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>Thread Questions:
>What SF/F books are you currently reading?
>Most imaginative fantasy or sci-fi world?
>Favourite fictional city?
>Favourite/most memorable villains?

>reading house of chains.
>enjoying it
>female character gets mutliated by a man who has a fetish for female genital mutilation
I have a high threshold for disgust but this entire section made me uncomfortable.

>>24520009
Nigger what did you expect from a guy who has a fetish for mutilation.

Friendly Reminder that bakker is KING
>Then the madness fell away. Once again it was the pure thunder of the charge. The strange camaraderie of men bent to a single, fatal purpose. Hummocks, scrub, and the bones of the Vulgar Holy War’s dead rushed beneath. The wind bled through chain links, tousled Thunyeri braids and Tydonni crests. Bright banners slapped against the sky. The heathen, wicked and foul, drew closer, ever closer. One last storm of arrows, these ones almost horizontal to the ground, punching against shield and armour. Some were struck from their saddles. Tongue tips were bitten off in the concussion of the fall. The unhorsed arched across the turf, screamed and swatted at the sky. Wounded mounts danced in frothing circles nearby. The rest thundered on, over grasses, through patches of blooming milkwort waving in the wind. They couched their lances, twenty thousand men draped in great mail hauberks over thick felt, with coifs across their faces and helms that swept down to their cheeks, riding chargers caparisoned in mail or iron plates. The fear dissolved into drunken speed, into the momentum, became so mingled with exhilaration as to be indistinguishable from it. They were addicted to the charge, the Men of the Tusk. Everything focused into the glittering tip of a lance. The target nearer, nearer … The rumble of hooves and drums drowned their kinsmen’s song. They crashed through a thin screen of sumac … Saw eyes whiten in sudden terror. Then impact. The jarring splinter of wood as lances speared through shield, through armour. Suddenly the ground became still and solid beneath them, and the air rang with wails and shouts. Hands drew sword and axe. Everywhere figures grappled and hacked. Horses reared. Blades pitched blood into the sky. And the Kianene fell, undone by their ferocity, crumpling beneath northern hands, dying beneath pale faces and merciless blue eyes. The heathen recoiled from the slaughter—and fled.
KINO

>>24520114
I know. I should’ve got the signs with the Pannion Domin and the Tenescowri in Memories of Ice. I’m still enjoying the book but I guess I’m too normie where I find constant gratuitous misery and torture a bit tiring but I did know what I got myself into.

>>24520009
He doesn't have a fetish for it, he was making her pure just like Sha'ik. Wait till you find out about a certain religion

Just finished this. I don't know how I even got meme'd into reading it. It was really bad. I like the cover tho

Bakker is fag

>>24519998 (OP)
Michael Whelan is the GOAT

>>24520296
How pozzed is it?

>>24520345
With a bad case of TDS if his recent blog post is any indication

>>24519762
>>24519764
I was talking about him infiltrating Heliopolis with this absurd notion that he, pretending to be some no name pixie scrub, could knock out the Fear Knight and aid in the escape from the Gorgons. And that they're actually letting him meet with Glirastes instead of keeping his ass locked up is fucking retarded. People will tell me "just keep reading faggot" but it's just so ridiculous and it's not the first time this series has asked me to suspend my disbelief and I've found it extremely hard to do so.

>>24520365
>They save a jew form demons and he gives them the spear that killed Jesus. Also heavily implies that the jews know more about what's happening since they are the chosen race
>Belzebub impersonates the pope and first thing he does is he gives a decree that you can kill jews on sight without and repercussion. Also declares a crusade
>Mentioned multiple times how they don't understand the people/demons hatred of jews as they are good people and amazing artisans
>Jesus in the body of a little girl but not fully Jesus forces a knight to forgive his wife that cucked him with a guy who stole his lands in order to wear his face
>Same girl constantly forbids him from killing bad people even when she is alive because he killed 2 of them when they first met in order for her to survive

Any fantasy books about old men lusting after female school girls?

I want to read the fantasy book with the greatest cover. Any recs?

What are some of the best schizo-fiction besides Dick?

>>24519998 (OP)
Any recommendations for a solid epic with a lot of badass magic? (Malazan was fully read).
Bonus point: most characters are mages themselves.

>>24520619
Wheel of Time is probably the only other epic with lots of magic. Stormlight too though people will disagree on that because of their hatred for Sanderson. There's also Powder Mage which is less of an epic, but has a good magic system with multiple characters being various types of magic users within a flintlock era so lots of guns too enhancing their magic.

>>24520468
They're the villains that steal princesses and such
>Old man impregnating the damsel Nothing but autistic mongs come of it

Egan reigns supreme

>>24520423
what are you gonna do with yourself when hes gone?

>>24520713
>>24520468
Yeah, they're usually minor antagonists who exist to get easily killed or embarrassed by the hero. It'd be funny if a writer set up a situation like that, and the dirty old man who exists to make the MC look cool turned out actually to be a threat.

>>24520452
Sounds like grade A zogslop.

>>24520530
Dhalgren

Rec me some kino that has pic related vibes.

>>24520530
BleakWarrior

>>24520799
Almost anything by Clark Ashton Smith, specially his Hyperboria and Atlantis stories.

>>24520810
His Zothique stories are his best though.

about halfway through the first novella and this book is insanely bad, but it's also so unintentionally funny i can't stop reading it
the writing is the perfect blend of "what if
Steven Seagal wrote himself into a fantasy novel?" and a 16yo edgelord's Xanga

early on he enters a village and proceeds to slaughter multiple groups of deadly mercenaries while sadly telling them that god doesn't exist, that honor is for losers, and then tops it off with this:

>Masterson used his sword to point at one of his dead sons, then to the other.“You would consider these distractions?”

>“Only if you allow them to be.”

>“And have I?”

>“You have.”

>“Then let me be distracted no further.”

>The Caballeran strode forward.

>A fist smashed into the old man’s face.

>Masterson dropped to his knees, the sword plummeting.

>Bayne hit again. And again. And again.

>The downed mercenary no longer wore a face. His features were flattened, looking like a butchered side of beef. With a last gasp that forced a red bubble between the crushed slash of his mouth, Masterson fell over on his side. Dead. Unmoving. No more.

>>24520839
So what is BAYNE's problem?

The Logos is without

>>24520844
he has something of The Nameless One going on, but if TNO was a half-orc with an int score of 6

just a dude that seemingly can't die and has no memories of his past and wants everyone to shut the fuck up and get out of his way

>>24520452
The first point alone is enough for me to avoid it. Thanks anon.

>>24520793
> written by a gay degenerate black dude about a gay degenerate black dude.
No thanks.

>>24520995
>Black dude
Ahh, you're retarded. Say no more!

Looking for a reason why The First Law should never be discussed here that doesn't boil down to
>Abercrombie is a faggot
or
>it's worse than [insert /sffg/ darling here]

>>24519998 (OP)
>Previous
kek, I missed Elric Wigger's meltdown.

>>24521041
Just talk about what you want. Ignore pseudo jannies who police the thread.

>>24521041
It's The Devils. A lot of people are disappointed.

Books with good waifus?

>>24521041
Is abercrombie an actual homosexual?

>>24521127
Just English

>>24521149
Ah. That clears it up. Thank you.

>>24521041
Whats so bad about it? The ending felt a little disappointing and the whole overarching plot felt like it never really went anywhere, but it wasn't offensively bad or anything. And the characters were really fun.

>>24521149
White British males are mostly gay.

>>24521155
True
>t. White British gay

Who is the best sffg illustrator/artist?

Maybe I'm too young, but it's always weird when a character is called a girl or boy, and the narration reveals they're in their late teens or in some cases early 20s.

>>24520669
thank you, anon

>>24521188
Same bestie, they haven't even had a proper chance to find their gender identity yet.

>>24521191
Huh

>>24521188
You're too young.

>>24521173
John Howe, Michael Whelan, Alan Lee are my kings

>>24521188
I hate when there are anachronistic words/verbiage in fantasy worlds.

>>24521195
>Michael Whelan
There was a cover he made for one of the stormlight books that almost make me wanna give the series another try. Oathbringer I think.

Actually I like all the covers for The stormlight series.

>>24521209
Yeah his work on the covers is great. I'm a bong so I just had the ugly white and red ones but these are great. Whelan did announce though that Wind and Truth was the last illustration he'd do for a book as he's retiring.

>The beauty of LitRPG as a genre that combines the rules of video games with traditional fantasy is that world building becomes more than just an endless expansion of lore. It becomes a gameplay mechanic. Instead of endlessly describing the history of a nation, LitRPG authors have figured out how to make their worlds inherently engaging for readers by making them interactive.

>LitRPG is an adventure fiction subgenre in which characters experience the story through a game-like interface. The form has exploded in popularity over the last decade, largely thanks to the rise of web novels and self-publishing platforms like Royal Road. Unlike traditional fantasy, (...) the world itself becomes a living game board, and the characters' interactions with it are governed by set rules. This shift from static, detailed world building to a more interactive, dynamic model marks a significant evolution in fantasy storytelling.

>One of the most striking aspects of LitRPG world building is its accessibility. In traditional epic fantasy, the sheer intricacy of the setting can be overwhelming. Sanderson, for all his brilliance, has created worlds with histories so deep that casual readers may find themselves lost in the minutiae of the backstory.

>In contrast, LitRPG authors have a built-in mechanism for making world building more digestible: the game interface. By presenting the world through the lens of a game, authors can introduce complex systems in bite-sized pieces.
https://www.kairospublications.com/blog/76ytg6hao662nja8ipgonv7hv3ngud

>>24521222
First Sanderson loses his editor, and now his illustrator. Tough break. You seem well versed in this kind of stuff, anon. Any idea who may be a good choice to replace him?

>>24521234
No idea. The next Stormlight book is 5 years away at a minimum so I doubt it's something they've even thought about. Whoever they get, I just hope they keep it tonally consistent.

>>24521233
What an embarrassing load of autistic bullshit. No doubt this person is 30+ years old with a funkopop collection.

>>24521245
Five years? I thought Sanderson was one of the faster writers out there nowadays. I guess he does have a lot of sidequest books he's doing for some reason. Not sure I understand that. Wouldn't you want to finish your big flagship series? Live direct all your attention into it?

>>24521255
It's 5 years because he's finished the first half of the series and will do Mistborn era 3 next. Once that's finished he will go back to Stormlight. So that's at least three books he'll be releasing plus some other Cosmere related ones and I believe 2030 was the estimated date for Stormlight 6. Considering Wind and Truth ended leading to some sort of Cosmere shared universe thing, it looks like he's trying to tidy everything up for Stormlight.

>>24521260
Seems messy. I hope he knows what he's doing.

>>24521265
As do I because even though he gets shit on, I do enjoy Sanderslop. I think he needs to make his writing tighter and try and steer away from the MCU like feel that Wind and Truth had. If he goes back to early Way of Kings/Words of Radiance quality of writing, I'll be much happier but that was also down to a strong editor. He probably has a lot of power now over publishers that he can refuse an editor or at least pick one favourable to him. He probably is aware of some of the criticism so though we shall see...

>>24521272
>He probably is aware of some of the criticism so though we shall see...
He does seem like the kind of guy who can course correct. There's no way he doesn't know. I've seen even his biggest glazers on Youtube say they weren't pleased with the book.

>>24520296
tl;dr: "I got filtered."

>>24521280
Yeah I hope so too but successful people get high on their own supply and he may just do what he wants.

>>24520839
It is by no means a perfect series (which book is?) but I think you're looking for reasons to dismiss it. There were worse passages you could have chosen. Sorry you're not having fun.
>>24520844
He is something like a demigod thrust into a world of humans and their machinations. You mostly find out the Why during book 2.
>>24521234
>his illustrator
He's had the same in-house Dragonsteel Entertainment™ illustrator (I think he has two, actually; one is Isaac Stewart(?)), since the early days who was drawing the Realmatic symbols like the three forms of Allomancy through Mistborn, all the maps, etc.
Just like he's had the same in-house Dragonsteel Entertainment™ overall LORE editor Peter Ahlstrom (also a personal friend like Isaac) since the early days (before the 2010s). His first illustrator wasn't Michael and his first edtior wasn't Moshe.

>>24521311
So what went wrong with Wind and Truth?

>>24521331
Where does the assumption that Wind and fucking Truth being Sanderson's tipping point come from?

>>24521233
>>24521248

I've been thinking, are there any lit RPGs where the characters can't easily bring up the menu? Where they typically have to sort of figure out what their abilities and stats are.

>>24521151
>Create a bad overarching plot that doesn't go anywhere
>State "actually it's a high fantasy deconstruction" which makes it impervious to criticism

>>24521311
I am explicitly having fun and am doing the opposite of dismissing it. The reason I bring up Seagal in fact is how much it reminds me of a action b-movie in book form
The parts when I'm not having fun are the insane, Eye of Argon-esque sentences like "he quaffed another drink of the amber liquid" but any time he's disemboweling a man or crushing in faces with his mighty fists i'm happy

somebody give me a fantasy book that doesn't melt off the shelf alongside these heaters: mcnaughton's throne of bones, peake's gormenghast, wolfe's sun cycle, vance's lyonesse

I feel like nothing else compares. leiber, dunsany, moorcock, schweitzer, howard, mj harrison, CAS, etc. all have their moments, but nothing can stand up to those above

I should probably just read 19th c. for fiction at this point, I've exhausted 20th c. genre, highbrow, and now fantasy

>>24521349
Some people need to be told that subversion and deconstruction aren't inherently clever.

>>24521233
>In traditional epic fantasy, the sheer intricacy of the setting can be overwhelming.
Yes, and getting lost in the world is kind of the point? It's a feature, not a bug.
Imagine thinking that you have to make the world into a video game for it to be an organic part of the story, or that worldbuilding is defined by "endlessly describing the history of a nation".
Then again, if your idea of worldbuilding is based on Sanderson I can see why you'd yearn for something less bloated.
It's actually fascinating, this person's answer to bad, overly autistic worldbuilding is not to do good worldbuilding but rather to go overboard with the autism and turn everything into stats.

>>24521349
First Law really feels like a stupid person's idea of what ASOIAF is like. Just subversion and edginess for the sake of it, with nothing below the surface.

>>24521390
>insanely bad
That does not sound like you are having fun at all! I was gonna say... there were some typical 'gruesome' fight scenes--I mean, the entire world it takes place in is typical sword n' sorc--so it's not like it's any different than others in its genre. Honestly, some of the Darkbow books were trifling. You can see a fledgling author growing into what he does and does not enjoy writing.

>>24521467
GOT and its consequences have been a disaster for fantasy.

>>24521405
>wolfe
>good
LMAO

What books have characters like The Cunny King?

>>24521041
>>24521149
he's also "hahaha I'm english haha ebul imperialism and colonies!"

>>24521405
Have you read Robert Holdstock or Tanith Lee? They're pretty good.

>>24521519
Put vance in the bottom row with the bad onions jak

>>24521349
>>Create a bad overarching plot that doesn't go anywhere
>kills off one of the main antagonist between books with an off hand reference and makes the other a bumbling retard whos inept at everything
God i hate the 2nd trilogy.
I hate it so much that i cant read his shit anymore, i tried giving the devils a chance, but i feel nothing but disgust.

>>24521405
John Crowley's The Deep
Darrell Schweitzer's The mask of the sorcerer
Keith Robert's Pavane

>>24521657
And other by Crowley like the Ægypt series or Little, Big.

>>24521021
Delany is at least 50% black.

I don't think I've ever hated a fictional character more than I hate Lysander.

>>24521222
This one is one of the if not the best book cover art I ever seen. It evokes the feelings that make you dream of fantasy lands and distant times.

>>24521519
>wolfe
>christian
lmao, ain't nothing "christian" about that book, Wolfe is a sick fuck, he's the biggest troll ever.

>>24521405
What about the GAP series by Stephen Donaldson?

>>24521519
>Robert Holdstock
Thx will try

>>24521657
Yeah I liked The Deep and Engine Summer (I still wonder if Twice a Day's name is libidinous, or just some reference to tylenol). Mask of the Sorcerer also crushes.

Will look into Pavane ty

>>24522096
This looks good. Will look into. Reminds me to read the nordic Poul Anderson book too.

>>24521519
It's fine to dislike sun cycle. puts you in great company in fact: a bunch of handwringing faggots on reddit and no-lifers on 4ch agree with you wholeheartedly!

>>24522088
how

>https://davidmattingly.com/animorphs/
neat

>all these cocksucking bootlickers kneeling before Lysander
I'm gonna throw up

>>24521478
maybe i'm autistic but to me "good" and "entertaining" are two different axes

>>24522123
Rape, torture, murder, deceiving, slavery, genocide, bestiality, cruelty, and even CP and Necrophilia. All of that is used by Wolfe in the Sun Cycle as vehicle for entertainment. And if you wonder "Can't you say the same about any other author of the genre?", Well, Wolfe is particularly known for his deceiving writing antics, he uses everything to torture and play mind-games with the reader. Wolfe is a jerk, and he enjoys it. Any other author always try to play fair, to make their work clear and readable to succeed, not Wolfe. Wolfe doesn't give a fuck, his "evil genius" is stronger than his "Christian self".
In the few interviews available of him, many of them quite lengthy, you can tell there's a little mischievous devil inside of him, at all times, when he laughs and throw jokes around.
He's evil in a genius way, unmerciful with the reader, and that makes the Sun cycle series special, and different from any other writers.

>read Chinese Fantasy stories
>thought there will be insights to chinese philosophy and myths
>Stories are just an angry girl that rebels against father
>random ass outbursts and lust for adventure
>it's all just western myths with a chinaman name stuck on there
>also dragons are serpentine but still act very westernized
>there's nothing about Confucius, Buddhism, or eastern thought crafting the east's culture and customs
>where's the "face"?
>where's the cultivation?
>where's the daoist philosophies?
>Shintoism?
>even the need for "Communism" as the driving force of "Nationalism"
I guess they have some shit about drugs and the opium war and evil white men.

I've been had.

>>24522165
>Rape, torture, murder, deceiving, slavery, genocide

All in the Bible. Even encouraged in the Old Testament

>>24522181
white woman or male playing chinaface to get published. Or its a second or third generation asian in the west who writes this. Asians assimilate hard. They don't give a fuck about their history. They honestly probably think they are on the same level as us whites lol

>>24522181
>Iron widow
>Author just wikis the only Chinese empress
>Writes her like Disney's Mulan
>Darling in the Franxx nonsense
Lol

>>24522230
I know. I said that you can say the same about many other books in the same genre. But with the difference that Wolfe use all of that darkness with an ill intention towards the reader. He enjoys making you walk in circles unable to find a way out from that gallery of horrors. Pilling up unresolved questions in your mind to keep you always in a mourning mood. Keeping you weaker and weaker to face the new crap he has in store for you. He doesn't want you to "enjoy" the reading, he just taunts you, tickling your ever increasing morbid curiosity, knowing that you will keep going just to see what happens, or if there is any light at the end. And you pay the price putting yourself through the torture of the writing devices of that jerk till the very end.
>"Nothing Severian writes indicates what the opaque body may have been; but the
thoughtful reader will find little difficulty in advancing at least one plausible speculation."
That's how he finishes the book, still throwing one more handful of bullshit at your face.. The guy is a piece of shit. Other authors wouldn't dare to fuck around with their readers like that, only a psycho evil bastard would do that so blatantly.

This may sound over-specific, but I love scenes where a bullshiter MC gets called out by a minor antagonist they dismissed as easy to trick or manipulate.

>>24522181
That's Canadian YA. She's also written middle grade.
This is yet another case where I hope it's a troll rather than being this stupid.

>>24522181
>ursula
yeah...not reading that shit

>>24522289
I am indeed very stupid.

>https://www.bitchute.com/video/mG04i9SNf3ap
is this bookchuter right about deathstalker?

>>24522169
I'd use a spray bottle on you if it could go through the screen

Is it worth using my global pity to have a 37.5% chance to get Pamina? My debut summons is low and I'd rather it didn't reset.

>>24522181
>>thought there will be insights to chinese philosophy and myths
Problem is Communism made sure those have jack shit to do with modern China.

The Kane Chronicles was better than Percy Jackson. I've been holding onto this hot take since I was was 12 years old.

>>24522181
>Xiran Jay Zhao
isn't that the hot they/them asian chick who got famous partying with GRRM and letting him get drunk and rant to her about how much he fucking hates Ryan Condal?

zara is the first booktuber i've seen openly shit on the new abercrombie. 1/5 stars. seems like a lot of people were given advanced copies and bought into the hype of a popular author

>>24520452
>Jesus in the body of a little girl
This almost saves it

>>24520735
The same thing I always do:
Ignore his books

>>24522475
>hot they/them asian chick

>>24522498
>If Rebecca Yarros wrote edgy 'The First Law'
OOOF

>>24522524
would

>>24522524
big chinese aunt energy

>>24522524
That's a big nose for a chinese... Is she mixed?

>>24522524
she'd spread for a quirky ytboy with an ironic mullet who listens to sports podcasts

>>24522524
I would, but there's a non-zero chance she also fucked GRRM

I finished Lud-in-the-Mist. I found it beautifully written, but somehow very unpleasant. I did like the history between Lud and the fairy land, the way the Luddites turned everything fairy into all things cursed and obscene while retaining both physical and cultural aspects of their nearly discarded ancestors, the creepy random appearances of fairy stuff that at times tended to take an almost horror like turn. I didn't expect the action to take place mostly in the extremely prosaic Lud, but this was spiced by the occasional fairy incident, so it was fine.
What I really didn't expect was this becoming a detective story, which wouldn't have been bad had it not been kind of boring and uninteresting. It might have been because there was no reason to care about it except maybe curiosity or maybe because I utterly despised the self-absorbed protagonist.
This fed into that unpleasantness I felt throughout the book regarding most of its characters. I don't expect to like everyone when I read a book but it's kind of annoying to be expected to sympathise with the melancholy of some guy who only realises his son is a human being when he gets kidnapped and whose only reaction to finding his kidnapped daughter about to be sold off is that it is a violation of the law in that particular place. The latter in particular stood in stark contrast with his friend who comes to understand and appreciate his own daughter, while our protagonist does not even spare his own a thought. I'm not sure why I disliked this so, considering both children are cardboard cutouts, probably because we're supposed to sympathise with his newfound love for his son which I thought nothing more than a sort of narcissism anyway. His wife and friend are minor characters and still have satisfying development and emotional reunion scenes, unlike the protagonist.
Other than this, I really enjoyed the world Mirrless created. It was the perfect blend of magic and the mundane that tries to shelter itself from it and made me crave fruit.

Man these books were fucking weird. The first one was pretty close to the movie (or rather, the movie didn't change much), so that was fine. But after that they turn into weird bodice-ripper romances in cro magnon times. Like three-quarters of one of the later books involves her spending an entire year in a cave with a white man and neither of them being able to figure out sex with each other because she keeps bending over and presenting like the neanderthals taught her to do but he comes from a matriarchal cromag society so he doesn't understand her signals and doesn't know he's supposed to "take" her. When they finally figure it out they have crazy wild sex for weeks, then go on a journey and stay in a free-love longhouse where once again mutual confusion gets in the way and she sleeps in a black man's bed while he self-flagellates thinking his jealousy and desire to possess her exclusively is wrong. They eventually reconnect and go on a journey and see some horny elephants in musk and watch the semen ooze freely from their massive turgid dicks and get so horny they start fucking in the middle of the elephants.

>>24522088
>>24522165
It's an extremely Christian narrative, quite possibly the MOST non-explicit Christian allegory written. You're approaching it from an extreme surface level and not understanding the work from the philosophical and psychological level it deserves.

It's not about "rape is bad therefore it's not Christian". NOR is it about "there's rape in the bible therefore it IS Christian". Neither are the point. The central image of Christianity is Christ on the cross. Think about why that is. Think about what it GENUINELY represents.

If you're still not getting it, read the Book of Job.. and don't anthropomorphize it.

>>24522524
>chinese
>lived her whole life in canada and US
ok

Im reading empire of silence and its a struggle to get through. Not only is the plot pacing dreadful and in general boring, the author makes sure to deflate tension at every point by telling you what will happen right after any major event.
Is this series one big meme?

>>24522498
Joe reaching peak reddit hype after listening to those retards about writing woman. He can do no wrong right now

>>24521979
Yep it has that 80s-90s fantasy feel. All of the Stormlight art is good but nothing will beat The Way of Kings.

>>24521587
I dont read books by women

What is the main appeal of a heroic fantasy novel? For me I think it is the idea of a person being important and being able to shape the world with their deeds.

>>24522300
>>24522947
Homosexuality is a sin in the eyes of God, anon.

>>24522965
Entertainment.

>>24522965
>the idea of a person being important and being able to shape the world with their deeds.
That is problematic and facist
Real heroism is joining a collective and being an irrelevant part of something greater, sweetie.

>>24522524
I can fix xer

>>24523122
>Fascist
Hence Norman Spinrad's The Iron Dream.

>>24522790
It's a shame that this isn't included here.
https://www.goodreads.com/group/show_book/1029811-sffg?book_id=73574

Got a cool book in the mail the other day check it out. Library of America very nice cover.
Mine is an ex-library (Brooklyn Public Library) copy that still has a protective wrap around the dust jacket. It's removable but I haven't gotten to it yet, which is why I haven't photographed my copy.

It contains
>R. A. Lafferty - Past Master
>Joanna Russ - Picnic on Paradise
>Samuel R. Delany - Nova
>Jack Vance - Emphyrio

Has anyone read Nova or the Joanna Russ novel? Are they any good?
I bought this book mainly for Past Master and because I wanted to read Emphyrio as well, but I have heard of both Delany and Russ. I wanted to read Russ' We Who Are About To at some point and still intend to

>>24520468
The Silver Spike by Glen Cook

>>24523158
The four of them are good.

>>24520468
Lolita, duh.

Anything good about discovering/exploring the ruins of a long lost interstellar technologically advanced precursor race? I'm looking for something where they're 100% quantifiably extinct, not just hiding in a pocket galaxy or some stupid gay shit like that.

>>24523171
I'm glad to hear it, wasn't sure about the Delany novel. People usually talk about his other work and seem somewhat split on it

>>24523222
His books aren't necessarily easy to read and that annoys many fans of conventional SF. Nova is easier than Triton or Dhalgren, though.

I recently read an interview someone conducted with Larry Niven a couple months ago and he cited Nova as probably his favorite science fiction novel he's ever read.

>>24523241
Good to know, if I like Nova I might read more of his. I was wondering if it was alright as an entry point

>>24523249
That also sounds promising

>Anons talking about Delany
Read Hogg. It's his best novel.

>Dark Age chapter 66
what the FUCK this book has gone too far

>What SF/F books are you currently reading
Where dragonlance niggas at?

>>24523304
Is that Victra baby stuff

>>24523314
Yes.
Nailing a newborn baby to a tree is just too hardcore Does ANYTHING good happen to anyone in this book at all?

>>24523319
>Does ANYTHING good happen to anyone in this book at all?
No and it is the same in Lightbringer :)

>>24522524
Asian Americans/Canadians are so funny. They larp as their Asian counterparts but haven't a clue how those cultures live

>>24523122
>problematic and facist [sic]
so there things are that are fascist but not problematic?

>>24522524
she fucked grrm

>>24523423
Dude needs to spread his bloodline, and his wife has well hit the wall.

>>24523423
>>24523451
>>>/lit/grrm

>>24523423
>she
its zer/it/chink you bigot chud
me too allegations coming 1 day after he croaks
>hashtag believe all women/victims!

>>24523511
>>>/lit/grrm

>>24523299
yo what edition do I get there seems to be several censored versions or something

>>24523158
> Jack Vance - Emphyrio
Thats literally the one novel worth reading out of that list. Lafferty is OK, but his books feel very outdated and cartoony.
Avoid anything Delany wrote. He is a degenerate homo.

>>24523527
>Lafferty is OK, but his books feel very outdated and cartoony
there are scenes in past master and fourth mansion I read that were prophetic in there insight to the future. Especially in regards to politics/ideology/control.

>>24523521
Get an edition that isn't censored, duh.

>>24523534
True I agree on that, too bad the rest of it was quirky and childish.

>>24523299
>>24523521
>>24523537
Dont listen to this anon, Hogg isnt worth your time.

>>24523299
>>24523527
>my face when reading the synopsis for Hogg
jesus christ
>Delany's personal life section
>Delany has identified as gay since adolescence.
>In 1991, Delany entered a committed, nonexclusive relationship with Dennis Rickett, previously a homeless book vendor. Their courtship is chronicled in the graphic memoir Bread and Wine: An Erotic Tale of New York (1999)
>Delany is an atheist. He is also a supporter of NAMBLA
Why isn't this degenerate jew locked up? And when are we going to finally collectively admit as society that these kinds of people were severely sexually and mentally abused at a young age?

>>24523558
Anon... he's african-american

Halfway through Golden Son. Mustang is a whore and Darrow is a cuck if he takes her back

>>24523656
She’s just a gold. Taking dick, fucking pussy and doing both at the same time is all they do

>>24523686
>>24523656
Yeah it's established that fucking around isn't seen as a big deal to Golds. Your junk can be for the streets, and as long as your heart belongs to one, it's all good in their eyes. It's been a while since I read the book, but from memory, Mustang doesn't even consider that Darrow might be bothered by this until he expresses that he is, and she's genuinely surprised when she hears it.

>>24523716
Mustang and Darrow were also not dating or a thing at this point so it’s a literal non issue.

>>24523656
Victra best girl

>>24523319
Yes Pax and Electra reunite with their mothers. >>24523324 is shitposting, Light Bringer is Darrow's training arc

>>24523769
>>(You) is shitposting
No becausecassius being brutally killed and then his corpse desecrated is not shitposting anon though dark age has more sad deaths. RIP to the GOATs Alexander, Ephraim, Daxo and Orion

>>24521041
It’s not /bad/ but the man has burned nearly as many words as GRRM and the story has gone nowhere. You can’t write 10 000 pages of setup and think it’s worth it because some people had lunch and found a missing McGuffin inbetween. Not only that, he’s apparently so bored with it he fucks off to write an even more derivative fantasy story.
The entitlement of the asshole who leaves that pile of garbage unfinished and expects you to buy his new unfinished universe is just crazy. Why do people indulge them at all? Fucking finish a series. The best books in the world didn’t need 14 books to tell a story, why do you? World building is a cope, most of what they “build” is entirely meaningless assuming it’s leading to a point at all.

>>24523686
>>24523716
Even golds know it's fucked to leave a man for the guy he has a blood feud with, which is why every other character tries to taunt Darrow with it

>>24523810
They weren't together though

>>24523249
>a white heterosexual Conservative praises a book by a black gay liberal

>>24523319
did the baby deserve it

You guys heard anything about this John A Douglas fiasco? Dude tries to dunk on Hideo Kojima on twitter, twitter posts the dogshit first page of his novel, and now he's getting absolutely blasted from every direction.

I'll probably start Empire of the East tonight or tomorrow. I will finish the Elric saga at a separate date.

>>24523951
Yeah it's pretty funny

>>24521041
There isn't much to say about it besides it being a case study on how character writing, prose, and story telling are different skills.
He can't write a few interesting characters and the sardonic wit of his narration makes his work distinct but the actual story is kind of bland. Probably why his strongest book is the Heroes.

>>24523951
obviously never heard of him before but that opening is so fucking good. it's like something you'd see written as a gag
Beyond that orc thing every single sentence begins with "the"

>>24523943
It was like literally a day old. Does any day old baby deserve to be nailed to a tree?

>>24523951
His twitter is just a constant stream of orc memes. He's been broken

>>24523951
So we've sunk to twitter drama reports. Guess it was inevitable.

>>24523555
>>24523558
>NOOOOO, DON'T READ HOGG!!!
Don't listen to these pussies. Hogg is one of the best works of fiction I've ever had the privilege of experiencing in my 34 years of existence.

>>24524019
>noooo you can only talk about fantasy published in 1930 or earlier!!

>>24523853
Kek, you clearly haven't read about the Ringworld practice of Rishathra. Niven is very clearly a pervert if you read much of his stuff.

>>24524008
if you time travel backward to the birth of Hitler, isn't that the best solution available?

>>24524037
False equivalence because we know what Hitler was like as an adult. The same cannot be said for the baby

>>>>Despite the book's infamous reputation, several respected authors have given it their endorsement. Norman Mailer, for instance, said "There is no question that Hogg by Samuel R. Delany is a serious book with literary merit."

Holy fucking KEK

>>24524028
I'd take exclusively litrpg and romantasy over twitter shit.

>>24523953
it rules. i finished it a couple days ago (i think i posted here) and all three books are excellent

please look forward to Chup

>>24524037
Nice try, rabbi.

>>24524054
What's your favorite Sarah J Maas book

>>24523781
Anon asked if anything good happens in Dark Age and the answer is technically yes. RIP Alexandar and Ephraim though Light Bringer isn't that brutal for the most part with Darrow bringing Diomedes and the Rim into the fold. Cassius's death was bad but balanced a little by Volsung Fá and Atlas dying
Mostly I'm just salty bc Dark Age was sold to me as the most brutal shit ever when it's not nearly as grim as Kingdoms of Death

>>24523951
"There could be Orcs here," said the elvish king. The cool wind felt good against his bare chest. "There is nothing more reviled than the Orc."

>>24524050
>Jew says book about gay depravity written by a black homo is good and meritorious
Nothing new under the sun

>>24524124
"Orcs could be anywhere," exclaimed the elvish king as the refreshing breeze carved splatters of Orc blood into miniature rivers coursing down his bare chest. "No entity within the elvish domain is more reviled than that of the Orc."

>>24524077
so the jews are telling the truth and the holocaust DID happen like they say?
i want him dead not for causing America to be a superpower, not the other things

>>24524130
>Norman Mailer was a kike
NOOOOOOO, MY BRAIN!!!!

>>24524140
>i want him dead not for causing America to be a superpower, not the other things

Shut up already

>>24524199
I will paypal you $100 if you can explain this reaction picture in a way that at least two other people find reasonable

>>24524224
assblasted mad lol

>>24524224
It's a Brit thing, you wouldn't understand.

>>24524140
The Holocaust did happen, and between 5 and 6 million jews in the region died during it, many from the Holocaust.

Just stopping by to recommend this 3 book series. Jake's Magical Market. It's quite good, it did not go the direction I expected at all. I read through a ton of crap in this genre, but this one really stood out.

all I’m gonna say is that red riding chads never derail threads do badly that you end up talking about politics constantly

>>24524253
You're gonna explain how it stands out?

>>24524259
Lots of rape

>>24524262
Now you have my attention.

>>24520452
Kek. Meanwhile Jews only like books like Cats of Seroster for some reason
>>24523558
Delany is not a Jew, he is an African man. Wtf is wrong with people? Jews are obviously Middle-Eastern and yet I constantly meet White rednecks who think they are black and black people who think they are white

>>24524049
Was it a Miri Maz Dur situation?

>>24524268
>>24523592
jew is a state of mind. If you promote degeneracy and evil sick shit it is now Talmudic/satanic which is extreme jooishness. Hope that helps.

>>24524259
The quality of the storytelling stands out. With self publishing so common you have to wade through a lot of stuff where the people aren't that talented. You can tell right away when an author has "it". The guy knows how to get you invested. I find the card system interesting, and a story told from the perspective of a humble shopkeeper with his store as his nice safe home base.

>>24524279
Then you have redefined the word Jew to mean something other than Jew. Just say Satanic or degenerate because most of the Jews I know promote family values. It's like those libs that try to redefine the word White as racist and uptight instead of literally meaning a person with light skin
t. Frenchie and not American

great another thread being shitted up by /pol/niggers

>>24524279
Go back. I've been reading the Talmud and its kino. Better fantasy than what people here think up

>>24524290
They are being sent by Martin because J.R.R Tolkien and Christopher made two Jewish-Canadian men who his heirs and Martin desperately wants to be the next Tolkien. He funds anti-semitism because he cannot allow this to come out

>>24524288
He's right about "Jew" being a state of mind though. I know "Jews", obviously 100% white European ancestry, don't practice Judaism whatsoever, or are even Buddhist or something like that, share exactly the same culture as I do, but still self identify as "Jewish" first and foremost. What the fuck is it other than mental delusion.

i wonder if that one anon who kept crying about the Red Rising art spam is happier with how the last handful of threads have been laced politics vomit

>>24524302
The state of mind you call Jewish is called postmodernist and hedonist and it was mainly created by the French intelligentsia to dab on us French peasants
Jews and Africans are vulnerable to absorbing it because the French either colonized them or used them as a minority go between in earlier times
However in general most of the Jews I meet are just olive to brown men who don't like homosexuals and pray on Saturdays instead of Sundays.

>>24524307
I don't understand what this has to do with red rising

>>24524317
Can't we talk about Cats of Seroster?

>>24524291
This makes me wonder. Why has their never been a Jewish fantasy featuring the obscure creatures in the Talmud instead of just the golem? There have been Arabian nights stories

>>24523969
I thought that was a joke parody post ala what Pratchett used to make; why did they even take the orcs from Tolkien? Elves are a folklore race but orcs were his originals

>>24524326
I've read short short fiction that has that and Lavie Tidhar and other Jewish authors who write themed works do somewhat.

>>24524350
Anything about the frog demons? I thought they were pretty funny

Any good books set in a Northern snowy region of a setting? Like Skyrim or Icewind Dale (in Salavatore's novels or the games). The first part of Barbara Hambly's "Dragonsbane" also qualifies. Mabe something more generic (elves, dwarves, humans) and with comfy vibes.

>>24524298
It's part of a multi-pronged offensive by Martin, who also is gradually subsuming the body of Brandon Sanderson (who has also become a fat beardo over the course of his career, in accord with his possession by GRRM) so that even following the death of his original body he will still be able to live on earth and go on not finishing Winds

>>24524581
Damn

>>24524449
The back half of The Dragonbone Chair and most of the 2nd book deal with a snowy mountainous region. Multiple races call it home so you get perspectives from the outsiders and people who find it very comfy

>>24524449
The Saga of Hrolf Kraki by Poul Anderson

>>24524449
Winter Warriors by David Gemmell

>>24523319
No. There is a hype moment towards the end though. A real put the book down and take a lap around the house kind of thing. You'll know it when you read it.

>>24523781
Dark Age as soon as orion started cracking up, I was like oh wow she's gotta go. I was so happy darrow did it.

If I somewhat disliked Empire of Silence, am I going to like Howling Dark?

Time to read anons slop. Every time there's something fucking retarded, let's make fun of it together

>>24519998 (OP)
The structure of LOGH books is very strong, and it makes me mad the anime killed the pacing by adding filler episodes.

I wonder what happened to that one anon who was writing a book that was supposed to be some religious-y critique(?)... through the main character viewpoint of some ship captain's twink fuckhole lol I guess newfag shit on this Valora book in particular because the author posted a lot.

Honestly, so much shit went wrong in Dark Age that it went past sad and, to me, became kinda funny in a weird way. Especially after reading Iron Gold, I just started expecting things to go horribly wrong, so when it did, it didn't bother me. Especially with how some of these deaths are written.

>>24524862
Valora and twink fuckhole stories are from the same author

>>24524865
What's the name of the other story?

>>24524863
This is how I felt with darrow in Iron Gold. At some point I just realized PB was doing the "main character jobs for an entire book so the new POV characters can shine" thing, so I just accepted it.

Poor fella been trying to get feedback on his book for almost three years now. Good luck Valora anon, you have more discipline than I to actually crank something out back then and improve on it.
>https://warosu.org/lit/thread/21269176#p21275134

I wish the Outsider guy had written books full time instead of his low effort webcomic with a release schedule on a life support drip feed. There's literally nothing similar. Only thing that come slightly close is that webnovel about the blue sex goblin with psychic powers but they fuck way too quick and too often, and I like my girls tall.

Holy shit, boys, I'm starting The Stand tonight. Got the complete uncut version, hardcover for $25 brand new. Nice sewn binding so hopefully it reads well. I'm excited I've never read this.

>>24524872
no idea, he hasn't posted it in awhile. I think he dropped it

The Long Walk is getting a film adaptation

>>24524914
SLAPPY CRAPPY I don't remember the exact phrase. Disappointing book

>>24524253
What genre are you referring to? As someone who is clueless about this series I was actually thinking today I would enjoy a book where it's just the mundane goings on of a magic/fantasy flea market vendor..

Is that what this is? Because I need a book specifically like that..

>>24524930
It starts out that way, but snowballs into a much bigger story. A lot of people classify it as litrpg, but it really isn't, it's just a fantasy science fiction book that barrows some elements from what the litrpg guys are doing. It sounds like more what you're after is Kiki's Delivery Service type story. I was hoping for that also, but I enjoyed the direction he went instead.

>>24524936
LitRPGs are for homosexuals so I'm not sure id enjoy that. Keep me posted if you find fantasy flea market vendor does mundane tasks novel.

>>24524887
hahahahaha what a loser. we shat on his shitty book so badly he's now begging for readers. At least he finished a book. Maybe in 20 years someone will find it in some bargain bin in goodwill and read it.

>>24524958
>we

>>24524862
>religious-y critique
how novel
can't wait

>>24524720
There's a good chance you will, Hadrian is much more active as a character and becomes much less naive about the Cielcin. Plus the setpieces are way cooler. I liked Empire of Silence but Howling Dark elevated the series so much, and it's held to or exceeded those heights since.

>>24524878
I'm glad PB leaned into the Darrow/Lysander dynamic for Light Bringer. Ephraim/Lyria served its purpose, broadening the world; now it's time to focus on Darrow and Lysander constantly working through the fallout of their own decisions toward some sort of peace namely Diomedes becoming Sovereign.

>>24525029
>
if anything happens to virginia or pax, I fully expect Darrow to an hero

should I read lord of the rings before i watch the movies/

>>24525061
If either of them died he'd go on a suicide mission to kill Lysander/Atalantia and go out in a blaze of glory while quoting Lorn

>>24525067
If you want to enjoy the imagery of the book on its own terms, read the book first. Otherwise watch the movie first and then read the book. You'll be a pleb but at least you'll be in the conversation

>>24525067
a lot of people will say yes, but no, I wouldn't. The movies are excellent but you'll like them a lot less with the book fresh in your head, because they're superior and the movies makes a ton of cuts and alterations for the worse

this advice is for the LOTR movies in specific. in terms of the Hobbit, never watch the movies. they're just bad

>>24525078
Imagine Pierce writing 6 books about them trying to make the world a better place only for everyone to realize it's impossible. Like Darrow has the entire world he'd spent 18 years building shattered because he showed mercy to a little shit who didn't deserve it, and he just goes full RED GOD to avenge his family.

>>24525109
alright I'm gonna try fellowship for the fifth time (I couldn't get through it for various reasons the previous four times)

>>24525121
Would be kino
I'm sure Red God will be fun but it feels like PB's caught between chosen one fantasy and gritty anyone-can-die grimdark. The first trilogy already ended with the founding of a new regime, the sequels ending the same way would be a bit disappointing. I think he's banking on a pyrrhic victory for Darrow and company; yeah the Republic wins, but it's bittersweet rather than triumphant. Maybe Darrow gouges out his eyes and wanders off into the Mercurian desert lol

>>24525132
>The first trilogy already ended with the founding of a new regime
He already said he wasn't going to do that this time around. which is bad news for our boy i suppose. I trust Pierce, though. He's earned that much and more. He's a legend if he sticks this landing. And I hope he writes that fantasy book he was talking about next.

Lysander WILL succeed.

>>24525155
You WILL be raped

How do I read Elric?

Can I get a rec for scientific rather than supernatural vampires besides Blindsight?

>>24523308
I used to live in those books during my younger days

>>24521222
>>24522830
>>24520361
post more cover art kino

>it's a Sazed chapter

I'm about to go back to Golden Son

>>24525316
>I'm about to go back to Golden Son
why would you stop to read mistborn of all things LMAOOO

kino

>>24522526
she is a relentless persian bong who goes after fourth wing fans she's a g

>>24525323
Actually, I stopped Mistborn to read Red Rising. I got like 5 chapters into Golden Son and decided to resume Well of Ascension. The difference in pacing is astounding. I mentioned it to my friend who has read both and she commented that, "You better like that it's been a hundred pages and they still haven't been attacked by the army outside their city, because that's literally half of the book"

>>24525327
Very cool covers

I avoid spoilers but what little of your discussions I've read on the latter red rising books makes me think I've picked up a misery porn series which is really going to piss me off even though I've liked the first two books a lot

>>24525336
We're mostly memeing, anon, it's not that bad.

>>24525327
where'd you get those covers?

>>24525316
Imagine pausing golden son to read mistborn, did you need a nap?

>>24525340
https://www.lit-escalates.com/products/original-trilogy-alternate-dust-jackets

>>24525327
The Lightbringer cover confuses me a bit.

See, the thing is, I'm just not going to read them
Haha
Ugggh I know I know sorry
But I'm never going to read these red rising books
Lol!

>>24525368
Is it Cassius? I can’t remember what the scene might be unless it’s best boy just getting the main cover because he’s best boy.

>>24524026
Sad

>>24524922
Yeah, unfortunately.

>>24524989
>through the main character viewpoint of some ship captain's twink fuckhole
I mean...

>>24525386
Fuck off, retard

>>24523951
>Soaked in blood and ash
>Soaked in [...] ash
>The savage cries of its defenders now silent and still
>The savage cries [...] now still

I wouldn't even submit a draft to an editor in this state

>>24525350
Thanks, anon. Saved.

>>24525336
>>24525339
Is it the bakker kind of misery where it seems consistent with the story and characters, or the Rothfuss/Brandon Sandernonion Mornonion misery where it's contrived bad stuff happening only to the MCs because the plot needs it/author is so bad he can't get it done a better way?
I read the first three books, and at least in those it was the latter, which really downgraded the experience. In the first book it was okayish because it kickstarted the plot, but in the others it was just bad

>>24525602
The latter Sanderson kind where bad things happen to characters. It’s not gratuitous violence and misery like Malazan/Bakker. But it also doesn’t shy from it.

>main character misses all signs that a chick is into him
I love this trope so much

Oops! I filtered Darrow and Lysander, whoever they are. Now the thread is usable again.

>>24525687
I will now use their code names so you cannot avoid them :^)

>>24525687
Never going to read these books because of the obnoxious posters
Just like Bakker's trash
Hahaha!

>>24524019
The alternative is actually *reading* the whole fucking book, and nobody wants to read his slop.

>discussing a popular book series makes you obnoxious
imagine being triggered by red rising chads

>omg i'm a chad for discussing a megapopular book series
It's always a newfag every time.

>>24526026
attachment related, the average red rising chad after a long day of discussing the merits of Pierce Brown's magnum opus on reddit with overweight 14 year old girls

>>24526038
whoops

lmao retard

At least it gets them reading, even if it is on the level of the hunger games books fad from a decade ago.

>>24526049
it's not just "on the level of", it literally is YA slop for teen girls and it doesn't make even a cursory attempt to hide it

>newfag is a /v/ crossboarder
wao! very surprising!! just like bakkerfag!!!

Fuck off back to outer /lit/ if you use "Young Adult" as a slur. You don't belong here.

>>24526066
>slur
>>>/reddit/
>>>/facebook/
>>>/funnyjunk/
>>>/instagram/

>>24526067
Pseud

>>24526074
more newfag buzzwords wow!!

>>24523656
Thank you to everyone involved in this discussion for making sure I never read Red Rising!

I won't talk about Red Rising or any other book but I will respond to every post talking about Red Rising to talk about them talking about it. I am morally and intellectually superior.

Picked up two Dan Simmons novels I got Carrion Comfort and Song of Kali. I heard really good things about the former one and lots of people say it's his best, my only experience with him has been the first Hyperion novel.
Which would you say I read next?

Just started part 4 of Dark Age.
As it stands it's the worst book in the series. It started strong and I could take some of the grim nature of it but at a certain point it just became gratuitous. You gotta at least give me some hope at some point but you never get it at least through the first 3 parts. It's not interesting or entertaining when you know going into every storyline that it's completely hopeless and everything that can go to shit will go to shit. Like I just finished the part where Ephraim goes back to warn Sefi and it goes EXACTLY as you would expect it and I found myself very disinterested through it all when I already know he's going to fail.

>>24525188
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?644+None

>>24526194
Red Rising is the worst of the series.

>>24525236
I Am Legend.
The Empire of Fear.

>>24526145
His short stories. He never was very good at novels.

>>24524914
The original is a better book.

>>24525508
ok Linkara

just started the Broken Lands

>>24525508
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdmZJfdrSF8

oh boy time for more newfag spam!

The Lord of the Rings is technically alternate history.

>>24525611
That's just autism and I live it every day of my life

>>24525611
You're in luck, that's one of the most common of all tropes in Japanese media.

>>24526759
You're in luck, it's a common trope in real life too.

I don't even want to finish Dark Age the absurdity of everything involving Lysander is just too much.

>>24526866
>Finishing books
Where the FUCK do you think you are?? Just drop it and start three more and never finish two of those either and then start four others and attempt to read them all simultaneously and then drop them halfway through.

Fucking NEWFAG

How do you even tell if a novel is YA?
I don't think I would be able to tell.

>>24526897
The main character(s) being kids is usually a prime signifier

I swear to god one more switch from Darrow to Effron and my neck is going to break from the whiplash.

>>24526866
Sequel series' are always mistakes

>>24526912
>Main narrator of the novel is a young boy dubbed "Faggot" or "Cocksucker" by the other characters in the book

HOGG IS YOUNG ADULT FICTION YOU GUYS!

>>24526926
Forgot pic

>>24526916
Do you mean Ephraim? Don’t be bad mouthing the grey icon

>>24526916
C'mon man I'm listening to the audio books too but I at least google how things are spelled before I post about them

>>24526932
Whoops. That’s how his audiobook narrator reads his name.

>>24525687
we don't care

>>24526866
Lysander MUST die.

>>24527014
I just hate how fucking perfect he is and how everything works out for him. And I'm still pissed off at his mind's eye magic bullshit too.

>>24527019
There's no way PB let's him keep getting away with it.

>>24527019
>perfect
End of lightbringer disagrees he’s going to ruin his gold alliance once Julia bellona finds out that Cassius’ corpse was mutilated for a lie and this biological
Weapon to kill colours still back fire

>>24527036
Yeah well I'm on Dark Age still I said this.
And I'm not gonna read what you posted for obvious reasons.

>>24527036
I hope Julia Bellona cuts out lysander's heart as vengeance for killing her last son

>>24527055
Me too my goodman

he is going to die 100% I just hope Darrow isn’t dragged down with him

Bakkerchad for life

>>24525327
splitting the author's name on only one cover would drive me nuts!!

>>24527122
Cringe

Donald Trump is the antichrist

>>24527252
Close. It's Barron

Tried reading Stiger's Tigers, Chronicles of an imperial legionary office by Alan Marc Edelheit and good god is it badly written. I don't have high standards but for traditionally published stuff this is shit.
It's to do with the prose being extremely simplistic and the narrator voice being very off, like the protagonist is speaking in his own head in the third person. Just dreadful.

It'll never cease to amaze me how destructive some anons are. It's not enough to be self-destructive, they also have to try to inflict as much harm as possible. Too many are so determined to make where they post as terrible for everyone and then complain about how they're making it terrible.

>>24524914
read Swan Song instead

>>24527284
Who bothered your taut little boipucci?

>>24527284
Which ones? Are you passive-posting? It's pretty tiresome seeing these <current popular tradpub release> communicate to one another in one-to-two sentence blips about what sounds like another bog-standard sociopolitical uprising with supernatural powers YA series.

>>24527284
What is this post in reference to

>>24527322
What makes something YA

>>24526897
It's about complexity and prose. Simplify prose and you get YA. Take Harry potter or the tripod trilogy for example. Both good for the reason that it's easier to digest for smaller minds. This is why women love harry potter and romanceslop. Bakker is not adult because of his edginess. He is adult because of his above average complex philosophy and prose. More so with something like gene wolfe. You think 14 year olds are reading that? Red Rising is YA because of its simple prose. Jack Vance's Dragon Masters, though lowbrow sci fi world of 80s style alien dinosaurs, is not YA because of its complexity in story and prose.
A 14 year old would read Red Rising. Anything that a producer could look at and think "hmmm this could be an easily digestible tv show/movie for the masses!" is YA.

>>24525236
The Strain series

>>24527343
>Red Rising is YA because of its simple prose
this is true for like the first couple of books, but less true the deeper you get into it.

>>24527284
They're simply infantile, like kids who get upset their sand castle didn't end up right, so they'll destroy someone else's as well. I was looking at the old threads linked earlier and the discussion quality has really degraded. Even the 2008 cringe ftw recommendations felt more honest than the endless stream of pol talk and buzzwords. That 2015 thread contained actual discussion you can't have anymore now for some reason. Embarrassing, especially for the lit board.

>>24527563
What do you want to talk about?

>>24527563
>2015 was ten years ago

Can you guys stop talking about Red Rising until I'm caught up so I can participate? Thanks in advance

>>24527720
how far in are you?

>>24527359
I dont have the patience nor time to read a couple of YA books.

>>24527720
Just live-post, anon, we'll use spoiler tags.

>>24527724
That's fine.

>>24527308
By Robert McCammon? I'll add it to my to read list. Pretty sure this is the book you're talking about. I read a quick blurb and it seems like a post apocalyptic book.

Anyways I'm 280 pages into The Stand and it's great so far. Really enjoying it.

>>24527326
I tried to read this, but found the prose really annoying.

It's just so fucking stupid.
Some 20 year old pixie coddled faggot outsmarting Darrow who has lived nothing but war for 15 years get the fuck out of here. Lysander turned this series into a fucking joke.

>>24527934
This is happens when overly identifying with or idolizing a character.

>>24527942
No, if it was any other Gold I could buy it.
Atlas, Atalantia, Apollonius, hell even some no name Gold from the Rim. But not Lysander, it feels cheap and unearned.