Why does Jordan Peterson receive so much criticism, even though he seems insightful and sophisticated? Is /lit/ too retarded to understand him?

>>24524370 (OP)
maybe they are jealous

do we really need a third peterson thread

>>24524372
teenage girl argument

>>24524378
most viral marketers get paid by the thread so ya my man gotta eat

That the autists stimming themselves by repeating the same nonsensical vitriol about Peterson, thread after thread for year after year, are pathetic ideologues and resentful idiots. His best feature is that he gets them to out themselves as such.

>libtard /lit/
Seethes that Peterson turns them into reactionaries by pointing out their bullshit.
>pseud /lit/
Thinks cynically dunking on mass media meant for a general audience is a sign of intelligence.
>chud /lit/
Thinks he's part of a Jewish conspiracy preventing them from having sex.
>tranny /lit/
Thinks he's a "literal nazi."

>>24524383
>>chud /lit/
>Thinks he's part of a Jewish conspiracy preventing them from having sex.
He's part of the zionist establishment to create support for Israel. No one has ever mentioned sex but you made that up for a facile strawman.

>>24524389
>Delusional rationalization/disorganized thinking:
There are facts about the world. For example, that media manipulates people, Jews work in media, and psychologists study the mind. However, what a delusional person does is take such facts and use them to confirm a specific narrative (this is known as being selectively coherent). The elements of the narrative aren't actually proven by the facts but the delusional person (or ideologue) confuses their truth with the truth of their narrative. For example: Peterson is a psychologist (fact), associates with Jews (fact), and works in media (fact); therefore he is a skilled manipulator and part of a conspiracy headed by Jews. (This is the delusional rationalization part). The facts don't prove the narrative yet if you look you'll notice they are what is carrying the weight of the argument being made by people who mentally adhere to the narrative--if you deny the narrative these ideologues will confuse this with denying the facts. (That's the disordered thinking part).

Basically, the dangerous thing about paranoid narratives is that they have the appearance of being logically consistent within themselves and noticing the sleight of hand that takes place between the facts and the narrative isn't always easy to do. However, it's quite easy to see why certain narratives are simply absurd (e.g. looking at the advanced teachings of a cult versus those they use to hook people in).

Peterson isn't the crescendo of a multi-millenia conspiracy headed by a cabal of Jews who want you to not have sex. You haven't figured it all out and you aren't interpreting 5D chess. What you are doing is building a selectively coherent narrative based on truisms and confusing that they necessarily connect to your version of reality. If you find yourselves doing this seek professional help.

>>24524405
Im not reading all that tranny gibberish but Peterson sold his ass to Ben Shapiro.

>>24524405
Why does it always boil down to sex with you freaks

>>24524425
>>24524465
Touch grass, incel.

>>24524465
it's all they think about, they're sexual freaks.

>>24524405
He had dinner with Netanyahu and was cheerleading for murder against the Palestinians on twitter. He's an un-christian and unprofessional fraud.

>>24524571
>Canadian
Thats all you needed to say. Goof nation.

>>24524571
You don't care about Palestinians, lol.

>>24524370 (OP)
only midwits watch debates about atheism and christkeks, now imagine how stupid you have to be to actually engage in that regularly.

>>24524752
>t.

>>24524370 (OP)

>>24524722
what's that supposed to mean?

>>24524666
He's a whore. Pretty much admitted on twitter he's a Zionist shill for money.

lmao

>>24524370 (OP)
>even though he seems insightful and sophisticated?
>Self help podcaster
>insightful
>sophisticated

>>24524882
Exactly what it says.

>>24524370 (OP)
I’d be willing to give him a fair shot but to be totally honest there’s so much more I’d rather read. 500 pages of Peterson is not really on my list of priorities.

Personally, his recent internet appearances leave a bad taste in my mouth. He seems like he is at odds with everyone. The whole “X vs 20 Y” is tacky and stupid and I feel like most serious scholars would just prefer an open dialogue instead of yelling at some blue haired fag that doesn’t believe in logos. It’s carnival shit.

he gets shilled by his publicists everywhere so he receives a lot of attention of both types

>>24524988
So a lie.

>>24525034
You don't care about Palestinians and their pain/suffering as an excuse to spread hate.

>>24525034
You don't care about Palestinians and use their pain/suffering as an excuse to spread hate.

>>24525191
Uhh..............le based?

>>24525191
Why would anyone ever care about a muslim when neither muslim immigrants nor their children manage to integrate into and adapt to the cultural norms of their european countries of choice.
They're subhumans that collectively excuse or fail to speak out against violence commited in the name of their dogmatic, shit-stained book while simultaneously crying about being discriminated against.
All of this could even be salvaged if they didn't also have these horribly unsightly, crooked noses along with their annoying language that they speak everywhere, since they refuse to learn the language of the country they live in.
Every other sound they make sounds like they need to spit, which isn't surprising when you look at how many of these retards are addicted to their little hookah.

>>24524370 (OP)
Hes a contemporary figure who's popular in mainstream circles. Obviously you will find little discussion of whether he has any merit on /lit/, which has disdain for anything current or popular (with good reason, usually). This guy seems like a step toward something good, like you find Peterson as a teenager because your boomer dad watches videos of him debating people and then you get into reading actual philosophers from whom he gets all his ideas.

>>24524370 (OP)
because "seeming" insightful and sophisticated isnt as important as actually being insightful and sophisticated

>>24525442
>actually being insightful and sophisticated
Like you? Yeah right you twat.

>>24525637
like literally anyone else
this guy is a midwit, alex o connor destroyed him
even the cuck destiny dogged him

Cant take him seriously after zizek debate, sorry

>>24524370 (OP)
>even though he seems insightful and sophisticated
It's a midwit trap because it only seems insightful and sophisticated. And you feel for it.

>>24524370 (OP)
>What do you mean by "Why"
>What do you mean by "does"
>What do you mean by "Jordan Peterson"
>What do you mean by "receive"
>What do you mean by "so"
>What do you mean by "much"
>What do you mean by "criticism"
>What do you mean by "even"
>What do you mean by "though"
>What do you mean by "he"
>What do you mean by "seems"
>What do you mean by "insightful"
>What do you mean by "and"
>What do you mean by "sophisticated"
>What do you mean by "?"

>>24526423
kek

>>24525191
Peterson supports what's happening to them. I certainly care a lot more than he does. Whatever "hate" (the word faggots use to describe criticism) is spread against people like him is justified.

>>24525239
Talk to more people, and you'd realize you're wrong. Certain ethnicities from Islamic background are not assimilating, but other ones have done well assimilating (depending on the country).

>>24524370 (OP)
I've never read nor watched anything he's put out. I'm not interested in spending days or weeks going through Peterson's backlog. If you had to point to *one* or *two*, good pieces of writing or videos he's done, what would they be?

>>24524370 (OP)
> even though he seems insightful and sophisticated
Low IQ indicator.

>>24526523
Like which?
Can't be the turks, because those have been here the longest, yet their wives barely speak our national language and their children (76% in 2018) identify with their ethnic background along with having developed slurs for my people that aren't socially reprimanded because of ancestral guilt.
Most of the parents at least know how to behave, but the kids are revolting.
There are syrians I've met who have assimilated, but they're unrelated to my point as they're apostatic.
The third largest group are afghans, of which I only know one, who also is apostatic.
Statistically speaking, afghans, irakis and syrians outrank germans in in violent crime by a factor of 8 (+-.5), so this doesn't exactly speak for them.
I'd care less about individual assimilation if there weren't also the macro problem of them soft colonizing the country by proclaiming brain-damaged shit like christian holidays being discriminatory (consequences of this being that christmas celebrations are getting cancelled and replaced by giving them time for their practices in kindergartens, schools and other places to some extent), but it happens, so I have to care.
Ofc there are people from these countries that have more or less managed to assimilate, but they're scarce, outliers that defy the data.
The majority still clings to their own traditions, language and behavioural customs.
I've been in contact with many muslim or or culturally muslim people over the years and I like some of them, too, but this doesn't change their lacking integration.

>>24525191
>You don't care about Palestinians and their pain/suffering
Truest thing you've ever said

autism or masochism?

>>24524370 (OP)
> he seems insightful and sophisticated?

Because seeming insightful and sophisticated are different from actually being those things.
I don't think I've ever seen someone talk so much without actually saying anything as Jordan Peterson. He's like what if elevator music was a person. Also, he has that really whiny voice.

>>24527151
Iranians in the USA largely assimilated & contributed to the economy by becoming highly educated, even though they are treated like trash thanks to Jews, but I don't know much about the specifics of Europe. It also depends on the class and ethnic group. I know an influential Iranian neurosurgeon in Germany named Madjid Samii.
I don't view any Abrahamic tradition as philosophically tenable, but Mahayana, Advaita, and Daoism still have decent arguments. Some of them can meld well with German idealism too.

>>24524425
>>24524571

>-if you deny the narrative these ideologues will confuse this with denying the facts. (That's the disordered thinking part).

thanks for proving >>24524405 right

>>24527479
>>24524405
Pilpul. It's well established that Peterson is a massive Ziocuck.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/pw30czJI6Lcy

>>24527479
>>24527495
Lol

>>24527535
Kys, hasbara troll.

>>24527544
>>>/pol/

>>24527574

hyperlinked library of wisdom

>>24527582

>>24527535
desu should you really be making fun of other people's birth defects? you jews are one of the most inbred people on the planet, not really the epitome of genetic health

>>24527592
Sick and tired of you hasbara trolls flooding 4chan. Fuck off to reddit.

>>24527362
I think the american situation is vastly different because a large portion of americans persist on the value of patriotism, which could have led incoming arabs to incorporate and focus on this instead of the religious values that, I assume, few people in their vicinity shared and thus resulted to in a far more moderate version in comparison to the more extremist version visible in europe.
My only intercontinental, cultural bridge for that topic is my muslim american friend and although her parents are still more religiously driven than european christians (who've been culturally castrated), they don't come close to the radicalism of their counterparts over here.
I think europeans simply failed to provide expected behavioural models that arabs could orientate on, because of shame for the colonial history.
That and the sheer volume of immigrants with completely different cultural norms (regarding women, violence, pluralist opinions, etc) gave birth to microcosms of their native society within ours.
I am quite fond of persian history, so it sucks to see their people getting mistreated without good reason, but the perception of jews seems to keep going down globally, so that might improve the iranians' standing.
Class can definitely be a factor, but I made the prior points to shed light on the difference between muslim and non muslim immigrants, who share similar economic backgrounds, but adapt differently.
I'll look the neurosurgeon and the religious models I haven't heard of up, but I agree with your assessment of abrahamic religions and buddhism (I have a siddartha figure at home, although it's more for his values of clarity than to follow his teachings as a whole).
There's obvious problems that arise without the shared values that religion provides, but you can fix that later.
Anyways, best of luck in case the thread dies before I can answer next time. Was nice to meet ya

>>24524370 (OP)
Because Peterson lied about his drug addiction for years, and blamed his severe health problems on drinking apple juice once. Im not kidding.

>>24524370 (OP)
He's not that insightful. He just recycles common sense advice, and then whenever he is asked to define something, he is so vague or open to revision that he isn't actually saying anything.

>>24524383
>"World renown psychologist"
>Raises the most neurotic woman alive
kek

>>24524370 (OP)
There's a comment on the video with him debating twenty atheists that says, "Bro acts like he’s playing 4D chess but it’s actually Hungry Hungry Hippos and he’s just swallowing the pieces" and I think that about captures it. Maybe he was smart once or maybe he's smart sometimes, but if I had to guess whatever was going on with him and Benzo addiction or withdrawal fried him a bit.

>>24524370 (OP)
You can't ask that question without first asking what you mean by "understand", what you mean by "him", and what you mean by "retarded". You see, to be "retarded" is a problem on a magnitude that liberals AND conservatives are unwilling to face. They pretend you can look into the face God and lie. But you try that and see how well that works for you. "Retarded" is usually used as a slur, but didn't you know that Dostoyevsky considers it a super power? In the Brothers Karamazov, Alyosha is described as "retarded", but the reverence he shows for the fundamental nature of reality makes him smarter than all the other brothers. He turns away from the life of the Chaotic Mother and embraces the dominance hierarchy of the Lobster Father. This is why all women are chaotic and all men are orderly, by the way. Just look at how rats behave. In order to "understand", you have to sit on the edge of your bed, and think about your life. Wash your dick, but don't stroke it. Just do your balls if you the temptation is too much for you. Then get up and clean your room, and you'll understand the nature of God. (By God, I mean a hyper-specific definition of conscience, not what people think of when they describe their personal faith, so checkmate atheists. You don't understand what you reject since I get to make things up as I go along.)

>>24527992
If the game is actually Hungry Hungry Hippos then he is doing the right thing in swallowing them, unless it is meant that he is picking the pieces up and swallowing them himself, in which case he would be just as wrong doing that in 4d chess as in Hungry Hungry Hippos. This is altogether not very clever or funny. Boo

>>24528028
I laughed when I read it so you're wrong. I am the sole arbiter of what is funny, appointed by God himself (my conscience).

I just remembered this post I made one billion years ago when he was just starting to decline

>>24528036
REPENT

>clinical psychologist who spent decades personally helping hundreds of people severely afflicted by mental illness
>academic who published dozens of widely cited papers ranging in subjects varying from practical counseling, historical/philosophical roots of psychology, research paradigms in neurology...
>research scientist working on the operationalization of personality constructs as well as the neurobiological basis of addiction
>university professor who mentored dozens of grad students into academic, research, and counseling careers
>assisted in the development of software that increases the likelihood of at-risk students reaching graduation as a side project
>accidentally became internationally famous and ended up publishing 3 best selling books (so far) as well as organizing lectures in various countries throughout the world
inb4
>he's a drug addict tho!
>his office was messy once!
>er...you don't have a dad!
>er...wash your dick!
>his daughter is a slut!
>y-you're Jordan
>he likes the Jews!
>he's controlled opposition!
Still triggering trannies who don't like the truth, libtards who propagandize, racists he won't associate with, and pseuds who can't tell the difference between a media personality and real life

I wouldn't be surprised if JP were on 4chan sometimes

>>24528078
Whoa I just found a post from him ten hours ago in an /x/ thread. What are the odds.
>>40671086
It's almost as if this whole website is an AI generated dream made just for me.

>>24528109
>>>/x/40671086
Is this how you do it?

>>24524370 (OP)

>>24524389
Take a peek at /pol/.
Chuds' Nazi ideology revolves around who has sex sex and who hasn't, what races have sex and what races don't, and around how alternative sexualities (gays, furries, trans) are somehow the reason why white society is failing. The bigger boogeyman on /pol/ is brown men having sex with liberated white women, which is somehow masterminded by perverted Jews who want to abolish the white race through racemixing and alternative sexualities. A true Nazi chud is someone who has sex with a white woman and who makes sure that the women in his country stay away sexually from brown foreigners. There's an unhealthy obsession with pedophilia - Pizzagate and other ultra creative pedo fantasies - and an unhealthy obsession with female virginity.
So, yes, chud ideology is rooted deeply in sexual issues. Which may point to the Reichian insight between politics and sexuality being a correct one.
Like. literally, spend a day on /pol/, and you'll see how sexual and pornographic their imagination is. At this point I think the Internet right wing, as exemplified, by /pol/ is actually fighting against their own perversions projected onto others (advocated for age of consent at 12 seeing pedos in every swirl). I see this in real life, too. At least in Estonia. Where right wing stimulant abusing Estonians with sadistic and necropedophilic fantasies wrt to Russians that would make de Sade cock an eyebroe fear that Russia will attack them any day now. I've never met a Russian who hates Estonians with the same passion as Estonians hate Russians, even though, by all local accounts, Estonians were in a privileged spot through the entire USSR period. But that's talk for another day.
To sum up, chuds are obsessed with sex, are obsessed with perverted sex, and project their fantasies of perverted sex (violent blacks with white women, homosexual sex, pedophilia, ritual sex and murder of children) onto the supposed boogeymen who are, not surprisingly, and not that different from the previous eras, Africans and Orientals.

>>24529231
Don't forget them believing the Jew overlords created communism even though they also rule the capitalist world (????)

>>24529237
Jews are filthy Pigs

>>24524380
autism argument*
ftfy

>>24524984
he's sophisticated to the layman
he's like plato for retards

>>24524370 (OP) He was ball-less facing those atheists: "Oh, I'll not say I'm a Christian..." Imagine he saying that in front of Jesus.

>>24529815
He isn't baptized into the church he attends with his wife so he isn't "Christian" in terms of the label fedoras want to attach to him (this makes them frustrated and the best they can do is parrot the "what do you mean by" line to each other as if it isn't telling everyone outside their choir they're completely mindbroken, lol).

>>24524370 (OP)
nigga wasn't on the /lit/ sticky so I didn't give a flying fruitcake. Bases on your projectivism as takeaways after that OP own - and assumptionship you understand him - let that nigga keep rotting away.

>>24524370 (OP)
>sophisticated
Crying on television for a living is sophisticated?

>>24529675
>plato
sry, my bad anon, read that as "potato"- unironically

>>24524405
>What you are doing is building a selectively coherent narrative...
You give them too much credit, anon. They're being spoon-fed their idiosyncrasies today, and, anything that makes their butthole pucker the tiniest makes their NWO leaders turn them into blind reactionaries.

>>24524370 (OP)
He's not insightful or sophisticated, he's babbly and weepy. I liked him when he took a stance against pronoun bullshit back in the day but the more he appears in public the more he comes off as a ridiculous monkey
He completely humiliated himself at Jubilee with his passive-aggressive, effeminate behavior

>>24526523
Why do you people spread such blatant lies? My country has 3rd generation migrants from Somalia who don't speak our language and none of whom have ever worked a day in their lives. Like 40% of all sex offenses are committed by Afghanis even though they make up less thant per mille of the over all population
These people are not here to assimilate, they're here to leech off of us and reproduce until they have the majority and can replace us

>>24526848
These two, there's many videos because he repeated the topics each year. I'd just watch the later versions, maybe try one to give yourself an idea. There's no point in watching his online persona era of shit he put afterwards with podcasts and interviews: these lectures made him. Maybe his first 12 rules book is good, I checked a lot of it and liked it but it's not super profound stuff.

>>24530954
>They're being spoon-fed their idiosyncrasies today
this kek, they are all but given out a manual to think like that

>>24530973
The Personality and its Transformations videos are only the first half of the course.

>>24530973
Can't imagine being a student who pays tens of thousands of dollars a year in tuition to sit in a class and listen to his drivel for 2.5 hours a day.

>>24524370 (OP)
Based

Polo

>>24526423
checked and keked

>>24531563
>tens of thousands of dollars a year in tuition
In Canada tuition is only like $6500/year. That includes all associated fees.

>>24524370 (OP)
doesn't matter who the e-celeb is.
If they even lean towards being popular with what is called "alt right" audience?
They get a smear campaign and cancelled.
simple as that.

He's like a less educated version of Joseph Campbell who appeals to the normie masses through heaping globs of pop evo-psy.

All his most interesting ideas are shadows of those of Joseph Campbell, and Joseph Campbell stands in the shadow of Jung... and Jung's whole project is a misreading of Freud.

he's a massive faggot LARPing as an academic

>>24524370 (OP)
He’s just a run of the mill Jungian who was put in the public eye and decided to use his time blabbering on about nothing which is typical of Jungianism and its disciples. Eventually someone trolled him or Destiny or some other debatetard got hold of him and made him cry on camera and it’s been a wrap since then. Now he’s just another internet lowcow and people really only care about him inasmuch as they can make a fool out of him again because he espoused some ephemerally right wing ideals once and said that virgin guys shouldn’t be shot against the wall. As far as his academic work goes it’s pretty typically obscurantist Jungian bullshit with plenty of unnecessary teleology/borderline cosmology and blatantly heretical Christian mysticism with eastern characteristics strewn about for flavor. In short, he’s weird and the internet likes to make fun of weird people.

>>24524370 (OP)
>Is /lit/ too retarded to understand him?
lit is too retarded for anything other than reading X posts from the Groyper community

>>24532901
$6,500 CAD is still a lot for leafs.

>>24528067
You forgot:-
>he's a Jungian
>he's a neurotic
Take together, these form a damning indictment. Anyone who understands Jung will know how to integrate his unconscious, and thus avoid neurosis. Either Peterson hasn't understood Jung, or he simply doesn't practice what he preaches.