believe in ethtical slavery

>>24514797
Your father Baelor, whatever happened there...

>>24515554
Dark haired Targs aren't allowed on the throne.

i believe in slavery

Man the more I read these books the more I think the Brackens are fucked
Like, they will always pick the losing side. If it was ww2 the Brackens would side with Hitler in the year 39 and the blackwoods would side with the good guys in 1944

>>24514241

>>24514797

>ywn make the eight with your bros

doing everything but writing the book

>>24517072
Are we supposed to know who anyone in that picture is besides GRRM and Sanderson?

>>24517072
Robin Hobb (Three-Finger Hobb is named after her) and Pierce Brown (who actually gave a release date for his 7th and final book)

>hosts
who fucking cares lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df6IsLg1vZs

I wonder how gay PJ made Davos

>>24512890 (OP)
Religions are so fucking lame in this series

>>24517196
Robin Hobb is fairly well known in fantasy circles (and better than Sanderson). The others, no.

>>24517460
That is not Pierce Brown.
>None other than George R.R. Martin, Brandon Sanderson, Robin Hobb, Rebecca Roanhorse and Ryan Cahill!

>>24517530

It's a medieval setting where the ruling class possesses 19th century views on religion with tongue-in-cheek atheists larping as religious to preserve the status quo, but we're also still supposed to believe that the smallfolk deeply believe in said religions and don't mind it when the nobility does a sacrilege. The High Septon has no power and you can kill him or even destroy religious sites with no repercussions.

Stannis burns weirwoods? No one in The North cares so long as he saves Rickon or (f)Arya Stark. Frankly, the pluralism in Stannis' court makes no sense when he has Melisandre burning Septs and Heart Trees.
Can't wait for Cersei to get off scott-free in the book for blowing up the Vatican like she did in the show. It's ridiculous.

>“Seven save us, what have you done? Have you given one of these boys your maidenhead? Tell me true.”

>“No. I gave it to all three."

>>24516788
i dont have 7 friends

>>24513504

Sansa has learned from Cersei and Littlefinger that security only comes from power and this will turn her to the dark side.

She will marry Harrold Hardyng and soon after, poison Sweetrobin Arryn and then it will be revealed that she is Sansa Stark, which makes and her and her husband Lady and Lord of the Vale and the North.

She will then be complicit in the "accidental" death of Harrold and will subsequently marry Littlefinger, which makes them Lady and Lord of the Vale, the North and the Riverlands.

This will bring her into conflict with her brother Rickon Stark, when he returns from Skagos at the head of an army of unicorn riding cannibals but her evil machinations will somehow be exposed and she'll pay with her head.

You faggots hate Feast and Dance for no good reason.

>>24513504
She'll kill the night king

>>24513504
None of the Stark children has done anything "meaningful" to the plot so far. The closest Arya came to it was starting a rout at Harrenhal that was going to happen anyway.

>>24513504
she's hawt tho, that's the female experience

the little finger and sansa chapters I thought were neat. I like seeing littlefingers plans and scheming and sansa becoming his little apprentice. I dont know if littlefinger has a grand plan overall such as varys and others or if he just uses each situation as it comes up to get himself richer

>>24513504
She's probably going to take out Littlefinger imo

So who's going to be ruling Winterfell at the end of the series? I can't see it being Rickon, I don't think he'll die by the Bolton hands I just don't see it happening but I see Littlefinger pulling some strings to have him killed somehow as a way to accelerate Sansa's succession

>>24519803
Dance is objectively a shit book both standing on its own and as part of a series.

Were Valyrians really the most powerful wizards of all? What about the Asshai’i who taught them?

>>24519803

I liked Jaime's chapters, I liked Cersei's, Sansa's weren't bad, I liked Sam and Victarion's chapters, the Kingsmoot was great, Brienne's were comfy.

I found Hotah and Oakheart's chapters kind of dull though

Feast was a good book and I'm tired of people acting like it's the worst in the series just because it didn't have a lot going on for it like A Storm of Swords did.

Did, did.
It rhymes with shid.

>>24520548
>So who's going to be ruling Winterfell at the end of the series? I can't see it being Rickon

It'll be Rickon Stark.

Robb is dead, Jon Snow is a bastard and sworn to the Nights Watch, Sansa is a girl, (though she'll fight Rickon for the North, see:>>24519738) Arya is a girl and Bran is a tree.

>>24520093
I kinda like the idea that Littlefinger doesn't actually have a grand plan, and he's being mostly reactive.

>"Brandon would know what to do. He always did. It was all meant for Brandon. You, Winterfell, everything. He was born to be a King's Hand and a father to queens. I never asked for this cup to pass to me."

>"Perhaps not," Catelyn said, "but Brandon is dead, and the cup has passed, and you must drink from it, like it or not."

Ned drank from the cup. A King's Hand and a father to queens. Arya and Sansa confirmed for Queenship.

The state of the Riverlands after the Red
wedding? Do Rivermen still suffer at the hands of the Lannisters?

>>24514412
Sleep with me?

>>24515291
Kindly hang yourself and everyone who agrees with you to a early shitty grave.

>>24521305
t. Oakheart hater

>>24520548
Probably Rickon, GRRM did say he had big plans for him with that I can’t see him being killed off. He just won’t rule during winter.

>>24512890 (OP)
Feel like GRRMs original ending was a product of its time. No way what makes a “good king” is essentially surveillance state especially knowing his politics and all the shit that happened post 9/11.

Probably can’t reconcile it with his current world view, especially since I’m willing to bet he just came up with the ending on a whim, with no concrete way to get there.

>>24521229
>I kinda like the idea that Georges self insert doesn't actually have a grand plan, and he's being mostly reactive.
lol, lmao even

I am fully convinced A + J = C + J is true.
Tyrion is Tywins only true born and his personality is identical.

>>24522077
if king bran is his original ending why isn't there any hint or foreshadowing?

>>24522734
Pretty sure there is, in Brans first chapter and in the ones where he is lord of winterfell for a time. When he’s sad about being Bran the Broken.

With the time skip GRRM was hoping to handwave some of the heavy lifting of having Bran be King.

>>24522630
all theories about a character being a secret targ or a targ actually not being a targ are lame and gay!!!!!!!!!

the show probably ruined it but I thought the idea of a jon danaerys paring would be kino. Jon being some undead warging beast man with a devout band of wildlings descending upon the south would be cool.
I can imagine that Jon will be viewed as a genuine demonic threat if you from the south. It would only compound if he manages to link up with the dragon lady. A warging stark bastard with a red witch and a direlwolf at his side has taken over the nights watch, let in the wildings to use as his own personal army, and is now taking over the North.

Surely he will be viewed as a scary villian by everybody when the news reaches below the neck

>>24512890 (OP)
AI is going to finish this series and GRRM is going to seethe and cope so much about it he's going to have a heart attack and die.

>>24522945
I dont see how you could satisfyingly auto generate the rest of the story due to Georges gay gardening method. If even the creator of the story doesn't plan out the story and instead spontanously adds in plot twists and yada yada yada then I dont see how an AI could do it

>>24522945
Current "AI" (by which I suppose you mean LLMs) is nowhere near capable of handling that on its own. It could probably help you ape GRRM's writing style, but if you asked it for a plot it'd just spit out some combination of things it found in Reddit data.
Maybe if some completely new discovery in AI is made, but I doubt it'll happen before he dies of natural causes.

>>24521485
t. little Dornish slut

>>24522883
Not to mention, retarded as fuck.

>I will never finish WINDS, If I do, I will never finish A DREAM OF SPRING. If I do, it won’t be any good. I ought to get some other writer to pinch hit for me… I am going to die soon anyway, because I am so old. I lost all interest in A Song of Ice and Fire decades ago. I don’t give a shit about writing any longer, I just sit around and spend my money.
It's over.

What is the realistic end with Euron that won't result in disappointment?
He is set up way too powerfully, on the brink of either taming a dragon, tearing down the wall, summoning a kraken, or possibly literally a Cthulhu-like monster in the drowned god.
I highly doubt Grrm wants to get that magical, he always seemed to spite it. Euron is borderline unstoppable, can warg, can invade dreams, can contact the faceless men, literally what can't he do. What's the best case scenario that won't be disappointing for Euron. I want him to be the one to usher in the long night but would Grrm ever actually do it

>Just 4 days until David Lightbringer drops his Winds Arya prediction
So fucking hyped

Jonsa status?

>>24523022
> I want him to be the one to usher in the long night but would Grrm ever actually do it
He'll be the one to bring down the Wall with the Horn of Winter Sam has. Atop the Hightower of Oldtown. Like Saruman atop Orthanc he will be consumed by evil. But instead of being a puppet for Sauron like Saruman was, Euron will be a literal puppet/possessed by whatever 'real' god or powerful magical there is. The truth behind the myth of some of the faiths. Like Patchface he'll be a shadow of his former self, like Hodor he'll be forced into a small corner of his own mind, utterly tramuatised and powerless. He'll ride a dragon, bring the Others down from the Wall and he'll be a powerful evil wizard and he won't be able to enjoy any of it and he'll die

>>24523326
kys

>>24523326
he is the absolute worst asoiaf youtuber

>>24523420
A lot of what I think will happen involved theories from David Lightbringer. As much of a meme his theories can be, I think he's spot on that the Hightowers are in League with Euron, using a glass candle to talk to Urrathon Night-Walker who is Euron, and the current head/high priest of the Church of Starry Wisdom, which will be based in *drumroll* the Starry Sept of Oldtown when the city opens its Gates to Euron and proclaims him King of Westeros.
The Church of Starry Wisdom name is taken straight from Lovecraft that worships Nyarlathotep, centred around the worship of a Shining Trapezohedron which is a portal and gives you visions and can take you straight to the Court of Azathoth where you will be eaten by the mindless, voiceless, titanic Great Old Ones that dwell in the void.
George changed it from a shinning gem to black rock that came to the world as a meteor. But I'm sure Euron will be warged and overtaken by Georges Nyarlathotep equivlant as some alien force thats controlling Euron for its own end and is malacious

>>24522972
for you

n + c = j is my favorite parentage theory

>>24523691
ned + catelyn or ned + cersei?

>>24523757
ned plus catelyn
just the idea is so fucking funny

>>24523382
oldtown nigger certified

>>24523917
Fuck off Nazi boy

>Fuck off Nazi boy

>>24524180
>nazi boy is a tranny
Doesn’t surprise me one bit.

>redditanon is back
Don't reply to him this time.

Never mind. Let’s continue like nothing happend.

The most kino possible ending is that Shireen gets burned up north, releasing the grayscale plague through the air, and then Jon C spreads it south, and the greyscale spreads north and South at the same time, ravaging westeros.

People like to defend Dany’s character but once she invades Westeros she loses all pretense of being a good person. She has no connection to its people and any sort of invasion would be selfish in nature, not to mention the foreign hordes she seeks to bring across the narrow sea. Like she can make the Dothraki are stop raping a pillaging or even the ironborn granted the Lannister army is also comically evil but still I doubt she is changing the nature of the people she is going to displace in Westeros.

It's been a good couple years since I last read the books but remind me again why the Iron Island bastards are named Pyke and not something like Salt or Iron

>Love Cat and Viserys
>Hate Dany and Jon
Why am I like this

>>24523917
>>24524180
Why do troons hate Jewish people so much? Plus I thought that the Dornish were Jews

do you think the wildfire under king's landing might be used to blood-sacrifice the entire city?
blood sacrifice is usually performed by lighting things on fire, and king's landing does have a lot of blood in it - king's and normal both - and it would be very, very easy to set on fire
and there is a guy we know
>who loves murdering people
>and who's interested in evil magic
>and who's working on stealing a dragon
>and who might know about the wildfire without anybody having told him about it

How does George sleep at night
How do people defend him
He’s a genuinely awful person

I just finished reading the third book. I thought it was pretty good conclusion, even with the unresolved plots. Seeing that GRRM has all but admitted that the series will never be finished.
Do you anons recommend I continue to books 4 and 5 or is it better to have it as it is?

>>24517530
I think the religions themselves are fine but the way no 'believers' but the Lord of Light's people actually give a shit about any of their gods is kinda funny.

>>24524968
Fun theory but I will believe it when I see it (which is never because the books are never coming out)
>>24524979
He is a hedonist, he sleeps fine drugged up on his piles of money. People defend him because they have been psyopped into defending hecking chungus dragon santa because being a meanie is bad and being a sycophant is good!
>>24524981
Read them, there's still enjoyable parts in there.

>>24523436
Okay but the church of starry wisdom is some fringe chink cult religion in this world. Literally just a reference or nod to Lovecraft like the deep ones, etc.

>>24520655
>Asshai’i who taught them
ashaijeet copeganda

Fact: andals are the most powerful race in the world

>The mazemakers were a race of people who lived in antiquity. The mazemakers constructed vast mazes consisting of blocks of carved stone...
>The purpose of the mazes is unknown as the mazemakers left no written records.
Okay so what the fuck was their problem???

>>24523382
STILL winning

>>24525205
love mazes, simple as

>>24525196
Don't look up what Theon Stark did to the Andals.

>>24524334
I hope the fuck not.

>>24524519
Lannister army is also comically evil?

>>24524693
You’re an ignorant little retard if you think Dornishmen were Jews.
>>24524981
Yes, continue to read through book 4 and 5 all the way to some released chapters of TWOW.

>>24524693
The Dornish are Moors/Spanish
Braavosi are jew-coded though (Littlefinger, Iron Bank)

>>24525601
Venetian.

>>24524979
On stacks of money?

>>24525622
George the Money-Maker Man

>>24525620
And Amsterdam
Braavos seems an amalgation of many canal and merchant cities

>>24525625
I prefer reading Robert Graves to be honest. The rapes are sexier.

>>24525545
>>24525601
>replying to redditanon

Who is TPTWP?

>>24525205
the Andals wouldn't last a day in the Skarch

>>24525759
Daenero

House Hightower?

You guys read poems? Should I buy some poems for some of you? Penguin Classics.

>>24525075
>>24525545
>Read them, there's still enjoyable parts in there.
Alright then, I hope the last book's cliffhanger isn't too bad
>>24525632
Iunno if you are just confusing me with someone else, but just to be safe, kill yourself

Winds announcement in one of these

>>24526439
lmao

>>24526439
>Cancer announcement
>Passes the torch to Brandon Sanderson or some other dog shit writer
>Cancer worse than originally thought
>Death

>>24524646
presumably because the centrality of the Greyjoys, i think. name the bastards after castle pyke and i think the island they live on is also called pyke. and not to mention, the common "salt" and "iron" related things (salt wife etc. iron price) might cause some confusion if bastards were also called one of the two.

i do think that a Salt surname would fit really well though lol

>>24526985
faggerson would never do it, rape, incest and baby killing offends his catholic sensibilities

>>24526985
expanse guys
save us expanse guys

Reading the first book and its alright, but I think the show improved it hugely aging up the characters. Everyone is like 12 and cries all the time and I'm left wondering why the book is even popular.

The big crack and red comet that started the long night was just a volcano erupting filling the air with ash and the crack of the eruption.

>>24527251
>but I think the show improved it hugely aging up the characters
opposite opinion from mine. Watching the show I was constantly wondering why so many characters were fucking retarded. Them being inexperienced kids makes a whole deal of sense. Also I can believe the Cersei in the books is beautiful or whatever, though she is probably the only character in the show that was improved (too much, at times).

What about aragorns tax policy

>>24527561
Leave it.

>>24527561
did we even get the tax policy of anywhere in Westeros?

>>24527604
Rhaenyra loses the Dance of the Dragons because of her tax policy

>>24527561
Strongly recommend you start reading Eileen Power on English economics in the Middle Ages. Then (obviously) CPGB (Historians).

>>24527536
The only thing show improved about Cersei is showing Jaime fucking her from behind instead of the front.

GRRMbros....our response?

>>24527604
Economics are an important part of the series. Littlefinger gains power by slowly bankrupting the realm during Robert's reign. yrells gain power by having money that the crown doesn't have (thanks to Littlefinger), there are food riots during Clash and eventually that turns into the Sparrow movement in Feast. Stannis has to make deals with the Iron Bank, as does Cersei, Dany starts out completely broke so deals with vultures of Qarth, she has to find ways to pay for The Unsullied, etc.

All the kings in F&B have their economic plans laid out. Jaeherys faces a broke kingdom so he needs money. He hires a master of coin and tells him to raise taxes. Everybody gets mad, of course and ready to revolt. Once Jaeherys has enough money, he says "oh, I didn't know about the taxes. It was my evil master of coin going solo. I shall get rid of him and lower your taxes because I'm a good king." Jaeherys the Based gets his money AND everyone thinks he's the good guy.

>>24527889
Cercei having the debt to the faith absolved is pretty huge at the cost of arming them. If she were smart, or mayhaps better yet, a man, could she have still kept them on her side even when armed? The Kettleblack conspiracy was definitely her pushing too far. Same with the Stokeworth plot. God damn, she was an idiot in the last couple books.

>>24527878
Frankly the scene where Dany steals the Unsullied and uses them to cease the city mere seconds after she becomes their masters is really fucking retarded because no one did it sooner, or they would've had some kind of measure involved that would stop someone from buying the slaves and using them to immediately takeover the city.

>>24527926
It's a blink and you miss it detail but within the Unsullied term and conditions they cannot attack the city that sold them.

>>24527926
Didn't Dany free the Unsullied before the slaughter? Meaning they were free to kill whomever they wanted

>>24525620
GRRM making his version of Venice anti-slavery might be the weirdest shit about his universe. That's how Venice grew wealthy.

In general, there's not much reason for Braavos to be wealthy just based on how it's positioned. With Amsterdam almost all of the trade coming out of the Baltic is going to pass by them and could stop there. Venice is where the Adriatic Sea terminates and Venice has massive interest in doing things like controlling Albania so they can control the entrance to the Adriatic as well. Braavos has nothing going for it other than a midpoint for trade from Ib with the rest of the Free Cities.

>>24527878
What GRRM is saying that it doesn't necessarily follow that Aragorn will be a good king because he's some woodsman who's good at leading troops and swinging a sword. Why would he be good at administration? King Robert is GRRM's answer to this, in that Robert doesn't care about the minutia of ruling since he became king because he was good at swinging a hammer, so he hands off ruling to Jon Arryn and all fiscal matters to Littlefinger. This results in a lot of problems because Robert's indifference to administration allows Littlefinger to embezzle a ton of money and basically kick off the whole story by murdering the power behind the throne aka Jon Arryn.

>>24528009
>King Robert is GRRM's answer to this
Eh, I disagree. Robert's problem is not how he became king, but why. He only fought for the throne because he wanted his wife back, and because the king wanted him dead.
(iirc) Aragorn fights for the throne because it is his duty as the rightful king, and he wants to bring order to the realm. He is more like Stannis than Robert, imo.

>>24528204
Also Young Griff. Aegon is raised to be king by foreigners like Aragorn was. None of them is 1 to 1 but I'd imagine Aegon will be George's follow up to Return of the King

>>24528009
>What GRRM is saying that it doesn't necessarily follow that Aragorn will be a good king because he's some woodsman who's good at leading troops and swinging a sword.

Like fAegon, Aragorn was trained from birth to be a leader. He's NOT just some woodsman swinging a sword, he's a descendant of kings and got an education (from humans and elves and wizards) that reflects that.

>>24517682
>It's a medieval setting where the ruling class possesses 19th century views on religion with tongue-in-cheek atheists larping as religious to preserve the status quo, but we're also still supposed to believe that the smallfolk deeply believe in said religions and don't mind it when the nobility does a sacrilege. The High Septon has no power and you can kill him or even destroy religious sites with no repercussions.
Because it's not medieval Europe, things went differently here. It's like if a foreign heathen dynasty conquered Europe using nuclear weapons, converted to Catholicism to preserve the status quo and then proceeded to slaughter all sincere Catholics who rose against it using said nukes.

>>24528251
Robert was intended to rule the Stormlands and was certainly given an education that taught him how to administer a kingdom, but he obviously didn't care for it or didn't spend much time on such endeavors despite being raised by Jon Arryn, who was a skilled administrator. It would be absurd if Robert wasn't educated on administration considering his parents died young and Robert was already technically Lord Paramount of the Stormlands when he started his rebellion. Also, who exactly was ruling the Stormlands for the three years between Robert's parents were killed and a shipwreck and the rebellion where he was still being raised by Jon Arryn? Cressen?

Aragorn was raised by Elrond and was educated until he was 20, he then spends the next SIXTY years as a ranger before the Fellowship was formed. I can understand that this is a mythic story with heavy emphasis on destiny and Aragorn isn't rusty on these things in the text, but Martin is a pedant autismo who is going to be picky about these things despite him reading LotR 50+ times.

>>24528447
>Aragorn was raised by Elrond and was educated until he was 20, he then spends the next SIXTY years as a ranger before the Fellowship was formed.

Aragorn was still hanging out with Elrond and Gandalf and all those guys, it's not like he stopped being who he is.

>>24528009
> What GRRM is saying that it doesn't necessarily follow that Aragorn will be a good king because he's some woodsman who's good at leading troops and swinging a sword. Why would he be good at administration
Nigger did you read the books? He was essentially groomed from birth to lead Gondor. He’s not some rando hick that some how comes to rule the lands of men. Just shows how much of a retard Martian is imo wasn’t the sort of story Tolkien was telling, and he fails to do it in his own works. “What makes a good king?” Ah yes a surveillance state, guy couldn’t even come up with an original ending.

>>24513225
>no "much and more" or "little and less"
So close to a halfway decent copypasta.

What does Preston Jacobs know? He is confident that Winds will never release. Although this is obvious to anyone with a brain, he once referenced something he discovered in George's personal life as the reason that he didn't feel comfortable revealing. Does anyone know what the fuck he was talking about?

>>24528843
Erectile dysfunction.

Dany boners were the last thing powering GRRMs creative output.

>>24528848
The fat pink mast has fallen.

>>24528843
dunno what his source is but he's convinced george's wife has cancer

>>24527101
>catholic sensibilities
You mean Mormon. And he hates the idea of religious characters all being brainwashed crazy poeple, like Melisandre and damphair. WIth everyone else really not believing in them. ASOAIF is far too athetist coded for him.
And that's before the literal blood magic, rape, murder, cannibalism etc

>>24529258
>>24527101
>>24526985
Daniel Abraham and Ty Frank have too much and said they'd refuse now, but when they're offered a blank check to finish the series they'll change their tune. They're Martin's proteges and will finish it.

>>24524981
read all of them
then start writing the sixth and seven book
then change all the names and publish them

>>24527926
>they would've had some kind of measure involved that would stop someone from buying the slaves and using them to immediately takeover the city
hindsight is 20/20
maybe nobody ever tried to buy all of them at once before

>>24527926
Dany freed them, so they were no longer slaves and could do whatever they wanted. They just decided to obey the order to attack the city. It is kinda retarded, yeah but I doubt anyone before Dany freed any of the slaves.

>>24529258
>You mean Mormon.
sure. doesn't change that sanderson is a fat faggot.

So I was thinking about Winterfell and the weirwood trees and how they are all meant to be connected and how it is warm.
I won't exactly call this a theory since it just occurred to me but the Wall has Weirwood Trees in it keeping the wall frozen.
What if the warm air at the wall is being pumped into Winterfell via the Weirwood network? Like a giant refrigerator.

>>24523691
>>24523757
>>24523842
For me it's Ned + Lyanna

God I love Stannis man. I hope GRRM doesn't just go too hard into realism and has him fail at the end. Stannis is way too beloved and cool. Either the nights king theory or just true victory are the only two options. I don't want Stannis to die bros. Please tell me he won't die. He's so funny.

>>24531085
I wish I could tell you anything at all will happen to Stannis because he's been stuck outside winterfell in the snow for the past 15 FUKIN YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IM GONNA HIT YOU WITH MY TRUCK GEORGE!!

>>24531085
Stannis is unironically cooked.

I'm losing hope bros ngl

>>24531085
stannis is definitely gonna win the battle of ice at least

>>24520655
>What about the Asshai’i who taught them?
It's not the Asshai'i since the Asshai'i wrote that an ancient people from the Shadows taught the valyrians their arts. By the description and what the Valyrians were known for, seems that it was the Singers.

Im currently reading through book 4 and im really getting tired of every chapter being traveling

>>24524693
Everyone hates jews.

>>24531192
I just want to see Stannis take the North
Him beating the boltons with his coalition would be super cool.
I know it's probably going to happen and that George has likely written it. But I just want to see how it goes down officially

>The three men were erect. The sight of their arousal was arousing..... - A Dance with Dragons - Daenerys III

why is she like this?

>>24531718
You wouldn't get horny seeing hot dancers/pornstars of your preferred sex perform in front of you?

>>24531427
>it’s the singer was shadowlanders autist
The people who taught the Valyrians are nameless because of how fucking old or forgotten they are, retard. Everything is pointing to some fucked up rapey race of fishmen, not little tree people.

Goddamn you children of the forest fags are so dumb. They couldn’t even defend themselves from a magic-less race of primitive humans savages. What makes you think they’d be able to breed or tame dragons?

>>24531085
Stannis is set up to fail because he represents the just man of honor and Martin doesn't seem to think people like that end up winning. See: Ned Stark.
But CHADnnis beat GRRM because he will never finish his book so Stannis will never lose.

>>24531765
>The people who taught the Valyrians are nameless because of how fucking old or forgotten they are, retard.
The Singers are an ancient race and they are gone now
>Everything is pointing to some fucked up rapey race of fishmen, not little tree people.
The Shadows aren't in the sea
>What makes you think they’d be able to breed or tame dragons?
Probably because of skinchanging...
Got any evidence that the fish people could bond with animals? No, I didn't think so.

>>24531797
ah yes, the just man of honor that kills his family and allows a demon-worshipper to influence his every decision

>>24531982
Renly was a rebel who was only interested in power. Putting him down was the honorable thing to do

>>24531926
>The Singers are an ancient race and they are gone now
No they aren’t. There’s a vestige of some sort in the North.
>The Shadows aren't in the sea
Light does not reach the deep, retard. All sightings of oily/greasy black stone are around coasts or former coasts. That they are wet and greasy at all points to something slimy.
>Probably because of skinchanging...
Something that already exists in Essos you mean?
>Got any evidence that the fish people could bond with animals? No, I didn't think so.
Why would they? They were messed up inhuman breeders. That’s what more than one maester posits on the matter.

>>24531926
I’m also going to point out that the cotf/singers aren’t nameless, it’s just not possible to pronounce for humans.

>>24532000
This. Stannis not letting nepotism get in the way even though he does feel the guilt makes him kinda cool. Even Ned kinda had to betray his values at the end, while Stannis hasn't had to do it yet, and since Book 6 and 7 are never coming out, he is still untainted.
Actually, one thing I never got is why Robert liked Ned but not his own brother, when the two of them are so similar.

>>24532040
>No they aren’t. There’s a vestige of some sort in the North.
Yes, there are a few, but there aren't enough of them to reproduce, they're extinct
>Light does not reach the deep, retard. All sightings of oily/greasy black stone are around coasts or former coasts. That they are wet and greasy at all points to something slimy.
And singers live in dark caves, so they can see in the dark, which is very useful in the Shadowlands
>Why would they? They were messed up inhuman breeders. That’s what more than one maester posits on the matter.
Cause there are some people that can bond with dragons
>>24532045
>I’m also going to point out that the cotf/singers aren’t nameless, it’s just not possible to pronounce for humans.
Not only that, when Bran asks Leaf if she has a name, she replies, “When I need one”.
The Asshai'i may therefore consider the singers to be a people without names

>>24531674
Only retards, racists, Nazi und neo-Nazi, Muslims, trannies, lefties and ignorant bigot antisemtic hates Jews.

>>24531674
I don’t.

>>24532624
>>24532662
hello rabbi

>>24531736
Nope

>>24532624
nigga you described everyone

I dont care for Jews as a whole. Their religion and culture is evil but some individual Jews can be good people provided they don’t subscribe to Jewish supremacist ideals

>>24531192
What if they did something lame where Stannis scores a huge victory defeating the Boltons but dies in battle, maybe even of a random arrow. The last book would have characters moaning about how Stannis was poised to sweep Westeros were he still alive. Wink.

Stannis will win a stunning tactical victory that ends up being a strategic blunder in the long run. He'll smash the Frey host and seize Winterfell with some half-starved southron knights, the greybeards the mountain clans gave him, and the timely cloak turning of the Manderly men but then he'll have to figure out how to garrison and manage a ruined castle that's been sucked dry of supplies by the Boltons while still maintaining momentum against them

prove me how stannis can we the battle of ice

>>24533109
creepy ass castle

>>24533087
Stannis has more men to start
he also has a defensive position

Honestly with all the magic we already have, why NOT have vampires. GRRM describes asoiaf as a "low magic fantasy". There is nothing more simple and basic in a low magic setting as a vampire. Even in the real world people think vampires exist. Fuck it man have Roose be a vampire. I like Quinn the GMs Euron theory where Euron is a vampire, and Damphair = Dhampir. Euron has to get invited in like he does in the moot and I forget what the rest of it was idk it was a good short video.

>>24532709
Hello Adolf.

>>24532774
What’s so evil about Jewish culture and religion? Islam is evil and so are the Islamic mindset.

>>24533498
No! Fuck off with your desire for vampire!
Fuck vampire and fuck you imao. No Euron ain’t a vampire either, fuck your mother.

>>24533498
If you squint sideways wargs are basically vampires.

is david lightbringer /grrm/-aproved?

Another retard out of the woodwork >>24533545

>>24533602

>>24533548
We're a Schwifty thread.

>>24533637
leddit cringe

>>24533621
Fuck you.

>>24533621

How does /grrm/ do it? Even with all it's flaws it still manages to maintain a level of quality far above the other /lit/ generals.

As much as I'm hyped to see (if the book ever comes out) Euron and all his Cthulhu madness, he along with Faegon just feel like such last minute thrown in characters with zero build up.

It's like they were originally meant to just be padding but then spiralled into being more important as grrm wrote.

So I was reading Tuf Voyaging and in the story Second Helpings Tuf introduces a flying species called an ororo, or the Claremontian windrider.
I just thought that was really funny.

>His sister slipped behind the other male and took him from the rear. (ADWD prologue)

GIWTWM

Crackpot theory: The dragons will need to be sacrificed in order to defeat The Others and maybe restore the seasons.

>>24534216
Not too out there.

What is the number 2 house in the Stormlands in terms of power and prestige?

>>24534267
ESTERMONT
>ESTERMONT
ESTERMONT
>ESTERMONT
ESTERMONT
>ESTERMONT
ESTERMONT
>ESTERMONT

>>24533548
a lot of his theories are a little far fetched for me (or straight up schizophrenia) but he's also the only ASOIAFtuber who can hold my interest for longer than 15 minutes

Catelyn's hair was made white after resurrection because it's not only a nod to Jon's Targaryen heritage but Jon himself will undergo a very similar transformation post-ressurection

>>24534266

I think both The Dragons and The Others are going to be gone by the end of A Dream of Spring if GRRM is going for a bookend type of ending then this is a good way of doing it. They are both magical beings that may or may not be linked together so their deaths could be the bittersweet ending that GRRM was talking about

>>24533542
Jewish culture and religion can be boiled down to: “we are the special chosen people, we are the only thing that matters on this earth and goyim are no better than animals, wants us to enslave them and make them worship us”

>>24531797
>Stannis is set up to fail because he represents the just man of honor and Martin doesn't seem to think people like that end up winning. See: Ned Stark.
You got filtered. Ned is winning. The people of the North are willing to fight to the death in the snow just based off of their fond memories of Ned and his justice. Meanwhile, the second Tywin died (at the hands of his son, no less), everybody started disobeying the Lannisters and were more than happy to switch sides for personal gain. Everything Tywin built is crumbling to dust while Ned's legacy will prevail in the end.

>>24534613
*god wants us to

>>24528848
I know this is a joke but I seriously think it's a possibility. So much of the story was obviously written with a cock in hand, if that was not influencing the writing process...there's no story

>400 more pages
At this rate the book will at least be done in 5 more years.

>>24534729
Brother what is your source on this?

>>24534679
I was rereading a few chapters from Feast the other day and I think the pinnacle of George writing one handed is when Arianne is reminiscing about growing up with Tyene and how they "almost gave their maidenhead to the same boy" but Tyene was such a tease that she made Drey bust in his pants before he could fuck her

is there any good asoiaf wallpaper?
I have new 1440p monitor so my 1080p CASTLE BLACK looks bad af now.

White Walker but real

>>24534939

Cyraxx but if an old man

chaos is a ladder

>>24534613
Really?

https://youtube.com/shorts/NiGiKINsDKM?si=iC72EsNIOzI3Bhyx

https://youtube.com/shorts/f6cyGkw9hiw?si=EMt2rCuZXlX1wspi

>>24534969
kys kiwitranny

>>24534939
The ice elves are supposed to be hot thoughbeit

>>24534773

I've been tuned out a while and just saw that post he made a while back bitching about people wanting Winds of Winter
>wahhh you guys don't like any other series i'm involved in wahhh
>wahhh you guys don't believe in me
how can one man be so mindbroken by something he created

does anybody have any theories on how skagos and rickon will play any role what so ever in the story? I mean, him just being the next lord of winterfell is great and all but it seems like a sorta let down if thats all he is meant for.

>>24514243
the one in the Arrrr does. at least in the index iirc

>>24536499
If its true that he has over 1000 and something pages writen down already I just dont see why he needs to keep stalling the release of this book. When he kicks the bucket there has gotta be enough material to at least release this book, surely.

>>24516018
but Hitler was the good guy.
gurm hates them that's why.

I wanna see how faegons blitz through the stormlands goes and kings landing being blown up. With how much the wildfire caches are hyped up I expect the mushroom cloud to be seen from across the narrow sea.

>>24521297
Goldenhand brought peace, prosperity and justice to the land.

>>24522630
>A + J = C + J
what's this?
>his personality is identical.
lmao
Tywin:
>family first
>stern
>calculating
>serious
>reticent
>hides his whoring well
Tyrion:
>hates his family
>fungi
>naive
>unserious
>talkative
>can't hide his whoring from fucking Cersei

>>24536633
aerys + joanna = cersei and jaime

>>24536633
NTA but I think Tyrion-Tywin parallel is extremely apt. Tywin literally is Tyrion but taller than a keg and after developing a gigastick in his asshole from all the salt of Lannister decline under Tytos.

>family first
They are both very family-centric, but neither are "family first". They both use family as crutches for their egos, it's just comes in the form of projected prestige for Tywin, and personal hatred for Tyrion. Eventually both of them seethe at their families for all the other kids with the pumped up kicks talking shit.

>stern
Tywin is only stern with others, and when it suits him. Cersei and Jaime are fucking spoiled rotten, and Westerlands are a shitshow. Tyrion has no issue being stern with others when he finds it beneficial. Sternness is no more than a convinient mask for both of them.

>calculating
>implying Tyrion is not calculating
You could just as well call Tywin naive for spending decades licking Aerys' asshole clean and expecting something for it. Eventually all he ever got out of it was a set of horns (regardless of whether Aerys fucked Joanna - everyone whispers about it, and whispers behind his back are the most painful spot for Tywin), an heir stolen by a white cloak and an opportunity to stab Aerys in the back, which he eventually took. This mirrors Tyrion's arc perfectly - he also tried to serve his thankless mess of a family, got shit for it, and turned coat.

>serious
Fair point, their humor is one stark point of contrast. Where Tywin hides behind prestige and *le serious face*, Tyrion hides behind japes.

>reticent
nah, they both love hearing themselves talk.

>hides his whoring well
Nope. Also convinient ignoring of how for all Tywin's talk, nigga needs dat puss more than air, just like his son.

Overall the image of "like father like son" regarding Tywin and Tyrion is very strong and obviously deliberate. Cersei and Jaime being Aerys' bastards is a pure hypothetical, but thematically it would be extremely kino.

Tywin + Lyanna = Jon Snow

>>24524646
gurm forgot

>marrying your sibling is okay
>marrying your siblings child is okay
>marrying your child is NOT okay!!!!
Targs are retarded

Lyanna of the Tower

Since the world of Elden Ring is a feminist one, where women are more intelligent and better at magic than the men, does this also extend to the world of A Song of Ice & Fire? Are female red priests better than male red priests?

>>24536608
Skagos' reputation could be incredibly deliberate. Get your land known as being full of murdering bloodthirsty cannibals, and no one will want to even risk going there. The cannibalism could very well be true but it's possible it's exaggerated. Skagos instead uses the reputation to deter people from visiting because it's full of wierwoods and children of the forest. Unicorns (albeit ugly) being there inherently proves it's a magical place, or at least one of the last bastions of magic. I think Alt Shift X discusses this or Glidus or one of the other big YouTubers went more in depth but I don't recall it well.

>>24537218
Nowhere in ER or ASOIAF is it implied that men are worse at magic than women.

>>24537218
Female followers of the bearded god shave their heads. Only priests are allowed to have beards. Female red priests are probably better because they can do sex magic or some shit.

>>24537307
>Female red priests are probably better because they can do sex magic or some shit.
How do you know men can't do it? Maybe Vic and Moqorro were having some romantic time in that cabin when the crew heard Valyrian chanting and all the monkeys ran away.

>>24537346
>How do you know men can't do it?
I don't know that and I never claimed to know.

>>24537307
>>24537346
>>24537358
The concept of male shadowbinders raping women (lethally I imagine - it almost killed Melisandre when she did it) to produce shadow assassins is a lot more horrific than a woman seducing a man to produce one.

Really, really think about it. I doubt even George would go into that direction. Or maybe he would. I don’t know. We know that Valyrians forced women to mate with beasts.

>>24536185
Ah looks nice.

>>24534142
100% intentional reference.

>Are female red priests better than male red priests?
Wel of course only women red priests can be shadow binders, so they have a very powerful type of attack only women can do due to the quirk of reproduction
>>24537363
>male shadowbinders just rape women to death to produce shadow assassins
Fucking hell I never considered that possbility. We don't know of any male shadow binders so who knows if they even exist but yeah I guess it would work like that.

>>24536619
Retarded neo-Nazi 4channer fuck.

>>24538153
He said calmly.

>>24538406
Hello anon.

>>24538406
kek nice
>>24538153
i prefer this
>You Malthusian Malcontent! You Anti-semitic rats you!
>Bedeviled egg! Adversary of Logos, repugnant perverter of thought, word, and basic human decency -- Can you not see that your immature and cowardly flight from yourself, your accursed "anonymity" threatens to sever the very fabric of our tenuous modern milieu? You, malignant rat, externalize your extreme unmedicated psychopathic dark tetrad narcissism and it's we, the pro-social open majority who pay the price. You, hyperbolic hatemonger, are manifesting malignity appropriate only for the end-times. Bloody hell, that is where we are headed. The apocalypse! If you possessed one fragmentary iota of the manhood and personal responsibility exhibited by your forefathers, you would crawl back into your unmade cave and wash your corrupt, stinking penis but no, the abyss of Manichean Solipsism has engulfed you totally. Do you have the vaguest comprehension what wrath would be wrought if you wretched anti-Semitical werewolves have your way with the blessed, supple virgin that is our hard-won democracy? Black wizard of hopeless folly, pusillanimous pipsqueak of perfidy and prejudice, idiot ideologue of Dunning-Kruger-deranged moral "superiority" -- I straighten my back and take my meds in righteous defiance of you and your bloody kind! You feculent miasma of hate-regurgitating Machiavellian weasels, go and find some other site to sully! And mark my words, if there is a just God, you and your Holocaust-denying ilk WILL go to Hell. May the supreme master of all dominance hierarchies YHWH have no mercy on your soul. May you be devoured by an archetypal dragon, and may I ever be rid of you interminably abominable, shadow-possessed, snake-tongued TROLL DEMONS!

>>24534267
Used to be Connington.

Anders Yronwood

>>24539078
>"Anders Yronwood is Criston Cole reborn. He whispers in my brother's ear that he should rule after my father, that it is not right for men to kneel to women . . . that Arianne especially is unfit to rule, being the willful wanton that she is."

BASED BLOODROYAL

>>24533498

>>24534267
>Stormlands

>>24534267
>What is the number 2 house in the Stormlands in terms of power and prestige?

One of the marcher lords, as due to their position they had a lot of military strength and independence.

>>24539245

>>24539251

>>24539255

>>24525205
the "mazes" are just letters but you need to look at them from above to actually see it.

BOINK!

Kit Harington should have played Satin.

Fat retard lazy faggot can't write, old ass nigger no talent piece of shit ugly cunt, die motherfucker you failed

>>24539495
Oldtown niggers, our response?!

>>24539495
but enough about me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li7WuSKS7LM

KWAB

>>24539546
Shut the fuck up, skinhead faggot.

>blocks your path

>>24539725
mate you think you are a woman, the faggot in the room is you

So is Daenerys a fire wight? I mean it seems pretty plausible

>>24539777
>Corpse Queen was ice inside according to Old Nan (the indisputable source)
>Daario's cock remains unburned

the wilding-northmen unification will be cool. If Industrialization happens the north would have the resources of, obviously, the north and the lands beyond the wall. The only problem would be food production and the lack of population to exploit all the land and resources which also ties into food production. With a growing population the north would be forced to be subservient to the southern lands and their demands or the food might stop and the north would risk mass starvation.
What could a northern monarch do in the industrial future as to not be exploited and taken advantage of by all the other realms? A very tough situation.

>>24539756
imagine

>>24539777
no, she never died

>>24539791
permanently resolving the white walker/dragons issue will fix the irregular seasonal cycle of planetos and make da norf much more habitable imo

>>24534267
they all suck. the stormlands is the least fleshed out kingdom of westeros.

>>24534939
fin could save him

>>24534939
>Because you've visited this community before

new
>>24539900
>>24539900
>>24539900
>>24539900

>>24539756
the thumbnail looks like a cat looking away and the red spot is its asshole

>>24539495
shitmouth...

>>24525854
Shut up, ape.