>"For without God, there is just emptiness and the tedium of everyday existence. With God, there is no room for tedium, because God fills your soul."

These are last words that came to me just now in my dream before I woke up. What does this even mean? It was a strange dream, but a quite pleasent one. The details of it, I don't remember much. I just knew there was Saint Augustine in it and - as strange as it may seem - the album Siamese Dream by The Smashing Pumpkins was present in it.

I've alwaus struggled with boredom/tedium and considered it the ultimate cancer of existence. I'm not a religious person, but I keep having these religious dreams... this is not the first one. I dreamed about Shiva once and about Buddha and about Christ.

What does it all mean?

I recommend that you read the Book of Ecclesiastes.

>>24516177 (OP)
I strongly advise you take up prayer, to some nondescript deistic God or a particular God. You're being called to something.

correct - God negates life. so called "tedium" is life. All beliefs are black holes that attempt, and fail, to negate reality. "tedious" is how these ideas view life, because ideas produce a zealotry which hates anything that does not conform to the idea. they are limitations. that is why the end result of believing in 'god' is going out into the desert, and dying of intestinal problems from your severe ascetic diet.

>>24516248
also, dreams mean nothing. don't listen to religious faggots who tell you that any emotion you feel is a "sign." I also had intense dreams about jesus. but I later had contradictory dreams where jesus was not something positive but something evil. in one dream I saw jesus transform into satan. they mean nothing.

Filling the void of your existence with a godlike entity that domineers every aspect of your life, truly a tragic, and quite frankly weak beta fate. I pity you because I would never need to stoop to this level of existential cope and ill never have to rely on a “god” to babysit my existence like an absent father

>>24516256
Then you have a defective notion of God, the Good itself.

>>24516177 (OP)
It obviously means you're meant to look within and have a spiritual awakening. In suffering and angst is found the source of religious revelation, and since you've always struggled with tedium, that is where you are finding that unquenchable source of divinity.

Jeet slide thread

Boredom is a healthy and useful emotion, and it begets the higher notions of a man - initiative, will to power, enterprise. "Emptiness and the tedium of everday life" is your spirit calling you to make your mark upon the world. Or you could turn to religion/drugs/pornography/videogames, they're all the same.

>>24516177 (OP)
>What does it all mean?
God is trying to self actualize you

For Aquinas, God is pure actuality (actus purus). This means God already is everything perfectly, completely, and fully. God has no potentiality, no unfulfilled possibilities, and therefore no need or desire to "self-actualize" in the way a created being might. Self-actualization implies a process of growth, development, or becoming more complete, which would be inconsistent with God's perfect and immutable nature.

>>24516177 (OP)
As an atheist, I wish I could experience a relationship with something like a higher power. The people claiming to have done so seem to really find it insightful and enlightening. I am curious and somewhat envious.

>>24516391
Maybe start a dream journal and record any profound or extremely emotionally moving dreams?

>>24516248
>wahh le life negating
kys nietzschean retard

>>24516373
>"Emptiness and the tedium of everday life" is your spirit calling you to make your mark upon the world.
What a bunch of shit.

>>24516448
t. lives an empty and tedious life

>>24516450
Where is this "spirit" in the absence of God? Where is this desire to make a mark on the World within an empty void of potentiality?

>>24516255
>also, dreams mean nothing.
>describes vividly symbolic dreams he has that are evidently meaningful
You're fooling yourself, rather than making an attempt to convince others.

Dreams and meaningful coincidences are what sparked my interest in Christianity, and eventually led to my conversion
Listen to your dream

>>24516177 (OP)

>>24516177 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1D_1MkFwN0

>>24516177 (OP)

it means that you are feeling introspective. it doesn't mean that your imaginary friend is real.

>>24516834
you are wrong

>>24516837
Tell me five facts about your imaginary friend that you believe, then tell me five facts about your imaginary friend that you don't believe. Imagine you're not already emotionally invested, and try to differentiate between the true and false ones with a reliable and valid method.

>>24516456
>Where is this "spirit"

No offense intended Anon but are you fucking retarded?

>>24516894
you are fucking retarded

>>24516899
Why?

>>24516456
>Where is this "spirit" in the absence of God? Where is this desire to make a mark on the World within an empty void of potentiality

Even in the absence of belief in God, many people experience a powerful ‘spirit’—an inner drive, curiosity, or creative impulse

>>24516892
Not who you were replying to, but I'll tell you two facts and you can deduce from them the remaining eight:
I believe that he is, and I don't believe that he isn't. I believe this to be true because he came here and told us so himself.

>>24516906
Cringed a little bit at this point desu

>>24516909
Why?

>>24516915
Cause of the overly moralistic religious tone
>he came here and told us so himself.
Like as if God would have to "come here" to tell us stuff, obviously if you really believed in an all-powerful God he could just beam thoughts into your brain, he wouldn't need to "incarnate" as a lowly human, that's just silly and hallmark of a retarded religion.

>>24516920
Yes, I understand that the way I wrote it has a bit of a boomer evangelical tint, but all the other methods I thought of for expressing the idea were even more pedantic. The point is a very important one, though, so I really hope the style doesn't cause you to stumble.
>Like as if God would have to "come here" to tell us stuff
God doesn't "have" to do anything. He did so out of his infinite love and mercy, that we would come to know him, love him and be forgiven. We are too stupid and evil for it to have been possible in any other way.
>he could just beam thoughts into your brain
He can and he does, and does so very imperatively when he really wants to, but he usually does so very gently and quietly, as he would like for us to come to our own understanding, in our own time and in our own particular way. This is a product of the same infinite love and mercy. What would be the point of creating us if we were only to be some sort of blind automatic worshipping meat golems?
>he wouldn't need to "incarnate" as a lowly human
The fact that he didn't "need" to is one of the reasons why the Incarnation is so glorious, if you are humble enough to accept that he did.
>that's just silly and hallmark of a retarded religion.
What's then the hallmark of a sensible, inteligent religion for you?

>>24516962
I'm not buying it. I dont' believe that God would take on a human form and be born of a virgin, which is a principle point on Christianity. It seems to me that doing so would be unnecessary and unbefitting of a supreme being. A good example I guess would be me, as a father, taking on the form of a toddler in order to teach my infant son about life. That would be retarded and cringe. It would be better for me to just admonish my children from my superior state (that of a grown adult) than lowering myself to the nature of a mouth drooling baby. If there really was a being that "incarnated" to walk around and preach and eventually die on a cross then that clearly wasn't God, in my view.

Furthermore the idea of someone "dying for your sins" is retarded and is actually a form of human sacrifice which (for obvious reasons) is outrageously immoral. A man ought to take responsibility for his own actions, no one else should lose their life to pay for your transgressions, that is clearly a fundamentally immoral concept.

Once I had a dream that I thought was so profound I immediately went to my desk and made a note of it before going back to sleep. When I woke up in the morning and went to my notebook I saw that I had written "the secret will be found by the tome and the fanfare", followed by the word FOX in large capitals underlined several times.

>>24516970
The point is that this isn't about what it seems to you or what it seems to me. The fact is that it actually happened and the evidence is all around and within you, if you care to look at it. The lame can walk and the blind can see. You either accept it and enter the light, where all is evident, or you don't and remain in the darkness, where you can imagine whatever seems "necessary" and "befitting" to you. It just won't be real. I sincerely pray that you come to choose the former.
>>24516979
Of course, but as you said yourself, he didn't need to do it. He wasn't forced, as that would be impossible. He was the one who decided to sacrifice himself, that we would be saved. Then it is immoral to not be thankful for the infinite good he has done us by his wilful suffering.

>>24517020
This is Christcucks in a nutshell, when you point out how immoral and retarded their religion is they'll just resort to saying "it happened", and threaten you with violence and eternal hell for not being on board with their delusions.

Also you don't "sincerely pray" for me, you're just saying that to appear like a good person, you're exactly like the hypocrites that Jesus hated so much with your virtue signalling of how you're going to pray for me, in fact in the Bible it explicitly says to pray in secret and don't announce it in public.

>>24516979
Welcome Home.

>>24517049
Based, I've been reading more about Vedic philosophy though and Pre-Christian Roman / Greek religions.

>>24516177 (OP)
>"For without porn, there is just emptiness and the tedium of everyday existence. With porn, there is no room for tedium, because porn fills your soul."
You can use basically anything. The great secret of life is that only trivial things make it worthwhile, and thus trivial things are the only ones that have true value. I have shown you what has value to me.

>>24516441
What I said has literally nothing to do with nietzsche you fucking pea brain

>>24516177 (OP)
You are high on religion. It works on keeping a lot of people motivated to be productive members of society.
>>24516391
It is like doing drugs, but you aren't doing drugs. It happened to me before. It feels good, but it is weird talking about it like that. Whenever you are discussing anything about religion don't forget that you are dealing with someone that is basically a drug addict, a healthy person, but a drug addict nonetheless.

>>24516979
Christ "dying for your sins" is extremely symbolic and is a fulfillment of centralized temple worship that represents the new covenant superseding the old (John 2:19)
For a sin offering a common man was supposed to bring a "lamb without blemish" (Leviticus 4:32) to the temple, which is exactly what Christ was (John 1:29, 2 Corinthians 5:21)
By choosing to sacrifice himself, he acts as the sin offering for all of mankind, saving them forever (Hebrews 10:1-14).
I apologize if baby's first subjective morality doesn't line up with the actions and word of God Himself

>>24516462
>evidently mean nothing
Yes, the fact that your brain can produce strong emotion and embody this in imagery while you sleep is not a sign from a higher power. If it were, then there would be no way to divine its meaning anyway since you can have contradictory dreams which was the point of my examples. Religious dreams are no different than sex dreams or nightmares.

>>24517174
>"baby's first subjective morality"
>*shilling some stupid barbaric primitive tribal practices*
See? It is like talking to drug addicts. Don't EVER do this in real life, anon. People can even get violent and they will resent you, you are better off not dealing with those kind of people. And it is not even like they can live without their drug, so they are better off that way.

>>24516177 (OP)

>>24517174
Based

>>24517262
>religion is like a drug maaaaaaan

>>24517174
Human sacrifice is fucked up
>No because God did it
Then your so-called "God" is evil and shouldn't be worshipped, Anon.

>>24517452
you are evil

>>24517453
>Me: I think human sacrifice is wrong
>Christcucks: Omg you're evil
???

>>24517458
God do not Sacrifice anyone for anything, he doesn't even care, false idols only do that

>>24516177 (OP)
Whaddya mean what does it mean. Seems pretty fucking obvious to me. Read it again in a day or so

>>24516438
this is the problem with Jung, that's he's a pragmatist. One might be able to live through some falsehood. If you value living over truth, then sure, but truth has a value. Even the Jew Freud believed that, or avowed it anyway

>>24516177 (OP)

>>24516177 (OP)
These words suggest that the emptiness and tedium you've experienced might be a spiritual void. The dream implies that this void, which you've called the "ultimate cancer of existence," can be filled by a connection to what "God" represents.

>>24516177 (OP)

>>24516979
>moralfaggotry
There is no way for a man to pay for an infinite transgression. The Redemption goes incalculably beyond what society terms "morals." All this word really refers to are the laws of reasonable conduct, which leads to happiness. Sin does not mean immoral behavior, it means an offense against almighty God. No one actually had to die in order to forgive this offense or to satisfy God's justice. It is presented in the gospels as God's own free choice, made with the motive of persuading men of his love for them. OP mentioned Saint Augustine, his work is relevant to this point, which is relevant to the idea that "there is no room for tedium, because God fills your soul." The tedium of life is only the ignorance that is dispelled by the Light of the World. When you know God, you don't even want to know anything else, because He is love itself.

>>24518159
What are you talking about? What is this "infinite transgression" that literally all humans have, supposedly, committed?

>>24516177 (OP)
Here you go!
https://urantiapedia.org/en/home

>>24518200
Original sin

>>24518315
Never existed

>>24516177 (OP)

>>24518398
Then all moral judgments are meaningless and you are complaining over nothing.

>>24518488
>Original sin (which btw is not in the Bible and is 100% a cop invented by Christfags) isn't real
>This supposedly renders all moral judgments meaningless
This shit is 100% incoherent.

>>24518507
What happens in Genesis 3 is what all Christians mean by "original sin." To summarize, in Genesis 3 man comes to know good and evil for the first time. How this happened is unimportant to my point: a meaningful moral judgment requires you to know what good and evil are. If no original sin, then no knowledge of good and evil. Therefore if it never existed, then there is no morality. (And in fact it never existed because evil is privative. Judge not.)

>>24518531
Wow, thanks for that explanation. That's utterly retarded, though. Obviously we don't need a talking snake to know right from wrong. Christfag canon is just something else.

>>24518560
>>24518531
retards

>>24518560
I haven't met anyone who knows right from wrong and also doesn't believe in the talking snake.

>>24518592
What exactly do you mean by this Anon, are you saying that belief in the epic Talking-Snake Fable makes you know right from wrong?

>>24518599
What I mean is that most people just give the name "good" or "right" to whatever pleases them and "evil" or "wrong" to whatever displeases them. This class includes all talking snake disbelievers. Some talking snake believers actually do know right from wrong, but it's not a majority. The vast majority are completely ignorant. Do you have any idea what it takes to actually know right from wrong? Can you define the essence of the good?

>>24518624
>most people just give the name "good" or "right" to whatever pleases them and "evil" or "wrong" to whatever displeases them.
Literally all human beings do this btw.

>>24518633
Right, literally all human beings do this. Therefore I am correct when I say that they don't know good and evil. In fact, it's far more incredible to claim that men know right from wrong than it is to claim that there was a talking snake.

>>24518624
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUil1m3P2iI

>>24516177 (OP)
>recongized OP pic as a William Blake despite never having seen it before
I'm loving this "great works of art" anki deck