Best books with incest?

>>24520851 (OP)
fucking faggot

>>24520851 (OP)

>>24520851 (OP)
The Bible
Oedipus Rex
Metamorphoses
Pierre; or, the Ambiguities

most french books

>>24520896
Such as?

>>24520851 (OP)
If my sister looked like that I'd freak.

any mother/child son novel?

>>24520855
>Liking girls is homosexual.

>>24520851 (OP)
My daughter looks like this and does this.

>>24521084
I mean grandmother/grandson

>>24521044
Confidence africaine

>>24521084
Ma mère

>>24521208
>Ma mère
thanks brother

>>24520880
Being a sex-haver is a prerequisite for reading this book, sadly.

>>24520851 (OP)
This "game" fucking sucks

>>24520880
I know it’s you bataille anon

>>24520851 (OP)

>>24521444
>siegmund and sieglinde are siblings
>siegfried and brünnhilde are aunt and nephew
>kundry seduces parsifal by pretending to be his mother
What was Wagner trying to tell us?

https://warosu.org/lit/thread/19340204#p19340691

>>24521451
He saw the unity of all Love, the only force in the universe and its God, ultimately united.

>totem and taboo

>>24521410
But it has incest so I like it.

>>24521429
I just want more people to read Bataille. He's fascinating and mind blowing once you "get" him, trust me.

>>24520851 (OP)
picrel, used to think this book was clitlit tiktok/pinterest slop but it rapes hard like ted bundy, authoress is up there with Brontës and reminds me of Poppy Z with their comical use of the nword

>>24521092
That's not a girl it's a drawing.

>>24521451
That incest is okay as long as you're Western European.

>>24520851 (OP)
Safe twitter """"""""incest""""""""

>>24520851 (OP)
>Best books with incest?
Catcher in the Rye.

>>24521632
They have sex though.

>>24520851 (OP)
Best books with quadruple amputee cartoon women?

>>24521536
this is post is made by the kind of man that dares to be racist even when behaving like a nigger

>>24521990
The fuck are you talking about? I'm not racist.

>>24521990
>>24522058
Can we get the bloke above in the thread whose daughter does OP's pic to quadruple amputate her instead of talking about racism?

>>24521980
It's fake implied bullshit, nothing like a kino nakige

I feel like people overrate the weirdness of incest. Would i ever engage in it? Fuck no. Is it on the same level as pedophilia? FUCCCCKKKKK NOOOOOOO. (Only talking about incest between people of the same age)

>>24520851 (OP)
One hundred years of incest

>>24520851 (OP)
better than anything posted so far

>>24522162
It's because incest is only really practiced under abuse in most cases in real life. It's very rarely Lord Byron having an affair with his sister or Anis Nin seducing her father. 99% of the time it's fat dysgenics raping one another. It's important to seperate the fantasy with the reality.

>>24522179
1upping you

>>24521605
"girl" is not a girl, it's a word.

>>24522904
I like raping words.

>>24522907
Silly anon, I think you meant to say "rapping" haha

>>24522976
No I didn't.

>>24521536
No it doesn’t. That’s why it sucks

>>24522904
whoa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ41Se5Lk2s

>>24521605
If you still desire 3DPD you don't belong on this site

>>24520851 (OP)
The Irregular at Magic High School
Oreimo

Fuck I wish Cormacc would have given us an account of eroticism between the brother and sister in the Passenger and Stella Marais.

>>24522179
There is no incest in ada or ardor lol

You've been spamming this on every blue board
Get a life

>>24520851 (OP)
The Brothers Kharamaov

It's incredible how this game story mogs so hard the 99% of books from this century, and it's just a M Rated Invader Zim adjacent.

>>24520851 (OP)
Any book about degenerate sex must include Marquis de Sade's "The 120 Days of Sodom." You're going to get all the incest you want and way, way more. Nabokov's "Ada" as well.

Are there any books about incest urges that aren't smut?
t. dude with a deeply repressed thing for his sister trying to come to terms with it

>>24525285
Pierre; or, The Ambiguities

>>24520851 (OP)

How is it that no one has posted the obvious choice yet?

>>24521605
sadly

Flowers in the Attic comes to mind.

Also Matilda by Marry Shelley is very good. Quite literally the best book I read last year.

>>24525967

The true brilliance of this is that that all the incestphobes are furry, thus automatically rendering anything they say wrong.

>>24525967
In reality it utterly fucks up family/household dynamics.

I don't really care about two people from different households who were raised separately, even if it has higher risk of genetic issues.
Like cosines is whatever.
But when it's disruptive to the family it's purely anti-social behavor and shouldn't be tolerated. Destruction of the family is a bad thing and should never be praised.

Ada, or ardor by Nabokov is the shiny example of incest done right

>2 cousins fall in love as kids
>the book details their numerous love affairs in detail from when they started at fucking at like 12 all the way until old age
>no incest is wrong cliche moral
>they are still in love in old age and die together
>turns out they weren’t even cousins they were brother and sister the whole time
>they know and don’t care

>>24525985
>Like cosines is whatever
What about tangents?

>>24525990

That was the entire post, anon.

>>24525985
Egypt at one point reached a point where a fifth of all marriages were between siblings and maintained the practice for several centuries without seeing any such destruction. This is further corroborated by numerous classical authors, who unlike you and me actually had contemporary examples of tolerated close-kin incest to observe. Despite being critical of such practices and denouncing them as wicked, none of them allege any form of dissolution or damage to the family.

>>24525967
I like reddit bc is probably the only place that has so many strawman ideas and opinions from different sides in one box imo

>>24526016
Egypt is a shithole. Just because Egypt did something doesn't mean it's a argument for that thing.
They also smeared crocodile shit up their vaginas and used bird shit in makeup.
As well as practiced slavery for thousands of years.

Also quot mining a unnamed source is about as valid as a infographic on /pol/.

>>24526034
Yeah, and Phoenicians threw babies into furnaces, Greeks molested young boys, etc, etc. You can dismiss every single great civilization of antiquity as a shithole if you look hard enough. Doesn't make their examples any less informative on the matter of whether incest destroys the family or not, but nice try.
>Also quot mining a unnamed source is about as valid as a infographic on /pol/.
It's from Paul John Frandsen. You can read a summary of his work here:
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17575821

Or grab it off libgen. Either way, he makes a very falsifiable claim in the image he posted. You can either find examples of accounts alleging this destruction of the family, or make a convincing argument why none of the numerous authors commenting on the subject appeared to believe that it happened despite otherwise heaping no shortage of scorn on Persians or Egyptians for their sexual proclivities. But I suspect you'll do neither.

>>24526034

Egypt is a shithole today. It was the pinnacle of civilization in the pre-roman world.

>>24526070
>he posted
*I

>>24525809
>>24525933
>Flowers in the Attic
Is it good or just teen goth shit?

>>24527509
I thought it was good but...I was a teen goth when I read it so might be bias.

>>24526070
Seems about as valid as the global goddess worshiping witch cult theory, which is to say totally speculative and poorly supported.

>>24527712
>Seems about as valid as the global goddess worshiping witch cult theory, which is to say
IT CAME TO ME IN A DREAM
IT MAKES GOOD POETRY
WELSH AND IRISH ARE THE BEST PEOPLE IN REALITY BECAUSE THEY ARE NATURALLY POETIC

QUOD ERAT DEMONSTRATUM

>>24527712
Which, the argument on the silence of contemporary authors, or the linked work itself? The former is secondary to the main point that the supposed "utterly" destructive nature of incest doesn't square with the widespread, centuries-long practice in two major ancient societies that show no evidence of suffering for it. If you can offer a reason for this discrepancy, it would be great to hear it.

>>24520851 (OP)
ADA

>>24521535
How did this guy's theories become so widely acclaimed again?

>>24525967
My sister tried killing herself, one of her complaints in the long list of grievances toqards our family was that I didn't love her enough, didn't call her pretty enough, was too critical of her appearance, maybe I should have raped her, at least then she would have known that she was desirable to me.

>>24520851 (OP)

>>24520851 (OP)
my diary desu

>>24525967
...what's the counterargument against #3 here. it seems pretty airtight

>>24520851 (OP)
Technically. Is it the best book for incest porn? Not at all. But you might get saved if you read it.

Flowers in the Attic by V. C. An3drews

>>24530487
The power imbalance between two identical twins is much less than the power imbalance between a man and his wife. The entire concept of "power imbalance bad" was invented by women to make you feel bad for being a man.

>>24520851 (OP)
This game and everyone who likes it are just evil.

>>24523447
Are you retarded? Or doing a big brain it was all in Van's head thing.
>>24522179
The correct answer.

>>24530785
What's evil about it?

>>24530805
The world of Andy & Leyley is nihilistic and the characters are irredeemable scumbags with no hope for redemption. Even the immortal souls of the characters are reflected as their relative self-worthiness, rather than any concrete representation of their deeds/sins.

>>24530807
Yeah, but that's not evil.

>>24530871
>immorality is not evil
Guess I'm talking to a fucking faggot who will never concede.

>>24525986
Damn Nabokov was basically a degen fanfic writer

>>24525967
>none of the arguments is about ruining pure familial relationship

>>24527509
>One night, Cathy comes across her sleeping stepfather and kisses him. When Chris learns of the kiss, he rapes Cathy in a fit of jealousy and rage.
Mentally ill cuckshit.

>>24531077
The OP is probably a Marxist trannie who gets turned on by destroying family traditions.

>>24529947
>didn't call her pretty enough
This is the complaint I get from my gf, not from any of my sisters. Your sister certainly has some issues if she seeks physical validation from you.

>>24525967
>bigot
I am very much pro-incest but I refuse to align myself with the absolute faggots who use this word unironically.

Only half ironic

>>24525986
Except the guy (forget his name) gets cucked
Still a great book

>>24521084
we need more of this

>>24531214
>Except the guy (forget his name) gets cucked
Ah, I was wondering how a book by that cuck author could sound so based.

>>24520851 (OP)
can't help jerking off every time i see this picture sigh

>>24526034
lol moralfaggot

>>24520851 (OP)
If you like nu-Nihon fiction, this book features incest, child rape and other such content.

>>24521208
Thanks.

>>24529947
>My sister tried killing herself, one of her complaints in the long list of grievances toqards our family was that I didn't love her enough, didn't call her pretty enough, was too critical of her appearance, maybe I should have raped her, at least then she would have known that she was desirable to me.
Borderline Personality Disorder ?
Also, did she spend years in therapy before the suicide attempt ?

>>24521568
please elaborate on that quote in your pic

>>24520851 (OP)
The cement garden, flowers in the attic, double edged by nyla

For greentexts, read a forgotten epic known as tasha's brother ( I was there for the original threads )

>>24533575
>For greentexts, read a forgotten epic known as tasha's brother ( I was there for the original threads )
On this note, OHB

>>24529947
Is she pretty, desu?

>>24533616
>>24533575
thanks

>>24533575
Read 2 sentences of Tasha's brother. Pedo shit and first words out Tasha's mouth are something like "are you alright bruv?"

>>24535185
I searched it up thinking it was a book but it's just an internet larp. Foul.

>>24520851 (OP)
metamorphoses

>>24529691
Psychologist found him to be the easiest to read so they just stuck with him.

>>24520851 (OP)
Do you want to read my character AI chats?

>>24536435
Yeah

It's a fixture of tragic works, but most are actually... what's the word... surrogate.
It's literally oedepal where a lover assumes the position of a legitimate husband, it's a surrogacy which implies a secession of illegitimate lovers. The son is the illegitimate successor of the father, and you know that when the father is implied to be legitimate in some unspeakable way.

So for example I argue that the French lieutenants woman is incestuous which is why women go for it.

It's never exactly spelled out why the female protagonist is a fallen women, but it's aluded to that her "god" and saviour was a real man. Rather than a lover, he was her father, and that's the unspeakable issue which gives rise to the surrogacy of the new lover.... who is the illegitimate successor and her brother. And there's a lot of references to her as her brothers keeper, and her compasion being too physical. The political analogy of the commons is intensely naturalistic and identifies that she has been over capitolized, left barren, the social argument against incest.

The book is jammed full of incest analogies

>>24537123
which book are you talking about

>>24536435
are they depraved enough?

>>24525985
This. There was always an odd tension between me and my cousin but I knew that if we went through with it it would fuck everything up.

>>24525985
>siblings fucking is somehow anti-family and disruptive because... father meathead says so

>leave
>start a better family

>>24537513
>which book are you talking about
Definitely not the one he mentions in the first sentence.

>>24537570
Very :(

>>24521081

I would also be extremely alarmed if my sister suddenly became a two dimensional animated character

what do I do if my second cousin clearly has a crush on me? is that even still incest? its still kinda socially weird tho since im still basically fucking my uncles daughter

>>24529691
Literally every idea of his has a core of undeniable truth. The worst that can be said about him is he may have gone a bit far in a few places.

Kill yourself

>>24538553
KYS (Kiss Your Sister)

>>24531171
>>24532984
She spent time in therapy afterwards, had some manic behavior afterwards but chilled out a few months later. Stopped talking to her maybe a year later, she became difficult to be around, bitch move on my part. Perhaps I was jealous or angry that she had taken away my naive thoughts regarding the consequences of suicide because I would not have failed.
>>24533882
When she was young and did ballet she was beautiful. Petite, lithe arms and legs, spent a lot of time outside with her friends so she always had tan lines. I hardly have any memories of my childhood but from the photos my father has in his house, she was a very beautiful child. The only fault in her appearance I can find from her childhood was the Dora the Explorer haircut my father gave her, but she wore it well. As she grew the injuries inflicted by ballet, volleyball, and track caught up with her, she became engrossed in nigger culture worship (tho she does have a white bf and constantly reminds him of his whiteness, I do suspect she paid the toll at some point). She gained weight, particularly in her face, giving her an odd bobble head look within the past few years that she has lost weight, lots of tattoos and suicide scars. From what my father has told me, she has a good job and although her bf is not as enthusiastic as she would like, she has a good life. In the photos she sends to my father, I hate the way she smiles with her head tilting to her left shoulder, head slightly raised, making that dumbass artificial :3 smile, body facing halfway from the camera, right leg slid behind the left.

I once read a 30000 word greentext about BrotherxLoli Sister romance

>>24539212
Is it the one the other guy mentioned? Tasha or something?

>>24537123
>incestuous which is why women go for it.
Why do women love incest so much? I thought I was messed up but I've spoken to girls who have far more extreme fantasies than me. Why are women like this?

There’s actually nothing wrong with incest—it’s just really fucking weird, on a fundamental level. Other than that, best rec is erotic stories published on adult websites.

>>24540011
You just need to take one look at India and Pakistan to know there are many problems with incest.

I miss when I would write hundreds of pages of incest smut and share it with a girl I met online who had green eyes and curly dark hair. I wonder how she's doing.

>>24520851 (OP)
Casanova, Histoire de ma vie.
he fucks his daughter.
she wants it badly.

>>24540324
>Casanova seduces his bastard daughter without even knowing about their relation and even proposes to her
>Her mother stops them and tell them the truth
>His response is to have a threesome with the two of them

>>24540011
>it’s just really fucking weird, on a fundamental level
Wrong.

>>24538311
reproducing with 2nd to 4th cousins is unironically ideal for healthy offspring

Too much incest or inversely too much interracial breeding usually leads to medical defects, don't tell the coalburners when their kid robs a store and gets shot getting an organ donor is impossible (;

>>24521568
>Quote
You want me to read works from a masochist?

>>24525967
>Not addressing the genetic issues
This is why yuri incest is the best

Truly, sister/sister romance is the most sacred and pure holy land.

I want to kiss my sister

>>24542373
ywnbaw, sisters are meant to share a cock

>>24542373
>>24543028
Exactly, dad/twin wins again

>>24531214
Characters name was Van. Short for Ivan in this case. And I wouldn’t really say he was cucked like that as he was also banging numerous women himself on the side. Hell even the first couple chapters had him and his schoolmates going around banging slutty older women and underage girls while he was like 12 or something.

That shit was unhinged. In only 2 pages it goes from taking about a gay boy being used by the other boys at the boarding school to the main character banging a shopkeeper that was selling her services on the side along side her very much underage assistant.

>>24520855
Seething

pic related was the only realistic consensual sibling-incest book I could find. Unfortunately it does not have a happy ending. Looks like fanfics are the only remaining source for that

>>24525809
>>24525933
Flowers in the Attic sucks. I fell asleep after the first million pages of nothing happening.

>>24525986
>cousins
I was about to complain about this, but if they turn out to be brother and sister then i suppose it's legit. Too bad everyone will think you're a pedo if you read anything by that author


>>24531171
>Your sister certainly has some issues
whoa! and here I thought she just tried to kill herself for funsies

>>24533575
>The cement garden
I was so disappointed by that one. Might as well just scribble "and then they fucked" at the end of any other book.

>tasha's brother
I don't mind greentexts/larps, but I dropped that one at 7%, when they revealed they aren't even related. defeats the entire point imo

>>24538553
>frogposter

>>24540011
but I don't want to read porn, I want a real story.

>>24542373
>>24543305
or just don't get pregnant? It's not that difficult.

>>24541118
as i remember it:
Coming back in Italy from a trip of 20 years he found his unknown daughter married to an old hag, with whom he has a supercool relationship since the oldskin is freemason like him, and he takes a walk in the garden with his daughter and a friend of her. his daughter sits on his legs as a game, and since he has a hard on, she tells her friend to fuck off, and fucks her father.

>>24533575
>The cement garden
The incest is 2%, the other 98% is poverty, misery and burying a parent. I like how people skip that part, fucking psychos.

>>24543832
more like 0.002%

>>24543548
OP asked for literature.

You seems to only be interested in porn/smut/erotica that affirms your world view.

>>24542344
No.
He will say u should read ones from sadists tho
What do u think a sadist is doing with their victim except trying to destroy their own ego?

>>24520855
Author?

Nobody said Absalom Absalom yet!? Really!?

Also
>Os Maias
>One Hundred Years of Solitude
>NOT the sound and the fury

>>24520851 (OP)
>>24525809
tiddies

>>24543548
>whoa! and here I thought she just tried to kill herself for funsies
Women never try to kill themself. They just like the attention a suicide attempt brings. It's not hard to sucessfully kill yourself.

>>24520851 (OP)
Is this more AI leilei art? Your reply will affect my motivation

>>24538526
Freud recanted late on that he doubted he actually ever treated a real incest case

A couple of years ago I followed a couple of case study reports about incest this is from a paper from 1962 reporting on incest cases that were meant to highlight how incest wasn't limited to abuse cases that tended to come to light from police reports.

>*Mothers in Incest Cases*
> There is evidence to suggest that the mothers in cases of father-daaghter incest often encourage such activity by frustrating their husbands sexually, deserting them in some fashion, and leaving the daughter to assume the maternal role. Ebneff found that 44 wives in 100 cases studied were not available as sex partners. In Riemer's sample, almost without exception the incestuous father had been barred from intercourse with his wife, usually because of childbirth or her absence, just before the onset of incest. Weinberg indicates that many of the wives appeared to have behaved in a sexually provocative manner, and then to have refused to cooperate sexually. Kaufman, Peck and Tagiuri found that incest usually began when both father and daughter felt the mother had abandoned them, either by giving birth to a new child, turning to the maternal grandmother, or developing some new interest outside the home. They describe the case of a woman who slept in a bedroom separate from her husband, protesting that she was unable to tolerate his snoring, and sent her oldest daughter in to sleep with him "so he wouldn't be lonely."

It was a peculier read
Irving B, Weiner (1962) Father-daughter incest: A clinical report

>>24525967
>flower symbol and a flag too
I want to disembowel these faggots for
/r/incestisntwrong got colonised by militant freaks

>>24545898
Abuse and consent can be understood differently by different people and cultures. Which is also true for 1962 America. By abuse or harm they may simply mean there was no physical abuse or harm. Which doesn't say much about how the daughters felt about it mentally, especially after growing up.

There's the recent case of Madeline Soto who was killed by her stepfather at the age of 13 after years of sexual abuse and rape:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr48Wnw0uew

The mother clearly knew what was going on, and similar to your case would sleep in a different room while leaving her daughter to sleep in the same bed as the step-father. She claimed to not know anything about the abuse, but its clear she did know about it. Its not clear why she let her daughter get abused, to the point she would go to the other room so he could rape her, but it looks like he started abusing the daughter and the mother simply ignored what was going on probably out of fear he was going to leave her or something similar.

Not saying that's the case with your example, but I wouldn't be surprised.

>>24546119
er I think you've misunderstood me.
mpst case reports on incest tend to arise as a result of police involvement which biased the perception of incestuous relationships within the literature.

It's worth reading.

>>24546119
>stepfather
not incest

>>24546119
Statistically there's very few things that are more of a sexual threat to a young girl than mommy's new boyfriend.

>>24523012
yes it does
on the nose flirting throughout the entire game aside, they literally have sex
it sucks because it reads like an edgy 14 year old deviantartist's fanfiction

>>24544669
not really, sex is completely optional, but if it happens I'd prefer for it to be a minor part of the story and it doesn't need to get explicit.

>world view
see >>24525967

>>24545821
ok incel

>>24520851 (OP)
James Ellroy admitted he had sexual fantasies of his mother as a boy. His mother was later murdered.

Now all of his books are filled with incest.

>>24527509
It isn’t teen goth shit, it was literally written for old people when it came out. Most of its readership was over 60.

>>24520892
the bible only has a few pieces, the rape of Lot and Abraham's half sister bing the two I remember, leviticus is the most relevant

Katherine kerr and Raymond E feist wrote incest into some of their plots.
Feist had some dragon lord get with his own daughter and birth a mad dragon.
katherine kerr's got weird.
Not really a fan of eith writer but I remember they featured incest. Also JV Jone's bakers's boy books involve a brother and sister couple but they only realise later.

>>24520851 (OP)
The Broken Sword

>>24543548
>I don't mind greentexts/larps, but I dropped that one at 7%, when they revealed they aren't even related. defeats the entire point imo
Wait for real? I never bothered with that sort of over shilled tale but I guess /b/ has no taste

>>24525985
>In reality it utterly fucks up family/household dynamics.

>date your sister
>get dumped
incest break ups must be a hassle

>>24548509
just like any school/workplace romance that you can't easily escape from. But not all breakups end up messy, it just gets awkward again, like the initial switch from sibling to partner

>>24525985
Counterpoint: The intensity of the bond and the higher stakes of staying together can forge a relationship leagues above normie relationships. In short, it is the ultimate romance, the violation of taboo out of love and devotion for the other, the mutual violation of this taboo, placing the importance of the other as higher than your own image in social standing, the blood bond you have which unites the two more than any other two people possibly could. This relationship approaches "Till death do we part" in a more real way than any other could. Under the correct circumstances, this is the pinnacle of human romance.

>>24548509
God, that would be rough for years. Especially if you still had to share a house.

>>24549698
In fiction, sure.
In reality not so much.

>>24550728
Proofs?

>>24551290
Of it working in fiction?
Forbidden by Tabitha Suzuma comes to mind.

Or do you mean real life, in which case beside antidotes and sociological data what exactly do you expect as proof ether way?

>>24551342
Yeah, real life. On what basis do you say that it doesn't work?

>>24551418
https://alljournals.blog/incest-devastating-impacts-on-family-relationships/

>>24540004
It's not incest, it's daddy issues

>>24551445
That article seems more about domestic violence and laws than impact of incest. Can you share how consensual brother-sister incest ruins families?

>>24551473
NTA but siblings are meant to be close in childhood, have a volatile relationship in their teens where they will argue a lot, and as adults be mature uncle/aunt figures to their children. Siblings are the foundation of a strong outer-family unit, which gives your bloodline an increased longevity and ensures the values you were raised with live on. This doesn't work if a brother and sister are romantically involved, as the dynamic is no longer that of siblings, but that of a fwb-type situation. And quite simply, would you allow your children to have an ex-fwb raise them and look after them like a surrogate mother figure, regardless of how close you guys were growing up?
It's the same reason why fwbs don't work, neither. Sex marrs a relationship. Once sex is involved that's how the dynamic of that relationship will be going forward. You can't be best friends with someone if you've had sex with them because after the first time they have assumed the postion of sexual partner.

For a while I had a fascination with reading a few supposed confessions by real people and their incestuous encouters. What I found curiously common and often the most authentic was the scenario of fathers and daughters who following the traumatic event of a divorce or the death of the mother got together, sometimes forming an entirely new family unit.
Frankly after the 10th or 20th time reading some woman (usually a single child herself although others I think were older sisters who took on a motherly role for their younger siblings) happily explaining how her and her father got together following the untimely death her mother and are now on their 4th or 5th child I really started to wonder what the hell was going on?

Can you suggest any literature dealing with this phenomena?

>>24551473


Holy shit, fuck the spam filter.
I quite litterally post any other links of any kind no matter how I try to format them.

>>24551473
>>24551512
It causes psyclogical harm in both the short and long term.
psychologytoday (dot) c o m / us / blog / animals-and-us / 201210 / the - problem - with -incest
Is tramatizing and causes CPTSD
psychologytoday (dot) c o m / us / blog / somatic-psychology / 201302 / trauma - incest
And those psychological harms are very hard to treat
psychiatrictimes (dot) c o m / view / ramifications - incest
Has genetic ramifications
cptsdfoundation (dot) o r g / 2022 / 04 / 18 / incest - and - genetic - disorders
And even covert incest causes lasting harm
thedawnrehab (dot) c o m / blog / the - damage-caused - by - covert - incest

>>24551514
just share the links in some sort of pastebin?

>>24551522
no.

>>24551489
>to their children
That's an assumption.

>>24551489
Honestly this whole problem can only exist because of the feminism and premarital sex psyop forced on society.

I stll have questions about the roman era census records from egypt of sibling marriage. But from my reading of those a few researchers highlighted their tended to be larger age gaps between them which implies a quite different social dynamic compared to close in age siblings.

>>24551514
> The Problem With Incest: Evolution, morality, and the politics of abortion.
Irrelevant to the discussion.
>Trauma: Incest
Again, does not talk about consensual incest.
>Ramifications of Incest
>Incest is considered abusive when the individuals involved are discrepant in age, power, and experience. The argument that a younger person may have desired, sought, or given consent is irrelevant.
>Proximity in age need not bring with it equality of power, knowledge, and sophistication.
Way to dismiss the point with loaded statements.
>incest and genetic disorders
Irrelevant to the discussion. How does it impact the family?
>Covert incest, also known as emotional incest, is a specific type of emotional abuse in which a parent relies on a child for emotional support, affirmation, and care that should be provided by a spouse.
Irrelevant to the discussion. Does not talk about consensual brother-sister incest.

Why are you randomly pasting irrelevant links?

>>24551597
The point of familes is to continue the family tradition. By assuming an anti-family view (i.e. the point of siblings isn't to later provide a safety net and establish an outer-family unit for your own children) answers the question as to why incest is bad for the family dynamic. You can only conceptualise the short term, when family relationships change and adapt to the long-term. As an adult, you are very unlikely to treat your sister the way you did as teens and children. By having consensual sex as teens with your sister effectively stagnates the long-term development
>>24551609
>implies a quite different social dynamic compared to close in age siblings.
This is worth considering. As the other anon earlier stated, siblings existing outside the household like cousins or estranged siblings will exist outside of each others' inner family units, therefore (apart from the obvious defects) it won't be as damaging to the family. For example, Lord Byron wasn't raised with his sister therefore the affair he had with her likely didn't compromise the family much outside of reputational damage. But incest as we understand nowadays tends to imply within a household. Hence why people will claim a step-father having an affair with his step-daughter is considered incest; or adopted siblings who have been raised together is considered incest. The acts themselves aren't physically incestous but it promotes a kind of cultural incest which tears at the fabric of the established family unit. .

>>24551649
You're making a lot of assumptions here.
But even if I take your opinions as facts, what if there are three siblings and two of them are in a relationship?
>By having consensual sex as teens with your sister effectively stagnates the long-term development
Proofs?

>>24551613
All of it is highly relevant to discussion as it proofs incest overwhelmingly has highly negative effects on those involved.

Your off hand dismissing everything by moving goal post to only things that exactly fit your worldview doesn't make a rational argument.

Even if you think about it using reason rather than the overwhelming evidence, you would be able to see how such things would cause massive issues in the family.
Regardless, I provided tons of evedence, you provided nothing in your rebuttle but dismissal.
You asked why I think incest is harmful in real life.
I showed you why.

>>24551689
You haven't given any evidence regarding brother-sister incest.
>I showed you why.
You didn't.

>>24551694
You haven't provided anything at all.

>>24551705
You're the one claiming it's bad for family, not me.

>>24551713
You asked why I think something.
I told you.
You have zero counterargument. Only a unsupported statement of your disbelief.

You are the one making a counter claim that it's not bad for family.
Provide your evidence for your counter argument.
You can't because you have none.
It is as simple as that.

>>24551722
You believe brother-sister incest is bad because parent-child incest breaks families?

>>24551724
Is this your way of saying you indeed don't have a counterargument?

>>24551736
Counterargument for what? You haven't given any argument.

There's a lot of porn-fried gooners in this thread who have clearly mistaken their pornographic fantasy for real world logic. And I thought I was messed up.

>>24551738
You are the one with no argument.

I have not only made a argument (incest is bad) but supported it with evidence(links provides above).
You got nothing. I got everything.
Good day.

>>24551757
>incest is bad
One type of incest, which was irrelevant to my question.

>>24551761
Make a argument and support it with evidence or fuck off.

>>24551770
You first. You're the one claiming it's bad.

>>24551774
Already did.
Now fuck off.

>>24551777
Where?

>>24551779
I don't really care where you fuck off to.
Not my problem.

>>24551781
I think you can't follow conversations. No wonder you think you made arguments by talking about a completely different subject.

>>24520851 (OP)
Read all the books mentioned here.
https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s12119-016-9386-6.pdf

>>24551740
we're talking about romantic relationships, sure they usually include sex, but that doesn't have to be the case. It's sad that you view it as a fetish

>>24541787
Have you read Helgason's papers based on Icelandic birth and marriage records?

>>24520851 (OP)
It's weird how many peoples talk about incest now on internet so freely. Why do (((they))) push this idea with pornography and others media ?

>>24552306
Incest was always a popular undecurrent. The media constantly pushes "step" incest not actual incest. their purpose with that I've heard is to normalise fractured familys instead of marriages that actually last.

Their may be an element of familial subversion but I think the step threat is actually much more unnerving

>>24521084
wasnt there a murakami novel with this theme?

>>24520851 (OP)
A Game of Thrones (Brother-Sister incest is the main driving force of the plot)
A Clash of Kings (Brother-Sister 2nd Base & teasing)
A Storm of Swords (Almost accidental brother-sister)

To no one’s surprise

>>24520851 (OP)
None. Incest isn't real. The State has imposed top-down a system of propaganda to convince you that sex is the biological mechanism of pregnancy and reproduction--it isn't. Women actually get pregnant when they immerse themselves in open water unattended. This propagandized version of childbirth as a result of sex was engineered to create functional economic units (families) to prevent men from forming discrete communities and engaging in war, which is their only actual function. By harnessing male power through atomization and attachment to females, the male drive may be turned to productive enterprise.

Incest is not even possible, because it presupposes sexuality as serving a purpose beyond social bonding.

Originally incest meant something like unchaste, it described a list of forbidden relationships not limited to family members.

>>24550728
Fiction is the realm of peak intensity though. The pinnacle of human experience, the true ideal, can be explored in fiction where the reality may be impossible to achieve. In other words, a man can dream.

I will make no attempt to make it happen but I fantasize about having a romantic relationship with my sister. She's the only girl I've ever really connected with. She's cute and very short and very smart and I never feel like I have to put on an act in front of her. The moments when I get home to visit and give her a hug and then hug her at the airport before I leave again are the highlights of my year. I will never act on my desires and never hint at them because if she didn't see me the same way the relationship I have with her now would be destroyed. I will keep my fantasies safely locked away and wish for her happiness and when she meets a nice guy and starts a family I will be happy for her even if it might sting just a little on the inside.

>>24551489
One generation of incest has only slightly elevated risk, even with brother/sister. Like all of the true luxuries in life, they are sweet precisely because they are reserved for the rare few and cannot be common place. Again, I maintain that, with the exact correct circumstances, it is the peak form of romance, the peak relationship, a family foundation stronger and more robust than any other. If you also throw in the brother/sister twin dynamic, it becomes outright mythic in it's power and the rapture that it engenders in those who merely contemplate it.

>>24533616
OHB?

>>24551740
I feel like some people here straight up don't have a concept of valuing relationships in a platonic way and thus don't understand how can sex make anything worse

>>24520851 (OP)
Le Morte Darthur

>>24554307
I feel like you don't understand the concept that something that might make a relationship worse for you might not make it worse for someone else.

>>24554263
Very true.

>>24554307
>concept of valuing relationships in a platonic way and thus don't understand how can sex make anything worse
I was going to make this point but realised the gooners in this thread were incolsolable on the issue so I didn't bother. But this spells it out exactly: when you have a good female friend and begin having sex with her, the relationship is fulfilling in the short-term (sexually) but from that point onwards your whole relationship will revolve around that short-term pleasure. The ways in which your friendship could have developed has become stagnated as the only way your relationship will develop from now on is sexually. Of course, there is the possibility of falling in love and getting married, but that is a new dynamic that has been birthed (and I refuse to believe this romantic fantasy is common in a post-1960s world where sex is treated as something casual, but still). A romantic relationship between siblings means their relationship as siblings has died and been replaced with a romantic relationship. Therefore that's how consensual sex between two siblings damages the family unit, because it completely removes the sibgling dynamic.
Sure, some anon may argue that a lot of modern day relationships show signs of cultural incest (women going for men who remind them of their father figures, for example) but the way you treat your sister is completely different to how you treat your lover, no matter how close you are or how much you love one another, because the social dynamics are completely different, and it's borderline perverse to play around with these established dynamics in order to fulfil your short term desires.
And this is also the reason why most gay men haven't got close male friendships, because they are too busy hedonistically putting their cock up any man's arsehole that there's no time for a sincere, emotionally strong male friendship to arise. Sex staganates the development of any kind of higher relationship outside of romantic ones.

>>24554269
I wish you were my brother

>>24551489
>You can't be best friends with someone if you've had sex with them
that's just stupid, of course you can go back to being friends.

>>24554768
okay you're just straight up retarded holy shit.

>>24554855
Something tells me you've never had sex outside of a discord trannie rp session. Kys.

>>24522179
Never read Nabo, should I start with this or his other book?

>>24554984
idk are you a pedo?

>>24554263
Sibling intimacy seems about the peak of the k type strategy where high infant investment is required, it makes sense that a brother would be the most committed partner and most willing to stick around to raise the children that are 75% his genes.
I wondered at one point if the incestuous fixation is a natural rebellion against the increasing unrelatedness of those around us, A reproductive driver emphasising those just most similar to your own because the potential mating options are increasing uninviting and incompatible.

>>24521084
In Praise of the Stepmother

>>24554307
>valuing relationships in a platonic way
That's a cope for the sentimentally indequate though. And familial affection is not "platonic", it's concrete, fades over time, re-flourishes, dies. Only romantic love can be platonic and only when its subjects are inept, unrequited, and its result (sex) incomplete.

>>24526071
So after rome normalised laws across all its territories in I think the 2nd or 3rd century which included marriage laws and taboos. Prior to that local laws were permitted, which is why we have the census records.
I think the romans and greeks still permitted half sister marriage though one permitted paternal half sisters the other maternal half sisters.
There are some quite detailed threads on sibling marriage in the /his/ archives. though the proportion of the population engaging in it seems variable.
the best evidence from memory was arsinoe where it is estimated 42% of all men with a sister available to marry married a sister.
This practice must have been incredibly normalised. There are collections of written adjacent documents like wills and marriage invitations detailing these families.

>>24555872
>I think the romans and greeks still permitted half sister marriage though one permitted paternal half sisters the other maternal half sisters.
Greeks did, although there might have been variance between the various poleis. It's known for sure that Athens allowed marriage between paternal half-siblings but not uterine ones. Sparta supposedly allowed uterine half-siblings to marry but not paternal ones, but I've read speculation that this belief could originate from the ancient stereotype of Spartan contrarianism rather than actual laws.
Romans prohibited both full and half-siblings marriage with the exception of Egypt until the early 3rd century, where full-sibling marriages were widely practiced. Roman law originally didn't allow avuncular marriages either, but Claudius' marriage to his niece Agrippina forced the law to loosen. After that, a male Roman citizen could marry his niece, but only if she's his brother's daughter as the emperor had done.

>>24554984
His other work. Ada is Nabakov at the heights of his erudition and trickery. It is a very difficult book to read and understand especially if you don't train yourself on his previous works. It also heavily references some of his other works so it is more rewarding having read them.

>>24554855
>okay you're just straight up retarded holy shit.
>refuses to elaborate why
Yeah, KYS tranny.

Before this thread wraps it up, posting Nemlei best story itt

>>24555290
This is interesting, since, with the increased ability for people from distant parts of the world to travel, you would get increasingly diverse gene pools which, theoretically, could tolerate increased incest, balanced out by novel genetic material in the intervening generations.

>>24555290
>stick around to raise the children that are 75% his genes.
This is literally the mechanism which compels insect drones to stay with the colony rather than go off and start their own. The male drones share 75% genetic material with their sisters but would only share 50% with their offspring. Thus, they stay with the colony and assist in the production of more sisters.

>>24557831
>this is also the reason why most gay men haven't got close male friendships, because they are too busy hedonistically putting their cock up any man's arsehole

why did incest become synonymous with brother sister on here rather than mother/son father/daughter, the actually hot kinds of incest?

>>24559705
Because OP used a picture of Ashley.

>>24520851 (OP)
anias nin wrote about it, and from an insider perspective, too.

>>24555290
>I wondered at one point if the incestuous fixation is a natural rebellion against the increasing unrelatedness of those around us
I feel like that's an underrated driver behind how stepsister porn got so popular, it's one of the only "genres" where they depict some sort of emotional connection instead of reading a handful of lines and fucking like robots.

>>24522162
The Catholic and Orthodox churches used to teach that incest is really bad, but not as bad as sex with children or homosexuality or similar.

John Ford’s ‘Tis A Pity She’s A Whore was inspired by the real French siblings Marguerite and Julien de Ravelet.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julien_and_Marguerite_de_Ravalet

Aragorn and Arwen were first cousins, 50 generations removed. (Aragorn was descended from Elrond's mortal brother Elros.)

>>24560074
That's barely incest.